deal would be good, you know, the roster is a big fan of it and in fact, how think he of course some it's quite multi chastised from believing it. so it definitely seems that i think they agreed to cooperate on the things that were manageable. but human rights, of course, that in both in that respect, stable quite very i think they were very stuck in their position. it's easy for a job. i don't of course, to bring out human rights. i mean doesn't need to do anything just beyond the attack. that's all, and what strikes me is the few words he mentioned about guns that, you know, it's not rushed his fault if america has to go on tip toe now. it's because the, the tale bonds and all the saw that a fierce fighter and, and they are pushing the americans out. you know, so mister putin at good words to say, we'll do our best to help you get out and, and maintain peace after your departure. but

e said it depends upon you upon russia. what the, why does it depend upon russia? it doesn't, it doesn't. i mean, all major states, like russia or america, or europe in states need to fight against crime and against terrorism. we have the same interest. and this is the final thing. what is your sort of perception being of the entire thing on the need to add on to the patient and of ultimately what came to k, anticipation was filled up by mystified on and by mystified and mainly. and it is what could be expected, you know, now it's that we kind of have a drink together. you know, that's the sort of thing. brad diplomatic relations will resume, maybe not lower, maybe not often, but they will like, like i said, you know what? you're going to be able to see whether any of the fruit in 3 to 6 months. you did say twice. so clearly that was an aspect. this was a bit of a long game that the steps have been taken. it's going to take

a while to get back into the grooves of it's called a loyalty. i think i'd agree actually that by and large and probably you know, the fact of what one could expect and i think it was better than what we why yesterday. i think that's probably a fair assessment lover often blink. and have a lot on that. i feel busy days ahead which we can see. i think we've brought you the best seat in the house. i'm not mistaken. president said hey, fly out. wonderful. i mean talk about it in and out. i mean, it flew in the morning lounge, did it. what was it? 1253 minutes ahead of schedule. i think i remember i knew thought already like a busy mind. you know, i know like maybe twice the audio press conference problem to go. we've got a few more things to listen to from that press conference. i don't, i think i hope so. well, we can also say that that word that had been mistakes made. i believe when it came to certain things they talked about,

didn't they had the relationship hadn't exactly been as good as it could have been . let's listen to what was said right now. we agreed to work together there because as much as interest rushes interest as ours and to how we can insure the arctic remains and the region of cooperation rather than conflict. i caught part of prejudice trying to press conference. all not relationship will keep you here for just a little while with that there was talk, they're not going to be both and they're not going to be what i certainly know could be watching that russian much tonight, but foods already left. hey, although in a relationship built on what joe biden called, well, he called it self interest mutual self interest. you know, sometimes that's all you need. you don't need to be friends. just got to do business. joe biden, though, said that there wasn't any big move in jury nice, although you agreed with president prudent the was any still lety the certainly

we're going to be well hugging and singing, combine lucas. i don't think he's looking for a cold war with united states. i don't think it's about, as i said to him, i said your generation of mine are about 10 years apart. this is not a could by moment is used to say back in the sixty's and united states like less huggy love each other. but it's clearly not in anybody's interest. your countries are mine for us to be in a situation where we're in a new cold war. let me know what to expect them to friends. and that was something that we talked about already with the gas. you know, that was very specific. why that came out to john. this is that they will not be stopping to be honest. one is that, is that not that hungry? it's because they don't want not rush breaking right because i'm not expecting to be frightened. so one thing i did was quite interesting about food and bite and

said that he still has those concerns that we want to bring him down. i found not quite a cinematic way of phrasing it. i don't know if i'd necessarily expect an american president if it's and 20 appropriate for i need to say it. i mean maybe i'm wrong, man of the cold war. so he uses the terms that the hawks in america expect from him . the bad guys are across the magic. we must know that you know it's good and the president mentioned the e reinvented direct telephone. of course jeff and kennedy. did you hear that? you know, he said we must have personal contacts in the future. so i suppose it's going to be the right phone. again. nato and ukraine were brought from president putin. what we heard was, yes, we talked about ukraine. we agreed that men skipped the way forward. minsk remains the way for which we both have all republicans on ukraine, i'll repeat needs both, differ on ukraine, joe biden saying,

