it made sense for him to call putting a killer in that context, and there were people around it all the that the whole time putting himself said he didn't remember biden calling himself a killer biden made that remark. he boasted about calling prudent killer. in this feverish new cold war atmosphere that's been stoked by the u. s. press, especially in the, you know, against the backdrop of russia, get it. and he's boxed himself into a difficult position when he actually wants to negotiate with prudent. and so he's trying to walk back these comments and the press wants him to say it again. they're so eager for that hostility. well, certainly the thought was going to be interesting relationship over the next 4 years. max blumenthal, also senior editor at the grades in project. thanks so much for joining us in the program here today. so for those would you want us to get in 30 minutes for the last the, [000:00:00;00]

the with i'm action returns here we're getting underground on blooms day, alleging the stories, the powerful ones you know, coming up in the show on the day that world war and peace is discussed in june even between by an improved and we talk to a strategist who helped ukraine's politicians and now advisors israel's new prime minister. tale bennett. after being chief of stuff to former pm benjamin netanyahu deposed in the wake of may's 11th. a war that killed so many civilians in the middle east. and what is it? steak for europe is vitamin to meet in geneva today as bar? as johnson contemplates breaking the breaking the lease signed threatening piece in ireland with a global pandemic, catalyzed new thinking about the brussels liberal project. that is arguably still

of recovered from a price or more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, as a new prime minister in israel, natalie bennett, after the connected voted by one to depose, israel is longest serving by minister many men at yahoo! does it make any difference to the ongoing was in the middle east? joining me now from horizon zimbabwe is the man responsible for putting both men in power off. naphtali advisor, george bramble, and george, i know you're not going to say it's just you who got him into power, but i'll get to get to that in a moment. i better ask you, 1st of all about the bite and put in some it in geneva. what's your take on the significance of fee summit? the summit is important for, for some reason. first, obviously is the, the russian american relationship. beyond this administration has been at the forefront of geo politics. we're for decades, certainly coming out of the, the trump era by industry is trying to paint a different picture, a different angle in terms of their relationship with russia. biden is definitely

posher himself, is trying to be the tough guy and be called upon to match food in terms of his toughness. poon is a master of geo politics. to be sure, and i was a little surprised at the announcement at the biden administration had that they will be holding a solo pro conference after the summit as opposed to it's normally a joint press conference. usually joint press companies are sign of some sort of mutual cooperation, mutual acceptance, or at least to show that there is some sort of goodwill coming out of that summit. the fact that the bio ministrations were presented. we said that there will be a unilateral press conference already signal that it's probably going to be quite a contentious one on one. maybe they'll change their mind at the last moment because, i mean, i should also say that after the nato summit, there was that odd moment when lensky of ukraine tweeted that ukraine was going to be part of nato. and that seem to be road back. you,

you worked for the mayor of italy glitch go, what do you think about the wisdom of lensky tweeting out that ukraine is? what nato? i would not advise him tweeting at anything that would have had such a negative response from the americans. i mean, i think with a file he said that, you know, ukraine joining nato is not on, on the agenda makes it look a little silly. so i think was a bad move on to let's, he's part. but having said that, i am all in favor of nato expansion. article 5 is a very important article in natal charter, and i think it should be brought into include some other countries. certainly what we saw with the, the aggression of russia was gotcha crimea, and eastern and ukraine. but it was, it was not exactly the smartest able to put out there. well, knowing what the reaction was. and you think that expansion of the russia and the global south arguably say that's a violation of the terms of guarantee given to go which of and previous russian

leaders, i mean what, where is by non stuff. i mean, a surprise that he chose victoria newland famous, was saying bleep the european union as the secretary of state. i understand she didn't like your client could go much to replace any coverage that is a level of inter office politics that i don't really get involved in. i think biting is trying to find a voice for himself to define his presidency early on when it comes to foreign policy. and my experience, especially with united states has always been that there is the president, and then there's the state department, and they often don't marching lock stock when it comes to views and policies, whether it's regarding opec or in the least, whether it's regarding eastern europe and so while by just trying to find his voice, i think the state department is always try to establish their own voice as well.

