businesses, they are killed, murdered, and their houses and businesses are burned down. that's the reason my father them fascinated when he started talking about economic justice and how militarism was undermining the war on poverty is when he became a threat to our nation in a stablish status quote. so yes, you know, at the end of the day, i won't just say the united states of america, but i would say that there is a serious issue with black people across the world, whatever country he found it. and we've got to deal with that face to face. why is it that we've created the, the systems and structures, or should i say, why is it that people find the need to reduce other people in order for them to

feel significant and powerful? and to keep power to themselves. so that's something that we've been with in this world. that's what racism is. the belief that there are appear here in an area ration the people specifically the black people are inferior. and so we've got to confront bad head on and we're not going to back down and talking about white supremacy and the need for it to be dismantled and deconstructed. and the need for creating more equitable systems and structures, countries and outcome. we've talk about divide and rule on this show quite quite a bit. i, i going to tell you that i think the editor of the show might say that i think i had an argument many years ago with her, with ignorance, about the different legacy of malcolm x and martin luther king junior. and as you

just said, your father talked about militarism, and that may will be the reason that he was assassinated. where, where did this emerge? this idea that somehow you have to take a side between malcolm x or your father? well, i mean, it emerged in the movement. i mean, there were people who clearly felt like my father was more passive and malcolm was more aggressive and they made an issue of that. and you know that particularly generational typically occurred as my father get older, which really wasn't that only 39 when you fascinated but into the sixty's. when he started turning into asperity, there were 18 in college and everything didn't. you know, there was a very serious disappointment that there was not greater progress, especially on the economic front. and so, because math was more in the chicago,

people gravitated toward that message because he was speaking about, you know, self empowerment. and it was more appealing to that generation or young people. and so that's where some of the provide as well as the media with the to against the job. and there were things that were said by malcolm himself directly against non violence. and so people began to see them as polar opposite. and we all know that in 1960 map, with the meta said there was a turning around of how he saw the white race. because he saw people with blue, with white skin in meta worshipping along with 10. and so he began to change his perspective on why people in general and came back and,

you know, he and my father intersected briefly. i think that was 64 when with but briefly at the signing of the civil rights at. and so i think there was a fear that the 2 would begin to merge and know suddenly malcolm is gone. well, i don't think anyone has heard beyond vietnam in time to break the silence. anyone who could think that wasn't radical? did it, did it suit because i know you said that people perhaps don't remember your mum as, as much as they should. did it help your mother help campaign that people didn't know the vietnam speech as well? my mother was a piece advocate before she met my father and she was the main person. there were others, but she was the main person there. really encouraged him to speak out against the

war in vietnam publicly. she said, martin, you know, we may, jo, voice in the peace movement. we need your moral authority. and i think her, you know, trying to persuade him is what ultimately gave him the stress to do it because natalie was not courageous. but it was a risky step for him to take many plan betrayed him. many of those in the civil rights movement attacked him. you know, the firms eventually he started to dry up the organization that he was president. that was, you know, leading the movement and saw because of her, her passion and understanding of the power of his words and his speech. she she began and before he knew, fascinated looking for way to preserve papers because she felt future generations

needed to understand the work that they were involved in an understand his teaching . so ultimately, when he was fascinated, you know, she prayed and she felt that god was calling her to create the center. the martin junior, violet supposed to chase the foundation of it, where the came papers and she went around the world after the assassination, literally around the world. with her book to my life, martin became junior. she started in the world and came back to the united states of america because she wanted people to know the pure math is in the teaching of back to martin that became junior. and that began her crusade of developing what i call this some people call it the largest social change brand in the world. but the architect became began to become the architect of the

king legacy. and then she started, you know, talking to governors and mayors and commissioners here in the states about setting saw inside the king holiday. in january, his birthday is a holiday. so battle county got to 1983 when the holiday actions were finding law. they were already many states celebrating the king how they, many city celebrating the king holiday. because she, she made all the red killed, her whole life was about the work that they were doing. and she always felt that the word and the teachings of martin luther king junior, would be sensual for future generations in their quest to create a just you main equitable and peaceful world. and i think she did a tremendous job for one person to help obviously. but for one person who

violently love her husband and decided to turn all of that pay, you know, into partners. and that's why i comically we have martin with the king. you can read about pain, but we wouldn't be talking today. i really don't think we would because it was a part of her. it wasn't like, oh my, i lost my husband. what do i need to do now? it was ok. i lost my husband. we were partners in this work together. i have to continue moving forward and making sure that everything that we stood for and everything that he taught us and that he embody, continues in that. and that's what she did. i mean, some credit that vietnam speech with inspiring so many anti war activists and ending was, i don't know how many millions may have been saved. suddenly the exit from vietnam and from southeast asia. do you think many americans know about that?

