injury rushing surgery at the end of it. and of course b, b. c. moscow reported at the time that the locals had seen military aircraft shoot the plane. and those military capital definitely have come from pierre's of past 10 here in moscow. that is our lot for an hour from neutral, but just trying to take a quick look at what else they had on our team during the week before some more great programs stay close the the summer solution. that's right. we don't look at the problem to look at the solution and today we've got the one on the marshall auerbach is the market analyst at levy

institute researcher and tragic follower of the toronto, may i please, but maybe this is they are they want to stanley cup join me every thursday on the alex salmon show and i'll be speaking to guess from the world. the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the news news. hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter labelle, getting it wrong. still again. the growing acceptance of the trying to lively

theory demonstrates the utter incompetence of the ruling leaves will be ever be held to account. also, the west often uses the issue of human rights as a political weapon. now it's being used against the west, the discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess marker stop adopted in london, he's a historian, analyst and author of the new book arrives. we'll see the return of russia to world politics. and in budapest we cross to jordan, samuel l, a. he is a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube, grumble and locals are a gentleman, cross our rules, and the fact that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i would appreciate it or let's go to george 1st in budapest. well, george, and i've been watching very carefully the, the flipping of the narrative as it were here, where even a few weeks ago, even whispering online that there was

a possible alternative explanation for the advent of the pandemic. you know, you would have been just a crazy conspiracy not case and to be avoided and to be shunned and probably band ok. now we see the narrative changing. now. no one on this program is going to make any definitive claims because we can't, we don't have the information, but there seems to be a trickle of back that you know, the narrative that was established. the ruling leaves is b. it's unraveling before our eyes and will they be held account because weapons of mass destruction? nope, they got that one wrong. ok. and then explaining why there was a financial crisis in 2008 and who benefited? who last? then we have this entire told me that during the trump administration, where anything he said was the lie. okay. they have scrambled the public see are so badly, they are put egg on their face and there's no reason whatsoever to trust these

people whatsoever. everything they touch, they get wrong. george, where you summarize that perfectly. we're well this that we have the weapons of mass destruction claims disastrous war. not only did no one's not for any consequences other than obviously the iraq is and the dead and wounded american servicemen. but the people were elevated into procedures, positions on tv shows that became funded. they got nice, well paying gigs that think things that were celebrated. they got everything wrong . they were celebrate the. and then of course there was the russian gate. you had the full year, the unremitting propaganda. that's the 2016 election was stolen by the russian. trump was working in the russians where everywhere again, not one piece of evidence. does that become poor with anybody?

all of the evidence that has come forward has refuted these slaves yet no one has suffered any consequences. the only ones who have been suffered consequences whether people will unfairly personally use this for supposedly working for put in such as michael flynn or roger stone. so what do we have here? we were told that we stupid rooms don't understand science. this is, this is science pandemic. he's a global pandemic. leave it to bill gates, leave it to toni file g, and they understand these things. you know, we don't know anything. now suddenly, it's john's out that this virus, one of the products of scientists on the taking reckless research looks like this was research funded by us taxpayers. scientists who didn't bother to make sure that proper safety protocols were in place. 1 because these are very

dangerous experiments, worst of all sciences who deliberately misled up public because they knew a great deal. tony crouching a great deal about this. and yet he misled the public. he went into one white house meeting after another, and never so much as gave a hint about gain of function research going on in the lab. and the u. s. government knew quite a lot about these gain of function research. boy, for any price? no, he's already signed a very nice book deal, particularly since doctor anthony, whose name is synonymous with gala mountain. ok. that is obviously been mis mister, representing the public mark is one of the things you know, you know, we looked at, you know, i started out, we'd be the iraq war here. don't you find a really remarkable bit, the professional manager, you're at different points and in time in places they are experts on weapons.

