set voted by one to depose israel's longest. having prime minister, been made at yahoo! does it make any difference to the on going was in the middle east? joining me now from horizon zimbabwe is the man responsible for putting both men in power off. naphtali advisor, george bramble, and george, i know you're not going to say it's just you who got him into power, but i'll get to get to that in a moment. i better ask you, 1st of all about the bite and put in some it in geneva. what's your take on the significance of the summit? the summit is important for, for some reason. first obviously is the, the russian american relationship. beyond this administration has been at the forefront of geo politics. we're for decades. certainly coming out of the, the trump era by industry. she is trying to paint, you know, a different picture and different angle in terms of their relationship with russia . vitamins definitely posher himself is trying to be a tough guy and be called upon to match food in terms of his toughness. poon is a master of joe politics to be sure. and i was

a little surprised at the announcements at the biden administration had that they will be holding a solo press conference after the summit as opposed to it's normally a joint press conference. usually joint press conference is our side of some sort of mutual cooperation, mutual acceptance, or at least to show that there is some sort of goodwill coming out of that summit. the fact that the bio ministrations were presented. we said that there will be a unilateral press conference already signal that it's probably going to be quite a contentious one on one. maybe they'll change their mind at the last moment because, i mean, i should also say that after the nato summit, there was that aud moment when lensky of ukraine tweeted that ukraine was going to be part of nato. and that seem to be road back. you, you worked for the mayor of italy glitch go, what do you think about the wisdom of lensky tweeting out that ukraine is? what nater, i would not advise them tweeting at anything that would have had such

a negative response from the americans. i mean, i think with a file he said that, you know, ukraine joining nato is not on, on the agenda to makes it look a little silly. so i think was a bad move on to let's, he's part. but having said that, i am all in favor of nato expansion in article 5 is a very important article in natal charter. and i think it should be brought into include some other countries. certainly what we saw with the, the aggression of russia was gotcha crimea, and eastern and ukraine. but it was, it was not exactly the smartest statement put out there. well, knowing what the reaction was and you think that expansion, obviously russia and the global south arguably say that's a violation of the terms of guarantee given to go. but you of, and previous russian leaders, i mean what, where is by non stuff. i mean, a surprise that he chose victoria newland famous, was saying bleep,

the european union is deputy secretary of state. i understand she didn't like your client could go much to replace. you had coverage. that is a level of inter office politics that i don't really get involved in. i think biting is trying to find a voice for himself to define his presidency early on when it comes to foreign policy. and my experience, especially with united states has always been that there is the president and then there's the state department, and they often don't march and lock stock when it comes to views and policies, whether it's regarding opec or in the least, whether it's regarding eastern europe and so while by just trying to find his voice, i think the state department is always trying to establish their own voice as well . something donald trump would no doubt, totally agree with you on. i think he had a few problems with the state department. okay, so to israel, to the middle east, we've had this terrible 11 day was so many women and children killed. what's the

difference between netanyahu and bennett? well, i think there are a lot of differences and one of the difference is that bennett is going to bring a fresh perspective in a fresh set of eyes to, to decades old problem. and i think based on his experience in the high tech world and everything i know about natalie, having known him for about 15 years now that he's a problem solver, any lights listening to different points of view. he likes brain people of different ideas and different opinions together and finding solutions. and so i'm very helpful that both with the fact that you have a new press of eyes. but you also have the most diverse coalition in israel's history. looking at this, including an era party in the coalition that just being together and sitting at the same table together, not as adversaries, but as coalition partners that some solution can be found. yeah, well you know, nature nation media just characterized that is instability in order to great diverse coalition. you said a fresh pair of eyes ironic that he's against the new to state solution. bennett on

the records are saying that so if i'm us there against the 2 state solution. so it says buller, he's on the same side as a mass and it will well, listen, i'm not going to get out in front of the prime minister in terms of what his policies will be. i do know that if you look historically it israeli leaders, whether it was mon begun who was labeled a terrorist by the british canadian and land in london. you know sure that i had made peace with egypt and you had arial sharon, who came out of the sovereign, she taylor massacres and was, was deemed a blood thirsty politician. he found a way to become a peacemaker yet in yahoo was also vocally opposed to a 2 state solution in 2009 to clear that you know, that would be a solution. whether or not natalie bennett goes in that direction or not is not for me to say, i do know that a solution has to be found. natalie bet wants not just jewish children,

