boy shots, the different stories behind the bullets the ah, put in as cause is optimism pass. he wraps up his landmark geneva summits with joe pointed. you believe what has given us to there was no hospitality from the country . our meeting was very constructive. i have no illusions following the meeting and these the old no new. there can't be any illusions at all. why those things are all the less certain off the summer, even appearing to confuse putin with from i caught part of prejudice. please press conference at the end of his post. some news conference jo bought

in questions. reporters claim that the u. s. president would change a lot of pollutants behavior health changes behavior. mister president the i from oscar. this is our teens and national. i'm daniel him through the was the nights. welcome to the program. a constructive without any hostility, not to be approved in his view. and his talks with joe bought and who praise the personal interaction as both spoke at their own post summit news conferences. more details now from all to you in switzerland, who look back at the day's events in geneva. ah

me welcome back to geneva, what i long take. it is worth it. he has been a really long couple of weeks. i'll hold on high. i'll hold up balls around, of course the big russia us summit was building. now it's over and done, the president biden, president putin, they sat down, they talked, i'm really the bottom line is, looks like ties between the 2 countries are better today than they watch more and really looks like the best you can. we could have hopeful they were never going to leave. this is the best of makes, they would never going to move mountains in terms of the problems that exist. but what we have seen is them say that they'll read ignite diplomatic relations, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not to say that, but at some point it's going to happen. we'll see a rushing in washington us some busted it back in moscow. the very basics of diplomacy is going to be existing again when it comes to just how they viewed one

another. we heard from both president saying that yeah, with a positive attitude, we heard from joe biden saying that it wasn't ever going to be friendly, really. it but it was, it was positive, it was certainly positive. and we heard from me a person saying that it wasn't again, it wasn't context that wasn't somebody school remote points that i wouldn't know when a profi good job wasn't to get one off from someone else. it was sent pete to become interesting communication. able to have an open frank dialogue to dissolve to in the future and to do that without any hostility. and that's what we heard from the you. but when you go, mr. and there was no hospitality on the country meeting was very constructive. our views differ on many issues, but i believe both sides have shown a willingness to understand each other and to bring out different positions close together. there wasn't any, any strident action taken,

or we disagreed. i disagree, stated where it was where he disagreed, he stated. but it was not done in a hyperbolic atmosphere. i have no illusions following the meeting, neither old nor new. there can't be any illusions at all by set in vain, russia. and by the way, that was a joke. both presidents have now left. we watched both aeroplanes fly away. we've actually got a pretty good view and it comes to plain spot. i mean, i know the geneva runway, like no one else. travel controls gotten nothing on may. lucian 96 isn't boeing, 74704. now i can see them from about 10 kilometers away out of new stream. but actually the security has been something so know to something that we noticed 2 days ago. when we sold the soldiers, we sold the police, we saw the boat going mad on the lake today we will say, so helicopters flying overhead. it's actually been quite exciting. we've got to be

a perfect view of the sunset over the lake just behind to say your engine. even sticky looking resplendent. it has been roasting but i want to say it's pathetic fantasy absolutely perfect for the heated tubes. and i think they probably walk heated bite and himself gave an unclean that there were some things that he was not willing to negotiate. personally. also that you know what, we have different views on this. we don't have to look i to i but we still have to protect our own people and protect global security. they both said that as need a power obviously shut that responsibility. definitely. that was an i see that it was almost like a business deal, but they had to think very programatically about the relationship moving forward. now course the best pass and place to tell us everything about especially president putin's press conference, was more at god's who himself was literally in the hall. i believe he's got a chance to off president putin. a question himself, among the difficult questions that vladimir putin faced,

that which joe barton had the good fortune to escape with questions about the opposition. vladimir putin pointed out to the protest. but the rest of following the events in capitol hill, they faced as much as 25 years in jail. for you 5 years in jail, for a political protest that the, the du budget said that there's new comparison to because they're criminal, but a legacy in the bombing who was convicted in serving a 2 year sentence for the violation of his early release. so he was convicted by russian court and vladimir putin. he says that you do, americans are comparing what happened on capitol hill to the treatment of election yvonne and saying there's nothing in common. but for the nation, you just, you'll never building on non systemic opposition. and the citizen you've mentioned, this person knew full well that he was violating russian law. and he knew full well,

