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ah with ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . unfortunately, we are witnessing a trend in media and they go from one news fiasco to another. the weapons of mass destruction story, the russia gate hoax hunter, his laptop back and bounties tail. and now the possible cobit lab leak story. why does anyone in their right mind even tune in any more the, the cross talking the media, i'm joined by my guess john verbally in new york. he is a political analyst, as well as

a former foreign correspondent in russia. in graphics. we have tom, verbally, he is a contributor with real americas voice. and in los angeles, we cross pie e and he is a corporate strategic planning. and independent economic analysts are a gentleman, cross talk roles and effects. that means you can jump in anytime you want pie. i always go to the person that got up early as for their program. and that's you because here exactly on the other side of the world as me. as i said in my introduction, what a people to anyone we know the ratings are really, really down. but i mean, in my introduction, i just gave you the easiest stories that they blundered over the last few years. and there is no correct there. they don't even recognize that they're, they, they, they misinformed the public, they, they, inside the public and they, and with no self reflection of how much damage it's being done here. and on top of that, all the story says, divide people, and it seems to be that their primary ideological motive is to divide. ok,

because who knows what's going on, you really have to make an effort to learn what's going on. because he watch cable and what will read the broad sheets your loss. maybe that's the point. go ahead, pye and los angeles, or generally regarding the corporate, mainstream media, they obey a ruling, trans atlantic, a lead establishment, not rigorous rules of journalism. anyone hearing that is paranoid simply hasn't read history, let alone done a simple google search on government molestation of a so called free press. over the past several decades. the news media is corrupted on just about everything. besides, i don't know, sports and weather reporting practically all other reporting is politicized. be a macro economic, geopolitical, or certainly the science of health care over the past year and a half. yeah, i mean, if i got to go to john, it'll, it looks like narrative always will. trump reality is a, because that's all we're given is, is approved by the professional manager,

real class narratives that we can talk about. you can't talk about this or will disappear, you with their friends in big tech, and then you know, the biggest one of all is the lab leak story. you know, now we're allowed to talk about it. well, who in the world has the right to tell us what we can say, what we can say, but they use coercion, we will disappear, you from public life? i mean, this is just absolute lunacy. so, you know, what is it, you know, there was a soviet thing, you know, the, the future is said, but the past is uncertain. and this is what's happening. go ahead. yeah. yeah. it was disgraceful a year ago in march, march 2020 when jer, i know it's 12530 year old journalists are calling dr. luc montagnier, who has a nobel prize invite biology. and these 25 year old journalists, a calling him a conspiracy theorist because he said the virus covered and he is from a lab. it's an absolute madness, peter. absolutely. we're living in the same firm that is these hacks,

these journalist attacks that they can criticize. a noble prize laureate. it is peer madness, but we know they work. they're just a p r agency, basically the major media. now, most of them are just working as p r. agents used for a powerful interest in, especially in the u. s. government, the british government been the democratic party, 1st and foremost, but also for corporate interest. well, whoever will pay them, and most journalists probably sincerely believe they're doing their job, but they don't realize that they are be manipulated by their editors of all by those above that. and that's what's really sad because a lot of journals, sincerely thing. they're journalists, they're fighting for the truth, they're gonna, you know, they're going to serve the public, that, that's what's really sad they need, they need to wake up. the journalist, the massive journals need to wake up, and they need to revolt against their superior. well, you know, maybe they equate journalism with advocacy because they're, they're not the same thing as matter fact. they're when you call mingle them, it is very, very dangerous because it colors what you see and understand. so, i mean, i think they call themselves journals, but they're really at advocates for an ideology here. you know, tom,

one of the interesting thing to say in doing to cross talk now over 10 years is that i've kind of distilled down what this program does is that we debunk all of this stuff. that's what we end up doing because they look at us is conjuring up crazy ideas and then we end up being right hooked every single time. but they never turn around and say, well you've got a point that they never say that, ok. what they do is they smear, you ok, that's what journalists do. they smear and you know what journalists also do, what they smear other journalists. ok, that's how about it is go ahead. tom in greenwich. no. europe, sir. i absolutely right. this is exactly what they do and your lead to the question is, is agenda driven media. they have an agenda and going back to a former president, trump, their agenda was to get him at our office. and as far as koby to virus was the perfect vehicle to do that. early on they criticize trump, we ban travel from china, they call them

a xena folk. and then the scientist actually created a scenario, a, the media, the whole conspiracy theory of a lab origin virus. right. at a back there was that lance a statement. yep. that said you were a conspiracy theorist. if you dare to think it came from the lab and the media didn't do any due diligence because the person behind that, the one who orchestrated that was dr. peter that sec, who was the person who funded the war hand lab. if that is the note screaming conflict of interest, i don't know what is yeah, well, you know, it in time if you know if this program and there's a few other places that you can go to and you could actually hear that. i mean, yesterday i saw dr. foul on one of these ridiculous morning programs that nobody watches. and, you know, it was just all chit chat about, you know, flowers on a table. and though the vice president's wife was there, and it was all very jovial, no one asked and like, by the way,