but air of children to grow up in peace. and without the threat of hor always hanging over their heads. having certain military children have to serve in the military. think it's something that you'd want to find a solution to. when it comes to the actual policy, though, i can't get ahead of the prime minister just yet. how many balanced indians has the savvy been killed? because he boasted of course, to former israeli national security by the echo of amador in 2013 that he killed bella finance. but i have, i have no idea what the army, what actions he took part. and so i really can't speak to that. i'll get back to been in a 2nd. if i may. you also advise because benjamin netanyahu, you were chief of staff. how worried you think he's about the corruption indictment and about going to jail? i don't think terribly worried from the, from what the basis of the cases are. if you read into the cases and you read some of the witnesses after upset and what the defense will be, i don't know that they are strong cases. so i don't think he's worried from the standpoint of being exonerated at the end of the day. listen for any human being.

whether you're a prime minister or a private individual, to have these kinds of cases hanging over your head to have your family effected by your human being. it takes a toll for sure. he actually wants to get to the point where it's past him, as opposed to always looking over his head. did you ever meet on milton, who is supposed to have given him money, introduce brad pitt, to engineer julie apparently, and also is responsible nuclear trading. if i met him, it was in passing, shaking his hand. i don't have a recollection of meeting him, but it's possible. i met him somewhere along the line a little. i can tell you that officially in the prime minister's office, i never met him because it was given to buy it and put in some it is on the big top line to that story is the strategic arms limitation treaty and hopefully disarmament nuclear almond around the world, did you ever discuss with them you know, or with bennett the nuclear program in israel? obviously in the news because i'm, i was targeting it with rockets in may. no. why do you don't think that's weird?

no, i don't think it's weird. i don't think it's, i don't know where that it's something that is generally not discussed in public arenas. it's. it's something there. yes. you high levels of sensitivity on israel security. it's clear that the palestinian authority and he's creating some best phone their elections because they thought how much was going to do really well. do you think high on the priority list away from the economy for been it will be this threat. now pose that any time any place anywhere in israel can now be hit regardless of the by hamas rockets. well, certainly the security and safety of the citizens is paramount. any prime minister . and i'm sure the both the israeli military defense forces are looking at all kinds of ways to, to increase the defensive nature of this military iron dome is obviously a huge success. it was built to protect citizens. but the end of the day,

i think for any leader of any country, that's your priority, right, to defend your citizens and protect them and keep them safe. and certainly israel, the entire security apparatus as well. defense apparatus is focused 1st and foremost on safety and security of it. what does that mean? that the shake gera evictions are a price we're paying for israeli towns and cities to be hit by rockets that well grow isn't here. but you know that that's a court case that goes back decades and decades. and it would be for, i'm not familiar with the details of the court case. you know, all those things are certainly sense of even, you know, things like housing, demolitions in israel, even within his role. and not just and shake jar. i'll go through a legal court process and then the security after us has to make a decision whether or not as you said, are the results of, of enforcing something, you know, work the cost. i don't know that anyone anticipated that. what happened. she job lead to what it led to and i think you know, this will have to be something that they look at on case by case basis going forward. now i fundamental de, your vision for the benefit. premier ship is this,

as you said, but i can begun was considered terrorist by the british government because british soldiers were killed after all. aiden in the past by israelis. you say things are different and people move from one reputation to another. sure, nelson mandela from terrorists to freedom fighter. but the tide is turning the other way. surely with israel because you're now seeing people in congress wearing palestinian flags talking about the settlements about the un resolutions about the international law that israel is in violation of. how worried is bennett? by so many little in the young generation of americans protesting in bravery, palestine massive demonstrations during them. a war in new york, no demonstrations for israel, given that israel is ultimately bankrolled by the united states. i think saying that it rolls back with like states is a real piece of income or information. i mean, israel's budget is around 300000000000 of which is we'll get about 3 and