and what do you feel about the fact that you're saying it was that speech? it was that entrance into talking about foreign policy that had your phone. i don't think it was just speaking against the war. i think it was tying it to economic that we had diverting font to take human lives rather than investing on to in rich and live people because president johnson called a war on poverty. but nothing was happening. you know. and so here you have the black soldier going fighting side by side for the freedom of america, but they come back home and then they go to segregated community. so he started identifying these inconsistency and then became problematic for this for this mission and the power structure. is it problematic now to make those connections? oh yeah. i mean, if you make those kind of connection, sometimes people think you're not patriarch, you know,

and very few people make those connections. but when you look at it today beyond war, let's talk about what's happening, you know, across the world. and in particular, what has been highlighted in animation with police brutality, you know, many of all police forces had to come military. when you look at the way that they, you know, are coming into the street, the face of protest, it's lack of warranty. and in many instances, there are people progress and they've had the faith, militaristic officer. and so, you know, people are talking about it more, but i think what people are not doing is say, look, i'm the terry industrial complex is find it somewhere at about 50 to 6 more protected out. and we only spend about to strip on health care

to say it's own health and wellness to maybe 2 or less on education. and so we've got to deal with this issue in our country because we have become more we become more focused on might then more morality. and that's what my dad was talking about, that america needed to repeat and needed to begin to really have a revolution of value. that people need to be at the center and not saying because oftentimes what the wars are about in the day when you pull back the curtain, it is about power control and resort. and that's what got him in trouble bernice king. we're going to have to take a break that more from the ceo of the minute the king, judy said if an oven and social change after this break

ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk me an entire village in alaska has had to move. if another country threaten the wipe out in america, we do everything in our part a project in what and a escaping climate change is the same threat right now. alaska has seen some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world. we lost about 3535 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we

were measuring it is bad and that means the river is $35.00 pounds. then learning was year before, i think we're part of america. the 3rd from or america i. i met my local bank and they wanted me to get me up now because you guys are going to the the or up in the kitchen reaches out tomorrow. i think i might get put on the show that the lady for the

meeting, the brittany lackey. done this with the young lady by little by now by and then because you guys are not getting what i need to do the i don't know. i mean there are some steps in there were rescuing the food that they were not scabbing or where were rescuing resources that are still good. this is best by

march 21st which is in 2 days. all these potatoes, holiday, daniels, onions. all of these came from waste brown sources. this is great for me because i'm always looking for a way to give things away. doctor, because the tax laws, you know, definitely do benefit the wealthier people and our society. so it makes sense for them to throw it out right off, rather than give it to somebody who could use it. and then that person is not going to buy it. the welcome back. i'm still here with the daughter of the late reverend doctor, much into the king junior, bernice king 100 years since and tulsa res massacre. new liberal is when i say view . things have changed a lot since for days, of course, and the days of your father's struggles after all,

derrick drove in the police officer has been convicted for killing george floyd. i understand that he's now file the court submission, asking for probation, saying he's just the product of a broken system. he could be an asset to the community. what do you make of that submission of the prosecution or of course demanding? $3030.00 a love. every attorney and going to represent the flying. so i'm not upset with him. it's unrealistic. i do not think the bidding judge is going to give him back. so i'm not going to even give it any energy because you know, it doesn't deserve it. he deserves to get the highest possible because, you know, he, he took a human life and he did it so you know, cynically and with, without any sense of remorse at all. and so, you know,

he's one person meaning just because he was convicted and whatever. so much he's going to get a system like this has been happening over and over again. they recorded that are coming forward even before the majority board and things that are happening right after yours, lord. so we're dealing with the fact that yes, things have changed. now going to say that all my life, i think jane, of course things have changed. you know, we've seen a large influx of, of black leg is official. there are many african americans who are now part of the middle class and a few that are wealthy. there are people who can, you know, forge genuine, is friendship across race. when that was their dangerous back, especially in the south, back in the fifty's and 60, you know,

they're more black americans going to college and, and things of that nature. but at the end of the day, as my father said, the true challenge now that he will speak in the 1965 that the both right, that is working toward genuine equality. and that's where people begin to cower. that's where people begin to bow out. that's what, again, you know, making excuses and that's what we're facing now. as a nation, people do not want to pay the ultimate price to do away with racial equity. and yet we're going to have to face that and we're going to have to pay the price and make the sacrifice in this nation. and until the majority of white america is truly committed to the dismantling of racism, which is called continue in the struggle. in fact, we're not going to accept systems and struggle trust structures and practices and

policies that continue to show outcome where black at the bottom. and this can be, i want to get to the goal for reparations. in the work of the be love campaign in a 2nd, but it was another thing that is change. so certain liberals say is that there was black people in positions of power and they have been in recent years. who, what is your father? i mean, when he said at the time back it back, then he said the majority of black political leaders do not send to prominence on the shoulders of mass support most selected by white elevated by whites. is that error over or are there still people in positions of a degree of power who aren't living up to the values of martin luther king junior? we call that tokenism ensuring that there's one person that represent

a particular group that com minority. so that's token is and some of that feel the case in this nation. in many regard, when we look at our corporate board, when, when we look at the ceo of fortune 500 company, ill white majority, white male, and still this kind of beer, opening the door and, and ensuring that other people are elevated so that there's equity. we have a long way to now, you know, i just think there is a great fear of being replace and be displayed by white males in american. i think that's why we have a lot of backlash in this country. ria responsibility though, i'm going to say to make sure that as we look at

