not only your protection, your safety and discipline, it's also your responsibility towards society. to some extent, it's the same story with the vaccine. it's a sense of responsibility for reducing the pressure on the health care system and reducing the number of severe cases. i'm deeply convinced this situation could be solved only by mass vaccinations. this could bring our normal life back again. no, it still was land. what do we know about this new indian strain yet? it moves no. i know what i see on an everyday basis. over 200 patients admitted to hospital every day. yes, every day. it's like the big days. it's even more with the peak of the 1st 2 waves . you go up, they say hysteria, everybody's panicking. it's a big pharma conspiracy. so they could make profit out of that. so and a bunch of junk shouldn't if it was hysteria, the old it's empty. covert hospitals and additional re animation services in the city would have been empty. and all we know for a fact is that over 1500,

the severely ill patients are an intensive care over 500 our own ventilators. we don't see this picture with the flu. my message to everyone is that only vaccination can prevent this situation. less than half an hour away from our next live summit update from geneva. for now though, this is artie. thanks for watching the the, the with i'm action or can see we're getting underground on blooms day a living, the stories, the powerful ones you know,

coming up in the show on the day that world war and peace is discussed in june even between by an improved and we talk to strategist, who helped ukraine's politicians and now advisors israel's new prime minister, left tale bennett. after being chief of stuff to former p. m. benjamin netanyahu deposed in the wake of maze, 11 day war that killed so many civilians in the middle east. and what is it steak for europe is vitamin to meet in geneva today as bar, as johnson contemplates breaking the breaking the lease signed threatening piece in ireland with a global pandemic catalyzed new thinking about the brussels liberal project that is arguably still covered for 20 years or more coming up in today's going underground, but 1st, as a new prime minister in israel, natalie bennett, after the connected voted by one to depose. israel is longest serving by minister many men at yahoo. does it make any difference to the ongoing was in the middle east? joining me now from horizon zimbabwe is the man responsible for putting both men in power off. naphtali advisor, george bramble, and george, i know you're not going to say it's just you who got him into power,

but i'll get to get to that in a moment. i better ask you, 1st of all about the bite and put in some it in geneva. what's your take on the significance of the summit? the summit is important for, for some reason. first obviously is the, the russian american relationship. beyond this administration has been at the forefront of geo politics. we're for decades. certainly coming out of, you know, the, the trump era by industry is trying to paint a different picture, a different angle in terms of their relationship with russia. white and he's definitely posher himself is trying to be the tough guy and be called a permanent match. but in terms of his toughness, poon is a master of joe politics. to be sure, and i was a little surprised at the announcements at the biden administration, had that they will be holding a solo pro conference after the summit as opposed to it's normally a joint press conference. usually joint press companies are sign of some sort of

mutual cooperation, mutual acceptance, or at least to show that there is some sort of goodwill coming out of that summit. the fact that the bio ministrations were presented. we said that there will be a unilateral press conference already signal that it's probably going to be quite a contentious one on one. maybe they'll change their mind at the last moment because, i mean, i should also say that after the nato summit, there was that aud moment when lensky of ukraine tweeted that ukraine was going to be part of nato. and that seem to be road back. you, you worked for the mayor of italy glitch go, what do you think about the wisdom of lensky tweeting out that ukraine is? what nater, i would not advise him tweeting at anything that would have had such a negative response from the americans. i mean, i think with a file he said that, you know, ukraine joining nato is not on, on the agenda and it makes it look a little silly. so i think was a bad move on to let skis part. but having said that,

i am all in favor of nato expansion. article 5 is a very important article in natal charter, and i think it should be brought into include some other countries. certainly what we saw with the, the aggression of russia was gotcha crimea, and eastern and ukraine. but it was, it was not exactly the smartest, even put out there. well, knowing what the reaction was. and you think that expansion of the russia and the global south arguably say that's a violation of the terms of guarantee given to go. but you of and previous russian leaders, i mean what, where is by non stuff. i mean, a surprise that he chose victoria newland famous, was saying bleep the european union as the secretary of state. i understand she didn't like your client could go much to replace. you had coverage. that is a level of inter office politics that i don't really get involved in. i think

