in london and he's a historian analyst, an author of the new book, arise, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics. and in budapest we cross to jordan, samuel l. e. he is a podcast or at the geico which can be found on youtube rumble, and locals are a gentleman, cross off rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it. or let's go to george 1st in budapest. well, george, you and i've been watching very carefully be, be flipping up the narrative ends and weren't here where even a few weeks ago, even whispering online that there was a possible alternative explanation for the advent of the pandemic. you know, you would have been just a crazy conspiracy not case and to be avoided and to be shunned and probably banned . ok, now we see the narrative changing. now. no one on this program is going to make any definitive claims because we can't, we don't have the information, but there seems to be a trickle effect. you know, the narrative that was established by the,

the ruling leads is b. it's unraveling before our eyes and will they be held account because weapons of mass destruction? nope, they got that one wrong. ok. and then explaining why there was a financial crisis in 2008 and who benefited? who last? then we have this entire told me that during the trump administration, where anything he said was a lie. okay. they have scrambled the public sphere so badly. they put egg on their face and there's no reason whatsoever to trust these people whatsoever. everything they touch, they get wrong, george. well, you summarize that perfectly. we what was that we have the weapons of mass destruction claims disastrous war. not only did no one's not for any consequences other than obviously the iraq is the dead and wounded american servicemen. but the people were elevated into procedure physicians on tv shows that they came

pundits. they got nice, well paying gigs that think tanks that were celebrated. they got everything wrong. there were celebrate the. and then of course there was the russian gate. you had the full year, the unremitting propaganda that the 2016 election was stolen by the russian trump was working for put in the russians, where everywhere again, no one piece of evidence does that become poor with anybody? all of the evidence that has come forward has refuted these claims, yet no one has suffered any consequences to the only ones who have been subject consequences, whether we're able well unfairly, personally use this for supposedly working for put in such as michael flynn or roger stone so what do we have here? we were told that we stupid rooms don't understand science. this is, this is,

science is pandemic. he's a global pandemic. leave it to bill gates, leave it to tony vouching, they understand these things, you know, we don't know anything. now suddenly it turns out that this virus was the product of scientists undertaking reckless research looks like this was research funded by us taxpayers. scientists who didn't bother to make sure that proper safety protocols were in place. 1 because these were very dangerous experiment, worst of all sciences who deliberately misled the public because they knew a great deal. tony crouching a great deal about this. and yet he misled the public. he went into one white house meeting after another, and never so much as gave a hint about gain of function research going on and not who had lab. and then the u . s. w. quite a lot about the gain of functional research. boy by any price. no,

he's already signed. the very nice book deal, particularly since doctor anthony name is synonymous with gala mountain. ok. that, that, that, that, that is obviously been mis mister represented to the public. mark is one of the things, you know, we looked at, you know, i started out with the, the iraq war here. don't you find it really remarkable that the professional manager at different points and in time in places they're experts on weapons. they're experts on climate, they're experts on science, they're experts on russian. ok. and there's professional managerial class. they are so in tune with their own accreditation and their moral superiority over every one else is that, you know, it ends up being just an accreditation class without any kind of stuff. and because everything they touch goes wrong with this demick, russia gave was, you know,

lucian and people's mind. lockdown is real. when you lost your job, you lost your family, you lost your health, you lost your future. that is real and someone must be held accountable. and we know exactly well, i'm not going to sit here and act as a defense counsel for the chinese government bond will approach the matter as a legitimate call of law with the likes of which cannot be found as for example, the height. so i expect, in fact, i demand credible concrete evidence from those american politicians and journalists who are claiming about a child that is responsible for what is known as co 9 seems not circumstantial evidence, not say con crates, evidence which will clearly and static lee in dice. the chinese government's

boss, unsurprisingly, no such evidence has been full come in from those american politicians. like tell the americans out, of course the british maids claims in the past, which will never substantiated. so for instance, yes, there is the claim. there was proved to be a lie that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. so the americans and the british allied bass, they live about the search committed genocide, the cost of our talk. yeah. they lives about candle capacity preparing to commit genocide in bang, darcy. so no evidence is ever actually put forward by these people. yes, on the one hand, they are not experts when it comes to weapons of mass destruction, they're not experts when it comes to not experts when it comes to the form.

