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i welcome to all the parts hard times to always bring out the bass and the worst in people in their governments. i mean, this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individual countries and the world as a whole. rewarding. those who practiced and punishing those who only preached, but it is a potent or carrying up to put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville, lydia silver. mister president, is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us by. oh, my pleasure, exxon. and. well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the corona virus because this is something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona

virus pandemic, but putting present bolton, all right aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with, with 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem, of the heel. the problem with brazil that our president does not receive back because i am so medicine, you know, those who understand the meaning and severity of the covered 19 pandemic, paid for the president did not purchase and vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus or female, or he does not believe in isolation or in wearing mask. you know, my last call for my you will if you come back to him,

it doesn't matter where the one person dies. 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths so far we to be fearful because of his disrespect for science. i think our president is almost genocidal. or because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its misguided not. why can we handle that for killing my battery about the force he does not believe in need to humanize the government. you know, for that up in or not, he did not define protocols. he woke either he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made your president will you never means worth talking about pres, involved from arrow and i'm sure you me, you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still,

harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in hand? so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic, then they have to face new judy to who is the 15. i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls or point because also nora has been dropping deeply in the post with the video when they ask respondents whether they approve the government of many times they present only be om says, all excellent and oil and regular, i mean to water now will you be when they ask, if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in a given. don't be no pull that you still have afraid gargoyle scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. yeah. really for the both and i don't count polls confirm that i would beat him in the election slim in the 1st round. and in

the runa, brazilian, people behave according to the information they receive, was a patient or on many right wing people in brazil during bell scenario gathered around him, members of local militia groups for people who are fascist, a few stuff people who are in favor of military dictatorships, people who are nazis or there's only 2 very familiar bad, many former military officials, if it's poor, but he does have supporters, which maybe 25 or 35 percent preferred to 65 or 75 percent are still against him to be prepared when that is why i'm sure that democracy will win the democracy will win the elections on 2022 boys in the future voice. now speaking about october 2022, you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you've provided enough him to expect your run for the presidency.

come october is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't. how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003. when you secure your 1st presidential term or permanent, you do to kill no. you don't put a box on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections problem because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021. northeast. then we'll have the vaccine up to the home button. we are asking vaccine for the population. i think the particles are only guaranteed to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal. vaccine insecurity, luggage will demanding emergency aid for the population, but i got a futile unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and

i got a lawyer. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country who is the 1st. we must recover the brazilian people's quality of life of health and well being. we started all the phone, we can think about 2022 boys. as he sat, brazil has the world stories large as death stall, approaching half a 1000000 dad, and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian made vaccines put, need to be citing inherent risk and serious defects, even though internationally split me is recognize as one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics and decision? ill tell you, we can do it if i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and data from all countries, including sputnik v. i actually had conversations with carol demetrius who is

responsible for the fun, which sponsors vaccine production and russia bill for the good for, you know, i've probably got sold up. i've seen it often. i talk for former health ministers to talk with mr dmitri of the science, the former president of indian visa governors of the p t party. what do you do? your typical but including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders, at least for a transfer. we may be good, we phone seems to be problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, dc. or if you already have any people as suspicious that former president from recommended pro, and there is documentary evidence of it for the president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine a few off in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine. finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to

the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solved the vaccination problem a long time ago. can you still go over the president does not take any measures the vehicle can. the truth is that he is under pressure. i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connected the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the conversation between prison, both in our president trump. but it was already under president bob in the us department of health and human services in its annual report. in march of 2021 boasted about having used in diplomatic muscle to quote,

persuading brazil to reject a russian cove at 900 vaccine, which he described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in the country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal brazil to succumb to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the pooper julio? the brazilian people certainly want the rush of vaccine for good afternoon. i feel national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil for they have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency.

and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit all necessary documentation because people in brazil need vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't have a few, not yet, it seems to me exxon or that the vaccine is about feel couldn't make interests. and that is an ideological war. but after obviously the us defend the american companies and the u. k. deforms the british companies. what there's all them in stock. brazil does not need to worry about defending the us. defend needs to worry about the health of the 2 big needs to worry about the health of 250000000 inhabitants. that will be very l. u last by the american vaccine. and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality

care for providing the interests of health of brazilians. that must be championed by the brazilian government. if they're not the u. s. government, i will do the cobra, by the way, since the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this and several interviews in the us. germany, france, and u. k. probably might, but the vaccine should be turned into a public assets, the people all over the world be vaccinated who bought the of us feeling well in that. and i have been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been damaged. but we all saw that when push came to shove, everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest countries, the 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines that they actually need that needed. and they continue forward

to hoarding those vaccines, rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of lead a ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only carrying about their own political considerations. or crook, santa fe u, i have been following what is going on in the world. and i believe that we need to bring down this objection to sovereign countries. pretty cool. favorite things going by. you be forget it. brazil is not against the us. you the visual, but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by the start of need to get their level 5, president putin also says he wants good relations with the us. what bought hell,

a phone call don't want to because handshake. get him back if he wants to have a good relations with all countries who are compared to however, the us once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be a beacon for the globe. if you don't have all the world doesn't leak, you know, because you had all the, well, you know, want all countries to be fraternal on you to develop partnerships. the property must be a sovereign country, will be about just like russia by china and the us and it will be dug. we don't want a shooter. we don't need a to to know, come get the book. you go seem to work for, you know, that's why i've defended a change in global governance. if we must change the un security council, who i sure do, we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948. and i

think we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, b, i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with the remote people and segments participating but also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game, and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father the me i