biting is trying to find a voice for himself to define his presidency early on when it comes to foreign policy. and my experience, especially with united states has always been that there is the president and then there's the state department, and they often don't march and lock stock when it comes to views and policies, whether it's regarding opec or in the least, whether it's regarding eastern europe and so while by just trying to find his voice, i think the state department is always trying to stablish their own voice as well. something donald trump would no doubt, totally agree with you on. i think he had a few problems with the state department. okay, so to israel, to the middle east, we've had this terrible 11 day was so many women and children killed. what's the difference between netanyahu and bennett? well, i think there are a lot of differences. and one of the differences that bennett is going to bring a fresh perspective in a fresh set of eyes to, to decades old problem. and i think based on his experience in the high tech world and everything i know about natalie, having known him for about 15 years now, he's

a problem solver, any lights listening to different points of view. he likes brain people of different ideas in different opinions together and finding solutions. i'm so very helpful that both with the fact that you have a new press of eyes. but you also have the most diverse coalition in israel's history. looking at this, including an air party in the coalition that has been together and sitting at the same table together, not as adversaries, but as coalition partners that some solution can be found. yeah, well you know, nature nation media just characterized that is instability in order to great diverse coalition. you said a fresh pair of eyes ironic that he's against the new to state solution. bennett, on the records are saying that so is i'm us there against the 2 state solution. so it says beula. he's on the same side as a mass and it will well, listen, i'm not going to get out in front of the prime minister in terms of what his

policies will be. i do know that if you look historically it israeli leaders, whether it was been awesome, begun who was labeled a terrorist by the british canadian and land in london. you know sure that i had made peace with the gyptian. you had arial sharon, who came out of the sovereign utila massacres, and was, was deemed a blood thirsty politician. you know, he found a way to become a peacemaker. netanyahu was also vocally opposed to a 2 state solution in 2009 to clear that you know, that would be a solution. whether or not natalie bennett goes in that direction or not is not for me to say, i do know that she has to be found. natalie bet wants not just jewish children, but air of children to grow up in peace and without the threat of war, always hanging over their heads. having certain military, his children have to serve in the military to get something that you'd want to find a solution to. when it comes the actual policy, though, i can't get ahead of the prime minister just yet. how many balanced indians has

been killed because he boasted, of course, to former israeli national security via the echo of amador in 2015. they killed ballast indians, but i have, i have no idea what the army, what actions he took part in. so i really can't speak to that, i'll get back to ben in a 2nd. if i may, you also advise because benjamin netanyahu, you were chief of staff. how worried you think his about the corruption, indictment and about to jail? i don't think terribly worried from the, from what the basis of the cases are. if you read into the cases and you read some of the witnesses aptis upset and what the defense will be, i don't know that they are strong cases. so i don't think he's worried from the standpoint of being exonerated at the end of the day. listen for any human being. whether you're a prime minister or a private individual, to have these kinds of cases hanging over your head to have your family affected by your human being. it takes a toll for sure. he actually wants to get to the point where it's past him, as opposed to always looking over his head. did you ever meet on milton,

who is supposed to have given him money, introduce brad pitt, to engineer julie apparently. and also is response nuclear trading. if i met him, it was in passing, shaking his hand. i don't have a recollection of meeting him, but it's possible. i met him somewhere along line. although i can tell you that officially in the prime minister's office, i never met him because it was given to buy it and put in some it is on the big top line to that story is the strategic arms limitation treaty and hopefully disarmament nuclear almond around the world, did you ever discuss with no or with bennett the nuclear program in israel? obviously in the news because i'm, i was targeting it with rockets in may. no. why do you don't think that's weird? no, i don't think it's weird. i don't. i don't, it's weird that it's something that is generally not discussed in public arenas. it's. it's something there. yes. you high levels of sensitivity on israel security

