on every rational assessment, england rich reads of why the talent should send them victoria, england, where i woke up semi finalist in 2018. and according to the talisman captain heidi came there even stronger nice. they have started constantly seeing a twist. collins in contrast to the finals of the units and meant by birch of to pedal tissue types there. hi, hope the 1st game. thank you. we're just 500 high on monday. i'm yet, so we're almost done school can and if it, well i'm to go. that is a whisper. and under dogs may just be the rising site on the cost of a board and generation of young scottish. how could they finally last in the think led by their captain and inspirational? lead back on the roberson. today on the alex, i mean sure we do. some of the hidden history of the world was ancient football. rightfully and speculate what it might just means for the politics of the 2 nation . it is 22 years since gotten beat. the old enemy has to go. and even then,

it was the 2nd leg of a player. and it was anyone who still qualified way back in the history of the game . it was this scotland team who are dominant in 1882 the home of english, the chief wembley of the oval. now one of the homes of english crickets, scotland were content by another culture less, but i football pioneer, i'm growing breaker on the world's 1st flag international player. alex takes up the remarkable story with football historian, move walker with some help from england writing john fines. and if you will not be the 1st and thus far, only black women to cats and scotlands. well, lou walker over one of the horns of english cricket, but in march, 1881 there was a football much played here and it's a national much tell me, well, not well, england got something i'm afraid but the scottish team was led by andrew

watson. so who was this guy start was left, but i'm captain andrew watson. andrew watson was the 1st man of color to play international football. so i'm going off the mast and scott, a football. i know a bit wembley with us. i know a bit the next to 60 stuff in game and scott against england high in front of i have the scottish captain who led the site to a 61 flashing of england. partly because the speed at which the game developed and partly because it was considered an entertainment and no one really kept good records or histories or did any kind of research or analysis on football . and, and these, this generation under watson generation and the generation that followed him, there are the forgotten generation of football. but they're the ones that, that found in the game as we know today. and you have for the book, but under watson, tell us,

tell me about the title 1st. explain the title to me. yeah, andrew watson are struggling life. it's a phrase that was used by journalists to describe andrew when he left for social to play football. that's got to journalist and it was the inspiration behind me wanting to research and further because none of that was no. there was no information about his human, the human side of his ever library of his family or anything. and i started to look and yeah, he did leave the straggling life. he did, i influential was what happened here in march, 1881. and i knew watson's career in england to the development of the game and national watson in this game, 61. and then the following year, the 51. what from with part of a scottish team that force the english as a to change the way they play to consider the future. he came down, he played with corinthians, he told the scottish going to the corinthians,

the most corinthians who played alongside with end up playing for the national thing. and then of course, the crew became one of the probably the directors and what the team of all time. they came around the world, took it to america, they took it to south africa, it took it to brazil, introduced to brazil. the queen seems carinthian polystyrene a remnant visits what some was part of a team that changed the way for all the slide globally. fioma dykey, amazing scotland career, $123.00 cops whole that a 13 year period. it counts and just over 150 years after andrew watson became the 1st block, international footballer and lead has scotland said way back in 18. $81.00 to a memorable sex one triumphal. but england, the oval. what do you think about that story of under watson?

and the efforts of no being made to bring that figure back to the the same trial at the scottish football lights on me like i had no idea, but growing up in scotland from was 3 years old playing for the scotland team for 15 years. been in the hampton and things of that, and i can't even say that i even knew the story. it's like one that came before you know, their story is important to canada over. and that went over my head not only brought to my attention and nothing, nothing credible with the fact that 100 years ago. but we're only finally talking about that. no, it's all mostly been in the, in the dark way too long. so i'm glad know that, you know, like, more tend to be paid to it because it was a huge attainment and we want to continue that go and continue to talk. and actually, you know, recognizing that historic achievement now exactly 100 years after under watson became the world's 1st federal black professional football, assigning for the mass, the site team, a beautiful young man called john bob st. liverpool, football club. john, welcome to alex allen,

