me eyes your people against demagoguery and populism or has it on the contrary and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics by your own problem of the heel. the problem with brazil is that our president does not respect science or medicine. you know, those who understand the meaning and vanity of the cove at 19 pandemic, paid for president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus or female, or he does not believe in isolation or and wearing mask. you know, my and i need some more for my, you will, if you come back to him, it doesn't matter. where the one person dies, 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths. so for me to be fit for because of his disrespect for science, i think our president is almost genocidal. or because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its misguided not to why can we

handle that for killing my battery about the authority he does not believe in need to humanize the government. you know, for the pin or not, he did not define protocols. he woke either he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made the president will you never means words had talking about pres, involved from arrow, and i'm sure you me, you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still. harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in hand? so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic, then they have to face little q d a fool to do who is the 15th?

i would rather not get into this subject of numbers and poles is a point because both scenario has been dropping deeply in the post with the vendor . when they asked respondents where did they approve of the government? and many times they present says all excellent oil and regular, i mean to what? a lot of what you, when they ask if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in a killer, they'll be no pull the keys, don't have afraid that boil scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. yeah, d a really for the both and i don't count polls confirm that i would beat him in the election in the 1st round. and in the runa, brazilian, people behave according to the information they received was based on many right wing people in brazil. doing both scenarios gathered around him, members of local militia groups for people who are fascist. a few people who are in favor of military dictatorships and i'm unable, who are nazis,

or there's only 2 very familiar bad, many former military officials, if it's the pool, he does have supporters, which maybe 25 or 35 percent to $65.00 or 75 percent are still against him. be prepared when that is why i'm sure that democracy will win. their democracy will win the elections. i 2022 boys in the printer voice. now speaking about october 2022. you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you've provided enough hands to expect your run for the presidency. commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't. how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003 when you secure your 1st presidential term a permanent bill due to kill?

no, you don't put 5 bucks on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections problem because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021 northeast. then we'll have to go to the battery and we're asking for the population or safety because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal . vaccine insecurity, luggage for very weird amounting emergency aid for the population. but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i gather noise. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country. who is the 1st? we must recover the brazilian people's quality of life of health and well being. we start a ball before we can think about 2022 boys. as he said,

brazil has the world's stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead. and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian maid vaccine split need be siding, inherent risk and serious defects. even though internationally split me is recognized as one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics in that decision? ill tell you what it is. i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including sputnik v. i actually had conversations with carol demetrius who is responsible for the fun which sponsors vaccine production and russia bill for the good for, you know, i've probably got sold up. i've seen it often. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius to sign the form of didn't visa into the governors of

the p t party. what do you do? your typical but including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders for it for we not. these did we found the seems to be a problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, yuki, all of you already have any people as suspicious that former president from recommended proven there is documentary evidence of it for the president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine off in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solve the vaccination problem a long time ago. can you stop me? go over the president does not take any measures. he can. the truth is that he is under pressure and i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is

a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connect to the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the conversation between prison vault and our president trump. but it was already under president by then the us department of health and human services in its annual report. in march of 2021 boasted about having used its diplomatic muscle to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian cove at 900 vaccine, which it described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house,

the brazilian people, they're trying to do what they define to be in that country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal in brazil to come to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the pooper julio? the brazilian people certainly want the rush of vaccine for going good afternoon. i feel national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil for they have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit a formal, necessary documentation because people in brazil need vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. it'll be about

fear not yet. seems to me exxon or that the vaccine is about feel couldn't make interests. i'm. it is an idea, logical war, but after it's like a us defend the american companies and the u. k. defenders, the british companies what there's all them in cookies talk to brazil does not need to worry about defending the us. defend needs to worry about the health of the 2 big needs to worry about the health of 250000000 inhabitants. i will be very l u last by the american vaccine view and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing the interests and health of brazilians. and that must be championed by the brazilian government if they're not the us government. i will do the cobra. by the way, in the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine. pasent of stated this in

several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. probably might, but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world be vaccinated who bought them to be feeling well in that. and i have been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove, everybody was out for themselves and it was the richest country. that's 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines than they actually need that needed. and they continue forward to affording those vaccines rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of little ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights,

the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only carrying about their own political considerations or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that we need to bring down this objection to sovereign countries or have to go buy a b forget brazil is not against the u. s. w, the visual. but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by 55, president putin also says he wants good relations with the us. if you have a phone call that wants to be a handshake, get him a call back. if he wants to have good relations with all countries who are compared to however, the us once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be

a beacon for the globe who had all the world doesn't eat up the, can you? no, no, because you had all the well, you know, want all countries to be fraternal on you to develop partnerships. you could go through buffy. brazil must be a sovereign country, will be about just like russia by china and the us. you will be told we don't want a shooter. we don't need a to to know from you to boy, you feel free to or for, you know, that's why i've defended a change in global governance and we must change the un security council here. do we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948 and i think we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, the b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us. so the, the remote people and segments participating here, but also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game.

