k security forces is facing massive protests including from groups like extinction, rebellion used by both johnson to justify new, arguably draconian, anti protest legislation. so how can protest a descent really make any difference when power more and more lies in the hands of the one percent join me now is the original rolling stones street fighting man, author an activist carrie gully, who has been at the heart of civil protests for decades tag, thanks so much for coming back. gone. i should say it's been a week where there's been bombing across syria linked to these very g 7 powers. obviously, following on from may's 11 day war against garza and jerusalem, you will take 1st of all on the g 7 meeting in england during a pandemic. i'm not totally sure why they want to meet. i mean, why do they want to be a magnet for huge protest? this is not the f b r exercise to get their respective populations and citizens,

ideologically prepared for what they're going to be doing economically. and which is extreme name, ultimate and what they're going to do, re china, and on a lesser scale re russia. i think the key issue obviously is i mean, items to session to take. now liberalism, as we have mounted and to foreign money, whether it works on all we will see. but the fact that this is an initiative which has been taken by a present, it marks a shift within ruling circles in capitalism. and the 2nd question related to that, which they have to discuss, of course, is how long these huge corporations can get away without paying any taxes at all in the countries where they are and away the rest and where they make money. whether they will come up with any satisfactory solutions matter of opinion,

because in most cases, these logical operations to new 1000000000 as fund quite a number of political parties, both in europe and the united states. so it's not easy to take them on. it will have to be up behind the scenes, protracted negotiations to see how much these greedy bod shows are prepared to pay well. so as a print money, as they arrange the printing of more and more and more money. as you say, this, this very fundamental change in your liberal orthodoxy. there are reports again of refugees trying to cross the channel to go to england. and of course, biden's vice president is meaning guatemala, telling the people of latin america do not to come to the united states, a big mark changed to the tweets from bite, and then come on harris during the election campaigns. do you think they've learned something from the european union they can pay off to stop the refugees from,

from nature nation? was because you did this. the question is the european union, as reno paid off, large amounts of money to prevent the refugees from the syrian law which is now being prolonged and kept going by the west. it should be stressed, but they will not take on the responsibilities on what they've never liked to do back in europe. i mean, i one say that eric lee, but tom, serious the, when you people decide to go to wall, you should allocate amongst yourselves, preferably popular company, refugees are going to come in at the end of these was or during these was so if you all escalating and syria, you should say, many, half a 1000000 burton, a quarter of a 1000000 cetera. so people are prepared saying this is what these countries are concrete, they're going to war, and this is the result. don't blame the refugees. blame those who create the

refugee. so europe's position has always been marginally, was historically going back of the united states, the americans when they leave a country where they've either failed or inflicted heavy damage and just induce the stalemate. i'm thinking now korea and vietnam do take in refugees from these countries. but largely from a social population that has collaborated with, they don't do it for everyone, but they doing the europeans tend to, to not to do even that. as we see in found the debates are taking place and in the united states for this democratic regime to just carry on with trumps policies and mouth. so to write creek,

which is either the same or my can even worse thing, we just want to take, you mean, do you remember the brouhaha, the anger when prompted all this? how can he do this? now you have a government which on this front and on foreign policy is doing the same. so it's, it's on this level. i mean, tamala, harris says, remarks to the south. americans look pretty appalling, but they don't even have to alter the yeah. who drove lots of different things at the same time, can be brutal enough to keep the refugees that brought them up in the following conditions. and keep taking the billions that the e u. supplies have large. it has to be set for rights history. i mean, why can these refugees, which are created by, was being fought by the west not be allowed to come to the concrete waking the was

mean, they have a certain political and moral responsibility to do this. so if you don't want refugees, don't make was that's a left when they refuse to think of, you know, where they're going to into the next a short bombing raid. they just carry on. they're doing it in syria. they're doing it in other parts of the middle east, a region now which is no, no peace since the 1st gulf or, and the sanctions imposed on iraq after it. there is a back story here. and that back story needs to be stressed all the time for the younger generations. these are not today's events. these are events which spring up from the last and the was filthy and ugly. and no one seems to have blown timmy this. we invite the tag, jam bassinger, on. obviously turkey denies racism but your vision of the world