show. thank you very much for the pleasure under what do you have the boat this, this figure, this extraordinary story of a black captain of scotland ladies team to sex, one flashing of england that was lost from the annals of football history. why do you think that is? i honestly, once i knew i come on the show, i did some research on it. i didn't know about scotlands 61 section of england. and all englishmen do, but to know that there was a blackman thank, that's kind of the time, of course not. why was loss of the annals of history was because of course, a lot of people you can go back to, to someone, for example, like totally connie, who was the 1st manager, black manager from rockdale. we want to leave that no one knows about. we assume that black starting movie, vanderson, and black man just started with in the eighty's or ninety's, one of the 1st black manager came a law. so of course, we don't know much about the historical aspect of so many black figures in history . and that is why, very interesting to really delve into under watson and the 18 eighty's was

secretary of queens park. then the greatest club in the world. he was the 1st black football administrator. so what does that tell us about the lack of progress in 150 years? it speak volumes. as tony collins, the 1st black manager in england who manage ross, they are a little bit close but 6 years and one of the lead up. but he wasn't particularly successful rossville, however, apart from elite cars, however you stated that a job 7 years. so that tells you that although you're black and you are not necessarily being successful but they, they judge you based on your ability. because can paradoxically, when there weren't that many black people racism was less, the more black people that you have in any country. there is more racism because there's only a certain amount of elite people. and if you have more people who want a slice of the pie to get into these positions, that it then becomes a threat to the status quo. so why do you have one or 2 black people, right? that doesn't have to be great because they're there if they don't go to the state

school cuz there's one or 2 of them when they're hung up and they pose a threat. so therefore, a narrative has to be then being spoken about, about the, the groups, potential groups worth. there was no discussion about andrew watson's potential because it's there to be see or 20 colleges protection because that doesn't pose a threat to the state school that we don't upset. paradoxically, there's much more racism in countries where they're, they're more black people rather than less. one mind familiar with the extraordinary story of on to watson on who himself experience wasted on the white racist abuse from so called football finds in the late nineties. as former england and changes were not my quarters. how did he feel all these years later about the control this year about the england team taking 20 walters, of ranger football club and england mark. when you came as one of the, the 1st prominent black players to the stop and modern scottish football, you encounter the most of the vet,

this graceful racism on field. i'm interested makes you feel theft 2 years later. that the controversy angland team taking the need and booed by some of their own funds. what do you, what's your reaction to that situation all these years later? it is very disappointing to think that there is still a lot of problems with brett, you guys, you said over racism. don't get me wrong. i do believe the need to come. i would become slightly symbolic. and although it's not a bad thing, because people have seen that some people are trying to do something, you know, to be able to support if you like. and, you know, that's some, a little, a little more action, let's talk and more conversation. so in a way that one is in yes, we spoke about a lot and i need to do some things about it. so it's fantastic. that's not only your teammates, but your opponents are being empathetic with your situation. and so for,

i think now it's time to maybe do a bit more action if you like, and do things that make sure it doesn't keep going in for many years. my walters recently, you documentary, unless the story of under watson, this remarkable story of the 1st black international football cop to the scotland ladies team to the oval from tangling facts one. and yet until your documentary, other programs recently looked it up or have the phone. how can that possibly be? yeah, i totally agree. not necessarily a story and 2nd fishing, but i thought i knew a little bit about it. so no, i think actually signed for ranges late. unfortunately, died during the 1st we'll walk to the and actually played. and yet, players like clyde best played in the sixty's obviously to reduce low putting a, been invested in the 70s. but when i was told that play a trade only on did years ago. but it wasn't just an ordinary play

that he was actually will class by definition he played in the best lead at the time he was captain of scotland, which in itself is a remarkable cause. you will know to capture, don't necessarily be the best player, but captions obviously, i mean take your product team and probably the normally the 1st player, the manager picks. so is an important player to so to think that i've never heard of this, my, you played over on you did before me in scarlet was actually i'm playing my raso as far as we can tell from the record the thing to be very little something but compact and little of that races, prejudice against under watson in the 18 eighty's. how could we have a situation where that was the date is but the 1980s were subjected to the most disgraceful. yvette pronounced teresa's behavior from so called football funds. i