min skipped the way for which we have differences of opinions. what happens with ukraine right now concerning these 2? as you said, a repeat the mantra mean for bias and the face, the says, will defend the sovereignty of ukraine. nobody attacks ukraine, that i know what you know. so even the fresh i had military maneuvers, america has mother for maneuvers. one america says it's too close to ukraine all through nato countries, so far as we can, can say to the last guys just across the, the, the, the, the straits of bearing. so i just also next door to us. so it's, it doesn't go anywhere. but i think something that i'm afraid off for the future is the war longer. scientists, in nato. some countries are very much anti russian and out the we will not war mongers now that the people talking after yesterday's meeting and brussels talking about cyber warfare. and that should be included in article by that each country,

the nato defense, all the others. data is danger, dangerous. if you speak of cyber warfare at the same time and include it, you know, that's, that's think warfare was notable. and when they talked about 5, it was notably absence. they talked about a tax really close to that, but we use the right word. yeah. some people who don't we go, we are going to try and go to our corresponding because dave, who was in the me think president periods in question. we're going to see if we can speak to right now. i'm a lot of you that yes, yes. here. listen to both press conferences, although i was completely at one, i must tell you, i must start off by saying there is, there is indignation. here among the russian press about the fact that for vladimir putin press called for b and b,

clear which i bresh and of political parties. and then, and then you had jo biden's press conference where he started off by saying that he's taking questions from pre selected journalist reading from a teleprompter until which the new member of the russian press was invited to you. there is indignation here among journalists about that fact, especially you to with him talking about democratic values. i suppose democratic values isn't taking licks big question. the question is a job button basically, you know, if i could sum them up, they would just tell him mister president, really that is the said, the journalist fear the journalist have but the, you know enough about what we feel angered about. look, the gist of this objectively is the booth leaders began by saying the same thing that the time now is to start working together. that it is time to cooperate. the

launch of why latter was teaching stability and your billing what i missed and there was no hospitality on the country meeting was very constructive. our views differ on many issues, but i believe both sides have shown a willingness to understand each other and to bring out different positions close together. i have no illusions following the meeting and these are old nor new. there can't be any illusions at all anymore. i mean they, they talked about some very personal things, joe biden, confirm this, that we didn't. so it said the job button boards up his childhood and his mother stories about his mother. i mean, this is just sort of things that you would talk about to someone you hated the tested for example. so obviously they're very connected and that is what the said that they connected. nevertheless, they were uncomfortable subjects to broach things that both sides completely

disagree and such as the treatment for ration opposition. figure election of who is currently who is currently serving a 2 year sentence for the violation of his early early release. so suspended sentence. he was convicted by russian and let me approve and he says that you do america, that you are comparing what happened the capitol hill to the treatment of election? yvonne is saying there's nothing in common but border nation. you system there by recording on non systemic opposition. and the citizen you've mentioned, this person knew full well that he was violating russian law. and he knew full well, but there was a warrant for his arrest. nevertheless, he came back to russia and he deliberately wanted to be arrested. so he did what he wanted to do. what else can we say hill? black boot and said the criminals will be arrested. criminals will be treated as in

any other country as, as criminals. nobody's going to be given special conditions, special rides. he said he doesn't want what happened in the capitol hill in the united states to happen in russia. the be a protest, for example, the sort of abuses from, from the law that we've seen there as well as rides bus by processes. but there was also good things, there was talk about constructive dialogue, there was talk about the booth sides when they mentioned when they add their grievances to the other side. booth biden. and putin said that, you know, what they heard was constructive. it was a dictation. it was rather dialogue they agreed for example, and the need for strategic stability. the fact to control the more complicated weapon systems that are being brought online across the world. yeah. they're, they're the 2 full most nuclear power in the world. that doesn't need to be a 3rd one lap of the gist of what they have to say. nevertheless, nevertheless, you know, despite the talking as some of the questions that you had weren't,

