[000:00:00;00] the who's i'm action returns, we're going underground. unearthing the story is buried in the circle, mainstream media coming up on the show as the china and russia snubbing g. 7 summit continues in cornwall in the u. k. we speak the legendary of a historian, an activist. golly, about the meeting of the liberal leaders and ask how hope can be grasped from the jaws of despair when it comes to palestine, pandemic project, and the police. all the small coming up in today's going underground is after repeated threats against china and russia. so cool, g 7 leaders in england continue to talk about the future of human kind from the economy to cobra. to climate catastrophe. the summit,

guarded by thousands of extra members of the u. k. security forces is facing massive protests including from groups like extinction. rebellion used by birth johnson to justify new, arguably draconian, anti protest legislation. so how can protest descent really make any difference when power more and more lives in the hands of the one percent? joining me now is the original rolling stones street fighting man, author an activist carrie gully, who has been at the heart of civil protest for decades tag. thanks so much for coming back. gone. as you'd say, it's been a week where there's been bombing across syria linked to these very g 7 powers. obviously, following on from may's 11 day war against garza and jerusalem, you will take 1st of all on the g 7 meeting in england during a pandemic. i'm not totally sure why they want to meet. i mean, why do they want to be a magnet for huge protest? this is not the f

b r exercise to get their respective populations and isn't ideologically prepared for what they're going to be doing economically. and which is extreme name, ultimate and what they're going to do, re, china and russia. i think the key issue obviously is i mean, items decision to take now. liberalism, as we have known it and to for in money whether it works on all we will see. but the fact that this is an initiative that was being taken by a president of marks, a shift within ruling circles in capitalism. and the 2nd question related to that, which they have to discuss, of course, is how long these huge corporations can get away without paying any taxes at all in the countries where they are and away the invest and where they make money.

whether they will come up with any satisfactory solutions as a matter of opinion, because in most cases, these logical operation, the new 1000000000 as fund quite a number of political parties, both in europe and the united states. so it's not easy to take them all. it will have to be up behind the scenes, protracted negotiations to see how much these greedy bod shows are prepared to pay well. so as a print money, as they arrange the printing of more and more and more money. as you say, this, this very fundamental change in the liberal orthodoxy. there are reports again of refugees trying to cross the channel to go to england. and of course, biden's vice president has been in guatemala, telling the people of latin america do know what to come to the united states, a big mark, change to the tweets from biden, and kamala harris during the election campaigns. do you think they learn something from the european union?

they can pay off to stop the refugees from from nature nation? was it goes down you did this. the question is the european union, as reno paid off, large amounts of money to prevent the refugees from the syrian which is now being prolonged and kept going by the west. it should be stressed, but they will not stay on the responsibilities on what they've never liked to do back in europe. i mean, i one say that directly, but tom, seriously, when you people decide to go to wall, you should allocate amongst yourselves, preferably popular company, refugees are going to come in at the end of these was or during these was so if you all. ready escalating and syria, you should say domini half a 1000000 burden, a quarter of a 1000000 type grad cetera. so people are prepared saying this is what these

countries are. countries are going to war and this is the result. don't blame the refugees. blame those who create the refugee so your position has always been marginally, was historically been bad of the united states, the americans when they leave a country where they've either failed or inflicted heavy damage and just induce to stalemate. i'm thinking now korea and vietnam do take in refugees from these countries, but largely from a social population that has collaborated with. they don't do it for everyone, but they doing your opinions tend to, to not to do even that as we see in front of debate taking place and in the united states for this democratic regime

to just carry on with trumps policies and mouth. so to red creek, which is either the same or my can even was thing, we just want to take, you mean, do you remember the brouhaha, the anger when prompted all this? how can he do this? now you have a government which on this front and on foreign policy is doing the same. so it's, it's on this level. i mean, tamala, harris says, remarks to lease out to americans pretty evolving, but they don't even have to halted or the yeah. who drove lots of different things at the same time, can be brutish enough to keep the refugees that put them up in the appalling conditions and keep taking the billions that the e u. supplies have large. it has to be set for. right. so, i mean, why can these refugees, which are created by,