. it's clear that the palestinian authority and he's creating some best phone their elections because they thought how much was going to do really well. do you think high on the priority list away from the economy for been it will be this threat now posed at any time, any place anywhere in israel can now be hit regardless of the by how much rockets? well, certainly the security and safety of the citizens is paramount. any prime minister . and i'm sure the, both these really military defense forces are looking at all kinds of ways to, to increase the defensive nature of this was military was iron dome is obviously a huge success. it was built to protect citizens. but the end of the day, i think for any leader of any country, that's your priority, right, to defend your citizens and protect them and keep them safe. and certainly israel, the entire security apparatus as well. defense apparatus is focused 1st and foremost on safety and security of it. what does that mean? that the shake gera evictions are

a price we're paying for israeli towns and cities to be hit by rockets? i mean, that's well, you know, for a quote isn't here. you know that that's a court case that goes back decades and decades and it would be for, i'm not familiar with the details of the court case. you know, all those things are certainly sense of even, you know, things like housing, demolitions in israel, even within his role. and not just and i'll go through a legal court process. and then the security after us has to make a decision whether or not as you said, are the results of, of enforcing something, you know, worked to cost. i don't know that anyone anticipated that. what happened the she job lead to what it led to. and i think, you know, this will have to be something that they look at it on a case by case basis going forward. now i fundamental de, your vision for the benefit. premier ship is this, as you said, but are, can begun was considered a terrorist by the british government because british soldiers were killed after all. aiden in the past, by israelis, you say things are different, and people move from one reputation to another. sure,

nelson mandela from terrorists to freedom fighter. but the tide is turning the other way. surely with israel, because you're now seeing people in congress wearing palestinian flags talking about the settlements about the un resolutions about the international law that israel is in violation of. how worried is bennett? by so many middle in the young generation of americans protesting in bravery pastime, massive demonstrations during them. a war in new york, no demonstrations for israel, given that israel is ultimately bankrolled by the united states. i think saying that it rolls back with united states is a real piece of interest information. i mean, israel's budget is around 300000000000 of which is we'll get about 3 and a half 1000000000 from, from the united states. so that's about one percent of the overall g, d, p of israel. so to say that israel is bankrolled by united states is really not a fair thing to say. but on the issue the palestinians was we have to look at

reality. the reality is israel as a state, as a country, as a jewish nation, is your answer to say, it's not going to go anywhere. the palestinians as a people have, have sort, right? the world is acknowledged that i would say that the un unfairly, especially on the un human rights council, probably got israel as opposed to even countries like iran when it comes to the resolution condemning human rights. so it's huge about now you in security cars and even un security council resolutions are completely unbalanced when it comes to versus the rest of well, i mean tell that, tell them what can i just find the connections want to answer as well. ok, but the connections just breaking up a little, i mean i suppose fundamentally boycott divestment sanctions. is the movement spreading across europe given that the use as it's anti semitic and it's wrong to

do that to israel is violence. now the only method left for palestinians to uphold those un security council resolutions given the peaceful boy divestment sanctions, is off the table. you know, it's going to be a losing battle for them. i mean, what will achieve more death of innocent civilians on both sides would be that that's not going to bring a resolution to anything and you don't violence only be get violence and it's not going to be a solution. george, thank you very much. after the break, we analyze the bite improved in some of the following nato nation condemnation of russia and china. and we asked, give us president joe by irish roots have made the man resolve arguable post breaks violations of rules based orders on the irish border. all isn't coming up in part to of going undergrad. ah, the

welcome back to the u. s. president joe biden and russian president vladimir putin . a meeting in geneva after putin declared the u. s. russia relationship is deteriorated to its lowest point in years. this comes off the back of the nato and g 7 summit, where despite machinations, arguably uniting over their distrust of russia and china. the agreement was actually made between the u. k and the u over the highly contentious with an island protocol. joining me now for analysis from brussels is the independence for change . emmy peter dublin. clare daily. thanks so much clarify. finally, coming on, going underground. obviously the talk here will be no valley and by the russian government there will be talk was continuing talk about china and hopefully about nuclear disarmament. why for you is the imprisonment of julian assange sought by the job, by new ministration for maybe

a 175 years in prison. why is he so important in the context of geopolitics and the, and the meeting today? well, i suppose her son just case really exposed to prophecy all the european union and see us and constantly lecturing russia about human rights under belgium, print, some journalists or whatever. and then here we have a probably the biggest spread press freedom case of generation. assange, annoying to freedom for 10 years for exposing us war crimes. fighting continues fast prosecution. it's also a r y. let's review about what's going on in russia. i'm inferred if you are being in the same, they talk at all in one way and then they ignore the big, the big other issues as well. so to me, it just totally exposed to proceed. studies i have going on be suspicious intervention, illinois, it's about geo politics really. would like to be in the belly of the beast,