weren't off from a point of view where both the scene is equal. for example, the bbc journalist told russia is a tuesday. russia is accused of being unpredictable lied. how are you going to change? what are you going to do about that? so which vladimir putin replied by this model? the story he's given us. now. you said the west leaves that russian foreign policy is unpredictable. well, let me send the park back to you. the u. s. leaving the abm treaty in 2002 with absolutely unpredictable. what were they doing it for that undermine the basis of international stability in the area of strategic security. then withdrew from the i n f treaty in 2019. there's nothing stable about that. the open sky treaty withdrawal, there's nothing stable about it and almost nothing left. thank god, in the field of strategic stability. mr biden has taken

a completely adequate decision to prolong the new start treaty for 5 years. if you take the situation with ukraine with crimea, that's where this all stands, right? what stable about endorsing the qu, they? when the ex president, the coven, agreed to all the demands of the opposition, he was basically ready to abandon power, undeclared, new elections in about 3 months. note, the blood filled qu with needed that lead to known consequences, the southeast of the country than crimea. and you think it's also predictably, no, i don't think so. how do we get them, mr. 3 of the, you know, we will, but they also talked about other things that they agreed to work on. and that is what this summit really is about. both sides claim the same thing that what they want is to bo, joe buttons, phrase rules of the road. so rules about how they behave in certain circumstances regarding certain dispute certain disagreements, even even conflicts from syria. so i've got to start the,

the subspace you like me and said, look, you, you're blaming out. so all these cyber attacks. but the united states is where more attacks come from, that it anywhere else cyberspace of the united states. nevertheless, they agreed to establish a working group according to jo button within the year willing to stab if the work, what they'll be able to what they'll be able to show for it. there was also another question about, well there were many questions about how they personally lied to me. approval and joe barton saw each other. as, for example, vladimir putin was us when he looked into jew biden's eyes, the d. c, a man he could work with. you folks, you know, several years ago when you met dan vice president vida. and he said, you look into your eyes and didn't see a soul there. when you looked into his eyes, the just person you could work with. felicia and you know, the 1st time i've heard this story, although i do not remember it at all,

but i admit it might actually have happened. it seems to me that president biden and i spoke the same language and that does not necessarily mean we have to look into each other's souls, all right, or swear, our turn or friendship, we protect the interests of our countries. and these relations always pragmatic products might interest you heard of the american leader was actually asked about plus whether he saw somebody that he can trust, lied to me, evaded the question. he said that someone he can, he can work with the blood. we're not interested in a new cold war, which is anything new like me said, the same thing he saw the gist of it is this was a trust building exercise. entire summer is about bringing the leaders of the 2 countries together, getting them to add that concerns that grievances towards each other, getting them to talk constructively,

something that they haven't done in many years about moving forward about re established rebuilding relations from the wreckage. the states that they're in now and judging by the comments of both lead this preliminary, they've been successful as well. i mean, that's what it is. what i, whether you are a took tomorrow, whether you will just a normal pass an hour with grievances and taking the 1st step is often the hardest part and looks like we might be oh, but i thought to me that was a lot to unpack and been a long day. thank you. that was more gods who even got his own question to president putin. of course, i'm sure we'll be seeing you a bit later on. now, of course, we know the president putin has left. he's back to rush quick. he's got to sort of like the president biden, to return her. we know that he not only left a lot of people, maybe also some more questions, but with some satisfied aunts as well. she also apparently gifted president biden, a writing that in a very tradition, he decorated russian always folk style,

so at least as a present to show for to so it was nice to get something for trips. exactly. so we're going to talk a little more about the analysis of what was said by both ladies now with hands. crystal fun spun, it can experience diplomat doesn't even begin to describe his experience over 30 years with the united nations former deputy un secretary general. you're speaking to some, just over the border from a to germany, from where we are in switzerland, the launch product. what do you make of that meeting? what do you take away from this summit? well, 1st of all, this is very clear that her the very fearful assumption that it might end in a normal event as something which would disappoint. everyone of course, turned out to be false. and i'm very glad to say that i listen to president press

conference, and i listened a little bit to what mr. biden said, and it is very clear to me, very clear. and i'm glad to to, to say that is my, i don't want to continue to keep the door shots. that's a very good, a very good message that the public east and west will accept some, some surprise. i think what i yeah, they can go ahead. no, i'm sorry i'm, i just wanted to say that i think both presidents show fully aware it seems to be both bilateral as well as multi lateral this functionality that has prevailed in the relationship between. busy the east and the west, but particularly between the us and russia that can no longer