they're experts on climate, they're experts on science, they're experts on russian. ok. and this professional managerial class, they, they're the, they're so in tune with their own accreditation and their moral superiority over every one else is that, you know, it ends up being just an accreditation class without any kind of substance because everything they touch those wrong. and with this demick, russia gave was lucian in people's mind. lockdown is real. when you lost your job, you lost your family, you lost your health, you lost your future. that is real and someone must be held accountable. and we know exactly. well, i'm going to sit here and act as a defense counsel for the chinese government's and will approach the matter as a legitimate call of law with the likes of which cannot be found. as for example,

have so i expect, in fact, on demand credible concrete evidence from those american politicians and journalists who are claiming that china is responsible for what is known as co. 9. not circumstantial evidence, nor say con crates. evidence which will clearly and fasick lee indict the chinese government boss. i'm surprised and leave. no such evidence has been for coming from those american politicians like hell. the americans out of course, the british made claims in the past which would never substantiated. so for instance, yes, there is, the claim added there was proved to be a lie that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. so the americans and the british

light that they live about, the search commission, genocide, the cost of our talk. yeah. they lied about kind of capacity preparing to commit genocide in bang, darcy. so no evidence is ever actually put forward by the people. yes. on the one hand, they are not experts when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. they're not experts when it comes to not experts when it the form yugoslavia certainly not experts when it comes to medicine and science bots. the real question is, why are they allowed to act as they do? because they know when i say they on refine so in this instance, american politicians, they know that american mainstream major will not hold them to account. why? because american mainstream major is neither a free nor independent. so that is why american politicians and also they

equivalence in britain are able to make such outlandish claims, such grand claims about any massa they choose to, because they know they will not be scrutinized. they know they will not have to corroborate bad assertions with concrete evidence. so at the beginning, i said this matter should be approached as a court of law would approaches. and if you approach it as a proper course of law, would the case would be thrown out because there is no concrete evidence. the only evidence that american politicians and journalists are putting forward is merely circumstantial. and here, and that is not good enough. the george, the, the problem for the professional managerial class here is that at the end of the day, they don't have a problem blaming another country. we, we see that it is, you know, really rushes falls. it's rand falls, north korea falls in the usual thing here. the problem is, is that the,

there are so many high level officials, voucher and voucher like visuals that are just he hip deep in all of this and they don't know how to separate you. that's why they never went down there about oh, because from, from, from races or that it's just a cover. it's not, it's nonsense. okay. on the face of it, it's a stupid nonsense and they knew it. but if you look closely at an alternative theory, you're going to be looking at people, not just they seeing a rule on, you know, they will get a lot of people in washington. that's exactly right. i mean, i think what that hasn't really been a major accusation against china. what happened in the united states was that when you pull the professional managerial class sees on the virus as a way finally to get rid of trumpeting trumps, seemed to be coasting towards reelection. suddenly they sold it as an opportunity to make a blame him. it's all his fault of

a virus. he didn't respond quickly enough, but strongly enough use responsible for the economic downturn. he's responsible for the entity chinese be their feelings. they were the, as the asian racism, he's responsible for that is a native. it says that that wasn't really a major attempt to attack china. glory. i mean he was when nancy pelosi says it's the crum 5 it's, it's not the china mars, it's the trump virus. so i just knew this agree here with mom because i mean the, the faces that he cited iraq cooperated with the international weapons inspectors. i mean, he said we're going to throw everything open even, but that wasn't good enough for an american lead that was determined on war. so anything happened and you're going from a monopoly, throw open cost to all of the inspectors. the sent in the inspectors, they withdraw the inspectors in order to facilitate the bombing. china has refused

to cooperate with the international inspector. so when they will help the organization put forward a plan to inspect the, the, the bar tricks china bulk and refused to deal with anyone other than their man which will be the de sac. so obviously the result of the w h o came up with was ludicrous, i mean, tended by someone who was an interested party. so i think this is a little bit different from the previous cases. it, but what is the same here as the market? this is there, there is no accountability, i mean, it's really quite remarkable in my, in my mind, just how all of these pay people fail upward. you can be really wrong. just about everything in your career, but you just get a better air condition office outside washington, d. c. when they're very nice income, given another mandate, the screw up and then you just keep moving bowler. nobody's ever held account. and all of these house could be seen in this century alone. and it's because this is

the professional literature. your boss protecting itself is a racket. go ahead. last answer goes the markets and the data that is a common pass. and, and we have seen this in the last 30 years. and specifically, since the dissolution of the soviet union, when america was very aware that it had no competition any longer on the international stage when they knew there was no counter balance. so american global design, and best for american politicians and american journalists, felt emboldened to say what ever they wanted about any subject matter as they pleased. so one of the things that any, all of this has in common is that the countries which our focus, which are targeted by american politicians or american mainstream journalists just