the largest trading book in the world. you're in the corridors of power of it. and then you go and make speeches about julianna's sons. what are your fellow m e p say to you outside the chamber? you know, it's on june. the old days was our wind and dining room here. and he was brought in here by some of the more conservative liberal political groups in here when he was be in both came off the day. and then they all kinds of dropped her mother. most of the feature off and the atlantic outlaw that prevails in the european union on a fast becoming a role, doing its own independence to any great extent. so i think a lot of them wouldn't even allow me mentioned his name in or a poor to phone dementor, right, for the period 2019 took the shar, when we want to freedom for journalists from freedom of expression. and we mentioned the sounds chase, you know, the rest of the book doing journalism in the you and they don't speak his name. i

mean, i made the point. rosley thought he has been with liberty for 10 years. his health is really jeopardize and it wasn't 10 days when the open russia had scholar, wasn't even arrested 10 days of your passing emergency motions demanding his release. i mean, the 2 don't, don't clearly it's not freedom and mental rights game playing on using these issues . weapon isolation of human rights prevail fear all the time. and yet of course, media reporting the bi, including summit, we'll be talking about european ideals of human rights, european ideals of a rule. blaze based order. do you think your biden can rely on europe as a, as a, as a great partner, obviously, to buy new ministration as worries about germans. the germans deal on north stream too. but civil tenuously island may be relying on biden's support over the post

bricks it deal that bars junction certainly divided. it's really interesting on because what we really places you who have been buying in today's atlantic agenda, who have been really accelerating russia phobia anti russian sentiment, anti chinese sentiment g. racism, alarming race which with no bearing to the actual facts in the situation. but at the same time, as you say, a lot of the members on the individual countries know that there economic interests are not found by having to with russia, north stream through another economic investment are clearly to the advantage of russia, but to the advantage of germany. and over your power, so it's a bit of a contradiction. as we can see, often this rash rates can get our hands. i think we've seen with china. china is

the biggest trade or, nor now when i'm on the rhetoric, mounting all for europe in parliament about trying to stop the choice trade journal now is gaining momentum. while a lot of the individual countries, obviously, they probably will probably prevail. it's dodgy territory and i'm like, mostly in, pardon me for from my perspective, this is a, by reflecting the u. s. his desperation, against the backdrop of a change world order. because why, why says that china is a threat to peace and stability and security of the united states. it's actually lying. there are no security threat, but they are an economic trash. and that's very much for you is playing a dangerous game, because actually by putting a chasm between our relations with china, with russia, the us is stealing a situation where we will be more dependent on the us, which i don't think you could. i don't,

we should be dependent on anybody. i think you should be furthering its own independence course. why do your fellow european politicians, when there's money to be made as european prosperity at stake? why do they do it? they don't being blackmailed. i know there have been reports of anglo americans phone being bugged with ca, but i mean, why would they do that if it's not in the interests of the european population? it's incredible. listen, i asked myself that question loads of time, and i think there's a couple of different things going on. i mean, certainly there is a growing our chinese sentiment deals by i suppose fear of china is growing economic supremacy. actually that's not a view that shared by europeans. there was a so the commission reasonably, which about 40 percent european see china. so now i are necessary partner with only 12 percent of the same china bird to beach where it's no i remember say predominantly taught us with an ally, so it doesn't make sense. but to me, one of the here, i mean,

if you want to justify arms expand that you're particularly out of time when economies are sold in the house. why would we choose to spend more money on defense when you got to have an enemy? russia how is being painted into that. it's largely fuels are lost quite a representative from the eastern european countries on the borders of russia. but it's not unusual about the european parliament will be out of touch for assistance on this issue as it is with so many others in fantasies to ireland. the t shirt when it comes to trading and war did say michael board and said, as regarding the gaza war, which of course was fueled arguably by om sales from britain, the united states and the nation to israel said the, the use of force is disproportionate. you don't believe the the shock went far enough and he went a lot further than the bars. johnson here in london, i'm sure you went to law for most of the members say, john,

