media and let us know if you think those cold war us russian relations can be restored. ah us and russian journalists fight to get into the geneva villa web president's coasted and by holding the highly anticipated summit. but even those lucky enough to get inside were quickly shoot away. don't they roll now? go away, please. hold on. a handshake between the russian and american presidents begins that highly anticipated encounter with everything from nuclear arms controls the middle east. conflicts on the agenda. we'll keep bringing you all the action light from the venue in switzerland, in less than a minute from now. with russia, us relations at rock, bottom, and insult flying media painting the talks as a personal grudge match. so we've been asking people in new york, moscow food,

when they've things actually got scrappy between come to them fighting logical isn't going to have a bad but in a fight. but white and color even when i a good tabby with it's wherever you're watching around the world. welcome. this is archie international and wednesday, the 16th of june, a big day for diplomacy, not just between russia in the united states. today's many i was a conversation could have implications beyond joe biden. i'm pretty mid person and now holding the highly anticipated summit in switzerland, they've concluded the 1st phase of the events involving just the precedence plus that top diplomat abroad. a meeting is now underway. there's plenty at stake and our top team is in the city, geneva, the who's

me well, today has been preparing for days. we have been starting his i was on what crime in the white house about an hour and a half. they have been hold up in the grounds below, which is just a couple of clubs the way to view the full setting. historic shot. so nice woods view over the yachts on the water, but will it be smooth sailing to president a hold up that they all hashed out a whole number of issues from control climate change, human rights. everything it gets to the point where by there is not much on the agenda for these to to get through just where do you actually start? because also on top of that, you've got things like cove, it as well, something affecting not just these 2 countries, but course the whole planet. so there's an awful lot to get through. and it's the hottest ticket in town really for getting up close and personal with these leaders

. and we, what we saw was journalists well, getting up close and personal with one another in order to try and get that front row. or at least front of the pack ability to be able to, to get the cameras close to the 2 presidents to be able to be even show to question to the 2 presidents. it didn't look pretty at times though, to say in fact, we can have a look at some of the, the journalists being told by the security, the shot. so it's time for you to leave the go away, please move on to the standard you well, the expanded format, this things being set into 2 parts. there was a 1st part that began pretty much after the handshake photographs and everything

like that involved a lot of the, the diplomats as well as the foreign ministers, the secretary of state in the u. s. k. what we now understand is that expanded format, which is the real at the top level talks we had being hoping we still know, of course. yeah, we just know that because that would be a bit of time for the 2 leaders to, to really harsh things out between one another. and this, as we've said, a lot of people involved behind the scenes 800 also kind of gave them talking to leave for foreign medicine. he was saying, you know, everyone plays such an important role here. there are so many people watching behind the scenes. it really depends on who the president is, who the prime minister then how things function. but definitely this is, i know everyone's pitching it as a bite and some of the, my goodness, the teams that are involved the years that go into it. i mean, even with this one with this one of haven't been years,

but that's one of the thing. well was it was put together so quickly. there's been an awful lot of work to being done very quickly. i mean, it doesn't mean that the work hasn't been done, but it has had to be put together in a faster fashion, and some of the summits usually go ahead in math to the u. s. said, well, joe biden wants to meet with president and the russian president accepted by the vice freaking a fight. not sure what was interesting when we were watching we told him, of course, arrived before behind chick fil, the kind of swiss president said, you know, guys, come on, come together, look good shot. we also sold on, i believe, image, but i'm sitting inside on famous library. what they will be meeting, i'm caught on camera was fired and sit and he did a power and he does look, have some notes in his hands. he even looked at one point quite clearly. he was looking down at the school was not the 1st time that he has been spotted. that his notes, i've actually been readable. i'm up during his fast press conference on true, quite a lot of criticism because it was written a really large font and sometimes he was reading what for what we actually are

a bit later on going to have a 40 language x, but we're on, we're going to dive into all the details, but 1st we're going to find out exactly what's been going on on the scene. the villa gong, which is just over to our left. also over that, where the president's meeting, as our very own guys deal with the leaders and the delegations gauged and talks and everything else inside on the business end of the day. but there was something of a stan beach at the entrance to the lodge journalist. they pushed a sharp basin scream, some of their lungs up, some of them to get inside. cuz obviously the match, it isn't huge. the holes in the rooms, they have relatively small. so i use the what usually some places usually the to summit. so people, obviously, you know, professions everybody wants here, but what the school wants a shot. bob asked the question, perhaps to give you an idea of how important these events that visit these people