but there was a warrant for his arrest. nevertheless, he came back to russia and he deliberately wanted to be arrested. so he did what he wanted to do. what else can we say hill? one of the things both leaders agreed on is to borrow jo buttons, words. they need to be rules of the world. so that as a rule to how booth countries should behave in case they come into this agreement over something that's a dispute, you know, outside conflict, how to resolve them as a civilized partners. i wouldn't say friends of 5 who early, but they need a framework of how to behave and for that to happen, those countries need to be held equally accountable. it wouldn't do a fun country gets away with doing something and the other doesn't feel bad and said phrase that caused quite a stir both on live and he said, how would the united states feel if it was she by the rest of the world as meddling in for an election, which much of the world, she's the united states as do it. but they said that met us. russia is accused of

being predictable. by the way. how is russia planning to change? and here vladimir answered, smudgin was going to know that when she told story, she's given your name. you said the west leaves the russian foreign policy is unpredictable. well, let me send the park back to you. the u. s. leaving the abm treaty in 2002 with absolutely unpredictable. what were they doing it for that undermine the basis of international stability in the area of strategic security. then withdrew from the i n f treaty in 2019. there's nothing stable about that's the open sky treaty withdrawal. there's nothing stable about it and almost nothing left. thank god, in the field of strategic stability. mr. biden has taken a completely adequate decision to prolong the new start treaty for 5 years. if you take the situation with ukraine with crimea, that's where this all starts, right?

what stable about endorsing the coup d'etat when the ex president the cove each agreed with all. ready the demands of the opposition, he was basically ready to abandon power, declared new elections in about 3 months. no, the blood filled qu was needed that lead to known consequences the southeast of the country than crimea. and do you think it's us who predictably, no, i don't think so. we just listed the president also us and revealed somewhat personal things like fruit and say, and joe biden confirming that they talked about barton's mother. joe biden bowed up his child with something you wouldn't do, you know, if he was sitting next to somebody you disliked or even the tests that so it shows you the sort of a measure of trust who developed a ny too. i understand that it has developed between the 2 leaders and here a job button was asked for the lively acuteness someone that you can trust which is

you know. busy a question that he evasive he wouldn't answer yes or no, but that was similar questions body he's when he looks and joe buttons eyes new school can yet know several years ago when you met dan vice president vida. and he said, you look into your eyes and didn't see a soul there. when you looked into his eyes, they just said person, you could work with solution. and this is not the 1st time i've heard this story. i do not remember it at all, but i admit it might actually have happened. it seems to me that president by den and i spoke the same language and that does not necessarily mean we have to look into each other's souls or rise or swear our eternal friendship. we protect the interests of our countries. and these relations always pragmatic. at the end of the day, what happened here in geneva, these entire summit was basically a trust building exercise. very few specifics with agreed upon, if any they agreed to talk about many things to work on many things,

but ultimately it is a trust exercise. it is about laying a foundation on which russia the united states can rebuild relations. i wouldn't say build on relations because there are much less the speak off there, there in terms of whether it works. your bottom says we'll find out within the year whether look see results from the, from all the talk from all the agreements for the criticism the both sides had for each other. but the message is that preliminary, it was successful. almera garcia, spend the day in the villa where those talks were taking place. not everybody in the gym missed call was, is nicely behaved or odd. yeah. it was the whole this ticket in town for me to get as close as it could to get your camera in there for the shots and perhaps get a question and asked about the cost to either food and old biden. it actually go out of hand, it won't be soldier unless pushing and shoving it also mentally security say in get

out. you know, the name of the dog does little job and raised voices like i wasn't just before the summer. we also did see a bit of drama as president biden was actually leaving his press conference. these were some, well, this was a rather sharp exchange that he had with a cnn journalist. why are you saying behavior, mister president, the the rest of the company just stated also of course one topic that bite and did raise during the summer that he'd