a new way forward that we don't create the same outcome and results and as have been previous has been period where now you created the same effect. but now white male, i left out and left by, we can't do that, we have to create a, a beloved community where all people and the talents are respected and regard. and there is, there is equity. there is fairness, there is sharing all of those kind of thing. and so, you know, but again, it's not going to happen until we change our values. and my heart was very prophetic when, when he encouraged 67 in his book, where do we go from there? chaos, a community that we much rapidly began the shift or my thing oriented society to

a person sort of society as part of the revolution about. and he also said we must begin to shift that loyalty from being sectional. or in other words, from being group oriented from being, you know, aligned and only loyal to your, you know, the group that you identify with. whether that be from a national nation standpoint, whether there be from a racial stamp, one or religious standpoint, to becoming more ecumenical, that there must be an old variety, a loyalty to humanity. and until we have that value system where that's at the front of our mind when we implemented policy, when we are putting in place practices, when we are engaging each other, i think with them with the same outcome which is black is going to continue to be at the bottom, brian and well, and we'll just make

a little incremental span. i think he said the tranquilizing drug. gradualism is how we put up, but americans and people in britain actually were about to have a photo. id. voter law may be coming here and it's, and your foundation obviously, is committed to no violence. how can you think of the democratic change if voters suppression, which is what's been allege in the united states and even here seems to be gathering momentum. yeah, that's the backlash problem about anytime there's a step forward, there's always this backlash to push you to step back. and so the momentum is that we have to continue to push for we had to continue to organize. we had to continue to mobilize, we had to continue to strategize. that's what daddy and them did. i mean,

when they went through the montgomery moving the badge that back they had pushed back, but they had the re, gabby failed. and i think the challenge we have here in this mission is the people of good will at the find the way to coordinate and collaborate and move together in the syncopated way to deal with the both the suppression issues. i try to get into all of the different issues around, you know, sunday voting, you know, ballad box, etc. those are all important. but the most egregious part of the pieces of legislation are the provisions that allow the governor and even the state legislatures to come in and remove local election cords from power. and they make decisions, which means they can go in and overturn elections. that band us. no matter what party you a part of because it can create some in the order you can create,

you know, you know, can fraud and all kinds of stuff. and so that's what we have to be concerned about . and that's why so many losses have been filed against many of these pieces of legislation and why it's important that we focus all of adkins and non getting this . federal legislation passed. john lewis, voter advancement act and the, the for the people in caught in the senate. now. so many people calling for our president now vice president comma are taking on their responsibility at his request to, to, to in the syllabus. because this is the heart and soul of democracy voting international. and now they have controversial histories, of course, as a former prosecutor and massive conservation. just finally, i mean, you're calling for reparations and their culture,

reparations from colonial former colonial powers here in western europe for what government have done to people of color over over centuries. i mean, do you think that reflects what your father said about the crucial dimension of economics? i mean, he said that in the much for jobs, he said, abraham lincoln read call marks. and he quoted ok, see in babylon, ruder famous communist poets is economics crucial to all of this? and how successful have you been in this call for reparations? yes, the struggle. i mean there are many people calling for. we know we had people testifying on capitol hill for my dad actually said, if you've done something against the people at that time for 100 years, then you must turn around and do something for those 2. and so i just made him

though he didn't directly you going reparations. he would say that there has to be a form of reparation. it didn't cost anything to desegregate in cost di and yet there is a great debt that is owed, as indicated in his i have a dream speak to the black community for the years of exploitation about labor. and, you know, frankly, rick, weighing in the main ways of getting labor and here and gaining well in this nation who, slavery and then everything we talked about. we, you know, we can, you know, going about our business, and then you still trying to assure you. and take things from us and we're not doing anything. and so there is a debt and when you have debt or no balance sheet, you have to clear it up. and it's time for, you know, nations of the world where this kind of exploitation has taken play to clear up the

debt to go. and i mean those december of those who were explored and marginalized, she'll treat it in humanely in this world. police king, thank you. thank you. the show will be back on monday for more detail on the financing declarations of the leak from the us funded lab in china may be responsible for getting millions of people around the world in the past 12 months until then can be done by social media. tell us if you think job i can live up to the dream. the martin luther king had for america. ah ah. when our show seemed wrong, when all just don't the rules. yes to fill out the thing because the after an engagement,

it was the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground the we're segregated all along my social class. a lot of people don't want to convert by 1st name. if you're born in to a 4 family, you're born into a minority family. if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your lives, chances people die on average. 15 years old, you born in the generational poverty, it's a, it's a fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your family. me

the ah, the headlines and i'll tell you the international economic form and some pages comes to an end key speakers have included platinum it when i'm plans to develop a vaccine tourism industry. when you told us we are just covering our own needs, we can also provide foreign citizens with the child to come to russia and get infect, snaked it here. i would like to of the government to analyze all aspects of this issue. by the end of the month, 13 people go on trial in france, the cyber stalking, in death threats against teenager who felt it. islam, writing debate about freedom, the speech in the country. and iraq have brewing between the u. k. in france, about the number of illegal migrants attempting to cross the channel into britain with u. k. coding for thought and seeking to be sent back.