was being fought by the west not be allowed to come to the concrete way to the was mean they have a certain political and moral responsibility to do this. so if you don't want refugees, don't make was that's a lesson. they refused to think of, you know, where they're going to into the next a short bombing raid. they just got re on, they're doing it in syria. they're doing it in other parts of the middle east, a region now which is no, no peace since the 1st gulf or, and the sanctions imposed on iraq after it. there is a back story here. and that back story needs to be stressed all the time for the younger generation. these are not today's events. these are events which spring up from the last and the past was filthy and ugly. and no one seems to have learned

timmy this. we invite the tag exam bassinger on we see turkey denies racism, but your vision of the world that complete drugs with the nature nation media coverage of the g 7 as the g 7 lead is talk about a rules based international order and how the fight now is against china, obviously bars, jones of sending our aircraft carrier towards chinese maritime borders. do you think? i mean, is a captive media that's covering the conference the media in the way it's has been deteriorating and degenerating since the collapse of the oh, so let's face it. and it's obvious that while the soviet union existed, they put up, you know, the, one of the priorities was to show how different we are. so space on television. and

in the mainstream newspapers was allocated to some dissenting voices as if to mock the russian and say, how you can do that. we can. and this process is not reach such a stage that the mainstream media actually is behaving more and more like the old province used to do women, you know, in the fifty's. so even the 60, just effectively acting on behalf of the state and sometimes completely and creativity, you can pick up more or less any paid. but whether it's the right rig tabloid, or whether it's a liberal guardian and on key issues. the line is virtually the same. i think some of our readers and listeners are punishing them for it and many other alternatives on television because of the development of technology. you can see news from on

r t on 0. so on numerous, i've a channel that exists that monopoly is being broken, but obviously only for privilege people or people who can do or not everyone in the was as a computer or telephone rate. you can watch this back. monopoly has been broken and that's a huge step forward, which is why the now want to control twitter and facebook as well. so many people putting up pictures from palestine or interviews and i just told this breeches or whatever standards they call it. is that what is that? what made this 11 day war in may different to previous was because they couldn't ignore the destruction in the mass killing of civilians and women and children. absolutely. they couldn't do it. and you know, these images, i mean,

they've been punished just by bombing their offices 1st of all ages ago. then during the iraq war, especially after the gc, right, had no station said to them, these are all coordinates. please make sure you don't have grown attacks. and rockets on this place that's, that's a lot of them after they will give them the code that they use them and bombed the agency or headquarters. and they were disgusting images made by a canadian documentary filmmaker who showed the entire western media hold up and cuts her, seeing the fall of about with american soldiers cheering and doing this and that. and they stood up, gave it a standing ovation. the data is the level now of large chunks of the west. the media though action though one should say

that the recent attacks on the images that have come out from that have created not a c change. i wouldn't use that phrase but have created a circle ship, both in public opinion, which is shocked. not you know that these things have been happening for years, but they shop now in gaza since 2008. if my memory's bright non stop in the bathroom, is exactly the same bombings, funeral, and dying buildings being knocked down, shock, horror disappears. never mentioned again, but in a small way this has been going on every day in some shape or form either in the occupied territories or in israel itself. or in the fact that the new york times chose to publish on its front page. the pictures of all the kids that died in gaza is something that happened 5 years ago because israel says that there were

anti and dome software in the associated press. al jazeera building, that was, that was blown up tag. we'll take a short break. there were himmel from legendary author an activist char collie. after this break the safety harbor and some are solutions every year we try to dig into the solutions and we've got a special guest today. jim counselor of consular dot com these are the 4 people who pulled the trigger, survive something on survival. one of the hardest things that i had the face was not having a face at a low patient life. i accepted the accept the fact that i made that appointment. we

had no fears. del change pretty fast for shots. different stories behind the bullets. the welcome back is the g. 7 summit continues in cornwall surrounded by police to keep the protest as it may. i'm still here with those were an activist colleagues. all media seems to not directly link it to the g 7 leaders. this is israel, this is evil that yahoo faces are no covenant for tomorrow. in israel. they don't link it necessarily to british america. you nation arm sales to israel, that's killing these children. why should i mean that's something which is inconceivable for the west, israeli has been such a reliable relay a western imperialism since 194849 onwards. that if something they cannot consent to is punishing it for what it is doing. and people sometimes say to me, but,