been really was threatening to raise for weeks. that was something that really grabbed the headlines was the issue of human rights. he did talk a lot about how do he is an american dna. he said, how could i be the president without raising it? and he did, of course, reiterate his promise very onto trump. and promise about being america was back to, to full. he didn't raise that. it was raised in the press conference to and this is exactly what he had to say about human rights on free speech. how could i be the president of the united states of america, and not speak out against the violation human rights? i told him that, unlike other countries, including russia, were uniquely a product of an idea. i also raised the ability of radio free europe radio, liberty to operate, and the importance of a free press and freedom of speech. when it comes to the relationship between the 2, this was billed as a heavy weight clash of the titans. perhaps we weren't expecting any major results,

but certainly looking much between 2 political big guns. what they did say, both of them was that they talk to not just the president biden, the president, but joe biden, to mon, vladimir burton. them on both saying that there was, i said know how still it is we heard earlier on when they agrees one things that they could cooperate on. they talked about those when they disagree. they made sure that both of their points were made as forcefully as they could, jo, by the us president saying though, while it was over record, it's unlikely that they're going to be embracing one another and swaying side to side anytime soon. i don't think he's looking for a cold war with united states. i don't think it's about, as i said to him, i said your generation of mine are about 10 years apart. this is not a come by our moment is used to say back in the sixty's united states like less huggy and love each other. but it's clearly not in anybody's interest. your

countries are mine for us to be in a situation where we're in a new cold war. of course it wouldn't be a terabyte of parents. what about a couple of gas? what would, if you shave channel, if you didn't do that, he was caught early on with some notes on his lot. what people are cooling sheet sheets as he was sitting in the protocol room with president putin. you've also got caught reading off a promise just before the press conference, before he started taking questions from the john this one point. he also seemed to get confused about who he'd been sitting across from the table with for all those 3 hours. it was his thoughts on it as since taking office. so maybe got a bit overwhelmed. i caught part or prejudice trying to press conference at the tone of the entire meetings, i guess was total 4 hours was was what was was good positive. and i'm wondering if there was anything that you emerged from in the discussion that made you think

that would take my code on our defense, our intelligence and our foreign well our from my foreign minister was for administering my secretary state was with me the whole time you can decide what time you're going to weigh, or you advise to continue to wear a time. that's going to be a message. but if you can't hide the grimace, you can't hide an expression on your face. you can try sometime back when, when putin and donald trump met, that was very interesting in that donald trump, with the unseasoned politician. so he was much more fun to read because at that stage was early on in his presidency. he wasn't a will not that he became very refined, but he was a lot less refined in that he even became. and you could see a lot more going on there. and a contrast between the 2, putin who's, who's been around a long time and very sees. and in this regard, you could see this contrast here. both are very, very well trained in this regard. biden's been around from before. god probably add,

but you know, and, and he knows the stuff he might be doing very well. i think on the international stage, but he does and it is harder to read and we've got to look at those clues a lot, a lot more closely. we saw the cheerleaders standing on the steps of the village currently ground, with the swiss president in between them. know this is a sponsor. i remember very well from my childhood. me one of my best mates, andrew. we went forever fighting one another. one of our mothers would end up standing between us and going you to be friends. what does that mean? i'm not reading far too much into this. what was that? well, you know, for what can you tell us about the language of the latest? in fact, your, your analogy around your childhood. i think it's very, very apt because what we've seen is exactly that. and when i saw the expression on biden's face when he smiled and, and greeted it was almost like you were a kid. and maybe you were on stage and your mom was in the audience. thank smile

while remember to smile. and that was the sense that i got it. it wasn't a response, it was more of a i'm told to do this. i think that the handshake as well, was choreographed. we knew they both knew that we're going to shake hands. there wasn't a discussion on the stairs around that that has already happened and bob couldn't wait to, to lean forward to, to shake hands because that's what he was told to do. so that was something very, very awkward as though these, these 2 men, in fact were children. now we think back when, when biden made a comment to that, that awful comment about putin being a killer. he made it publicly when, when putin was asked about it, he said, well, when i was young and we were in the courtyard playing a, you know, we used to 20 each other and i would, he takes one to know one. so think about that a lot of the childhood stuff way one person is trying to get on top will get the