a half 1000000000 from from the united states. so that's about one percent of the overall gdp of israel. so to say that israel is bankrolled by united states is really not a fair thing to say. but on the issue, the palestinians with we have to look at reality. the reality is israel as a state, as a country, as a jewish nation, is your answer to say, it's not going to go anywhere. the palestinians, as a people have, have sort, right? the world is acknowledged that i would say that the un unfairly, especially on the un human rights council, and probably got israel as opposed to even countries like iran when it comes to the resolution condemning human rights. so it's huge about value insecurity code and even un security council resolutions are completely unbalanced when it comes to as well versus the rest of well, i mean tell that, tell them what can i just find the, here's the connections want to answer as well. ok,

but the connections just breaking up a little, i mean i suppose fundamentally boycott divestment sanctions. is the movement spreading across europe given that the use as its anti semitic. and it's wrong to do that to israel is violence. now the only method left for palestinians to uphold those un security council resolutions given the b for boy, divest infections is off the table. you know, it's going to be a losing battle for them. i mean, what will achieve more death of innocent civilians on both sides would be that that's not going to bring a resolution to anything and you don't violence only get violence and it's not going to be a solution choice. thank you very much. after the break, we analyze the light improved in some of the following nato nation condemnation of russia and china. and we asked us president joe biden irish route that made him the resolve arguable post breaks. violations of rules based orders on the irish board

of all isn't coming up in part 2 of going undergrad. ah ah with oh, when i would show the wrong one, i'll just don't the yes to fill out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves will depart and we choose to look for common ground

in towards the summit. the bike administration pushed for a summit with russia. moscow agreed what the bite and people hope to achieve remains unclear. we are told the white house wants to restore predictability and stability, what could possibly go wrong? welcome back to the us president joe biden and russian president vladimir putin. a meeting in geneva, after putin declared the us, russia relationship is deteriorated to its lowest point in years. this comes off the back of the nato and g 7 summit where despite member nations, arguably united over their distrust of russia and china, the agreement was actually made between the u. k and the u over the highly contentious northern ireland protocol. joining me now for analysis from brussels is the independence for change. emmy peter dublin. clare daily. thanks so much clarify

. finally coming on, going underground. obviously, the talk here will be no valley imprisoned by the russian government. there will be talk as was continuing talk about china and hopefully about nuclear disarmament. why for you is the imprisonment of julian assange sought by the joe biden administration for maybe a 175 years in prison. why is he so important in the context of geo politics and the, and the meeting today? well, i suppose san just case really exposes, parker, see all the european union and see us and constantly lecturing russia about human rights under belgium, print journal or whatever. and then here we have a probably the biggest spread press freedom case of generation assange beings anointed freedom for 10 years for exposing us war crimes. fighting continues fast

prosecution. it's also a r y lecture, a few about what's going on in russia. i'm inferred if you are being in the same, they talk talk in one way and then they ignore the big, the big other issues as well. so to me it's just totally exposed to proceed. studies going on be suspicious intervention when it's about geo politics really would like to be in the belly of the beast, the largest trading book in the world. you're in the car, it is a power of it. and then you go and make speeches about julianna's sons. what are your fellow m e p say to you? outside the chamber? you know, a sound in the old days was our wind and dining room here. and he was brought in here by some of the more conservative liberal political groups in here when he was be in both came off today. and then they all kinds of talk to him. most of the feature and the atlantic outlaw travails in the european union on

a fast becoming a role doing its own independence to any great extent. so i think a lot of them wouldn't even allow me mentioned his name in a report on fundamental rights for the period 29. james took this are when we want to freedom for journalists from freedom of expression. we mentioned the chase, you know, the rest of the book doing journalism in the you and they don't speak your name. i mean i made the point. lastly, thought he has been with liberty for 10 years. his health is really jeopardize and it wasn't 10 days when the open russia had, wasn't even arrested 10 days. you're passing emergency motions demanding his release. i mean, the 2 don't, don't clearly it's not freedom unfold mental rights that game playing. i'm using these issues. so there's a weapon, i say sion of here when right, it's just going to prevail fear all the time. and yet of course,