something donald trump would no doubt, totally agree with you on. i think he had a few problems with the state department. okay, so to israel, to the middle east, we've had this terrible 11 day was so many women and children killed. what's the difference between netanyahu and bennett? well, i think there are a lot of differences. and one of the differences that bennet is going to bring a fresh perspective in a fresh set of eyes to, to decades old problem. and i think based on his experience in the high tech world and everything i know about natalie, having known him for about 15 years now, he's a problem solver, and he likes listening to different points of view. he likes brain people of different ideas in different opinions together and finding solutions. i'm so very helpful that both with the fact that you have a new press of eyes. but you also have the most diverse coalition in israel's history. looking at this, including an era party in the coalition that has been together and sitting at the same table together, not as adversaries,

but as coalition partners that some solution can be found. yeah, well you know, nature nation media just characterized that is instability in order to great diverse coalition. you said a fresh pair of eyes ironic that he's against the new to state solution. bennett, on the record, you're saying that so if i'm us there against the 2 state solution, so it says beula, he's on the same side as a math and it will well, listen, i'm not going to get out in front of the prime minister in terms of what his policies will be, i do know that if you look historically it israeli leaders, whether it was been begun, who was labeled a terrorist by the british. you couldn't even land in london. you know? sure that i had made peace with the gyptian. you had arial sharon, who came out of sovereign she till a massacres, and was deemed a blood thirsty politician. you know, he found a way to become a peacemaker. netanyahu was also vocally opposed to a 2 state solution in 2009 to clear that that would be

a solution. whether or not natalie bennett goes in that direction or not is not for me to say, i do know that a solution has to be found. natalie, you bet, wants not just jewish children, but air of children to grow up in peace and without the threat of war, always hanging over their heads. having certain military children have to serve in the military to get something that he want to find a solution to. when it comes to actual policy, though, i can't get ahead of the prime minister just yet. how many balanced indians has been killed because he boasted, of course, to former israeli national security via yeah, of amber do. in 2015. they killed palestinians, but i have, i have no idea what he was in the army, what actions he took part in. so i really can't speak to that, i'll get back to been in a 2nd. if i may. you also advise because benjamin netanyahu, you were chief of staff. how worried you think his about the corruption, indictment and about to jail? i don't think terribly worried from the, from what the basis of the cases are. if you read into the cases and you read some

of the witnesses aptis upset and what the defense will be, i don't know that they are strong cases. so i don't think he's worried from the standpoint of being exonerated at the end of the day. listen for any human being, whether you're a prime minister or a private individual, to have these kinds of cases hanging over your head to have your family affected by your human being. it takes a toll for sure. he actually wants to get to the point where it's past him, as opposed to always looking over his head. did you ever meet on milton? who's supposed to have given him money, introduce brad pitt, to engineer julie apparently, and also is responsible for nuclear trading. if i met him, it was in passing, shaking his hand. i don't have a recollection of meeting him, but it's possible. i met him somewhere along the line a little. i can tell you that officially in the prime minister's office, i never met him because it was given to buying food in somebody's on the big top line to that story is the strategic arms limitation treaty and hopefully

disarmament nuclear almond around the world. did you ever discuss with no or with bennett the nuclear program in israel? obviously in the news because i'm i was targeting it with rockets in may. no. why do you don't think that's weird? no, i don't think it's weird. i don't think it's i don't, it's weird that it's something that is generally not discussed in public arenas. it's. it's something there. yes. you high levels of sensitivity on israel security . it's clear that the palestinian authority and he's created some postpone their elections because they what am i was going to do really well. do you think high on the priority list away from the economy for been it will be this threat now posed at any time any place anywhere in israel can now be hit regardless of the by hamas rockets. well, certainly the security and safety of the citizens is paramount. any prime minister . and i'm sure the both the israeli military defense forces are looking at all kinds of ways to,

to increase the defense of nature of his military. iron dome is obviously a huge success. it was built to protect citizens, but the end of the day, i think for any leader of any country that your priority right to defend your citizens and protect them and keep them safe. and certainly israel, the entire security apparatus as well. defense apparatus is focused 1st and foremost on safety and security of it. so what does that mean? that the shake gera evictions are a price we're paying for israeli towns and cities to be hit by rockets? i mean, that's well, isn't it here? you know that that's a court case that goes back decades and decades and it would be for, i'm not familiar with the details of the court case. you know, all those things are certainly sense of even, you know, things like housing, demolitions in israel, even within his role and not just 6 out of go through a legal court process. and then the security after us has to make a decision whether or not as you said, are the results of enforcing something, you know,