yugoslavia certainly not experts when it comes to medicine and science barts, the real question is, why are they allowed to act as they do? because they know when i say they are referring to in this instance, american politicians, they know that american mainstream major will not hold them to account. why? because american mainstream major is neither free nor independent. so that is why american politicians, i also, equivalence in britain are able to make such outlandish claims, such grand claims about any massa they choose to, because they know they will not be scrutinized. they know they will not have to corroborate their assertions with concrete evidence. so at the beginning, i said this matter should be approached as a would approach it as if you approach it as

a proper course of law would the case would be thrown out because there is no concrete evidence. the only evidence that american politicians and journalists are putting forward is merely circumstantial and here say that is not good enough. george, the, the problem for the professional manager class here is that at the end of the day, they don't have a problem blaming another country. we, we see that it is, you know, really rushes vault. it's around falls, north korea as falls in the usual thing here. the problem is, is that the, there are so many high level officials, voucher and power g like patients that are just, he hip deep in all of this and they don't know how to use separate. that's why they never went down there about oh because something from races, not that it's just a cover. it's not, it's nonsense. okay, on the face of it, it's a stupid nonsense and they knew it. but if you look closely at an alternative theory, you're going to be looking at people not just been basing or wrong because we will

get a lot of people in washington. that's exactly right. i mean, i think what hasn't really been a major accusation against china. what happened in the united states was that when you pull the professional managerial class seized on the virus as a way finally to get rid of trumpeting trumps, seem to be coasting towards reelection. suddenly they sold it as an opportunity that they could blame him. it's all his fault called a virus. he didn't respond quickly enough, but strongly enough use responsible economic downturn. he's responsible for the entry chinese being. they were the asian racism he's responsible. that is a native is, is that that wasn't really a major attempt to attack china glory. i mean, he was when nancy pelosi says it's the crumb 5 it's, it's not the china. it was, it's the trump pirate. so i was just slightly disagree here with marcus,

i mean the, the faces that he cited iraq cooperated with the international weapons inspectors. i mean, he said we're going to throw everything open even, but that wasn't good enough for an american lead that was determined on war. so anything happen in your lobby, a monopoly, throw open cost to all of the inspectors. the o. s. the sent in the inspectors. they, we've drawn the inspectors in order to facilitate the bombing. china has refused to cooperate with the international inspector. so when they will help the organization put forward a plan to inspect the, the bar tricks china bulk and refused to do with anyone other than their man would just be the de sac. so obviously the report that the w h o came up with was ludicrous attended by someone who was an interested party. so i think this is a little bit different from the previous cases, but,

but what is the same here as the market? this is there, there is no accountability. i mean it's really quite remarkable in my, in my mind is how all of these pay people fail upward. you can be really wrong, just about everything in your career, but you just get a better air conditioned office outside washington d. c. when they're very nice income, given another mandate, the screw up and then you just keep moving forward. nobody's ever held account and all of these can be seen in this century alone. and it, because this is the professional literature pos, protecting itself is a rock. go ahead. last answer goes, the markets and the data that is a common pass and, and we have seen this in the last 30 years. and specifically, since the dissolution of the soviet union, when america was very aware that it had no competition any longer on

the international stage, when they knew there was no counter balance. so american global design and best for american politicians and american journalists felt, and bolden to say what ever they wanted about any subject matter as they pleased to one of the things that are any. but all of this has in common is that the countries which our focus, which are targeted by american politicians or american mainstream journalists just happens to be countries which pursue an independent foreign policy. we're going to discuss a little bit more there. and the next part of our program we're going to, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate, r t o. driven by dreamers shaped by those in