media reporting the bite and put in some we'll be talking about european ideals of human rights. european ideals of a rule. blaze based order. do you think could europe, the biden can rely on europe as a, as a, as a great partner, obviously to buy new ministration as worried about germans. the germans deal on north stream too. but civil tenuously, ireland may be relying on biden's support over the post bricks it deal that bars chunks are certainly divided. it's a really interesting one because what were you really places you who have been buying in today's atlantic agenda, who have been really accelerating russia phobia anti russian sentiments, anti chinese center g, racism, alarming res, which with no bearing to the actual facts and the situation. but at the same time, as you say,

a lot of the members stay on the individual countries to know that there economic interests are not found by having disagreements with russia. nordstrom, too, and other economic investments are clearly to be in terms of russia, but to the advantage of germany and over your power. so it's a bit of a contradiction. as we can see, often this rash rates can get holmes i think we've seen with china. china is the biggest trade or, nor now when i'm on the rhetoric, mounting all europe in parliament about trying to stop. the choice trade deal now is gaining momentum while a lot of the individual countries, obviously, they probably will probably prevail. it's dodgy territory. and i suppose the in pardon me for, from my perspective, this is a by reflecting the u. s. his desperation against the backdrop of change world order, because when fighting says that china is a threat to peace and stability and security of the united states is actually lying

there. no security threat, but they are an economic trash. and that's much where someone probably was trying to change your game. because actually, by putting a chasm between our relations with china, with russia, the us of stealing a situation where we will be more dependent on the us, which i don't think you could. i don't, we should be dependent on anybody. i think you should be furthering its own independence course. why do your fellow european politicians, when there's money to be made as european prosperity at stake? why do they do it? they don't being blackmailed. i know there have been reports of anglo americas phone being bugged by the ca, but i mean, why would they do that if it's not in the interests of the european population? it's incredible. listen, i'm, i asked myself that question loads of times and i think for a couple of different things going on. i mean, certainly there is a growing out to chinese sentiment deals by, i suppose steer of china's growing economic supremacy. actually that's not

a view that shared by europeans. there was a study emission recently which found that 40 percent european see china. so now i are necessary partner when only 12 percent of them saying china and birds to beach whereas, you know, i remember say predominantly taught us with an ally, so it doesn't make sense. but to me, one of the sentiment dealers is very much the arms industry here. i mean, if you want to justify arms expand that you're particularly out of time when economies are children with a house pandemic. why would we choose to spend more money on defense when you got to have an enemy? russia how is being painted into that? it's largely fuels are lost quite a representative on the eastern european countries on the borders of russia. but it's not unusual about the european parliament will be out of touch for assistance on this issue as it is with so many others in fantasies to ireland. the t shirt

when it comes to straight again, war did say my god and said, as regarding the god war, which of course was fueled, arguably by om sales from britain, the united states and the nations to israel said the, the use of force is disproportionate. you don't believe the, the shock went far enough and he went a lot further than the bars. johnson here in london actually went to law for most of the member states on, in their defense like i was in the early part of them for many years. i know, and i believe that our foreign minister has a lonely bible in defense of power. as you say, i would like them to come further. i mean, we have a piece of legislation on the structure for all which kind of stalk for lack of government support. unoccupied territory sale, which will kill a trade in goods from illegal settlements entirely in compliance would be, you know, it could be

a beacon for so many other countries on how to find one. i mean, it shows to me the role record play on the security council as a sort of small independent, neutral country we have. or we used to have more so in the past could stop when everybody, no matter who they were. are that has blown that a fair bit by spending the knee to us military, some through the use of our civilian aircraft, our airport by us military on a daily basis. and we do that because we're subservient to economic investment from america hall, which is really rational and patrick over government now says the policy and challenge board has changed. and of course, the chief strategist to the new prime minister, israel tale bennett. mr. boom woman paul, one said he reg rejects the disproportionate can island be a member of a european union that is closer geopolitically and militarily to the united states,