work to cost. i don't know that anyone anticipated that. what happened to she job lead to what it led to. and i think, you know, this will have to be something that they look at it on case by case basis going forward. now i fundamental de, your vision for the benefit. premier ship is this, as you said, but i can begun was considered terrorist by the british government because british soldiers were killed after all. aiden in the past by israelis, you say things different, and people move from one reputation to another. sure, nelson mandela from terrorists to freedom fighter. but the tide is turning the other way. surely with israel, because you're now seeing people in congress wearing palestinian flags talking about the settlements about the un resolutions about the international law that israel is in violation of how worried has been it by so many middle in the young generation of americans protesting in bravery palestine massive demonstrations during them. a war in new york, no demonstrations for israel,

given that israel is ultimately bankrolled by the united states. i think saying that it rolls back with united states is a real piece of interest information. i mean, israel's budget is around 300000000000 of which is we'll get about 3 and a half 1000000000 from, from the united states. so that's about one percent of the overall g, d, p of israel. so to say that israel is bankrolled by united states is really not a fair thing to say. but on the issue, the palestinians, listen, we have to look at reality. the reality is israel as a state, as a country, as a jewish nation, is your answer to say, it's not going to go anywhere. the palestinians as a people have, have sort, right? the world is acknowledged that i would say that the un unfairly, especially on the un human rights council, probably got israel as opposed to even countries like iran when it comes to the resolution condemning human rights. so it's un, secure, a huge value in security cars and even un security council resolutions are

completely unbalanced when it comes to versus the rest of well, i mean tell that, tell them what can i just find the connections and bring wanted to answer as well. yeah. okay, and the connection is just breaking up a little. i mean, i was fundamentally boycott divestment sanctions. is the movement spreading across europe given that the use as it's anti semitic and it's wrong to do that to israel is violence. now the only method left for palestinians to uphold those un security council resolutions given the b for boy divestment sanctions is off the table. you know, it's going to be a losing battle for them. i mean, what will achieve it'll shoot more death of innocent civilians on both sides of you that that's not going to bring a resolution to anything and you don't violence only get the violence and it's not going to be a solution. george, my mom, thank you. you're very much after the break. we analyze the improved in some of the

following nato nation condemnation of russia in china. and we are asking us president joe by irish roots that made the man resolve arguable post breaks violations of rules based orders. only irish board of all isn't coming up. in part 2 of going undergrad, imac kaiser or more of my guys do financial survival? this is a hedge fund, it's a device used by professional galle wags to earn money. that's right. these hedge funds are completely not accountable, and we're just adding more more to them totally, the stabilize global economy. you need to protect yourself and get inform wildcard me welcome back to the us president joe biden and russian president vladimir putin . a meeting in geneva, after putin declared the us,

russia relationship is deteriorated to its lowest point in years. this comes off the back of the nato g 7 summit, where despite member nations arguably uniting over their distrust of russia and china, the agreement was actually made between the u. k and the u over the highly contentious northern ireland protocol. joining me now for analysis from brussels is the independence for change. emmy peter, dublin. clare daily. thanks so much clarify. finally coming on, going underground. obviously, the torque here will be no valley imprisoned by the russian government. there will be talk, continuing, talk about china and hopefully about nuclear disarmament. why for you is the imprisonment of julian assange sought by the joe biden administration for maybe a 175 years in prison. why is he so important in the context of geo politics and the, and the meeting today? well, i suppose san just case really exposes, parker, see all the european union and see us and constantly lecturing russia about

human rights under belgium, print, some journalists or whatever. and then here we have a probably the biggest spread press freedom case of the generation of springs and freedom for 10 years for exposing us war crimes. fighting continues fast prosecution. it's also a part of why lecture a few about what's going on in russia. i'm imperative you are being in the same, they talk the talk in one way and then they ignore the big, the big other issues as well. so to me it's just totally exposed to proceed. studies going on be suspicious intervention when it's about geo politics really would like to be in the belly of the beast, the largest trading book in the world. you're in the car to have power of it. and then you go and make speeches about julianna's sons. what are your fellow m e p 's say to you outside the chamber, you know a san june the olden days was our wine and dine jim here he was brought in here by