what was that exchange you had about gain of function with your colleague in the beginning of last year? nothing 0, absolutely 0. i mean, that is, that is the definition of just peer disinformation. if you don't agree with it, it doesn't exist pipe, agree with me or disagree with me on that. i mean, i agree with you. and then just with regard to this, will hon lab leak theory. and frankly, anthony found, she's now seemingly potentially being thrown under the bus will see where the narrative goes. they all appear kind of coordinated in order to deflect attention away from what beijing certainly and others around the world have been loudly adamant about in their formal state pronouncements as well as their english language press online for over a year. namely the need for us authorities to prudently investigate for dietrich maryland as well as other us labs around the world. bio labs regarding cove its

root causes. the who and china joint research concluded just in march that the will hon lab league theory lacks credibility, but that won't stop it from gaining atlantis is propaganda mileage. i mean, china's english language press c, g t n is loud about it, but it's verboten territory anywhere in corporate press. in the u. s. u k, or certainly other 5 ice nations, why? even i can follow up. i'm just some guy, but i can follow up on a c, g, t, n, piece in english, and think for myself as kind of millions of others. hence, this latest distraction with teen player found she in order to shift narratives. i mean, who writes these scripts for the press to then recite some neo con hacks with heidegger fetishes who never finished film school. i really interesting and all in my introduction i gave all of the, the, the ridiculous fiasco. you know, these people, it was orchestrated with people that are not very bright. ok. it's that is

obviously that's why they fall apart. and these, and these new quote what new stories are for other news people could to believe. ok, would say all this kind of nod their head ok, like fields and clapping here. you know, bit john, you know my, i want to make it clear to everyone here. i want to know what happened. ok. i'm not interested in blaming or punitive anything. i'm not interested in, i want to know what happened so we don't go through it again because for all the people that report upon it and for all the 5 g, like people they still get paid are doing really, really well. there are hundreds of millions of people around the world that are in distress right now because of this, and we need accountability and the get accountability. we need to know the truth for a change. go ahead, john new york. no, no, there's going to be no accountability because as we said, as we know, there's a really lead and there's a media that serves. this really leads and so there's never gonna be an accountability never been, never will be independent investigation. fact,

she won't be brought to justice. maybe he'll be thrown under the bus by people, obviously more powerful because he's just upon at the end of the day. but there is one moment here. i really want to emphasize that we're not we haven't talked about is the public. how does the public, how does the american public see this? and why do they fall for every time every time the american public at least 5060 percent, they fall for not entirely 100 percent. but 56 percent of people believe the lies and they fall for every time. why? because americans have effectively outsourced their thinking to the media. yeah, most americans, they, they cannot, they're so busy. they have so much debt. they're so much credit card debt their pay, the rent, pay the mortgage onto their smart people, but they have no time to think. so they just click ok and he said this scene and said that your time. so that's, that's what i'm going to think, because i have no time to think so. i festively, most americans out source, their thinking to the major media. the major media knows that the corporate media call them the party controlled media. they know that. and so they will trick they will deceive the american public every time and get away with it. yeah. accountable

. okay, let me go to, i'm going to go to tommy last minute here, right? y'all also, i would expand upon what john just said there is that if you don't agree, if you do descent, then you're a big it, then you're a racist, you're a transfer. now that's me or you, if you don't agree, go ahead, right? right before we go to the break right? now i'm here. that's right. and you know, is zeena fall or throw the list out there really is about silencing any opposition? what i find most right, frightening is silencing independent thought. that's what our country here in the u . s. is based on freedom of x correction, freedom of beliefs, freedom to assemble. and what the progressive democrat left want to do is silence that. and the media is there cheering them on way and, and also you know, in, with this labilly query, it's not, it's not really about china in my opinion. it's about the us government involvement in the this is what they're really, really were because they can be demonized. rush, a rand, chime,

and that's all that's all about new for us here. but if it's, if the u. s. government officials are involved in this than that in something really catastrophic that we have to consider. or i'm going to go to a short break here, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the media. stay with our the the, the as a korea professionals, bolt is much tougher on some than others. she was a year old myer by everybody. so why would somebody believe me, i was just a little girl. the price paid to, to, to achieve really was was how to read in the paper this morning. usa swimming coach, arrested, allegedly had sex with the 12 year old girls. this happens almost every week. we