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ah. okay, just go back to budapest. george has change gears here. all 3 of us have a long enough memory to remember when the whole issue of human rights was injected into foreign policy. we are usually associated with jimmy carter. jimmy carter's name is john mentioned all the time these days. i would say for many wrong reasons, but in this case it's true. jimmy carter very much highlighted in principle. i have no problem with, but if it's weaponized, then i do have a problem with it. we saw in the anchorage some in the past few months when the secretary of state was lectured by his chinese counterpart and much of what the chinese delegate had to say could have been taken from the play book of the

democratic party throwing, throwing it right back in them here, and other countries are doing this as well. mean, if you can look at what, how can a country like the u. k. talk about human rights, angelina songs is languishing in prison. how, how, how can a country like the united states holding hundreds of people without bail for the crime of what loitering, because of the january 6 a riot here. i mean, it's very easy to weaponized and it's one can do it and everyone can do it. and i think that this is something that is a shock to the professional managerial classes. they've only, we'll are allowed to talk about valleys. not anyone else. typography ahead, george. that's exactly right. i mean, you remember during the cold war, you know, the west use of talk about human rights. we talk about, you know, political rights and then the soviet union would talk. oh yeah. all right. well, we may not be great. the political right. but we've got economic and social rights

that you don't have. so you know, everyone, everyone has a job. everyone has a house. and so you know, we care. but people go to the west dismissed that argument because west was more prosperous. and so be going to say, well, we do better at this than you do. but i mean it became of the west and a lot of fun with it in the days of the this is the so when you have them, say, gaskin done. yeah. and then you had, of course, also yes, and the song or already there's a lot of people are being persecuted for what for their political views. i mean, they've done, they're committed no crime other than they were opposed to the government and it was the west just had a lot of fun with that. and the soviet union really didn't have a very good onset of that. that has changed because now russia very good onset. i mean for instance, i mean we talked about this roman production. it's now growing. david was involved in instigating violence in off in the aftermath of the election in bell or else he

was instigating it while he was in poland with the direct evidence that he was instigating it. he was in the, as all but out and whatever he was doing that that is a while and organization. now, you mentioned during his lunch. no, there's no evidence that all that he was involved in any kind of there's nothing on it. he, you know, publish information and yet that's is happening in the u. k. the very same u. k, but lectures, others about media freedom. and then of course, you have the case of the, the capital riots where people, hundreds of people have been arrested that charge, that some of them are in prison without bail. they're in solitary confinement for work, full lawyer, terrain, trespassing. and the prosecution just gets to postpone again and again, we're bringing the cases to trial. why? because they want to use it for political ends as they move into an election year.

so here you are clearly persecuting people for the policy as though there's no record of it. no, no evidence of any of these people committed any violence that real crime is tito, except the legitimacy of the bi election victory. you can argue with that you can disagree with it, but that that's all they hold the wrong views and they are being punished for it. so yeah, the tables have indeed been reversed markers, which really makes this tragic, is that we should think about human rights. ok, and that is a legitimate area of concern here, but if you politicize that you cheap in it because then you're just looking to score points. you don't care about the cause you care about as a scoring appoint against your opponent in the media. i mean, it's just more of a p r strategy than it is having a genuine concern for the some people's rights being violated. i mean,

that's what i find that is really, really sad about it is because it is in itself, it's a good idea. but the way it's being practice is in empowerment. ation and people in the hope, the, the idea of human rights itself is just completely denigrated. go ahead markets. what we have over the last for 2 years. and especially the last 20 years is the appropriation and distortion of was a concept by liberals such as democracy, equality, racism, progressiveness diversity and of course human rights. now the aforementioned was and concepts today in 2021 on a council town liberals, especially in america and in britain have appropriated undistorted the maintenance of these so their own deprived agendas means that these was and concepts have lost

