the people who are society so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off rather than give it to somebody who could use it, then that person is not going to buy it. ah, i i hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i am peter labelle, getting it wrong still again, the growing acceptance of the china lab leak very demonstrates the utter incompetence of the ruling leads. will they ever be held to account? also, the west often uses the issue of human rights as a political weapon. now it's being used against the west. the

discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess marker, stop adopted in london, and he's a historian analyst. an author of the new book arrives. we'll see the return of russia world politics. and in budapest we cross to jordan, samuel lee. he is a podcast to read the guy go, which can be found on youtube, grumble and locals are a gentleman, cross our rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate it. or let's go to george 1st in budapest. well, george, you and i've been watching very carefully, be the flipping of the narrative ends and weren't here where even a few weeks ago, even whispering online that there was a possible alternative explanation for the advent of the pandemic. you know, you would have been just a crazy conspiracy not case and to be avoided and to be shunned and probably band ok. now we see the narrative chain. now. no one on this program is going to make

any definitive claims because we can't, we don't have the information, but there seems to be a trickle effect that, you know, the narrative that was established by the, the ruling leads is b. it's unraveling before our eyes and will they be held account because weapons of mass destruction? nope, they got that one wrong. ok. and then explaining why there was a financial crisis in 2008 and who benefited? who last? then we have this entire told me that during the trump administration, where anything he said was a lie. okay. they have scrambled the public see are so badly, they put eggs on their face and there is no reason whatsoever to trust these people whatsoever. everything they touch, they get wrong, george. well, you summarize that perfectly. we what was that we have the weapons of mass destruction. claims disasters. war not only didn't know i'm not for any

consequences other than obviously the iraq is the dead and wounded american servicemen. but the people were elevated into procedures positions on tv shows that they came from that they got a nice, well paying gigs that think tanks, there was celebrated, they got everything wrong there was celebrate. and then of course, there was the russian day, you had the 4 years of unremitting propaganda that the 2016 election was stolen by the russian trump was working for put in. 1 the russians where everywhere, again, not one piece of evidence that we can pull with anybody. all of the evidence that has come forward has refuted these slaves yet no one has suffered any consequences to the only ones who have been subject consequences, whether people will unfairly personally use this for supposedly working for such

as michael flynn or roger stone. so what do we have here? so we were told that we stupid rooms, don't understand science. this is, this is science pandemic. he's a global pandemic. leave it to bill gates, leave it to toni file g, and they understand these things. you know, we don't know anything. now suddenly it turns out that this virus was the product of scientists undertaking reckless research looks like this was research funded by us taxpayers. scientists who didn't bother to make sure that proper safety protocols were in place because these were very dangerous experiment. worst of all sciences who deliberately misled the public because they knew a great deal. tony crouching a great deal about this. and yet he misled the public. he went into one white house

meeting after another, and never so much as gave a hint about gain of function research going on and who had lab. and then the u. s . w. quite a lot about the gain of function research by any price. no, he's already signed the very nice book deal, particularly since doctor anthony bout. she's name is synonymous with gala function . ok. that is obviously been represented for the public mark is one of the things you know, we looked at, you know, i started out with the, the iraq war here. don't you find it really remarkable, the professional manager at different points and in time in places they are experts on weapons, they're experts on climate, they're experts on science, they're experts on russian. ok. and there's professional managerial class. they are so in tune with their own accreditation and their moral to peer warranty over every

one else is that, you know, it ends up being just an accreditation class without any kind of stuff. and because i like everything they touch those wrong. and with this demick, you know, russia gave was, you know, lucian and people's mind. lockdown is real when you lost your job, you lost your family, you lost your help, you lost your future. that is real and someone must be held accountable. and we know exactly well, i'm not going to sit here and act as a defense counsel for the chinese government's bond will approach the matter as a legitimate call of law with the likes of which cannot be found. acts for example, have so i expect, in fact, on demand credible concrete evidence from those american politicians and journalists who are claiming about china is responsible for what is known as

co. 9 seems not circumstantial evidence. no, he said con crates, evidence which will clearly and fasick lee indict the chinese government's boss. i'm surprised and leave. no such evidence has been for coming from those american politicians. like tell the americans out. of course, the british maids claims in the past which will never substantiated. so for instance, yes, there is the claim. there was proved to be a lie that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. so the americans and the british lied that they live about the search committed genocide, the cost of our talk. yeah. they lived about colonel gadhafi preparing to commit genocide in bang, darcy. so no evidence is actually put forward by these people. yes,