get calls at the office. i get informed about one of my greatest fears is someone's going to start linking all this together. there's going to be a 60 minute documentary about youth coaches in sports like gymnastics. swimming. is that documentary? i see it on our tea. ah, welcome back to cross hock. we're all things considered on peter la bell to remind you about discussing the media. i the go back to los angeles high, one of the things i find very disturbing are these official narratives that we're forced to abide by. and in one of those narratives it has to do with science. now, a little over a year ago, i saw him to science. you know, i'm, you know, i'm, that i'm not great with math and kind of stuff. ok. and you know, when,

when suddenly, when the lancet comes out with an article, you know, you know, i'm not a science guy, but i know what the lancet is. and now i find out that's basically completely fraudulent here. i mean the to is to enforce these ideologies and these narratives . they destroy everything in their way. everything. now we do what is there like a fox news scientist or a c n n scientists? now, i mean, what's the worth of science? i mean the junk back to go ahead pine. well, 1st all, you bring up any of these issues to family, friends, colleagues, whoever. and they'll throw back this peer review issue will say, look, whatever you're citing to me, unless it's peer peer review approved never mind the plethora of controversies involving, essentially bought off peer review over decades. and the general. yeah, i mean, you're right. the corporate medias oddly stuck to a very strict script over the last certainly 20 months parodying,

essentially whatever anthony voucher and bill gates say, as if they're old testament prophets. meanwhile, alternative and foreign media online have consistently hosted countless m d 's, ph. d. 's are ends, nurses related specialists who are objecting to clearly assign, talking points from this n h, w, h o c, d, c, and big form a syndicate. essentially, because corporate media and corporate medicine ultimately obey the same a lead establishment and have for over a century. i mean, the media parents quote unquote, trust the science rather than supposing quackery online. yet not every specialist loudly objecting to these assigned orthodoxies is a quack. i mean, the late nobel laureate, kerry mullis who both invented their p c. r test and critique. it's institutional misuses certainly wasn't a crack a quack of any sort, but you wouldn't know that because the corporate press paints them as some drug

inspired loon or something. yeah, you know, john is like when i hear you know, trust the site and so actually that translates to my mind as shut up and listen and follow the leader. ok, that's what i how i read. when anyone tells me to follow the science, that means they got an angle that they got an angle there. ok. why do i feel that way? they made me do that. they make all feel that way after one hoax after another and then and you want me to get it, you sell me another the same bill of goods again here. i mean, this is really quite, i mean, what it does is it's going to, it's creating a fragmented society where nobody knows what to believe. and i'm absolutely convinced that particularly the liberal corporate media, they what they're, they're pinpointing their identifying for you who to hate. because the war, international war on terror has come home. and those are the people that are your enemies. you see it every single day, you know, biden's comments and culture with gas. we in my, my gas way. i mean,

by just saying, you know, bring it on civil war. it's completely irresponsible in the media just goes right along with it. go ahead, john. yeah, but that's, that's the goal. the goal is to create constant chaos. it's almost like a like a mouse strategy here. i maybe these people probably have never read malware, don't know much about him, but that is essence to strategy, create more chaos, turmoil and society kate's vision. and we see it, you know, just, just so you just 3 years know i was out of the country, right. from 1990 to 2013. so when i returned to the u. s. and late doesn't 13, a suddenly real is entirely different country and especially the tension. i'd never seen such tension since division before. and supposedly obama was going to bring the country together, but quite the opposite happened. and then i realized the media where i worked 15 years in the major media and i realize i left 2011 from the major media. and i realize that the major media had changed it. some simply had become an instrument of the ruined part of the ruling elite. and the main,

one of the new policies was creat turmoil, create division crate stress and tension in society. have people hate each other because why the ends is very simple. it's easier to rule them that yeah, he people divided and fighting each other. you know, one of the interesting things is that the, the media is i don't know how to describe it. it has not overcome or come to terms with with donald trump, because again, with this lab leak story because tom said one thing, it must be the opposite. but i mean, if trump said 2 plus 2 is 4 bit say he's a liar because he said it ok. i mean there are plenty things the former president said that i did not like and very strongly disagreed with. but you take it issue by issue and this is what the media has done. they have these, this trump derangement syndrome is just taken over their dna. i mean, you have to take everything case by case and try to verify the facts instead of just smearing it away because someone said it and, and also if you look at m s m,

b, c, they keep doing trump because they need the ratings. i mean, every single segment somehow goes back to the former president. i mean, it's been 6 months. life is moved on, but they live there. they, they, that's their space where they habitate. go ahead tom. peter, certainly they had an agenda agenda was to have everything trump and your 1st introduction listed. all the things that were connected to for president trump the way to media misguided it use it, abuse that but you know, the or you and the other panel symmetric keyboard is called a count bildy. look, i have a degree in molecular biology. i, i follow science, i follow data going into this pandemic. i was completely neutral, but as it time evolved, while my eyes and focus went on, doctor anthony found she because of all people, he had one job to do. protecting the united states from pandemic because he runs the infectious disease unit at an age, the national institutes of health,