some of the more conservative liberal political groups in here when he was be in both came off the day and then they all kinds of dropped my my most of the feature and the atlantic that prevails in the european union on a fast becoming a role doing its own independence to any great extent. so i think look, a lot of them wouldn't even allow me mention his name in a report on fundamental rights for the period 29. james took this are when we want to freedom for journalist from freedom of expression. we mentioned the sounds chase, you know, the rest of your book doing journalism in the you and they don't speak your name. i mean, i made the point last week that he has been with liberty for 10 years. his health is really jeopardize and it wasn't 10 days when the open motion page wasn't

even arrested 10 days on the european passing emergency motions demanding his release. i mean, the 2 don't, don't clearly, it's not very fraser. my old mentor writes back game playing. i'm using the say, she's a wife and i say sion of here when right. it's just coasting under prevail fear all the time. and yet of course media reporting the by it and put in some will be talking about european ideals of human rights. european ideals of a rule. blaze based order. do you think your biden can rely on europe as a, as a, as a great partner, obviously divide the ministration as worried about germans. the germans deal on north stream too. but civil tenuously island may be relying on biden's support over the post bricks it deal that burst chunks are certainly divided. it's really interesting because what we really places you who have been buying in

today's atlantic gender, who have been re, seller raising russia. phobia anti russian sentiment, anti chinese sentiment g. racism, alarming race which with no bearing to the actual faction the situation. but at the same time, as you say, a lot of the members on the individual countries know that there economic interests are not by having disagreements with russia, nor string to another economic investments are clearly to be hostage of russia. but to the advantage of germany, i know that your power, so it's a bit of a contradiction. as we can see, often this rhetoric can get our hands. i think we've seen that with china. china is the biggest trade or, nor. now, when i'm out of the rhetoric, mounting all, why do you are being parliament about trying to stop? the choice trade deal now is gaining momentum. while a lot of the individual countries, obviously,

they probably sense will probably prevail. it's tara tree. and i suppose the pardon me, for, from my perspective, this is a, by reflecting us his desperation against a backdrop, a change world order. because why fight in the says the china is a threat to peace and stability and security of the united states. it's actually lying. there are no security threat, but they are in economic trash. and that's very much where someone you explain a dangerous game because actually by putting your chasm between our relations with china, with russia, the us is stealing a situation where we will be more dependent on the us, which i don't think you could. i don't, we should be dependent on anybody. i think you should be furthering its own independence course. why do your fellow european politicians, when there's money to be made as european prosperity at stake? why do they do it? they don't being blackmailed. i know there have been reports of anglo miracles, phone being bugged with ca, but i mean,

why would they do that if it's not in the interests of the european population? it's incredible. listen, i asked myself that question low times. and i think for a couple of things going on, i mean, certainly there is a growing our chinese sentiment deals by, i suppose steer all joiners, growing economic supremacy. actually that's not a view that shared by europeans. there was a study emission recently which found our 40 percent european see china. so now i are necessary partner when only 12 percent of them saying china and i birds to beach whereas, you know, i remember say predominantly taught us with an ally, so it doesn't make sense. but to me, one of the sentiment dealers is very much the arms industry here. i mean, if you want to justify arms expenditure, particularly at a time when economies are sold with a house pandemic, why would we choose to spend more money on defense when you got to have an enemy?

russia has been painted into bond. it's largely fuels are lost quite a representative from the eastern european countries on the borders of russia. but it's not unusual about the european parliament will be out of touch for the citizens on this issue as it is with so many others in fantasies to ireland. the t shirt when it comes to streaming and war did say my god and said, as regarding the gaza war, which of course was fueled, arguably by om sales use of force is disproportionate. you don't believe the the shock went far enough and he went a lot further than the bars. johnson here in london actually went to law for most of the member states on, in the defense like i was in the urge them for many years. i know, and i believe that our foreign minister has a lonely bible in defense of power. as you say, i would like them to come further. i mean, we have a piece of legislation on the statute books at home,