could stab be with an army of security age of drug trying to get in that they did some of them got inside got inside the protocol group where joe body vladimir putin there for a 2nd. sorry, secretary of state and foreign ministers where they need to get it now goof, they've got inside and we've had complaints that they couldn't hear what the, what the leaders will say. which perhaps could be explained by some of the gender, again screaming and screaming, the lungs that we will to have subheading this, complaining that they were, they were shoved up, they wouldn't listen, give you. if you look at the footage, either they were told repeatedly, go away, get out move. they simply wouldn't do it complaining that they couldn't hear job buttons, comment, but black me approval was 1st and he was much clearer at the fact the american side for coming up with this initiative and get the summit off the ground by me. mister president, i'd like to thank you for your initiative to meet. i know that you've had

a long trip and the heavy workload. there are many issues that have accumulated in us russian relations that require a top level discussion. i hope our meeting will be productive. i said i was always the look i can tell you that the day so far has beats the more pessimistic predictions people had speculated that they wouldn't even shake had they did multiple todd and then we saw joe barton, let me put even sharing jokes, laughing at each other's comment inside. so obviously the talk underway, nevertheless, it must be said to get know to expect too much delegation. have said as much there was have an awkward movement when the job button, after the appointment is called, boy drove up to the entity he sat inside the car for a full minute more than a minute, meters away looking heaven through through a plain window. just perhaps awkward, no reason given for that,

but eventually he did get out there after the inside. the suite president also had the message of support and i must say's inside the switzerland has done an outstanding job, provide the movie safety security and the privacy that the to need to go about their business. and, you know, try to at least restore relations sort of crazy. don't miss the president of the russian federation. mister president of the united states of america on behalf of the swiss government. i would like to welcome you to geneva to see to be it is a loan and pleasure for switzerland to host here for the summit. and in accordance with the tradition of good mediation, promote dialogue and mutual understanding. for ma'am, i wish both presidents, fruitful dialogue in the interest of your 2 countries and the world best wishes and goodbye, really because you don't look, there are as many opinions. that's what's happening. and what will happen inside is there are cameras here, and there are a lot what most people agree on is that we shouldn't expect too much of temper you

expectations of both delegations have said as much the rush inside sex. this isn't going to be a historic subject that you don't know if you will expect a. this is, this is only the start and here's hoping that it's continuous look, that can be breakthroughs. it's huge progress from summit, between allied between fred and we'd like when the american president gives the saudi arabia, adults, hundreds of millions of dollars worth weapons. and the bell of russian li that comes the, comes to moscow accused absorbed the credit. here we have 2 sides that until recently we're arguing on speaking the diverse disagree on almost almost every major international theme, international topic. so certainly this is, this is a starting place. this is a foundation on which they hope to be able to build trust to build perhaps even respect for each other to learn to talk about the issues that both sides care about the well will not know whether that trust and respect has been established until we

hear the press conferences following this summit, but what we can do and certainly what i was looking at when we saw that too late is meet with the swiss president in the middle of them is have a look at what that perhaps means. i saw that protocol beginning, i was thinking what we need here is a body language expert to tell us exactly what they sold. my come on, guess what we have. we have a body language expert, how it feldman from johannesburg. thank you very much for joining us. we saw the 2 leaders standing on the steps of the village on the ground with the swiss president in between them. now this is a stance, i remember very well from my childhood, me one of my best mates and drew line. we were forever fighting one another. one of our mothers would end up standing between us and going you to be friends. what does that mean? i'm reading far too much into this. what was that? well, you know, for what could you tell us about the language of the latest randall 50. good afternoon to you. thanks for inviting me. in fact, your, your analogy around your childhood,

i think it's very very apps because what we use exactly that. and when i saw the expression on biden's face when he smiled and, and greeted it was almost like you were a kid. and maybe you were on stage and your mom was in the audience saying, smile while, remember to smile. and that was the sense that god, if it wasn't a sponsor, it was more of a i'm told to do this. i think that the handshake as well, was choreographed. we knew they both knew that we're going to shake hands. there wasn't a discussion on the stairs around that that has already happened, and barton couldn't wait to, to lean forward to, to shake hands because that's what he was told to do. so there was something very, very awkward as though these, these 2 men, in fact were children. now we think back when, when biden made a comment to that awful comment about putin being a killer. if you made it publicly, when, when putin was asked about it, he said, well, when i was young and we were in the courtyard playing a, you know,

we used to 20 each other and i would, it takes one to know one. so think about that a lot of the childhood ad stuff where one person is trying to get on top will get the better of the ada bought and continually talks about the future as a formidable opponent, as though he's going to into a bit of a clash with him as either a sports game or a fight. and we can see that now very, very tense. if we look at the 2 of them, at putin much more baby seasoned at this, his hands or by his side. and he's, he's facing forward biden, much more tense. use his arms across in front of him, even when they sit down inside his feet, his legs cross over each other initially away from peut and then towards him. but his arms generally remain cross cross. he holds on to his notes as, as you mentioned earlier, those notes are important because they give him something as well to hold on to

