your exxon? well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the koran virus because this is something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona virus pandemic. but putting present bolts in all right. aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with, with 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary, and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem, i do, but i feel the problem with listed our president does not respect science or medicine. you know, those who understand the meaning. and civility of the cove at 19 pandemic,

paid for president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus, that he does not believe in isolation or, and wearing masks. and you know, mike and i won't be the common for my you will. if you come back to him, it doesn't matter where the one person dies, all 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths. so for me to be fit for because of his disrespect for science, i think our president is almost genocidal because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its mis guidance. not to why we can, we can all see that for killing my battery about the authority. he does not believe in need to humanize the government, you know, for the pin or not he did not define protocols. he woke up there, he did not gather scientist or state and governors foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic governor that is concerned with the people who would have made

president wil you never mean towards talking about present vol from arrow and i'm sure you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still, harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in him that so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed their view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic, then they have to face judy to do, who is the 15th? i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls either point because both scenario has been dropping deeply in the post with the vendor. when they asked respondents whether they approve of the government and many times they present only be says all excellent or good and regular. i mean to what a lot of what you,

when they ask if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in a given. don't be know, pull the keys. don't have afraid gargoyle scenario is experiencing his worst moment . okay. you how affordable for an adult current polls confirm that i would beat him in the elections, both in the 1st round and in the runa, any brazilian people behave according to the information they receive. was a patient or many right wing people in brazil doing both scenario gathered around him, members of local militia groups, people who are fascist. a few stuff. people who are in favor of military dictatorships and for the family. who are nazis or there's only 2 very familiar that many former military officials, if you've been poor, but he does have supporters, which maybe 25 or 35 percent preferred to 65 or 75 percent are still against him. be prepared when that is why i'm sure the democracy will,

will be felt their democracy will win the elections. i 2022 voice in the future voice. now speaking about october 2022. you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you provided enough him to expect your ron for the presidency commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't. how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003 when you secure your 1st presidential term permit, you do to kill no. you don't put 5 bucks on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections. probably because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021 will have been going to be seen up to the home battery and we're asking some vaccine for the population or safety board,

because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal vaccine insecurity, luggage for very weird amounting emergency aid for the population. but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i gather noise. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote, and it has returned very strongly in the country who will be the 1st. we must recover that brazilian peoples quality of life of health and well being. we started all the full, we can think about 2022 boys. as he sat, brazil has the world stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead, and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian maid vaccine, split need be siding, inherent risk series facts. even though internationally split me is recognized as

one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics in that decision? but ill tell you, we can do it if i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including sputnik v, d. i actually had conversations with carol demetrius who is responsible for the fun which sponsors vaccine production and russia. bill for the good public household of athena wilson. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius. besides the former president of indian visa and governors of the p t party. what do you do your to go, but including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders released for a truck. so we did, we found the seems to be a problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil,

yuki or if you already have any people as suspicious that former president from recommended proven there is documentary evidence of it for the president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine or in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solve the vaccination problem a long time ago. kelly, stop me, go over the president does not take any measures. the truth is that he is under pressure and i cannot approve it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connect to be rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the

conversation between present balls and our present trumpet. it was already under president by then the us department of health and human services in its annual report in march of 2021 boasted about having used its diplomatic muscle to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian cove at $900.00 vaccine, which it described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in that country's interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal in brazil to come to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the pooper julio?

the brazilian people certainly want the rush of vaccine for going good afternoon. i feel the national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil for they have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit all necessary documentation because people in brazil, if many to vaccines and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't have a few, that yet seems to me of honor that the vaccine is about phil could not make interests. i'm. it is an idea, logical war. but after this, let us defend the american companies and the u. k. defenders, the british companies what there's all them in stock. but brazil does not need to worry about defending the new leave. the defense needs to worry about the health of

the 2 big needs to worry about the health of it. 250000000 inhabitants. i will be very, there's l, you must buy the american vaccine view and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing the interests of health of brazilians. that must be championed by the brazilian government and not the u. s. government ref i will do the over the year. by the way, in the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent 40 stated this in several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. the maya. but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world be vaccinated who bought them to be feeling well in that. and i have been a lot of talk about solar direct and equitable access to vaccines in the very

beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove, everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest country. that's 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines than they actually need it needed. and they continue forward to affording those vaccines rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of lydia ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only carrying about their own political considerations. or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that we need to bring down this objection at a sovereign countries. you will have to go by. if you forget that brazil is not

against the u. s. w, the visual, but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by 55, president putin also says he wants good relations with the us. boy, law firm that wants to be a handshake, get him if he wants to have a good relations with all countries stand up. when i compare to, however, the us once a world in which day the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be a beacon for the globe here to hide all the world. doesn't do no, no, because then you'll have all the old well, you know, want all countries to be fraternal on you to develop partnerships the property, brazil must be a sovereign country. will be about just like russia, china and the us you will be stopped. we don't want a shooter, we don't need

a to to know from the book. you feel free to or for, you know, that's why i've defended a change in global governance. and we must change the un security council who i sure do we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948. and i think we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, the b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us. so the, the remote people and segments participating here. but also eliminate visa, right? because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the foreboding, they will come, come here to fight my father. the.