better of the other. that was one of us and pardon me and this world is also very interested in shouldn't us ties a very small person, a little 9 year old? can a go she, he said, and a question to president putin on the conference. let's listen quickly. it's great that you will, 9 year old daughter is interested in this issue. and the answer is very simple. you have to look around and say, you see how beautiful this world is and adults, the leaders of the 2 countries, the largest nuclear power, a meeting in order to make this world a safe, reliable, prosperous home for all inhabitants of our planet. well, that's it from us. it has a wild ride for the last few days. i'll tell you that we came, we were given such a beautiful view. we will give an unbelievable guest. i got to work with pizza. i've had wonderful company. we've had some luck. we've taken care of some serious business and all the people. yeah, thank you so much. all of you who joined us here on

t and from geneva. goodbye. ah . logged out to my over and senior to to the real news network for his take on the summit. mike, thanks for joining us on the program today. i suppose in a while. yeah. correction not just a quick correction. i'm the editor of the gray zone dot com. we will get that change in the title. mike, thanks for for that correction. just go back to the, to the summit. i suppose one could say, if you go in with love expectations, you can't be disappointed about anything, right? do you think that was the case that the summer mean? is it, did it go as well as anyone could have expected? it's really the battle of narratives right? now, in the us with the media attempting to shape the perception of the summit and to position biden. and that's what i thought was most fascinating about this. i was

wondering, would the media give bite in the space that he might have earned to actually craft the strategic dialogue and to deal with these important issues, these existential issues about arms control? the militarization of the arctic syria were biden, is signaling some kind of strategic walk back libya, which the u. s. were reduced to a failed state. and what we saw was the same media that showed up in helsinki to badger both trump and potent. but in a much more managed setting, and you could actually the tension between biden and this very militaristic jingo, istic pack, of beltway figures was palpable. so by didn't actually began by signaling interest in negotiation. he was much more interested in de thompson, i expected. and then the press comes in for reporters pre selected for bide, and each with a more hostile question than the next pushing bite into declare that he would

authorize a military response to a mysterious ransomware attack. another question about nevada. these hypothetical of death, an apparent fantasy of the beltway press corps because it would escalate the hostility that they seem to so much enjoy. and then finally, the exchange which you played earlier and his playing on repeat in us media of biden and cnn, caitlin collins, which actually thought was positive moment for biting because he was finally pushing back against these reporters, trying to corner him into a militaristic position where dialogue is impossible. so this summit really highlighted the role of the beltway press corps as a force multiplier for the most militaristic elements of the american permanent state, the national security state. and that really highlights not only what biden's up against, but what trump was up against as well, what trump called the deep state in which he was marked for naming. yes,

certainly the media, there were off a loud story. what do you think of the main positives we can take away from the for the meeting, the leader said that, you know, they're going to be best friends. i think that was obvious from las thought. if we would write this on a scale of $1.00 to $101.00 being disastrous, 10 being fantastic. where would this be? you know, i honestly cannot rate this because i wasn't in the room. i don't know how it's going to play out. biden has to contend with some very hostile elements in washington who will have his own considerations. but i think the summit was something that biden was demanding, which is very interesting. and which putin and his diplomatic corps were resisting because biden wasn't putting anything on the table. what i think will be interesting. an interesting gauge on this meeting is how biden performs and behaves

in front of the chinese president g. because i suspect biden is offering russia carrots, along with a lot of other sticks and putting for this list of critical infrastructure sites that shouldn't be attacked. well, in order to prod russia to d, link itself from china, which has been this delusional fantasy that us leaders have enjoyed in which trumps ought to do as well. so i think we don't know how this summit is going to bode at this. at this point. i just want to go back to the question of media, which you quite actually raised because the focus of a lot of media not only was on the geopolitical issues between russia and the united states. it was also on what can be described as internal ross in issues, namely alex and a valley the detains imprisoned opposition activists. let's take a quick look again at that exchange with the journalists. did you commit to