that complete drugs with the nature nation media coverage of the g 7 as the g 7 lead is talk about a rules based international order and how the fight now is against china. obviously, bars, jones, of sending our aircraft carrier towards chinese maritime borders. do you think? i mean, is a captive media that's covering the conference the media in the way it's has been deteriorating and degenerate since the collapse of the. so let's face it. and it's obvious that while the soviet union existed, they put up, you know, the, one of the priorities was to show how different we are. so space on television and in the mainstream newspapers was allocated to some dissenting voice as if to mock

the russian and say, how you can do that. we can and this process is not reach such a stage that the mainstream media actually is behaving more and more like the old prophet used to do women, you know, in the fifty's. so even the 60, just affectively acting on behalf of the state and sometimes completely and creativity, you can pick up more or less any day. but whether it's a right rig tabloid, or whether it's a liberal guardian and on key issues, the line is virtually the same. and i think some of our readers and listeners are punishing them for it. and many other alternatives on television because of the development of technology. you can see news from on our t on 0, our sewer on. numerous, i've

a channel that exists so that monopoly is being broken, but obviously only for privilege people or people who can do is not everyone in the world as a computer or a telephone mate. you can watch this, that monopoly has been broken, and that's a huge step forward, which is why they now want to control twitter and facebook as well. so many people putting up pictures from palestine or interviews and i just don't. this reaches out whatever standards they call and it is not what is that what made this 11 day war in may different to previous was because they couldn't ignore the destruction and the mass killing of civilians and women and children. absolutely. they couldn't do it. and you know, these images, i mean they have punished just the europe by bombing their office is 1st of

all ages ago. then during the iraq war, especially after the jersey, right? head of station said to them, these are our ordinates. please make sure you don't have grown attacks and rockets on this place. that's exactly what happens after they will give them the coordinate, the use them and bombed the 0 headquarters. and they were disgusting images made by a canadian documentary filmmaker who showed the entire western media homed up and cuts her seeing the fall of broke about with american soldiers cheering and doing this and that. and they stood up, gave it a standing ovation. the data is the level now of large chunks of the west. the media though action though one should say that the recent attack from the images that have come out from that

have created not a c change. i wouldn't use that phrase but have created a circle ship, both in public opinion, which is shocked. not you know that these things have been happening for years, but they shop now in gaza since 2008. if my memory's bright non stop in the bathroom, is exactly the same bombings, children dying buildings being knocked down, shock, horror disappears. never mentioned again, but in a small way this has been going on every day in some shape or form either in the occupied territories or in israel itself, or in gossip. the fact that the new york times chose to publish on its front page the pictures of all the kids that died in gaza is something that happened 5 years ago. because israel says that there were anti and dome software in the associated press, al jazeera building, that was, that was blown up tag. we'll take

a short break. there were himmel from legendary author an activist char. golly, after this break, i don't know. some fits in there. were rescuing the food that they were scabbing or, or where were rescuing resources that are still good. this is best by march 21st, which is in 2 days. all these potatoes hall panels, onions, all of these came from waste round sources. the. this is great for me because i'm always looking for a way to give things away. dr. because the tax laws, you know, definitely do benefit the wealthier people in our society. so that makes sense for them to throw it out right off, rather than give it to somebody who could use it, then that person is not going to buy it.

safety harbor and some are solutions every year. we try to dig into the solutions and we've got a special guest today, jim counsellor of counsellor dot com the welcome back of the g. 7 summit continues in cornwall surrounded by police to keep the protest as it bay. i'm still here with those. we're an activist colleague, all media seems to not directly link it to the g 7 leaders. this is israel. this is evil that yahoo faces are no governance for tomorrow. in israel. they don't link it necessarily to british america. you nation arm sales to israel. that's killing these children. they never. why should i mean, that's something which is inconceivable for west israel has been such a reliable relay, a western imperialism since 194849 onwards. that if something they cannot

consent to is punishing it for what it is doing. and people sometimes say to me, but, you know, do you think this war could ever and i could, could. and within 3 months, if the united states in particular and its allies imposed mimicry sanctions. and if necessary, economic sanctions on israel till it pulls out all its troops from the occupied areas to start off with and remove the set for months, they have to be removed. so i think that could be a demand, which in time some more good sign is supported, but that's all gone now is through itself because the state run by these really far, right. and still they gave it so much leeway. so the war, the situation goes all the way to the next outrage. you know,