you know, do you think this walk whatever and i could walk. and within 3 months, if the united states in particular and its allies imposed mimicry sanctions. and if necessary, economic sanctions on israel till it pulls out all its troops from the occupied areas to start off with and removes the settlements, they have to be removed. so i think that could be a dumont, which in odin time, some more good sign is supported, but that's all gone now is through itself because the state run by these really far, right. and still they give it so much a leeway. so the war, the situation goes on, the wait till the next outrage. you know, the pattern would probably be the say, i mean the 1st in the $3.00,

oh $1.00 which lasted 3 years. forced leaves re lease to negotiate, but they picked and chose who they negotiated with the leadership in killing this not the leadership of the in the in the occupied last. i'm in israel itself. and this is been a problem which we don't discuss often enough in my opinion, is that the collaboration of the palestinian authority in the leadership has been a disaster story. even recently, i was told as these horrific things were going on and check john jerusalem. and garza and other parts of the country. the p l o. leaders in a number of places were using security forces to dump and down demonstrations on the west back. this is beam that out. well, the p a obviously denies that says it's all part of the resistance,

but certainly what you're saying is that good, arguably by hand on a try. we on, on this program in the 1st few days, i mean, what about descent? i mean, you, you talked about how descent was arguably allowed a little bit more room in the so called mainstream media before the fall of the berlin wall. now we hear evidence from the spy cops inquiry here in britain concerning you, how they spied on you. and the people around you, the demonstrators today, outside the g 7, do they have reason to be frightened of the authorities more frightened than even you were in the over many is fighting for civil rights. well, i mean, they'd been mitchell debated 14 officers and spied on me over 45 years. was life frightened? look really. and i'll tell you why. because there's very little i said in private on political issues that i didn't also say uplink. and they must have known that i

sent it on television. i said it on radio. i sent it to meeting and i said it had ho private dinners. it's not a big secret, i think, and i'm seeing as i'm with you now. so it's not a question of being frightened, it's knowing they do it. but asking why do you do it mean what you need today. the situation is completely different, as we know when the counsellor p. i'm the surveillance by her own secret police with the backing of the c i or the cia with the backing of around secret police or the government within. i knew, and if you remember not so long ago, we were told how often the stars he was in east germany was fine. non stop on the citizen. the west is doing exactly the same thing. actually they're doing it on a level much,

much higher than the stuff every one can be spied all. so the people demonstrating should be why right of infiltrate as being sent into by ranks and unit building relationships or whatever sort. that is really the only one and the fact that they can actually change anything by spying on people. i mean, i'll tell you the story. there was spies placed in 1917 by the crime, bizarre and secret police and the leadership of the bulge gm dementia. one affected it, they actually made the revolution. and the funny thing is the general running the crown i use to say it's very funny. the butcher makes is to be put in the boat, you x and the mon, they come and they're giving a description of similar situations and fighting with each other just like the

voltage makes in the you i was getting in fluids. the organization that does, but i mean, they were, you know, obviously that was a different situation. but what so different? i mean, what will they get out? a whole these spying pick up people. i mean they already have lost locked people up for months without abs. know it's been a disgrace and the new energy protest bill coming, coming through. i think some people may be surprised that at least joe biden is talk about maybe stopping intellectual property rights for a little while on the covert vaccine. talking a little bit about saudi, our sales to saudi arabia for use on yemen. britain stands fast says we will continue selling the weapons to kill people in yemen. is there

a sign that some of us allies are even more gung ho than joe biden and insecurity operators? it's true and they do it to show to show their loyalty to the concept of how the world is run and to say to the us, we have we in defending you better than you can do your sales, which is pathetic. and this whole notion which i've ated, you know, nonsensical notion that there is something called an international community. it's not, there is no international community. there's the united nations security council where a retail can stop anything back in the united states. no space is the international community. it goes and does what it wants everywhere. as for forest johnson, sending an aircraft gallery and to china. patrick, it's to show loyalty. it's to show we are, we will be with you. always. i mean,