which kind of stalk for lack of government support. unoccupied territory sale, which will kill a trade in goods from illegal settlements entirely in compliance would be, you know, it could be a beacon for so many other countries on our own house. and, and finally, when i'm going to chose to make their own record play on the security council as a started by small independent, neutral country. we had, we used to have more so in the past could stop when everybody, no matter who they were. are that has blown out a fair bit by spending the money to us military, some through the use of our civilian aircraft, our airport by the us military on a daily basis. and we do that because we're subservient to economic investment from america hall, which is really rational. and patrick over government now says the policy on shall, enabled, has changed. and of course, the chief strategist to the new prime minister, israel tale bennett. mister boom,

woman pa one said he reg rejects that is disproportionate. can island be a member of a european union that is close geopolitically and militarily to the united states, whilst not being in nato at the same time? is there a big tension for dublin because of his 1st contribution? there were unfortunately not from the point of view of our political establishment because the tops of the military in orland, on the political establishing have long sought to be part of the kind of european military club. moving with the big hardware debate, military investments that are now being promoted by the arms industry, or elements in orland, you want to purchase, not the citizen. so they mentioned the european defense fund in the what is that? okay, well, i would say, and so more to argue that it's actually illegal because we're alleged believe your opinion supposedly founded to bring peace on the continent of europe or never would

that be a world war again and all that good stuff. but it shows very story really, but it's constitution. there were never to be a scenario where japan expenditure was directly found from you just all that changed in this financial package going forward for the next few years. for the 1st time. now, you bought it is used for direct military expansion. we have an appalling new scheme caused misnamed european piece. the serenity which actually should be called the european war facility. this replaced upon which was the african piece facility, which was supposed to be far investments in africa after they have destroyed the place for a time. for short. the african piece facility forms could never be new to bond or military. and now the european piece facility provides european money. so of which can be, you are african nations to buy back your opinion are to use in their own countries

. the stabilize the situation further on probably when the refugee is called to the board. if you're the same, big companies will benefit from the contracts to keep them. so you have the circle all flushed, hold for the beach arms companies on so many different phones and it's a complete archer on the setup. so can already be compatible with that. i would say no, but obviously they are, they play to play this game where we're in, but we're not saying, i mean, we're not the only non national country. i've had questions recently showing the closer and closer move you to a lot of nasal activities and they just say, i know we're only observing our way. we're not fully involved. they are, they have loads on their hands too. as far as i'm concerned. he said it's a great new form of protection for the continent and the arms companies of course, say they're great employers on balance. how do you think biking and push in view

each other and imagine whether members of the global south look to putin as a defender against us, a gemini, how do you see the meeting? yeah, i mean, look at it, a huge amount of about us, not a game played on posturing of home. boys, boys are not, he's going to get talk with you. i'm just trying to show which is not really helpful, but at the same time they are the think it is a little bit of a sort of a departure from 2 days left ways and see, you know, i mean i, there's been a lot of hostility and a lot of, i don't like the way the meeting has been post, i find is really objectionable. the way in which russia and china are being conscious, these enemies. so if you like, you know, we have this national so much about the globe growing chinese trash. this is a nation of 1600000000 people. their military budget is lower than the military budget of western europe. yeah. china, our military trash. it's such a ridiculous,

you know, so, yeah, i mean, look, let's see, i don't see any calling of relations. they're not really, you know, island is neutral. maybe to me there next time. daily. thank here tie from me. that's the show that's over this blooms. they show way back on saturday, 9 years, in wiki thinks julian assange entity. i could join embassy to seek political asylum today. he is being tortured in london, according to the un facing 175 years in prison for publishing revelations of supreme war crimes. by nato nations, until then, keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think post cold war us russian relations can be restored. ah, towards the summit, the by did ministration push for a summit with russia. moscow agreed,

what the vital people hope to achieve remains unclear. we are told the white house wants to restore predictability and stability. what could possibly go wrong? the person as cautious optimism wraps up his landmark zuniga summit. joe biden. when you go through what i did, there was no hospitality on the country meeting was very constructive. i have no illusion following the meeting needs it. oh no news that can't be any illusions at all. bottom seems rather less certain off of the summer, even appearing to confuse putin with from i caught part of prejudice, truck food, press conference. at the end of his post summit news conference,