whilst not being in nato at the same time. is there a big tension for dublin because of this further contradiction, there were unfortunately not from the point of view of our because the tops of the military in are on the ballistic are sharpish and have long sought to be part of the kind of european military club moving with the, the big hardware to be military investments that are now being promoted by the arms industry, or elements in orland. you want to purchase, not the citizen. so they mentioned the european defense fund in the what is that? okay, well, dollars i would say in some order, argues that it's actually illegal because we're legibly out of the founder to bring peace on the continent of europe are never, would there be a world war again and all that good stuff. but it's just a fairy story really, but it's constitution. there were never to be a scenario where just fancy expenditure was directly found from any you just all

dot changed in this financial package going forward for the next few years for the 1st time. now, your fortune is used for direct military expansion. we have an appalling new scheme cause misnamed european piece to servicing, which actually should be called the europe war facility. this replaced upon which was the african piece facility, which was supposed to be far investments in africa. they have destroyed the place for the 1st time for short, but the african piece facility forms could never be support on military. and now the european peace system provide your a p and money. so of which can be used for african nations to buy back your p and are to use in their own countries. the stabilize the situation further on. probably then when the refugee is called the orders of europe, the same big companies will benefit from the contracts to keep them. so you have this big circle all flushed, hold for the beach,

arms companies on so many different problems and it's a complete departure on what be what set up so can already be compatible with that . i would say no, but obviously they are, they play to play the game where we're in, but we're not saying, i mean, we're not the only non national country, but i've had questions recently showing the closer and closer move to a lot of nasal activities. and they just say, i know we're only observing our one on we're not fully involved. they are, they have loads on their hands too. as far as i'm concerned. you said it's a great new form of protection for the continent and the arms companies go say they're great employers on balance. how do you think buying improves in view each other? and imagine whether members of the global south look to putin as something a defender against us, a gemini. how do you see the meeting? yeah, i mean, look at it. huge amount to high about us. a lot of game played on posturing. a home

boy boy, you know, he's going to talk with you on this type of show which is not really helpful, but at the same time they are the think it is a little bit of a sort of a departure from that trauma days left ways and see, you know, i mean i, there's been a lot of hostility and a lot of, i don't like the way the meeting has been. so i find is really objectionable, the way in which russia and china are being conscious, these enemies. so like, you know, we have this nasal so much about the globe growing chinese fresh. this is a nation of 1600000000 people. their military budget is lower than the military budget of western europe. yeah. china, our military trash. it's actually ridiculous. you know, so yeah, i mean, let's say i don't see any calling of relations. they're not really, you know,

island is neutral. maybe they'll meet there next time daily. thank you. high from me. that's the show that's over this blooms. they show we back on 79 years since we, thanks to lena san. generally, i could do an embassy to seek political asylum today. he is being tortured in london, according to the un facing 175 years in prison for publishing revelations of supreme war crimes by major nations until then keep in touch with social media and let us know of using post cold war us. russian relations can be restored. oh, i do wish there was a little finish. you guys actually got an uncovered face men's clothing and showed a whole stuck. it's a kind of s can feminism. name is how camino lebowski,

the clergyman of some of the home other that of us is, was on the job. but you know, the one that gave me she lives in one of the most dangerous and patriarchal provinces of afghanistan cost gala lacey, which time i miss dash, oh no, i shall did that updated anyway. i'm glad that i got the notes that she does her best to fight for women's rights. i am not able to get that done. as you know what i do, i know that she's not here by her nickname. the king was i got it. i much other that was really go on the guy that i

me ah, the pacing cause the talks and hostility, while joe biden double down on the ledge. russian human rights abuses things along the key points to command of the junior. the summit was just finished between the 2 legs. meanwhile, us reporters fight to get close to the president, the head of the tools and some don't take no for an answer. and at the end of his news conference off to the summit, joe biden does question the report he's playing us president would change the mid behavior.