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the me i welcome to all the parts hard times, always bring out the bass and the worse than people and their governments. i mean, this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individual countries and the world as a whole. rewarding. those who practiced and punishing those who only preached but is a potent or carrying up to put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville live the silver mister president is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us. it's my pleasure, exxon. and. well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the koran virus because this is

something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona virus pandemic, but putting present bolton, all right aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with, with 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem, i do, but i feel the problem with brazil that our president does not receive back science or medicine. you know, those who understand the meaning and severity of the cove at 19 pandemic, paid for the president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as

a way of fighting against the corona virus. of course, he does not believe in isolation or, and wearing masks, and you know, my and i won't be the common for my you will feel, come back to him. it doesn't matter where the one person dies. 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths so far to be fair because of his disrespect for science. i think our president is almost genocidal trouble. because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its mis guidance due to not to why the can. we cannot see that for you about the authority. he does not believe in need to humanize the government, you know, for the pin or not. he did not define protocols. he woke either he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people would have made you a president. you never means words had talking about pres, involved from arrow,

and i'm sure you, me, you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating still. harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in him that so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic? then they have to face new judy to do who is the 15th? i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls either point because both scenario has been dropping deeply in the post with the video when they ask respondents whether they approve the government. many times they present only the arm says all excellent and oil good and regular. i mean, what would you be when they ask if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in 15. don't be no pull that you still have afraid that boil scenario is

experiencing his worst moment. okay, you have the ability for the both on adult current polls confirm that i would beat him in the elections in the 1st round. and in the runoff, brazilian people behave according to the information they receive was a patient or in many right wing people in brazil doing both scenarios gathered around him, members of local militia groups for people who are fascist. a few people who are in favor of military dictatorships, people who are nazis. what is that we do have a really bad many former military officials if it's poor, but he does have supporters, which maybe $25.00 or 35 percent preferred to $65.00 or 75 percent are still against him to be prepared when that is why i'm sure that democracy will when democracy will win the elections on 2022 voice in the print. your voice. now speaking about october 2022. you haven't confirmed that decisively,

but i think you've provided enough hands to expect your run for the presidency. commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass, or even if it doesn't. how do you think the presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2020 to differ from the challenges of 2003. when you secure your 1st presidential term or permit, you do to kill no, you don't put the box on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections problem because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021. northeast, then we'll have in the, the vaccine up to the home button. we are asking some vaccine for the population or safety board because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal. want to get his vaccine security luggage,

demanding emergency aid for the population, but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i got the noise. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country. who is the 1st. we must recover that brazilian people's quality of life, of health, and well being responsible for we can think about 2022 boys. as he sat, brazil has the world stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead. and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian maid vaccine split need be siding, inherent risk series defects, even though internationally split me is recognized as one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics in that decision?

ill tell you, we can do it if i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including sputnik v d, i actually had conversations with carol dmitri of the view is responsible for the fun which sponsors vaccine production and russia bill for the good, you know, i probably got sold of athena orphan. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius to sign the former president of visa and governors of the p t party. what do you do your to go but including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get the axioms and have orders for it for we met these good. we found the seems to be problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, yuki, all of you already have any people as suspicious that former president from recommended proven there is documentary evidence of it for the president bell

scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine off in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine. if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solved the vaccination problem a long time ago. kelly, stop me, go over the president does not take any measures he a deal with. the truth is that he is under pressure and i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil paper as though as also heavy criticism towards a chinese vaccine view, dickie in the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connected the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the conversation between present balls in our present term. but it was already under

president bob in the us department of health and human services in its annual report in march of 2021 boasted about having used in diplomatic mass all to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian cove at $900.00 vaccine which he described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in that country's interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal brazil to suck? come to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the boy who. but if you leave the brazilian, people certainly want the russian vaccine for good. good afternoon. i feel the

national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil, you have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit a formal, necessary documentation because people in brazil need vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't give a few things to me of honor that the vaccine is about you couldn't make interests. i'm that is an idea, logical war. but after you leave a us defend the american companies and the u. k. defenders, the british companies what there's all them in cookies talk to brazil does not need to worry about defending the us. defend the need to worry about the health of the 2 needs to worry about the health of it's 250000000 inhabitants. that will be very,

there's l, you must buy the american vaccine view and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing the interests of health of brazilians. and that must be championed by the brazilian government and not the u. s. government ref, i will do the over the years. by the way, the early 2nd semester of 2029. we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this in several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. probably my, but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world be vaccinated who bought the of us feeling well in that. and i have been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove,

everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest country. that's 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines than they actually need it needed. and they continue forward to affording those vaccines rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of little ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only caring about their own political considerations. or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that really need to bring down this objection at a sovereign countries or have to go buy a, b, forget a brazil is not against the u. s. w, the visual. but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with