and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father. the me you got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation. let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk the i don't know. i mean i there were rescuing food that they were not scabbing or,

or where were rescuing resources that are still good. this is best by march 21st, which is in 2 days. all these potatoes, holiday, daniels, onions, all of these came from waste brown sources. this is great for me because i'm always looking for a way to give things away dr. because the tax laws, you know, definitely do benefit the wealthier people in our society. so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off rather than give it to somebody who could use it. and then that person is not going to buy it. ah, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safer?

tyson lation for community. are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? which direction? what is truth? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to this end. the so join us in the depths will remain in the shallows. ah, in the me or i you mention to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of or in tan,

giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now as bigger? it's bigger down. it's was back in early 2, thousands and my go to it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt and that i would have many problems in recovering the country over of, you know, if we did recover brazil condo there, show up when i left the government. the economy was growing at 7 percent a year. what have you? brazil did not have any reserves when i took office in 2003, 3. and we had a $170000000000.00 in international reserves when i left. for now could shepherd every bit. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult to me exactly because of this, i will be able to fix brazil out of your pocket. during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil. because you know, i v deal with color,

but after the conferences on culture, on health, how would you conser curity on indigenous people will be black. people will be naval, there was 64 conferences, why? and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty . we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level manager. it though one will for awful . this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by pick up when you off the people, if you will read and the people help you by participating. it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride really being brazilian would be february later while we are on the issue of employment i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as

a shoe shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life mill? well, oh yes, i did indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with them sausage and a soda. it went there was that was what i had for lunch. do you meet the theater because you have to buy even appreciated, shining shoes, minute of for a long time at home when there was no food. my mother spare. yes. him. i would say if you wait tomorrow, things will be better and watch another. and that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe while latisha's lack of causes commitment, will you go, mike?

oliver, since i don't have any personal commitments, while my commitment is to try to help brazilian people and working people over to improve their lives. by february, you know, by the much brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and probably love music and dancing the moon love to work phone and respect about. yeah, it will be one of the, this is the country i want to see coming back. go carol, vote. that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can, i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. many of the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with them.

merican influences wow. if you ever come to power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you envisage? resist post true, v the united states very will be, i did not accuse the us bravo. we have proof. most people, we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice. we'll get them. it will be 54, will be hand from prosecutor's work into brazilian companies to condemn me a little bit, but no one know 4 docs. i don't really show deep down economy to be what was it? that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd. tried to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery and the 21st century could get into some self level. no, no my would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs?

maybe boys on december, the 10th 2000 to 2. i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office. the bush was terrified. she wanted to talk terrorism, get him to get into and he needed to invade iraq. are you home yet up? if you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war by cuba. and i hold president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bullshit that i didn't know saddam hussein me boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. i forgot about those rebuking iraq had never done anything against brazil . glenda, my walk is not against the iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by default, the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else impede economically. milk is wrong. you, americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have to go? su 430 is failed to prevent you both. we want to be brothers and sisters show when

you come out. that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career, but we must not be dominated. how do you know i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government, this is how we will deal with the u. s. but president, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own past development? because as you pointed out in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated latin america as if it were that own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over in fear?

oh no, it's not up to the us me to allow us to do anything with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's a pretty good deal. i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina, christina kitchen, argentina, job michelle butler and chilly walker. rafael career in ecuador and evil morales in bolivia. america before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the cosa well and expelled the t a lock and we created the sore and sell you and we created the bricks. why organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries, families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty and international protagonist proven would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard

. i will problem. the problem is that you might brazil has a ruling class and elite you that is subservient change. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us government. as i told you, with a start, i have a diversity back to the us and for the american people, paper bill of america will be billable when they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china if you don't do life so that we can be suffering in a multi polar world warfare with peace and come paula many books and very little weapon talk with you about with a lot of culture and little violence, talk about it. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back. and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you're had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and

probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kids or the problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read always for a long time. i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to call my choke, that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition. because i went in government no very little. you know, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education. with that. i learned a lot my view up and you moved and i became what i am through my struggles in life,

up in the week. and i part of, if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked, one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon 2 pm, but a few what i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by you. i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do, you know, impede board. i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train, by boat, i car and by bus. what i learned a lot by talk when i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things, i don't know. i q and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, it presents always been great, great on i talking to you. thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you. center and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was apart.

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