happens to be countries which pursue an independent foreign policy. we're going to discuss a little bit more about there and the next part of our program we're going to, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that your break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate on the me and i make no, certainly no borders and my number is emerge. we don't have a therapy. we go to the back scene, the whole world leads to take action and be ready. people are judge. 2 governors crisis and we can do better, we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way,

but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenges for the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are together in the welcome at the cross stop where all things are considered. i'm peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real issues. ah, ah okay . just go back to budapest. george has change gears here. all 3 of us have a long enough memory to remember when the whole issue of human rights was injected

into foreign policy. we are usually associated with jimmy carter. jimmy carter's name is john mentioned all the time these days. i would say for many wrong reasons, but in this case it's true. jimmy carter very much highlighted in principle. i have no problem with, but if it's weaponized, then i do have a problem with it. we saw in the anchorage some in the past few months when the secretary of state was lectured by his chinese counterpart and much of what the chinese delegate had to say could have been taken from the play book of the democratic party throwing, throwing it right back in them here, and other countries are doing this as well. mean if you can look at what, how can a country like the u. k. talk about human rights when julian assigns is languishing in prison. how, how, how can a country like the united states holding hundreds of people without bailed for the crime of what loitering because of the january 6

a riot here. i mean it's very easy to weaponized and it's one can do it and everyone can do it. and i think that this is something that is a shock to the professional managerial class is the only wheel are allowed to talk about valleys, not any one else. democracy ahead, george. that's exactly right. i mean, you remember during the cold war, you know, the west use of talk about human rights. we talk about political rights and then the soviet union would talk. oh yeah. all right. well, we may not be great. the political right. but we've got economic and social rights that you don't have. so you know, everyone, everyone has a job. everyone has a house. and so you know, we care. but people go to the west dismissed that argument because west was more prosperous. and so be going to say, well, we do better at this than you do. but i mean it became a west and a lot of fun with it in the days of the this is the so when you have c gaskin done

. yeah. and then you had, of course, also yes, and the song are already go. there's a lot of people are being prosecuted for what for their political views. i mean, they've done their committed no crime other than they were opposed to the government and it was the, you know, the west just had a lot of fun with that. and the soviet union really didn't have a very good onset of that. that has changed because now russia very good onset. i mean for instance, i mean we talked about this roman production. it's now growing. david was involved in instigating violence in off in the aftermath of the election in belarus. he was instigating it while he was in poland with the direct evidence that he was instigating it. he was in the as all but out and whatever he was doing that that is a while and organization. now you mentioned during his lunch. no, there's no evidence that all that he was involved in any kind of there's nothing on it. he, you know, publish information and yet that's is happening in the u. k. the very same u. k,

but lectures, others about media freedom. and then of course, you have the case of the, the capital riots where people, hundreds of people have been arrested that charge, that some of them are in prison without bail. they're in solitary confinement for war, for loitering, for trespassing. and the prosecution just gets to postpone again and again, we're bringing the cases to trial. why? because they want to use it for political ends as they move into an election year. so here you are clearly persecuting people for the holidays, so there's no record of it. no, no evidence of any of these people committed any violence that real crime is tito, except the legitimacy of the bi election victory. you can argue that you disagree

with it, but that that's all they hold the wrong views and they are being punished for it. so yeah, the tables have indeed been reversed markers. what really makes this tragic is that we should think about human rights. ok. and that is a legitimate area of concern here, but if you politicize that you cheap in it because then you're just looking to score points. you don't care about the cause you care about as a scoring appoint against your opponent in the media. i mean it's, is it just more of a p r strategy than it is having a genuine concern for the some people's rights being violated? i mean, that's what i find that is really, really sad about it is because it is in itself, it's a good idea. but the way it's being practice is in empowerment. ation and people in the hope that the idea of human rights itself is just completely denigrated, go ahead markets. what we have over the last for 2 years and especially the last 20

years is the appropriation and distortion of was a concept by liberals such as democracy, equality, racism, progressiveness diversity, and of course human rights. now, the aforementioned was a concept today in 2021 on a council town liberals, especially in america and in britain, have appropriated undistorted the maintenance of these so their own agendas means that these words and concepts have lost all meaning in the world today. so we see in america and also in britain neo liberal activists. for example, phone b woke cooling for racism to be counted by taking the knee in honor of a hardened criminal who. but go into the apartments of