stopping your crank down against the opposition groups inside russia? led by election of electing yvonne him why? why are young people not allowed to protest in russia? one journalist in particular, bloom bugs, jennifer jacob, she claim month with the food and didn't question. and he replied to her with a post of songs in detention. what do you make of that topic being such a send to pay such a fixation for journalist as opposed to all the other major issues that were on the table. while the mentality of these journalist is the mentality of the east coast establishment, they operate from a place of american exceptionalism and american innocence. they cannot fathom that the u. s. could possibly be literally paying opposition. figures, managing opposition, figures or that during the 1900 ninety's. the u. s. essentially managed russia and its economy under the rule of boris yeltsin or that in 1996. the u. s. helped

yeltsin steel and election. they can, they know none of that history. and so they simply seen of omni as someone who as andrea mitchell and m. s. nbc said is a legitimate opposition leader who has been sentenced to slave labor. michael mcfaul, former us ambassador, has said that the u. s. does not pay opposition leaders in russia, and we know that's totally false. the u. s. 3 usa id and the national endowment for democracy is funding opposition. movements and media arms all around the globe from across russia to russia's periphery in bella, luce, to nicaragua, and venezuela. and they create these maximal listed rejection, is opposition, forces that exist solely to perpetuate regime change. and so when these reporters were badgering putting about nevada, they were unable to accept his response, which was that we don't want to see something like what you saw on january 6 with

a movement of insurrection just russia is facing a movement. pushing for machine change. and so the way that the u. s. media understands this, is that the u. s. has no possible role inside russia when we just saw on video, the outgoing director of the national endowment for democracy. carl grossman, someone who has gone in the wash written in the washington post a call for regime change in moscow. boasting that the any d has an entire network inside russia and that lack of context is really unfortunate. and the american public is never provided that in our own media here. yeah, and certainly was the end of the day. certainly, that wasn't a tension between biden and the media that of him sort of losing patience with the last why he was optimistic about changing pollutants behavior given need made no concessions. let's take

a quick look at that role. the 10s exchange that makes no sense to meet with you make no sense to me to tell you what i'm about to do make not because you want to hide it. why would i let's just one of 2 more exchanges. it actually did up and between a buyer and the medium that's quite a surprise real, isn't it? because of the outgoing the previous us president trump. of course he was well known for his classes with media here. so if you towards a, some media boys low, not usually someone who tends to not journalists, it's a bit of a surprise. he, he is someone who snaps a journalist. he recently threatened to run over a journalist who asked him a barely critical question about israel palestine. during the recent escalation and gaza, this is classic biden, its why his aides keep him away from the press. he was kept away from the press and from constituents during the presidential campaign. this is classic biden,

but it's fascinating in the current atmosphere because they what the but way press core does as i pointed out, they never challenge a u. s. leader from the left. so they'll never ask him about julian assange. they will only ask about no volunteer and a this bloomberg white house reporter jennifer jacobs, both on twitter about heckling putting an fantasizes about biden smiling at her, which says everything you need to know about these deny g offers. they're not holding power to account in their own capital, their heckling the designated enemies of america, and hoping to get the approval of their president. and another point that i want to make is that biden, when he claim to have called putting the killer, which i think was completely made up. because vitamin been at that time, his vice president sent to moscow to reignite the reset and get a new start treaty going. he was in a room with staff at all times. there was no way it made sense for him to call

putting a killer in that context, and there are people around it all that, that the whole time putting himself said he didn't remember by calling himself a killer biden made that remark. he boasted about calling putting the killer in this feverish new cold war atmosphere. that's been stoked by the u. s. press, especially in the, you know, against the backdrop of russia good. and he's boxed himself into a difficult position when he actually wants to negotiate with prudent. and so he's trying to walk back these comments and the press wants him to say it again. they're so eager for that hostility. well, certainly the thought was going to be interesting relationship over the next 4 years. mike blumenthal also see the grades in project. thanks so much for joining us in the program here today. well, thoughtful too. so i will join us again in 30 minutes for the latest i .