and he oppose the china travel ban. he didn't agree that there was a problem. he was denied that there was a problem with the virus until mid march. that is just amazing to me because his job is anything would have been to exaggerate the risk, to go visit bureaucracy and to keep american safe. yet he did the complete opposite . and oh, by the way, he's the highest paid government official. he makes more money than president biden, is simply outrageous. need to call people accountable for their jobs. well, comment, it seems to me his primary function in his current position is to dole out of taxpayers money to pet projects that he likes and, and you know, gain a function which is a term i only learned over the past year. mean, he's basically the godfather of it, there's, it's documented, is documented all over the place if you want to know. so, i mean, that's quite peculiar. i mean,

why is american money doing this kind of experimentation in a foreign country when it was prohibited in the united states? i mean, can anyone just ask them not simple question. i don't, rand paul's been trying to do that. and again, he's just dismissed as being a fool, but he's a position. i mean, of all the people of congress i could ask an intelligent question and believe me, there aren't very many intelligent people in congress. he's the guy i noticed you're agreeing with me. thank you. go ahead. yeah, and i agree with tom and so i mean both guess press knobs getting back to just the press. they're not allowed to think or ask necessary questions just on this issue of anthony foul g. i mean, even if he was the most gifted immunology in the us, i mean, just assume that for split 2nd, his staying power and such a politically critical role should beg, deeper questions over the more esoteric aspects of health care and governance. i mean, you consider surgeon's general only, sir,

for your terms is appointed by the president. why? only 4 years when found, she is advised, every us president has since reagan. i was a kid when he came on board. i mean, why him, per se? is it purely due to scientific skill or do to like establishment relationships and frankly, deception skills the likes of which are no say the u. s. federal reserve chairs urge to retain vouchers. 80 years old keeps contradicting himself and complains about only getting like 4 hours of sleep nowadays. and yet he supposedly the most important physician in the world right now, because there's no one else out there to at least credibly vet the science as your other guest alluded to. you know, in john, i mean, again, i mean, he seems like a, the quintessential bureaucratic operator and he has amazing staying power, which i had never heard of the guy until all of this happened here. but i mean, but for me, this is all, you know, we're talking, the focus is on the media here, but it's the professional managerial class. we can take it away from left to right

here. it's more about a certain class and it's interest here. and they adore him because they reinforce narratives that are beneficial to them as a group of people. ok. and so that's why they naturally protect them because he's credential, but he's connected and he has the right zip code. ok. that's what it's all about. i see this is these people protecting their, their view of the world because it works for them. we are, you know, you know, they're all having wine in the shower and having brunch. ok. as so many people in the world are still recovering from all of this, and nobody wants to find out why apparently this is just abominable. go ahead, joe, for it. but he goes even deeper than that, because as we know, american society will america, the country where if you don't perform, you get fired, you should could be quite easily why we find out for you, for you, john, for tom, for pi. and me ok, go ahead, you're going right? yeah. but the fact that found to stay there as, as i said,

despite all his failures and mistakes speaks about the fact that these are people not to just enjoy having him there. but that there is really an agenda he's been put in place and i absolutely, i never use the term deep state. i never use that term. i don't like to use it, but now i taught for me to deny its existence. you could come, it's so obvious that there is a class of bureaucrats and group of bureaucrats inside the us government who do have an agenda. these people do work, think work and think long term. just a disclosure, my family has been working with the federal government for more than half a century. so i do have some insight knowledge about this. can't speak much about it, but it's real, it's real powerful interest interest in the us government. and these are people who think long term and they have their people on the right positions right, places, and they will keep them back to achieve that agenda. whatever it might be, you know, time, there's only one thing that gets in their way democracy. that's what gets in their way. they of whore it ok. why should happen?

half the population. why should 75000000 people have a say in politics? that's what they are poor. they. we believe they certainly believe that they are absolutely necessary and they're privileged. ok. because of their, their class standing and all of this here, this is all going in a very bad direction gentlemen. ok, because at one point it's a real can spiritual period got to get out of hand and then no one is going to know what to do. here, that's all the time we have, gentlemen. i want to thank my guest in new york and in los angeles. and thanks to our viewers for us here at our tcu takes time and remember the ah ah

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was one of the top american coaches. his victim was 15. despite the lawsuit. 8 years later he was appointed coach of the year, and he worked for another 26 years before finally being sentenced to 7 years in prison. little files also included dispatch from associated press reporting, the exclusion of mich ivy. a former olympic champion turned coats from his club for having intimate relations with several under age athletes. one of them later became his wife. usa swimming only saluted him in 2013 sean hutchinson. george kidney jack nelson. charles, the robbers, the roll call goes on us swimming, covered up dozens of cases. you know, if you were just some average coach here in indianapolis and you got arrested from last kid they would kick you out of swimming very simply. if you are a good coach. however.