prevail in by the very fact that the globe order is in such chaotic conditions. and therefore both parties and those laws who watched events unfold want to see a possible agreement in the selected areas of cooperation. i think we got confirmation that this is possible in the areas of security in climate change, disarmament and ultimately as it came out in the press conferences, mister, put in the press and put him very clearly said there was a frank and candid conversation with president biden mister biden said that the tone was good and there was no hyper atmosphere. it was a positive,

a positive meeting. i didn't dare to to think that this would be a conclusion, but thank god it was. and then the injection of realism, little bit of humor, also would be the code by, by mr. potent off tolstoy. who he quoted as they is, there is no happiness in life. there's only a glimmer of happiness. i want to no, i'm so i was just going to quickly ask you, i mean both one thing, but they did agree and well actually the language was almost identical when they both said that the us and russia unique responsibility before the global community now about is of course, a very strong weight, you know,

90 percent of the walls. we can off no shot between these 2 countries. do you think that's a hope that something as brewton felt these terrible weapons? he was saying, this is the thing that will constantly keep washington and moscow coming back to each other for discussion. well i, i would say here is their choice. both both parties present biden and present booting. so experience, they know what is on, on the, on the writing board, what are, what problems rephrase globally and that in itself is a signal that the status quo cannot continue. much, you know, i, in all this, in close to relation about something that could have gone sour but didn't go sour.

i want to raise an issue and that is these meetings, the 1st meeting. it went well, really, the 2nd meeting may also bowl. well, they promised each other continuity that's very welcome, but i tell you one thing, the frustration was quickly set in. if both parties are not prepared to debate because they talk about symptoms. if you don't start talking about the fact that maybe we in the west on like to see but they effect there is a process, a process of de westernization and there is a process of eastern ice age. that to me is one major cause of the conflict of the past between the washing tree and moscow, washington,

the big power that sees its, its, its international spending its, its, collect, its power, decreasing the chinese that on an upward trend and be the end result is that yesterday, $800000000.00 less than 10 percent of the global population. that's what the rest is. that this, this group has to accept. and this was one of the areas of interest, apparently that you have for this interview and must accept multi polarity. and out of that for me as a person who has been stripped off his nationality for 32 years by working in the united nations. i can tell you that this is a very important fact that the president biden as,

as uncomfortable as this may be, cannot possibly overlook. this is one on $1.00, cause that cannot be left on attendance. the other one, of course, is something well, it is very, very on or maybe very abstract, but there is a problem. there is a clash in the life model in the, in the systems as a systemic problem. that causes these developments that you see. and i, in the course of this interview, we can for a moment talk about need to also that is something because that's effect and all of that. and then the 3rd are a little short on time. if you do have. so they just say on nato, i pleaded courage to get that point across. right now, i want to, i want to argue that the communique that made to has

issued on the 14th of june must be a document that both presidents have to look at together to understand what that implies. because if that is taken seriously by the west, by civil society also, we haven't had time to talk about civil society. then there's going to be a lingering problem, a disease, a new virus is coming up that will, that will infect the good beginning that we have seen today in geneva. hand, christoph, fun, sharon, thank you very hands, christopher. i just want to thank you very much for your time man, with a lifetime of experience in the field of diplomacy. working at the united nations, the been an awful lot going on. really. i jot lots of digest. we will be continuing that digest. we will vision, but don't worry,

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after the connected voted by one to depose israel's longest serving prime minister . many men that yahoo doesn't make any difference to the ongoing was in the middle east. joining me now from horizon. zimbabwe is a man responsible for putting both men in power off. naphtali advisor, george bramble, and george, i know you're not going to say it's just you who got him into power, but i'll get to get to that in a moment. i better ask you, 1st of all about the bite and put in some it in geneva. what's your take on the significance of the summit? the summit is important for, for some reason. first obviously is the, the russian american relationship. beyond this administration has been at the forefront of geo politics were for decades. certainly coming of, you know, the, the trump era by industry is trying to paint, you know, a different picture and different angle in terms of their relationship with russia . white and you definitely posher himself is trying to be a tough guy and be called upon to match, but in terms of his toughness, poon is