because hold it on hand. he's holding on to a note. so that's important. and as well, we have to remember that there's been a lot of speculation and criticism around how well biden is managing cognitively, even as he walked in one of the report, a shot. how are you feeling? now that's not a normal comment to ask a statesman like this. so it's an, it's an a that would have moved him. and we've seen that. we've seen this constant messaging around around that even putin's comments. it's been a long trip. you've had a heart, a heavy workload. you must be a bit tired vest reference again to his physical may be inability to stand up to the formidable opponent. there's one thing that you mentioned about the legs cross. now obviously the whole wilds is a so little information coming out the whole wall. * just become a body language, but and i went on to twitter. i know it's not

a reliable source of news, but i admit i did. and that a lot of the stuff, especially from americans will say, well, biden has just, i think quote, destroyed periods and he's sitting there with his legs crossed. is the leg crossing, destroying, and the president. i'm not sure how i can tell you that. i think that neither of the gentlemen are particularly comfortable about this meeting, but valesa comfortable is bad and he is trying very, very hard to show strand to remember all those lessons that he's being told from, from mom that's impression that i get. and i think quite the contrary, i think across nig is, is, is his closed is a little bit closed off to it. he's protecting himself, even when he stands in front of the door. he's all, his hands were folded in front of him. he's protecting his, his vital, vulnerable organs,

future standing open as though he's saying you can trust me and i'm not afraid of anything. so no, i don't think either a particularly comfortable, but a certain body is alyssa, comfortable of the, to the spot. what american twitter might have to say about this? let's talk tice tie colors. in particular, there's been a lot made over the choices now. we've spoken to diplomats foreign minister, former foreign ministers will be continuing to speak to senior diplomats. what are some of the about the south tauriel choices and what goes into it? wearing a purple tie bike wearing a blue tie. it's been suggested that by the blue tie choice could be an attempt to add, in some way to appeal to the to the russian president. the purple type. purple, of course, often used in the united states is the color of bipartisanship. my reading far too much into this. yes. i mean you can on twitter of course.

i think as far as i know that these things i mean to be messages and i know that we meant to take them very, very seriously. the truth is, i don't because those are also very, very choreograph so you can decide what are you going to weigh, or your advisors can tell you where a time that's going to be a message, but it, you can't hide the a grimace. you can't hide an expression on your face, you can try because these, you know, to be interesting because some time back when, when putin and donald trump metal was off by russia today as well. to analyze that . and that was very interesting in that donald trump was the unseasoned politician . so he was much more fun to read because at that stage was early on in his presidency. he wasn't, will not that he became very refined, but he was a lot less refined in that he even became. and you could see a lot more going on there. and the contrast between the 2, putin who's, who's been around a long time and very sees and in this regard,

you could see this contrast. yeah, both are very, very well trained in this regard. biden's been around from before. god probably add, but you know, and he knows the stuff you might not be doing very well. i think on the international stage. but he does know it is harder to read and we've got to look at those clues a lot, a lot more closely. the final thing i wanted to quickly ask you is generally obviously these people are in such the spotlight at the moment. they know, i mean like saying 3000 john. that's not just the ones who have got that boots on the ground here in geneva. every single news organization will be showing these images, all people in those situations aware of that body language, and do they make some changes to try and protect thought an image is not even possible. so, so it is often they'll be trained. so when they go into a discussion like this, they'll be told to open up and use claim the space around the make sure that people

can see your hands because they're signifiers process emphasize when you talk but, and use the okay. just as they taught all of the stuff, but that also and immense, immense pressure. and in this case, i believe biden is and much more pressure given the fact that he knows that everybody is watching to see cognitively. he's ok, that is very, very hard to hide this too much going on to be able to protect every movement that you make. so i, they are trained, and as i said it's, it's easy when somebody's untrained loc donald trump initially, but, but you can see it. and what i see here is 2 gentlemen very uneasy, but to be more uneasy of the 2, definitely bother. well, how it, as my mother always says to me, you over the thing kit and you're reading into it, but i think actually all those years have prepared me for this. thank you so much

for joining us in, in our twitter speculation. that was how would the language ex, but with good to have you on and have a good day. well, another place which just stands is incredibly important in the boxing ring it. and while this is perhaps one of the most serious international summits that taken place in recent memory, we have had a little bit of fun with the idea of it being a head to head about a heavy weight match between. let me put on joe biden. we judged opinion on the streets of new york and moscow of who would win if it came to it in a box in ring chick. bad. but in a fight, probably that i'm glad american, and unfortunately he would win because his model been divided. i think probably because he a little more they both want to make it after the 1st couple of funds available, i'll give him if they thought nobody wins, because the more a war biden is going to do is very best to represent.

