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i'm action returns, we're going underground on earth. the stories buried in the circle, mainstream media coming up in the show as the china and russia snubbing g. 7. summit continues in cornwall and k. we speak the legendary author historian and activists. tar golly, about the meeting of the liberal leaders and ask how hope can be grasped from the jaws of despair when it comes to palestine and that makes protest and the police all the more coming up in today's going underground is after repeated threats against china and russia so cool, g 7 leaders in england continue to talk about the future of human kind from the economy to cove. it to climate catastrophe. the summit, guarded by thousands of extra members of the u. k. security forces is facing massive protests including from groups like extinction, rebellion used by birth johnson to justify new, arguably draconian, anti protest legislation. so how can protested descent really make any difference when power more and more lives in the hands of the one percent?

joining me now is the original rolling stones street fighting man, author an activist carrie gully, who has been at the heart of civil protest for decades. tag. thanks so much for coming back. gone. i should say it's been a week where there's been bombing across syria linked to these very g 7 powers, obviously, following on from may's 11 day war against garza and jerusalem, you will take 1st of all on the g 7 meeting in england during a pandemic. i'm not totally sure why they want to meet. i mean, why do they want to be a magnet or huge protest? this is the, our exercise to get their respective populations and citizens, ideologically prepared for what they're going to be doing economically. and which is extreme name all the time and what they're going to do, re, china and russia. i think the key issue obviously is,

i mean i didn't decision to take now. liberalism as we have mounted and to foreign money, whether it works, we will see. but the fact that this is an initiative which is being taken by a presence of it mocks, a shift within ruling circles in capitalism. and the 2nd question related to that, which they have to discuss, of course, is how long these huge corporations can get away without paying any taxes at all in the countries where they are aware of the invest and where they make money. whether they will come up with any satisfactory solutions as a matter of opinion, because in most cases, these logical operation, the new 1000000000 as fund quite a number of political parties, both in europe and the united states. so it's not easy to take them on. it will have to be up behind the scenes,

protracted negotiations to see how much these greedy bar shows are prepared to pay well. so as a print money, as they arranged the printing of more and more and more money. as you say, this very fundamental change in your liberal orthodoxy. there are reports again of refugees trying to cross the channel goes to england. and of course biden's vice president is meeting guatemala, telling the people of latin america do not come to the united states. a big mark changed to the tweets from bite and then come on harris during the election campaigns. do you think they've learned some things from the european union? they can pay off to stop the refugees from, from nature nation was because you did this. the question is, the european union, as reno paid off, large amounts of money to prevent the refugees from the syrian which is now being prolonged and kept going by the west. it should be stressed,

but they will not stay on the responsibilities they've never liked to do back in europe. i mean, i one say directly, but tom, seriously, when you people decide to go to wal, you should allocate amongst yourselves, preferably popular company. refugees are going to come in at the end of these was, or during these was, so if you all escalating and syria, you should say, germany half a 1000000 burton a quarter of a 1000000 cetera. so people are prepared saying this is what these countries are. countries are going to war, and this is the result. don't blame the refugees. blame those who create the refugee. so your ups position has always been marginally, was historically bad of the united states, the americans when they leave a country where they've either failed or inflicted heavy damage and just induce to

stalemate. i'm thinking now korea and vietnam do take in refugees from these countries, but largely from a social layer of population that has collaborated with. they don't do it for every but they doing the europeans tend to, to not to do even that as we see in debate taking place. and in the united states hall, this democratic regime to just carry on with trumps policies and mouth. so to read creek, which is either the same or my can even was thing, we just want to take, you mean, do you remember the brouhaha, the anger when prompted all this? how can he do this? now you have a government which on this front and on foreign policy is doing the same. so

it's, it's on this level. i mean, come on, harris says remarks to the south. americans pretty evolving, but they don't even have to altima or the yacht who draws lots of different things at the same time, can be brutish enough to keep the refugees that put them up in the appalling conditions and keep taking the billions that the e u. supplies lodge, it has to be set for rights history. so, i mean, why can these refugees, which are created by, was being fought by the west not be allowed to come to the concrete waiting the was mean, they have a certain political and moral responsibility to do this. so if you don't want refugees, don't make was that's a lesson. they refused to think of, you know,