all meaning in the well today. so we see in america and also in britain neo liberal activists. for example, phone b woke, cooling for racism to be counted by taking beneath in honor of a hardened criminal who. but go into the apartments of a pregnant black woman and then a threatened to kill the same woman by japanese gun stock. that is absolutely. pope sick bought it served as another demonstration that racism as was racism, and equality have lost all meaning. and if we turn to the american and british governments, when it comes to schumann, right, well, the americans and the british has never truly been committed to the concept of human rights during the cold war. and after the cold war,

what i would argue the difference is that during the cold war, the mosque was more or less a chill on the faces of the americans. and the british bots, following the end of the cold war. and in particular, the dissolution of the u. s. s. off both countries became complacent. they became even more arrogant. and that is when the mask drops, because they felt, as i said, moments ago, they could do as they please on the international stage because there was no counter balance. so today, human rights is actually a weapon that can be used against the americans. and british, the british for instance, make no secrets back close strategic friendship and relationship with saudi arabia, which is one of the most abominable countries in the world. and the americans are still holding. prison isn't guantanamo who has not been charged with any offenses.

so the americans and the british ought, in, in my opinion, quite in a precarious situation today, the likes of which they were not saying to in the cold war. so i believe martin, a complacency has helped to limit and we can that hold on the welds. but, you know, george, you know, whenever you confront these people, they have one word for you. your races, i mean, is not in my lifetime. i mean, you know, it, we've had times where, you know, when calling someone a socialist or something like that was like, oh my goodness. i mean we've gotten so far away from that now because they don't want to have a conversation. and then they end up using words like equity, like what the hell does that mean? ok, you don't agree with it. if you don't even understand that you are a racist, i mean, this is how, but now, debate has become, become, has been now, is saying that you stand per human rights and it comes from those people. ok,

you know, and you know, equity for all, but you know, but if you don't believe that you're somehow a rude and retrograde and then you can have a conversation. because if you don't leave an equity that you're not even worth talking to. i mean, this is the, this is destroying any kind of logical discourse. right. so that's, that's exactly right. but i think marcus makes an excellent point about this broad of black lives matter and this mandatory taking of the knee is there somehow by doing so. you are opposing racism. no, you are actually celebrating an organization that is dedicated to war, racism, leave aside the fact that it's obviously a multi $1000000.00 racket in which corporations shut out millions without even bothering to wonder where is the money going? you know, even to be likely to read. yeah. a

lot of money can much of any organization in the world anywhere that disposed those tens of millions of dollars and no one off. what are you actually spending this money on? yeah, so that's, that's absolutely the case. but what is really happening is that you're getting that us, you gave france. and while you're being told still as if, when you know this is still 975, and you lecture the world on human rights as we are exemplars of the respecting human right? where we're, where we're the with george, where we're the human rights for the best. exactly, that's another exactly i, this is the point that the president gotten made at the st. petersburg economic form that you attended. there are people who have a rubber bullets shot of them. they lost their eyes. can you imagine if we did anything of the sort of a world would response and it was then, i mean,

racism is one response. oh, what about is and what about as a well, it's not. what about isn't, it's actually clearly indicated that, you know, actually the performance of the western countries is worse than i don't russia, russia actually treat it's prisoners war you mainly now. then will the western countries, i mean, the violence that is used against the people who protested against the lockdown, the violence against the yellow vest and, and now this brutal imprisonment of the people who are involved on january 6, clearly the west rec, or is it we don't even have to go into saudi arabia, the west, west and rushes. not 30 seconds, gotta you, marcus. go ahead. well, i think it's a very depressing states of affairs, and i think it's one that's not going to improve any time soon unless the ordinary person in america and in griffin, actually learns to say no, no to be one rabble who never answering so a conversation into

a discussion because that risks losing an argument on the marriage. so they will just simply end any prospect of a discussion by a critic houston. you will be racist all being islamic phobic or be in a fight. so unless people in america, britain say enough is enough, we are going to take back our society than this cancer will just become worse. and this made this to them. i don't talk to kids. ok. i don't know why gentlemen. that's all the time we have one of my guests in budapest and in let and i want to thank you for watching us geared are you seeing next time? remember the oh, i use join me every thursday on the alex,

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