on the one hand, they are not experts when it comes to weapons of mass destruction, they're not experts when it comes to stuff and not experts when it comes to the form. yugoslavia certainly not experts when it comes to medicine and science barts, the real question is, why are they allowed to act as they do? because they know when i say they are referring to in this instance, american politicians, they know that american mainstream major will not hold them through accounts. why? because american mainstream major is neither free nor independent. so that is why american politicians, i also, equivalence in britain are able to make such outlandish claims, such grand claims about any massa they choose to, because they know they will not be scrutinized. they know they will not have to

corroborate their assertions with concrete evidence. so at the beginning, i said, this matter should be approach a court of law would approaches. and if you approach it as a proper course of law, would the case would be thrown out because there is no concrete evidence. the only evidence that american politicians and journalists are putting forward is merely circumstantial and here, and that is not good enough, george. but the problem for the professional manager class here is that at the end of the day, they don't have a problem. blaming another country. we, we see that there's really no rush involved. it's around falls, north korea is falls in the usual thing here. a problem is, is that the, there are so many high level officials, voucher and voucher like visuals that are just he hip deep in all of this and they don't know how to use separate. that's why they never went down. oh,

because something from races that it's just a cover, it's not it's nonsense. okay, on the face of it, it's a stupid nonsense and they knew it. but if you look closely at an alternative theory, you're going to be looking at people, not just in beijing or, you know, they will get a lot of people in washington. so i think that's exactly right. i mean, i think what, i haven't really been a major accusation against china. what happened in the united states was that when you pull the professional managerial class sees on the virus as a way finally to get rid of chrome. but in trumps seem to be coasting towards reelection. suddenly they sold this as an opportunity that they could blame him. it's all his fault called a virus. he didn't respond quickly enough but strongly enough. used respond globally can all be down. he's responsible for the chinese being being they were the asian racism, he's responsible. that is a native is,

is that that wasn't really a major attempt to attack china. glory. i mean, he was when nancy follows the says it's the trump 5 it's, it's not the child that was, it's the trump virus. so i was just disagree here with mom because i mean the, the faces that he cited iraq cooperated with the international weapons inspectors. i mean, he said we're going to throw everything open even, but that wasn't good enough for an american lead that was determined on war. so anything happened yugoslavia, monopoly throw open cost to all of the inspectors. the o. s. the sent in the inspectors. they would draw the inspectors in order to facilitate the bombing. china has refused to cooperate with the international inspector. so when they will help the organization put forward a plan to inspect the, the bar tricks, china bulk and refused to do with any one other. then there man would just be the

hey sack. so obviously the report that the w h o came up with was ludicrous headed by someone who was an interested party. so i think this is a little bit different from the previous cases, but, but what is the same here as the market? this is there, there is no accountability. i mean, it's really quite remarkable in my, in my mind is how all of these pay people fail upward. you can be really wrong just about everything in your career, but you just get a better air conditioned off this outside washington, d. c. when they're very nice income, given another mandate, the screw up and then you just keep moving forward. nobody's ever held account. and all of these can be seen in this century alone. and it, because this is the professional literature, your boss protecting itself is a rock go ahead. last answer goes the markets and the data that is a common pass. and, and we have seen this in the last 30 years. and specifically,

since the dissolution of the soviet union, when america was very aware that it had no competition any longer on the international stage, when they knew there was no counter balance. so american global design and best for american politicians and american journalists, felt emboldened to say what ever they wanted about any subject matter as they pleased. and one of the things that any, but all of this has in common is that the countries which are focused, which are targeted by american politicians or american mainstream journalists just happens to be countries which pursue an independent foreign policy. we're going to discuss a little bit more there and the next part of our program we're going to, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate, r t o me,

and i make no, no borders under my keys. and you don't have authority. we go to the back seat, the whole world leads to take action and be ready. people judge, governors crisis, we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is to response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we need together

the the news welcome at the cross top where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real issues. ah, ah. okay, just go back to budapest, georgia, to change gears here. all 3 of us have a long enough memory to remember when the whole issue of human rights was injected into foreign policy. we are usually associated with jimmy carter. jimmy carter's name is john mentioned all the time these days, i would say for many wrong reasons, but in this case it's true. jimmy carter very much highlighted in principle. i have no problem with it. if it's weaponized, then i do have