where they're going to into the next a short bombing raid. they just carry on. they're doing it in syria. they're doing it in other parts of the middle east. a region now which is no, no peace since the 1st gulf or, and the sanctions imposed on iraq after it. there is a back story here. and that back story needs to be stressed all the time for the younger generations. these are not today's events. these are events which spring up from the last and the past was filthy and ugly, and no one seems to have learned to me this. we invite the tag exam, bassinger on turkey denies racism, but your vision of the world that complete drugs with the nature nation media coverage of the g 7 as the g 7 lead is talk about a rules based international order and how the fight now is against china,

obviously, bars, jones, ascending our aircraft carrier towards a chinese maritime borders. do you think? i mean, is a captive media that's covering the conference? the media in the west has been deteriorating and degenerate since the collapse of the. so let's face it and it's obvious that while the soviet union existed, they put up, you know, the, one of the prior piece was to show how different we are. so space on television. and in the mainstream newspapers was allocated to some dissenting voices as if to mock the russian and say, ha ha, you gone to that we can. and this process is now read such a stage that the mainstream media actually is behaving more and more like the old product i used to do when, you know, in the fifty's. so even the 60,

just affectively acting on behalf of the state and sometimes completely creatively, you can pick up more or less any paper whether it's the right rig tabloid, or where there's liberal guardian and on key issues. the line is virtually the same. i think some of our readers and listeners are punishing them for many other alternatives on television because of the development of technology. you can see news from on r t on 0, so on numerous have a channel that exists that monopoly is being broken, but obviously only for privileged people or people who can do is not everyone in the world as a computer or

a telephone make. you can watch this bad monopoly has been broken, and that's a huge step forward, which is why they now want to control twitter and facebook as well. so many people putting up pictures from palestine or interviews, and i just told this breeches or whatever standards they call it. is that what is that? what made this 11 day war in may different to previous was because they couldn't ignore the destruction in the mass killing of civilians and women and children. absolutely. they couldn't do it. and you know, these images, i mean, they've been punished just the euro by bombing, their office is 1st of all ages ago. then during the iraq war, especially after the gc, right, had no station said to them, these are all coordinates. please make sure you don't have grown attacks and rockets on this place that's. that's

a lot of them. after they will give them the code meant the use them and bombed the edges 0 headquarters. and they were disgusting images made by a canadian documentary filmmaker who showed the entire western media hold up and cuts her, seeing the fall of about with american soldiers cheering and doing this and that. and they stood up, gave it a standing ovation. the data is the level now of large chunks of the west. the media though action though one should say that the recent attacks on the images that have come out from that have created not a see change. i wouldn't use that phrase but have created a circle ship, both in public opinion, which is shocked. not you know that these things have been happening for years, but they shop now in gaza since 2008. if my memory's right non stop in the bathroom

is exactly the same bombings, children dying buildings being knocked down, shock, horror disappears. never mentioned again, but in a small way this has been going on every day in some shape or form either in the occupied territories or in israel itself. or in the fact that the new york times chose to publish on its front page. the pictures of all the kids that died in god, something to 5 years ago. it was israel says that there were anti and dome software in the associated press al jazeera building, that was, that was blown up tag. we'll take a short break. there were himmel from legendary author an activist char. golly, after this break. ah, i

safety harbor and last summer solutions every year we try to dig into the solutions and we've got a special guest today. jim counsellor of counsellor dot com the the the, the welcome back is the g 7 summit continues in cornwall surrounded by police to keep the protest as it may. i'm still here with those were an activist colleagues. all media seems to not directly link it to the g 7 leaders. this is israel, this is evil that yahoo faces no covenant, vote tomorrow in israel. they don't link it necessarily to british america. you nation arm sales to israel. that's killing these children. why?