in their defense like i was in the early part of them for many years. i know. and i believe that our foreign minister has a lonely bible in defense of power. as you say, i would like them to come further. i mean, we have a piece of legislation on your home, which kind of stalk for lack of government support. unoccupied territory sale, which will kill a trade in goods from illegal settlements entirely in compliance would be, you know, it could be a beacon for so many other countries on how to find what i mean. it shows to me the role record play on the security council as a sort of small, independent, neutral country. we have. we used to have more so in the past could stop when everybody no matter who they were. but arlen has blown that a fair bit by spending the knee to us military, some through the use of our civilian aircraft, our airport by us military on

a daily basis. and we do, gosh, because we're subservient to economic investment from america hall, which is really rational and patrick over government now says the policy and challenge board has changed. and of course, the chief strategist to the new prime minister israel, the tale bennett, mr. berm woman paul, one said he'd rec, rejects the disproportionate can island be a member of a european union that is close geopolitically and militarily to the united states. whilst not being in nato at the same time. is there a big tension for dublin because of this 3rd contradiction, there were unfortunately not from the point of view of our political establishment because the tops of the military in orland, on the political chava should have long sought to be part of the kind of european military club moving with the big hardware debate, military investments that are now being promoted by the arms industry, or elements in orland. you want to part of not the citizen. so they mentioned the

european defense fund in the what is that? okay, well dive. i would say, and so majority is that it's actually illegal because we're led to believe the fewer supposedly founded to bring peace on the continent of europe are never, would there be a world war again and all that good stuff. but it's just a fairy story really, but it's constitution. there was never to be a scenario where japan expenditure was directly found from the you just all got changed in this financial package going forward for the next few years for the 1st time. now, you bought it is used for direct military expansion. we have an appall new scheme caused misnamed european piece to services, which actually shall be called the european war facility. this replaced upon which was the african piece facility, which was supposed to be far investment in africa. they have destroyed the place for the 1st time for short. but the african piece facility forms could never be

support on military. and now the european piece facility provide your a p and money. so which can be, you are african nations to buy back your a p and are to use in their own countries. the stabilize the situation further on. probably then when the refugee is called the orders of europe, the same big companies will benefit from the contracts to keep them out. so you have this big circle flushed hold for the beach arms companies on so many different problems and it's a complete departure on the setup. so can already be compatible with that. i would say no, but obviously they are, they play to play the game where we're in, but we're not saying, i mean, we're not the only non national country, but i've had questions recently showing the closer and closer move you to a lot of nasal activities and they just say, i know we're only observing our one on we're not fully involved there. they have

loads on their hands too, as far as i'm concerned. and he says it's a great new form of protection for the continent and the arms companies of course, say they're great employers on balance. how do you think buying and push in view each other? and i imagine whether members of the global south look to putin as something a defender against us, a gemini. how do you see the meeting? yeah, i mean, look at it. huge amount to high about us. a lot of game played on posturing. a home boy boy, you know, he's going to get talk with this type of stuff which is not really helpful, but at the same time they are the think it is a initial vision sort of a departure from trump days. let's wait and see, you know, i mean i, there's been a lot of hostility and a lot of, i don't like the way the meeting has been. so i find is really objectionable. the way in which russia and china are being conscious, these enemies. so like,

you know, we have this nasal so much about the globe growing chinese trash. this is a nation of 1600000000 people. their military budget is lower than the military budget of western europe. yeah. china, our military trash. it's actually ridiculous. you know, so yeah, i mean look, let's say i don't see any calling of relations. they're not really, you know, island is neutral. maybe they'll meet there next time daily. thank you. high from me. that's the show that's over this blooms. they show we back on 79 years since we keep things. julian san diego doing embassy to seek political asylum today. he's being tortured in london, according to the un facing 175 years in prison for publishing revelations of supreme war crimes by major nations until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think post cold war us russian relations can be restored

ah us and russian journalists fight to get into the geneva villa web president's posted and by holding that highly anticipated summit. but even those lucky enough to get inside were quickly shoot away. now you go away, please go ahead and check between the russian and american presidents for getting that highly anticipated encounter with everything from nuclear arms controls the middle east, conflicts on the agenda, lokey bringing you all the action live from the venue in switzerland, in less than a minute from now with russia us relations at rock bottom and insult flying and media painting the talks as a personal grudge match. so we've been asking people.