the pattern would probably be the say, i mean the 1st in the $3.00, oh $1.00 which lasted 3 years. forced these re lease to negotiate, but they picked and chose who they negotiated with the leadership in killing this not the leadership of being in the occupied last. i'm in the israel itself. and this is been a problem which we don't discuss often enough in my opinion. is that the collaboration of the palestinian authority and the leadership has been a disaster story. even recently i was told as these horrific things were going on in july and jerusalem and gaza and other parts of the country. the p l. o . leaders in a number of places were using security forces to dump and down demonstrations on

the west back. this is beam that task. well, the p a obviously denies that says it's all part of the resistance, but certainly what you're saying is that good, arguably by hand on a try. we on, on this program in the last few days, i mean, what about descent? i mean, you, you talking about how descent was arguably allowed a little bit more room in the so called mainstream media before the fall of the berlin wall. now we hear evidence from the spy cops inquiry here in britain concerning you, how they spied on you. and the people around you, the demonstrators today, outside the g 7, do they have reason to be frightened of the authorities more frightened than even you were in the over many is fighting for civil rights. well, i mean, they'd be admitted that they had 14 officers expired on me over 45 years. was like frightened not crudely. and i'll tell you why,

because there's very little i said in private on political issues that i didn't also say uplink. and they must have known that i said it on television. i said it on radio. i sent it to meetings and i said it had hope, the private dinners. it's not a big secret. i can, i'm saying i found it now. so it's not a question of being frightened, it's knowing they do it. but asking why do you do it mean what you need today. the situation is completely different. as we know when the counsellor i'm goes away lives by her own secret police with the backing of the c i or the cia with the backing of around secret police or the government when i knew and if you remember not so long ago, we were told how awful the stars he was in east germany was fine,

non stop on the citizen. the west is doing that, leave the same thing. actually, they're doing it on a level much, much higher than the every one can be spied all. so the people demonstrating should be why right of infiltrate as being sent into by ranks and unit building relationships or whatever sort that is really the only one and the fact that they can actually change anything by spying on people. i mean, i'll tell you the story. there was spies placed in 1917 by the crime, bizarre and secret police and the leadership of the bulge gm dementia. one affected it, they actually made the revolution. and the funny thing is,

the general running the crime, i used to say it's very funny. the bolsheviks eyes be put in the bowl to x and the mon. com. and they're giving a description of similar situations and fighting with each other. just like make sure that i'm getting in fluids. the organization that this but i mean, they were, you know, obviously that was a different situation. but what so different? i mean, what will they get out? a whole, these spying pick up people. i mean, they already have lost locked people up for months without abs. know it's been a disgrace and the new anti protest bill coming, coming through, i think i'll be, will arguably, may be surprised that at least joe biden is talked about maybe something intellectual property rights for a little while on the coven vaccine. talking a little bit about saudi sales to saudi arabia for use on yemen. britain stands

fast says we will continue selling the weapons to kill people in yemen. is there a sign that some of us allies are even more gung ho than joe biden and insecurity operators? it's true and they do it to show to show their loyalty to the own concept of how the world is run and to say to the us, we have we in defending you better than you can do your sales, which is a me, this whole notion which i've 18, you know, nonsensical notion that there is something called an international community. it's not, there is no international community. there's the united nations security council where a retail can stop anything back in the united states. no space is the international community. it goes and does what it wants everywhere. as for forest johnson,

sending an aircraft gallery and to china. it's patrick. it's to show loyalty. it's to show we are, we will be with you always. i mean, blair was even worse than johnson actually in sucking up to the americans and they are very nervous now having left the that the keep are in europe as far as the u. u. s. is concerned is not the truth be told it's germany, it's been that behind the scenes for some time smell is sort of even open. that is the country with which the us is really interested in maintaining a very close relationship. but when they take for grant, germany of course, has over this russian nordstrom to deal at the moment. yeah, you see the problem with the german government has been there for some time. as

long as us troops stationed in that concrete and think about the war ended in 1945, the west port in well known nazis and fascists and key positions in the army and intelligence services. 40 to 45 percent of the judiciary, the army. and so the top ross were not changed. same in japan, yet in both these countries they still have military bases. and so both these got increased japan, more than germany, have no real sovereignty. the hatred of russia is not related in particular to what may or may not do. it's related to the fact that the russian government has taken back its sovereignty. that gorbachev in his week when he been in a completely craven way, had given up all the crops to we do what you want and got no concessions at