sure. i mean, that's something which is inconceivable for west israel has been such a reliable relay, a west imperialism since 194849 onwards. that is something they cannot consider is punishing it for what it is doing. and people sometimes say to me, but, you know, do you think this could ever and i think and within 3 months, if the united states in particular and its allies imposed mimicry sanctions. and if necessary, economic sanctions on israel till it pulls out all its troops from the occupied areas to start off with and remove the settlements, they have to be removed. so i said that could be a dumont, which in olden times, some more grid sinus supported. but that's all gone now is through itself,

because the state run by these really far, right. and still they gave it so much leeway. so the war, the situation goes all the way to the next outrage. you know, the baton will probably be the same mean of the 1st in the $3.00 oh $1.00 which lasted 3 years. forced these re lease to negotiate. but they picked and chose who the negotiated with the leadership in killing this. not the leadership of being in the occupied last. i'm in israel itself. and this is been a problem which we don't discuss often enough in my opinion. is that the collaboration of the palestinian authority and the leadership has been a disaster story. even recently,

i was told as these horrific things were going on in july and jerusalem and garza and other parts of the country. the p l. o. leaders in a number of places were using security forces to dump and down demonstrations on the west. back this, this beam that out. well, the p a obviously denies that says it's all part of the resistance, but certainly what you're saying is that good, arguably by hand on a try. we on, on this program in the 1st few days, i mean, what about descent? i mean, you, you talking about how descent was arguably allowed a little bit more room in the so called mainstream media before the fall of the berlin wall. now we hear evidence from the spy cops inquiry here in britain concerning you, how they spied on you. and the people around you, the demonstrators today, outside the g 7, do they have reason to be frightened of the authorities more frightened than even you were in the over many is fighting for civil rights. well, i mean,

they'd be admitted that they had 14 officers and spied on me over 45 years. was like frightened not cruelly. and i'll tell you why, because there's very little i said in private on political issues that i didn't also say uplink. and they must have known that i said that on television, i said it on the radio. i said it meetings and i said, hope the private dinners, not a big secret, i think. and i'm saying i found you now. so it's not a question of being frightened, it's knowing they do it. but asking why do you do it mean what you need today. the situation is completely different, as we know when the counsellor p. i'm go survey lives by her own secret police with the backing up the c i o the cia with the

backing of around secret police or the government apparently. when i know, and if you remember not so long ago, we were told how often the stars he was in east germany was fine. non stop on the citizen. the west is doing exactly the same thing. actually they're doing it on a level much, much higher than this. every one can be spied. so the people demonstrating should be why right of infiltrate as being sent into the ranks and unit building relationships or whatever sort that is really the only one. and the fact that they can actually change anything by spying on people. i mean, i'll tell you the story. there was spies placed in 1917 by the crime,

bizarre and secret police and the leadership of the bulge gm commentary party. one affected it, they actually made the revolution. and the funny thing is the general running the crown, i used to say it's very funny. the bolsheviks is to be put in the boat u x and the mon. com. and they're giving a description of similar situations and fighting with each other, just like the bullets. make sure that i'm getting in fluids. the organization that does, but i mean, they were, you know, obviously that was a different situation. but what so different now? i mean, what will they get out a whole these spying pick up people? i mean, they already have laws to lock people up for months without a b, as opposed to being a disgrace. and then the new anti protest bill coming, coming through. i think i'll be,

will arguably maybe surprise that at least joe biden is talked about maybe subbing intellectual property rights for a little while on the coven vaccine. talking a little bit about saudi sales to saudi arabia for use on yemen. britain stands fast says we will continue selling the weapons to kill people in yemen. is there a sign that some of us allies are even more gung ho than joe biden and insecurity operators? it's true and they do it to show to show their loyalty to the concept of how the world is run and to say to the us, we have we in defending you better than you can do your sales, which is in this whole notion which i've ated you know, nonsensical notion that there is something called an international community. it's not, there is no international community. there's the united nations security council

where a retail can stop anything back in the united states knows this is the international community. it goes and does what it wants every reg, as for forest johnson, sending an aircraft gallery and to china. it's patrick. it's to show loyalty. it's to show we are, we will be with you always. i mean, blair was even worse than johnson actually in sucking up to the americans and they are very nervous. now having left the left, the keep are in europe as far as the u. u. s. is concerned, is not truth. be told it's germany, it's been that behind the scenes for some time smell sort of even open. that is the country with which the u. s. is really interested in maintaining a very close relationship. when they take for granted. germany cross has over this