ah, are i the i the we're segregated all along my social class. most people don't want to convert by 1st. if you're born in to

a 4 family, you're born into a minority family. if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your lives, chances people die on average. 15 years old, you born into generational poverty, it's a, it's a fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your family. me. the is your media reflection of reality. in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? type relation, community you going the right way? where are you being somewhere? which direction?

what is true, what is faith in the world corrupted, you need to defend the join us in the depths. will remain in the shallows use in the me or i you mentioned 15000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power and hand, giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now as bigger it's bigger than it was back in early 2, thousands. my or the abroad? it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003,

the press in brazil was bankrupt view and that i would have many problems in recovering the country that over of, you know, if we did recover brazil condo and they show up when i left the government me, economy was growing up to 7 percent a year when you brazil did not have any reserves. when i took office in 2003, 3, and we had $170000000000.00 in international reserves. when i left, the telephone now could shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult to me exactly because of this i will be able to fix brazil out of your pocket. during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil. because you know, i v deal with color. but because of the conferences on culture, on health, how would you conser curity on indigenous people will be black. people will be

naval, there was 64 conferences quite to and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and left. it's 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty. we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level to manager. it though one will feel awful. this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by pick up when you ask the people, if you will read and the people help you by participating, it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and i hope that we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride really, being brazilian, who the favorite of a little while we are on the issue of employment. i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as a shoe shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life mill?

well, yes, i did. indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well we are nobody fuck. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with them sausage and a soda. it went there was that was what i had for lunch. do you meet the theater because you had to buy even appreciated, shining shoes and my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food? my mother spare? yes. him. i would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better and will be another. that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe. well, leticia lack of causes, commitment. will it go, mike oliver? since i don't have any personal commitments before i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over time to improve their lives. by february,

you know, by the month brazil cannot go on lagging behind in the 21st century. nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population united for they love music and dancing the moon. we love to work the phone and respect about yeah, it will be worth the this is the country i want to see coming back. go go vote, but that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. many of the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with the american influences. wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you in this is reveals post true v the united states. and there's

a problem. i did not accuse the us problem. we have proof. most people, we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice. but i mean, it would be 50 for books and from prosecutors working tested brazilian companies to condemn me. a little bit of you know, funding for docs. i don't really show deep down economy to be what was it? that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd. tried to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery and the 21st century could get into some cells . no, no my would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs? maybe boys on december, the 10th 2000 to 2. i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office. the bush was terrified. she wanted to end terrorism, get him to get into and he needed to invade iraq. you know,

yet up if you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war, but a cuba hold president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bow she could, i didn't help know saddam hussein me boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. pick up those review killed. iraq had never done anything against brazil. glenda, my walk is not against the iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by default, the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else mpg economically. milk is wrong. americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have the question for you to prevent you both. we want to be brothers and sisters show you our vote. so that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years

is very important to career, but we must not be dominated. i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government, well, this is how we will deal with the us. but present, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own pass and development? because as you pointed out in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated latin america as if it were that own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over and say, oh no, it's not up to the us. me to allow us to do them with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's

a pretty good deal. i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina, christina kitchen argentina, job michelle butler in chile, water, rafael, career in ecuador, and evil morales in bolivia. america before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the cosa while and expelled the t. a lack as we created in a sore. and silicon view and we created the bricks. why organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries, families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty. and international protagonist, proven would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard . i will problem. the problem is that you might brazil has a ruling class, an elite you that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission

from the us. government. as i told you with a start, i have a diversity back to the us and for the american people paper bill of america will be billable when they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china. don't be noise so that we can be sovereign in a multi polar world warfare with peace and come paula. many books and very little weapon, call you back with a lot of culture and little violence. talk about it. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you're had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other

president in brazil despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the book that you had to pass on when you were working kid or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read ill always for a long time, i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to quote on my choke that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition corporate winner and government know very little, you know, bring, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education. with that, i learned a lot my view up and you moved and i became what i am through my struggles in life . up in the week. of course, not part of if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at

noon 2 pm, but you know what? i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do. in pittsburgh, i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat i car by bus or so i learned a lot by talk when i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things i don't know. i can and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, a present always been great, great on i talking to you. thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center, and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was apart from me,

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