a problem with it. we saw in the anchorage some in the past few months when the secretary of state was lectured by his chinese counterpart and much of what the chinese delegate had to say could have been taken from the play book of the democratic party throwing, throwing it right back into him here and other countries are doing this as well. mean if you can look at what, how can a country like the u. k. talk about human rights when julian assigns is languishing in prison. how, how, how can a country like the united states holding hundreds of people without bail for the crime of what loitering, because of the january 6 awry and here. i mean, it's very easy to weaponized and it's, and one can do it and everyone can do it. and i think that this is something that is a shock to the managerial classes. they only,

we'll are allowed to talk about valleys, not any one else. democracy ahead, george. that's exactly right. i mean, you remember during the cold war the west use of talk about human rights. we talk about political rights and then the soviet union would talk. oh yeah. all right, well we may not be great the political right, but we can all make a social right that you don't have. so you know, everyone, everyone has a job. everyone has a house. and so you know, we care. but people, the west dismissed that argument because it was more prosperous but the so because we do better at this than you do. but i mean, you became of the west and a lot of fun with it in the days of the this is the so when you have m. c. m done. yeah. and then you had of course also yes. in the song already there's a lot of people are being prosecuted for what for their political views. i mean, they've done their committed no crime. and they were opposed to the government. and it was the west just had a lot of fun with that. and the soviet union really didn't have

a very good onset of that. that has change because now russia a very good onset. i mean for instance, i mean we talked about this roman protection. now roman brother david was involved in instigating violence in off in the aftermath of the election in bell or argument . instigating it while he was in poland with direct evidence that he was instigating it. he was in the as a battalion, whatever he was doing, that is a violent organisation. now, you mentioned julian his lunch. no, there's no evidence at all that he was involved in any kind of, you know, there's nothing at all violence g, publish information. and yet that's happening in the u. k. the very same u. k. but lectures, others about media freedom. and then of course, you have the case of the, the capital riots where people, hundreds of people have been arrested that charge. some of them are in prison

without bail their solitary confinement for war, full loitering over trespassing. and the prosecution just gets to postpone again. and again, bringing the cases to trial. why? because they want to use it for political ends as they move into an election year. so here you are clearly persecuting people for the app. holidays. there's no, there's no record of it. no, no evidence of any of these people committed. you violence that real crime is he don't accept the legitimacy of the bi election victory. you can argue with that. you can disagree with it, but that, that's all they hold the wrong views and they are being punished for it. so yeah, i mean, the tables have indeed been robust markers. what really makes this tragic is that we should think about human rights. ok. and that is a legitimate area of concern here. but if you politicize that you keep in it,

because then you're, you're just looking to score points. you don't care about the cause you care about as a scoring point against your opponent in the media. i mean, it's just more of a p r strategy than it is having a genuine concern for the some people's rights being violated. i mean, that's what i find that really, really sad about it is because it is in itself, it's a good idea. but the way it's being practice is an abomination, and people in the hope to be idea of human rights itself is just completely denigrated. go ahead markets what we have over the last 30 years. and especially the last 20 years is the appropriation and distortion of was a concept by liberals such as democracy, equality, racism, progressiveness diversity, and of course human rights. now, the aforementioned was

a concepts to date in 2021 on a council town, near liberals, especially in america and in britain have appropriated undistorted the maintenance of these. so their own. deprived agendas means that these was and concepts have lost all meaning in the world. today, so we say in america and also in britain neo liberal activists, strict samples phone b woke, bible cooling for racism to be counted by taking the knee in honor of a hardened criminal who but go into the apartments of a pregnancy black woman and then a threatened to kill the same woman by jap in stock. that is absolutely homesick,

but it serves as another demonstration that race system as was racism and equality have lost all meaning. and if we turn to the american and british governments, when it comes to schumann, right, well, the americans and the british has never truly being committed to the concepts of human life, both german, the cold war after the cold war. what i would argue the difference is that during the cold war, the mosque was more or less a chill on the faces of the americans. and the british bots, following the end of the cold war. and in particular, the dissolution of the u. s. s. off both countries became complacent. they became even more arrogant. and that is when the mask dropped, because they felt, as i said, moments ago, they could do as they please on the international stage because there was no counter balance. so to day human rights, actually