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk i think my little gang can honestly wanted me to get up now because i think the the up in the kitchen table out them out. i got a good my don't get a get. we'll put it on the shoulder for

meeting be brittany home like he's in this lamp. me by little by now by then, because you guys my last man. why or why not? what i mean the me or i you mentioned to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were empowered, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power and hand,

giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now as bigger it's bigger than it was back in early 2, thousands my order abroad. okay. it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt to view and that i would have many problems in recovering the country that over of you know, if we did recover brazil condo bishop, when i left the government, me economy was growing up to 7 percent a year. well, but our view brazil did not have any reserves when i took office in 2003, 3. and we had $170000000000.00 in international reserves when i left. for now could shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult maybe. exactly because of this. i will be able to fix brazil out of you. during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil after. because because you know, i v deal with collocation,

but after the conference, his own culture and hell, how would you consider curity on? indigenous people will be black people before we move. there was 64 conferences. and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of property . we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level manager. though one will feel full . this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by to pick them. when you ask, the people will read the people help you by participating. if it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and that we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride really, being brazilian, who do february later while we are on the issue of employment, i know that a long, long time ago when you were 12 years old, you started working as a shoe shine boy,

and i'm sure as any 1st job it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life mill? well, yes, i did indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body 5. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread worth a band with them sausage and a soda. like you went there was that was what i had for lunch. do you meet the theater? because if you buy even appreciated, shining shoes in my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food, my mother spare. yes, i would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better and watch another. that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe while latisha's lack of causes, commitment, will you go my gulliver,

since i don't have any personal commitments while i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over to improve their lives. by february, you know, by the month brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and boldly love music and dancing. we love to work, phone and respect. come by. yeah. we're going to do this is the country i want to see coming back to carol vote. that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can, i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have a very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. and the of the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather lynx criminal proceedings against you with them. merican

influences. wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you envisage? resist post true, v the united states visit very will be stopped. i did not accuse the us proper us. we have proof table. we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice, but that may be 50 for be w and from prosecutors work interesting brazilian companies to condemn me. because my new phone to look for books, i don't get w shobel and deep down. excited to be, what was it? that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd tried to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery in the 21st century in the sub cell. clare. no, no my would like to leave this aside to tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs? maybe boyce, on december, the 10th 2002. i was invited by president bush. no,

i wasn't even in office. and bush was terrified. she wanted to terrorism, get in to get it and he needed to invade iraq. you hope you had a preview by bush and president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bullshit that i didn't help knows to down hussein boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. i could cover those rebuking iraq had never done anything against brazil. my walk is not against iraq view, but against hunger dad in my own country and reform and by it being that the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else impede economically. no good or all americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have the question for you to prevent you both. we want brothers and sisters show you our vote. so that's why i

think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important, career, but we must not be dominated. how is it, you know, i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government will, this is how we will deal with the us. but president, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect? we're sovereignty for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own past and development. because just as you pointed out in many of your interviews, the americans long treated latin america as if it were the own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over unfair or current where noel, it's not up to the us. me to allow us to do them with stock or we must be ready to

exercise our sovereignty. there's a, it will produce view and i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well. with chavez and venezuela. do you not receive a kitchenette argentina? job michel busha la and chilly water, rafael korea, in ecuador, and eva morales in bolivia. america, before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the coast well and expelled the f t a loc. as we created you in a sore and sell you and we created the bricks, while i organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries, families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty and international protagonist, a robot, would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. ok, don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard. i will probably, the problem is brazil has a ruling class,

an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us. and as i told you with the start, i have a diversity for the us and for the american people pay for bill of america and people who they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china. don't be life so that we can be suffering in a multi polar world war with peace and come paula. many books and very little weapons, pretty bad with a lot of culture and little violence. talk about it. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people of your

age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil, despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kids or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. i was no time to read . or for a long time, i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist. forget to quote on my choke that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition, whether in government, no very little. you know, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education with that. but when i learned a lot, my view up and you went and i became what i am through my struggles in life, up in the week with an apartment. if i learned

a lot at the gates of the plants where i work, one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon. that would be 2 pm. but you know what? i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by you to i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do. i think. i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat, i car and by bus. so i learned a lot by talk and i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things i don't know. i keep and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, present always been great, pleasure, great on our talking to you. thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck, your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was apart from

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