blair was even worse than johnson and sucking up to the americans and they are very nervous now having left the that the keep are in europe as far as the u. u. s. is concerned, is not the truth be told it's germans. it's been that behind the scenes for some time smell sort of even open, that is the country with which the u. s. is really interested in maintaining a very close relationship and they take for granted. germany, of course, has over this russian nordstrom to deal at the moment. yeah, you see the problem with the german government has been there for some time as long as us troops stationed in that concrete and think about the war ended in 1945, the west port in well known nazis and crashes and key positions in the army and

intelligence services 40 to 45 percent of the judiciary, the army. and so the top ross were not changed. same in japan, yet in both these countries, they still have military bases. and so both these got increased japan, more than germany, have no real sovereignty. the hatred of russia is not related in particular to what may or may not do. it's related to the fact that the russian government has taken back its sovereignty. that gorbachev in his week when years been in a completely craven way, had given up all the crops to we do what you want and got no concessions a toll apart from verbal ones on nato. nature will not extend its frontiers, etc, etc,

which they have broken with impunity. so it was necessary for any government in russia to take back in sovereignty. and as far as the chinese complained, who in doubt now to pay in many ways, the sort of most important country in the world, the economically and they're not going to be treated like they were before. so all this military threats and saber rattling and aircraft carriers is going to have known him, the chinese are the most important concrete. there was no, there are people in the united states who are thinking we, we couldn't russia a long time ago, decades ago, by making a block with china. and we succeeded to a certain extent in doing that. perhaps we should do a deal with the russians to weaken china. they told they think in those terms that if we can get the right side, we can then use them. i myself,

am not sure that even if they try this seriously, it's going to work because people have a few lessons and you know, this is what has been going on of the last 5 or 6 years has looked at different parts of the world. i mean, i would say this to you that it's very interesting that when both scenario 1st came to find brazil, the western media, including the financial times, will very pleased economically. it's not levels back radical, but they were please. now they are so horrified by what ro is doing to that country . and lulu was standing and opinion poll ratings are doing higher and higher. that the german british ambassadors in brazil, you called on lula and said we want you to take whatever costs and we are prepared to support. you probably deny this. i know it's

a fact as if lula doesn't know what's been going on. and we backed the google against him and against delma when the who back to the us the us. what is it just very briefly then, i mean all the g 70 is presume we are agreed that they want to overthrow the government of venezuela. still over the bars johnson hosted one way to hear africa just a charity case, presumably talked about as go with vaccines and, and you said it's the stage they seem to have lost it to the china. do you think something really significant is changing in that, in america? obviously we have these rumors of castillo and emperor. yeah, i think the, you know, contrary to what terminal it said, i never believed the thing tied was totally over. because the think tied as it was cold was effectively a form of social democracy. sometimes not even to left, backed by mass movements against the right. that's what this movement was that it's

most radical under travis and radical, you know, on the left level in the mean we've seen decrease 9 bolivia where the code up to topple. april has been defeated in peru. they tried very hard to make this sort of totally corrupt far right. fuji murray, lady was fathers, an ex president of the still in prison, charged with murder, an argentine of this being shipped. so it goes up and down in the kidney. there's been a huge victory for people who want a new constitution. you want to create for the trillion center party and for the right wing infinity. so i want to give up on south america and look, i'm to far, again, he will try and work. i think with china and russia and not with the

world to try and bring him down and in venezuela, defense so far toward the venezuela. nami would crumble, the venezuelan generals could be bought with dollars and they would then organize a friendly call to, to jews name i forgot who they paraded around europe and north america, the actual president. i mean, that's a joke. they don't even know what they're doing. no one takes the sort of behavior seriously whatever, route shortcomings, he's state and government as well in states as being solid and resisting attempts to topple my stance. they have experience from the past. they know what happens when you do well, there's more on that in america now youtube channel, john gallery. thank you. thank you. that's the show. we'll be back on monday to talk about a future. very different from the one visit by g 7 leaders in england. we told capitalism, democracy and the potential for war on china with venture capitalist and political

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