a weapon that can be used against the americans and british, the british for instance, make no secrets of back close strategic friendship and relationship with saudi arabia, which is one of the most abominable countries in the world. and the americans are still hold in prison, isn't guantanamo who has not been charged with any offenses. so the americans and the british are in, in my opinion, quite in a precarious situation today, the lights of which they will not seem to in the cold war. so i have to leave many complacency to limit and we can bet, hold on the well, it's been, you know, but george, you know, whenever you confront these people, they have one word for you, your races. i mean, not in my lifetime. i mean, you know, it, we've had times where, you know, when calling someone a socialist or something like that,

oh my goodness. i mean we've gotten so far away from that now because they don't want to have a conversation. and then they end up using words like equity, like what the hell does that mean? ok, you don't agree with it. if you don't even understand it, you are a racist. i mean, this is out, but now the debate has become, become, has been now is saying that you stand per human rights and it comes from those people. ok, you know, you know, equity for all but you know, but if you don't believe that you're somehow a rube and retrograde and yeah, i mean, and then you can have a conversation because if you don't leave an equity that you're not even worth talking to, i mean, this is the, this is destroying any kind of logical discourse. right? that, that's exactly right. then i think marcus makes an excellent point about this broad of black lives matter. and this mandatory taking of the knee is there somehow by doing so. you are opposing racism? no, you are actually celebrating organization that is dedicated to war, racism,

leave aside the fact that it's a multi $1000000.00 racket in which woke corporations shut out millions without even bothering to wonder where is the money going and you know, even to be likely to read a lot of money into much of any organization in the world, anywhere disposed to those other tens of millions of dollars and no one off. what do you actually spend this money on? yeah, so that's, that's absolutely the case. but what is really happening is that you're getting that us, you gave france and all your dope still as if, when you know this is still 975, and you lecture the world on human rights as we are exemplars of the respecting human right. where we're, where we're the with george, where we're the human rights for the best. exactly, i don't know. exactly i,

this is the point that the president boynton made at the st. petersburg can all be form that you attended your luck there. people who had a rubber bullets shot of them, they lost their eyes. can you imagine if we did anything of the sort why the other world would respond and it wasn't. i mean, racism is one response. oh, what about is and what about is a? well, it's not what about it isn't, it's actually clearly indicated that she is actually the performance of the western countries is worse than i don't russia, russia actually treat it's prisoners. was you mainly now? then the western countries, i mean the violence that he use against the people who protested against the locked down the violence against the yellow vest. and now this brutal imprisonment of the people who are involved on january 6, clearly the west rec, or is it? we don't even have to go into saudi arabia the west. well,

then rushes. 30 seconds go to you, marcus. go ahead. well, i think it's a very depressing state of affairs, and i think it's one that's not going to improve any time soon unless the ordinary person in america and in griffin, actually learns to say no, no to be one rabble who never answering so a conversation into a discussion because that risks losing an argument on the merits. so they will just simply end any prospects of a discussion by a critic houston, your racist all being is phobic or be in a fight. so unless people in america, britain say enough is enough. we are going to take back our societies, then this cancer will just become worse and dismay this to them. i don't talk to kids. okay. that balance. i don't the big gentleman. that's all the time. we want to take my guess in budapest and let him know what to thank you for watching us

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many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground in the i don't know, i mean there some steps in there were rescuing the food that they were scabbing or, or where were rescuing resources that are still good. this is best buy march 21st, which is in 2 days. all these potatoes, holla panels, onions, all of these came from waste ground sources. this is great for me because i'm always looking for a way to give things away. dr. because the tax laws, you know, definitely do benefit the wealthier people in our society. so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off rather than give it to somebody who could use it,

then that person is not going to buy it. the top headlines this out here on twitter is angry over. it's recent that blocking in my jury yet saying a free and open internet is an essential human. right. the very same time, the platform senses it's american users shutting down white people. that's what a psychiatrist gail university told her class that was her fantasy newly emerged audio of the lecture box outrage, something. she brown's a typical white reaction. i began my talk by saying that if i start talking about race in this way, would be seen as a crazy one. and white people followed the textbook like to passenger trains allied in southern packets on killing 35 authorities.