but probably got a lot more homework about how to get around this man. yeah. look pretty big sides. i bought it. of course, the russian president who can win here for harvesting his pictures on horseback, but might in the solar even when i'm at home to tell you to do most or maybe by doing work out, we don't know yet. so i think they're both very different. have lovely so, so they will notify they will end in peace. it would have had enough wars for picking that side to full violence is not for the on. so it's all about diplomacy. i'm going to bring it up to a diplomatic level. we're going to bring in frank albert, who is a former ambassador. he's a senior job and frank, thank you so much for coming on. the 1st thing i want to ask you to see exactly

about diplomacy, thoughts, as every other type of foreign policy. generally, diplomacy walks because it's about compromise, it builds trust. do you think that trust is something that will ever exist between the kremlin and the white house? but i think that the trust and confidence is a basic element in diplomacy. and it worked well in the past. it worked, helping us to rain down the confrontation between east and west. after the cool and warm it helped us to regain german unification. that opened the avenue of abroad corporation with the rest of the eastern europe. well, on the issue of, of your i did want to ask you because i've been saying we've been talking a lot about and how you are sometimes you of course, in the middle, obviously north stream to jump in germany was

a perfect example of how they were trying to balance all of these interests moving forward. how do you think europe is going to deal with the standoff between washington and russia, but also washington and china now? well, let me say for us one very important thing. this is very much a euro p meta, leave ed, russia, and china, and the united states all for moment. this is our on demand, and it is all secure here we are talking about we actually expect that our pump was due respect, interest in europe is here because north stream was this was a, to be a perfect, to perfect, to, to solve the supply, i guess at the time when it became clear that the visible

in the north sea would be empty in a couple of years. and this was a dime of between come a run. the problem is of the united kingdom and mr. if mr. put new, a solution disappointment suggested that we just build a 2 additional plex panel to the existing lots to one. then one clyde from germany to denmark and then feed in to get into the grid that exists already and been all see. and everybody was going to see, it was merely that the vehicle i'll make project, things changed when you're printing christ. all of a sudden what's considered to be a political law business essentially wrong. now i just want to delve into your experience to put some of it well,

to shed some light on what may be going on in the summit. now you are the chief of stuff to teach again should during the 2 plus 4 talks massive e starting generational changing moments in history. we are expecting that from this meeting, but you didn't get to those talks that led through unification. without that being small that taken, how do those mighty, oak grove, from tiny acorns diplomatically? well, it depends very much on the readiness to develop of friendly personal relations . these existed between mister gorbachev and chancellor code existed equally between john harmon, his form and is not. you know, if you model you and attempting to develop an

atmosphere or possibly even, you know, the things help like telling stories. clicking the joke. this is a basic principle in dealing with this can be 70 competence. mister l. but thank you very much for your time. that was frank l. a former senior diplomat from germany. thing to us from bon much appreciate your time. but the relationship that we're seeing between moscow and washington is about as low as its being. well, there's a lot of talk since the cold war since the room, which was just talking about really how we got to the situation is a many faceted or is we can have a look at some of the ways we got here right now. the united states and russia made great progress and building

a new relationship. today, our relationship is broad and strong. i don't expect russia to look like the united states. number 2, we will have the same type of democracy in iraq to tell you the truth. ah ah, me 200 years have not been able to establish a stable and confident relationship with the way. why not? when you're asking when russia has not been able to establish stable relationships with the west. well, let me off q. why is the west not established stable relations with russia? both sides should make the efforts. god forbid you enter into any contradictions with our american partners on the american continent that is considered the holy of holies. and yet allocating ships of missile munitions, 10 kilometers from where we are, is considered, okay, is this an equal approach?

the want to reset the relationship? it says goosgo, which means what would the russia aggression against ukraine threatens our vision of a europe that is whole. busy free and at peace. i would say i'm counting with, with prison, proven event occasion to spend some significant amount of time with is that at his core he is, he's practical. ah. when you want to keep it, she will win that. do you have any idea what you've done now,

but i'm afraid this question will hang in the air because the policy which is based on the confidence and the assurance of one's own exclusivity and impunity have not been abandon. ah, russia hacked into a lot of things the kremlin klan, there they are in the u. k. and in france, and in spain, and in the middle east, and in the united states, and in all of these other disparate places, ah no. go ahead and put me think is a killer. i do not show you relations of degraded to the lowest level. ah, weekend interview latimer prudent laughed at the suggestion that you had called him a killer. is that still your beliefs are that he is a killer? specially the 1st question i'm laughing to,

ah, well, phase of the decades of images and was that we've had, we're going to have to see what all the images and was going to be added to that video when they come out today. and in fact, i think we're getting was that president putin's press conference will be around an hour and a half president. boynton has also confirm his will be in 3 hours. so looks like they are guessing that slowly we will of course be taunting by with up to date everything that comes out bought in the meantime. i don't want to break really wants you to join him in the future. moscow. that's all the news in the world. we'll see you soon. the me ah .