them by 55, president putin also says he wants good relations with the us. and my boy law phone call don't wants to be a handshake. get him. if he wants to have a good relations with all countries stand up. when i compare to, however, the us once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be a beacon for the globe. if you don't fight all the world doesn't do no, no, because then you have all the well can really want all countries to be fraternal on you. to develop partnerships. you can go through. buffy must be a sovereign country, will be about just like russia by china and the us. you will be dug. we don't want a shooter. we don't need a to to know from you to, you feel free to or further. that's why i've defended

a change in global governance, and we must change the un security council as we can to continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948. and i think we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, the b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us. so the furthermore, people in segments participating here, but also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father, the me or i

me an entire village in alaska has had to move. if another country threaten to wipe out an american, we do everything on our part a project in water, the escaping climate change poses the same threat right now alaska has seen some of the fastest coastal erosion in the world. we lost about 3535 feet of ground in just about 3 months while we were measuring is fat. and that means the river is 35 pounds. then learning was year before i think we're part of america. there's the worse what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation,

let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, a very critical time. time to sit down and talk the me i you mention to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power 10, giving them job. do you think the challenge right now is bigger? it's bigger than it was back in early 2, thousands and my go to it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003,

the press in brazil was bankrupt view and that i would have many problems in recovering the country over of, you know, if we did recover brazil condo there, show up when i left the government, me economy was growing at the 7 percent a year. you brazil did not have any reserves when i took office in 2003, 3. and we had a $170000000000.00 in international reserves when i left. for now could be a shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult maybe. exactly because of this i will be able to fix brazil view during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would invalid and in brazil after. because because you know, i v deal with collocation, but because of the conferences on culture and health, how would you consider curity on indigenous people for the black people before we move there was 64 conferences. and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue

and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty. we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level to manager. it though or when the will free food. it is how we brought her to a barren desert region by to pick them. when you ask the people, if you will get into people, help you by participating if it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and that we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride in being brazilian who do february live while we are on the issue of employment. i know that a long, long time ago when you were 12 years old, you started working as a shoe shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life?

no. well, yes, i did. indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body 5. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with some sausage and a soda. it went there will stop, but that was what i had for lunch duty to meet the theater. because if you buy even appreciated, shining shoes in my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food, my mother would spare. yes, she would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better. okay, now that that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe while latisha's lack of causes commit one to go my culver, i don't have any personal commitments for before i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over provide to improve their lives by february,

you know, by the month brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and probably love music and dancing to be moved go. we love to work the phone and respect about. yeah, it will be worth of you. this is the country i want to see coming back to carol vote. that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can, i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. and the, and the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with the american influences. wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you envisage, resist poster visit?

the united states, visit will be stopped. i did not accuse the us. bravo us. we have proof table. we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice, but them, it would be difficult and from prosecutors work interesting brazilian companies to condemn me a little bit. but you know, funding for docs. i don't get, well usual and deep down economy to be, what was it? that was the increasing presence of brazilian companies in the global market to my own petrograd tried to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery in the 21st century. in some cells. no, no my i would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration . okay, us, did you not a metal in our maybe boys on december, the 10th 2002. i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office or, you know, bush was terrified. she wanted to terrorism get into get into and he needed to invade iraq. you hope you had

a preview by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war by cuba . and i hold president bush on that december, the 10th 2002 bow shoot that i didn't help knows to down. hussein boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. i forgot about those rebuking iraq had never done anything against brazil. my walk is not against iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by the way, that the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else impede economically. no good or all americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have to go su 430. to prevent you both, we want brothers and sisters show you to come out. so that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career, but we must not be dominated. how is it, you know, i want russia, china,

brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government? well, this is how we will deal with the us. but president, do, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the ride to determine your own faith to determine your own past development? because just as you pointed out in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated lives. in america, as if it were their own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to, to silver and fair o, kermit where noel. it's not up to the us. me to allow us to do with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's

a ill preview view and i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina, christina kitchen, argentina, job michelle busha and chilly water. rafael career in ecuador, and eva morales in bolivia, america before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the coast well and expelled the f t a loc. as we created you in a sore and cell review, and we created the bricks. while i organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries, families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty and international protagonist would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard . i will probably, the problem is brazil has a ruling class, an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission

from the us. government, as i told you with the start, i have a diversity for the us and for the american people paper bill of america will be billable. they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china. don't be life so that we can be suffering in a multi polar world war with peace and come paula. many books and very little weapons, pretty bad with a lot of culture and little violence. talk about it. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you're had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people of your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president

in brazil, despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kid or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. i was no time to read . or for a long time, i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist. forget to quote on my choke that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition, whether in government, i know very little, they'll bring, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education with that but when i learned a lot, my view up into, you know, when i became what i am through my struggles in life, up in the week of quite an apartment. if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked, one of them at 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon. that would be 2 pm. but you know what?

i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by you to i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do. i think i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat, i car and by bus or so i learned a lot by talk and i listen to it was going to i like to ask about things. i don't know if i keep and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, present always been great. pleasure, great on our talking to thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was a part the the me,

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