all. apart from verbal ones on nato nature will not extend its frontiers, etc, etc, which they have broken with impunity. so it was necessary for any government in russia to take back sovereignty. and as far as the chinese complained, who can doubt now in many ways, the sort of most important country in the world, the economically and they're not going to be treated like they were before. so all this military threats and saber rattling and aircraft carriers is going to have known him, the chinese are the most important country. there was no doubt people in the united states who was thinking we, we couldn't russia a long time ago, decades ago, by making a block with china. and we succeeded to a certain extent in doing that. perhaps we should do

a deal with the russians to weaken china. they told they think in those terms that if we can get russia inside, we can then use them. i myself, am not sure that even if they tried this seriously, it's going to work because people have a few lessons and you know, this is what has been going on of the last 5 or 6 years has affected different parts of the world. i mean, i would say this to you that it's very interesting that when both scenario 1st came to buying brazil, the western media, including the financial times, will very pleased economically. it's not levels back radical, but they were please now so horrified by what both ro is doing to that country. and lulu was standing and hoping info ratings are going higher and higher. that the german british ambassadors in brazil,

you called on lula and said we want you to take whatever other costs and we are prepared to support. you probably deny this. i know it's a fact as if lula doesn't know what's been going on and who backed the google against him. and again, dillema when the who back to the us the us. what is it just very briefly then? i mean all the g 70 is presume we are agreed that they want to overthrow the government of venezuela. still over the bar. as john's in hosted one, glad to hear africa just a charity case, presumably talked about as go with vaccines and then you say that the stager, they've steve just lost it to the china. you think something really significant is changing in that? in america? obviously we have these rumors of castillo and emperor. yeah, i think the, the, you know, concrete, what some analyst said, i never believe the thing tied was totally over. because the think tied as it was

cold was effectively a form of social democracy. sometimes not even to laugh, backed by mass movements against that right. that's what this movement was that it's most radical underwood, travis, and radical, you know, on a lesser level in other parts. i mean, we've seen decrease 9 bolivia where the code up to topple. april has been defeated in peru, they tried very hard to make this sort of totally corrupt far right. fuji murray, lady, was fathers, an expression to the still in prison, charged with murder, an argentine this being shipped, so it goes up and down in the kidney. there's been a huge victory for people who want a new constitution. you want to create for the truly in the center party and for the right putting in training. so i want to give up on south america, and

a lot of times to far again, he will try and work, i think, with china and russia and not with the world to try and bring him down. and in venezuela, defense so far there toward the venezuela nami would crumble the venezuelan generous could be bought with dollars, and they would then organize a friendly called to jews name. i forgot who they paraded around europe and north america is the actual president. i mean, that's a joke. they don't even know what they're doing. no one takes this sort of behavior seriously. whatever the rules shortcomings, he's state and government as well in states as being solid and resisting attempts to topple my stance. they have experience from the past. they know what happens when you do well, because more on that in america,

your dream channels are going. thank you. thank you. that's of the show we back on monday to talk about a future. very different from the one in business by g 7 leaders in england, we told capitalism, democracy and the potential for war on china with venture capitalists and political scientists. eric lee until then follow some social media to never missed story. and if you're following on youtube, comment below, and tell us about the time you protest, if it's something you believe that i use

the one of the persian gulf, the wealthiest country as has spend billions of dollars on state of the art stadiums. well look at this, the stadium is really taking shape. you can see the bowl and most of the stands now, when we were here a little bit over a year ago, at the same construction site, it was just the foundation in a few metal structures. so it seems that time wise, this idea to use shipping containers as building blocks has definitely paid off. i mean, they're easy to assemble and easy to dismantle, just like playing with lego the, for the 1st time in a world history, the stadium will be billed from shipping containers. and what's more, it will be completely dismantled after the tournament.

the ah get used to the attacks from different directions, the attacks over various matters and various sorts and degrees of gravity. and i'm not stunned by all that so i didn't have didn't speak to americans, nbc network ahead of some joe biden. next week we'll go through the key points of the last interview. still to come this hour. so during the songs your family call on the u. s. government dropped the case against him as a travel across america to raise awareness. but the country still desperate to extra dr. whistleblower is support his belief that washington is trying to send a warning to others he is being held.