a pregnant black woman and then a threatened to kill the same woman by japanese gun stock. that is absolutely homesick bought. it served as another demonstration that racism as was racism, and equality have lost all meaning. and if we turn to the american and british governments when it comes to, schumann writes, well, the americans and the british has never truly been committed to the concepts of human life during the cold war. and after the cold war. what i would argue the difference is that during the cold war, the mosque was more or less a chill on the faces of the americans. and the british bots, following the end of the cold war. and in particular, the dissolution of the u. s. off both countries became complacent. they became even

more arrogant, and that is when the mask drops, because they felt, as i said, moments ago, they could do as they please on the international states because there was no counter balance. so to day human rights is actually a weapon that can be used against the americans. and british, the british for instance, make no secrets back close strategic friendship and relationship with saudi arabia, which is one of the most abominable countries in the world. and the americans are still holding. prison isn't guantanamo who has not been charged with any offenses. so the americans and the british ought, in, in my opinion, quite in a precarious situation today, the likes of which they were not saying to in the cold war. so i believe martin, a complacency has helped to limit and we can that hold on the welds. but, you know,

george, you know, whenever you confront these people, they have one word for you, you're racist. i mean, it's not in my lifetime. i mean, you know, it, we've had times where, you know, when calling someone a socialist or something like that was like, oh my goodness. i mean we've gotten so far away from that now because they don't want to have a conversation. and then they end up using words like equity, like what the hell does that mean? ok, you don't agree with it. if you don't even understand it, you are a racist. i mean, this is how, but now, debate has become, become, has been now, is saying that you stand per human rights and it comes from those people. ok, you know, and you know, equity for all, but you know, but if you don't believe that you're somehow a rude and retrograde and then you can have a conversation. because if you don't leave an equity that you're not even worth talking to. i mean, this is the, this is destroying any kind of logical discourse. right. so that, that's exactly right. then i think marcus makes an excellent point about this broad

of black lives matter and this mandatory taking of the knee is there somehow by doing so. you are opposing racism. no, you are actually celebrating an organization that is dedicated to war, racism, leave aside the fact that it's obviously a multi $1000000.00 racket in which corporations shut out millions without even bothering to wonder where is the money going, you know, even to be like on it's been to really yeah, a lot of money can much of any organization in the world anywhere that disposed those tens of millions of dollars and no one off. what do you actually spending this money on? yeah, so that's, that's absolutely the case. but what is really happening is that you're getting that us, you gave france. and while you're being told still as if,

where you know this is still 975, and you lecture the world on human rights as we are exemplars of the respecting human right. where we're, where we're the with george, where we're the human rights for the best. exactly, that's another exactly i, this is the point that the president gotten made at the st. petersburg economic form that you attended. there people who had a rubber bullets shot of them. they lost their eyes. can you imagine if we did anything of the sort of a world would response and it was then, i mean, racism is one response. oh, what about is and what about as a know what about isn't, it's actually clearly indicated that, you know, actually the performance of the western countries is worse than i don't russia, russia actually treat it's prisoners war you mainly now. then will the western countries, i mean, the violence that is used against the people who protested against the lockdown,

the violence against the yellow vest. and now this brutal imprisonment of the people who are involved on january 6, clearly the west wreck or is it. we don't even have to go into saudi arabia, the west west, then rushes. 30 seconds gotta you, marcus. go ahead. well, i think it's a very depressing state of affairs and i think it's one that's not going to improve any time soon unless the ordinary person in america and in griffin, actually learns to say no, no to be one rabble who never answering so a conversation into a discussion because that risks losing an argument on the merits. so they will just simply end any prospects of a discussion by a critic houston. you will be racist all being islamic phobic or be in a fight. so unless people in america, britain say enough is enough,

we are going to take back our society than this cancer will just become worse and was this made this to them? i don't talk to ok that i don't know why gentlemen, that's all the time we have one of the i guess in the past and in let and i want to thank you for watching your doctor see you next time. remember the the summer solution. that's right, we don't look at the problem to look at the solution and that today we've got the one only marshall. our boss is the market analyst at levy institute research and tragic follower of the toronto police by maybe this is they? are they want to stand that

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