russian nordstrom to deal at the moment. yeah. you see the problem with the german government has been there for some time as long as us troops stationed in that concrete and think about the war ended in 1945. the west port and well known nazis and cautious and key positions in the army and intelligence services. 40 to 45 percent of the judiciary, the army. and so the top ross were not changed. same in japan, yet in both these countries, they still have military bases. and so both these got increased japan, more than germany, have no real sovereignty. the hatred of russia now is not related in particular to what, who to may or may not do. it's related to the fact that the russian government has

taken back its sovereignty. that gorbachev in his week when years thing and a completely craven way had given up all we crossed, you will do what you want and got no concessions or toll apart from global ones. on nato nature will not extend its frontiers, etc, etc, which they have broken with impunity. so it was necessary for any government in russia to take packet sovereignty. and as far as the chinese confirm, who in doubt now to pay in many ways, the sort of most important country in the world, the economically and they're not going to be treated like they were before. so all this military threats and saber rattling and aircraft carriers is going to have known him. the chinese are the most important concrete. there was now, there are people in the united states who are thinking we, we couldn't russia

a long time ago, decades ago, by making a block with china. and we succeeded to a certain extent in doing that. perhaps we should do a deal with the russians to weaken china. they told they think in those terms that if we can get russia on side, we can then use them. i myself, am not sure that even if they try this seriously, it's going to work because people have a few lessons and you know, this is what has been going on of the last 5 or 6 years have affected different parts of the world. i mean, i will say this to you that it's very interesting that when both scenario 1st came to find brazil, the western media, including the financial times, will very pleased economically. it's not levels back radical, but they were please. now they are so horrified by what is doing to that country.

and lulu was standing and opinion poll ratings are doing higher and higher, and that the german british ambassadors in brazil, you called on lula and said, we want you to take whatever costs and we are prepared to support. you probably deny this. i know it's a fact as if lula doesn't know what's been going on and we backed the google against him and against delma when the who back to the us the us. what is it just very briefly then? i mean all the g 70 is presume we are agreed that they want to overthrow the government of venezuela. still over the bar. as john's in hosted one way to hear africa, just a charity case, presumably talked about as go with vaccines and you said it's the stage they've steve just lost it to the china. do you think something really significant is

changing in that the macro busy? we have these rumors of castillo and emperor. yeah, i think the, the, you know, contrary to what terminal is said, i never the thing tied was totally over. because the think tied as it was cold was effectively a form of social democracy. sometimes not even to left, backed by mass movements against the right. that's what this movement was that it's most radical underwood, travis, and radical, you know, on the lesser level in other parts. i mean, we've seen decrease 9 bolivia where the code up to top of april has been defeated in peru. they tried very hard to make this sort of totally corrupt far right. fuji murray, lady was fathers, an ex president, still in prison, charged with murder in argentina and is being shipped so it goes up and down.

and clearly there's been a huge victory for people who want a new constitution, a huge defeat for the trillium center party, and for the right wing and kidney. so i one shouldn't give up on south america and look, i'm to fire again. he will try and work, i think, with china and russia, and not with the to work, try and bring him down, and then venezuela, the fans so far toward the venezuela. nami would crumble. the venezuelan generals could be bought with dollars and they would then organize a friendly call to bas to jews name i forgot who they paraded around europe and north america, the actual president. i mean, that's a joke. they don't even know what they're doing. no one takes this sort of behavior seriously. whatever wayland state as being solid and resisting attempts to topple

my stance, they have experience from the they know what happens when you do well, there's more on that in america and i, you, jim channel john. golly, thank you. thank you. that's the show. we'll be back on monday to talk about a future. very different from the one and visited by g 7 leaders in england. we told capitalism, democracy and the potential for war on china with venture capitalist and political scientist. eric lee until then follow us on social media and a story. and if you're following on youtube, comment below and tell us about the time you protest, if it's something you believe in the sanction, rarely weren't rarely work except maybe a week, maybe a month. but the world always figures a way to get around the same whether it's whatever it is that's was anxious, don't work. college tuition, you get the city. and they say, see,

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