think maybe it was a bit more customer policy and in these days in guys go, i believe that not only was the great plan, but he wasn't the only black player in that squad. and some players played before him. and obviously some ask him as well, so maybe that was a reason why he wasn't as, as pronounced. erase him as it was when i played up there. yeah. i've got a fairly f when given a man has proper do in scotland. that's a bit of a giant statue of acted to, to say, the st. hamden park, you know, recognizing the place for scotland. fleet results were sex 15. what against thing with a 5, what i guess will ever be not so massive recognition. do you think that would have influenced the fans and made them better human beings to understand that scotland had the 1st black international kept?

i would, i doubt and i need to know in a life story. the fact that he come from, which is guy on the fact that he was his mother, was a free slave, and the father was slave owner. and that came to scotland and done all the things the bid. i think definitely did i did that ever more respect, but only he story, but a lot of players who played after him. so he was a phenomenal human being and that's the need someone i my now. yeah. join us after the break. when alex continues his discussion with form, england, i'm bring, just bring my micro will see that the biggest about and we just always dress covered up. no stimulation directly connected to their medical assistance, which is 100000 in everybody. and it contains millions of little

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rights. i am. i want to get that done as you know what i do. i know that she's not here by her nickname. the king was i got it. i call about y'all. doesn't really go on a ah, welcome back to england. feel the team that wembley stadium. but could it be the underdog spot and turn into the modern wembley? what are i reference to another? i'm fine. she's got your site who jostled the wembley test in 1900. 20 alex's in conversation with england wearing our mark quoted, my walters. if you've got

a unique perspective with england, scotland clash because in england play. but you stopped for great deals in 980 natalie 90 scotlands dominant football club. well, perspective german tomatoes game, england are going to steam roll a little scotland. scott, his team of a few surprises because it is taught the game is not going to say i'm going to walk over scotland. i mean, i was a bit surprised at the way scotland start today a game against chuck his record. i believe there was a very gung ho, very cavalier and the game was very open and unfortunately gotten couldn't take the chances. consequently, losing the 1st goal. would you always in pull in those type of games? so, games for england, i honestly believe the 1st goal again is gonna be what a difference now is. england don't need to win the game. england can be quite happy with the jewel, where scotland need to get somebody out of the scan. if they don't win this game,

scotland is going to be virtually impossible to get out of the group. so that in itself tactically, it's going to be very important that england use a game properly and use it and understand maybe the break as a tactic. and i'm obviously gotten enough to make more time she's been made to go go for it in a left to stage a game. but he's going to be fascinating game and i'm really looking forward to watching it is us angler, scotland confrontation, but lake arrange a celtic one. even if one site should be dominant as england shouldn't be tomorrow on, on all known farm. it doesn't quite work like that because of the ancient rivalry because it's very much a doubt be atmosphere plus that's very true. yeah, i totally agree. it is that you feel like i mean, most of the players in scotland and know most places in england, tame and vice versa. so that itself is going to be different most international

games. but the fact that there's going to be a crowd there as well. that should be a spice to the game. i mean, obviously the english crowd haven't had many games to watch. never mind over the last few months. so although i don't see to be a full house, it will seem like a full last because there was a pause will be right behind the team. and being such a young, young english slide is going to be interested in this would obviously be in a home that should give england the advantage. i think when you play for rayden, just that was all the stuff a unique situation because the english clubs that excluded from europe and a number of other very prominent english and nationalists decided to, to play for rain just probably to get you to be in football as one of your reasons . so you must, you know, bump settings with team dressing room. i brought by the truth here. we did have quite a few in the sled plain in the, in a team. actually it's funny because we use it on a friday,

especially reception england versus team o n, because there's so many foreigners, full stop. you should just have any national team versus scotland team and private side. so we have a lot of fun with that. and that was great, he's a great time to be guys go and he's got a great time. and i love us live in an ada for bob. well, how much and i believe so. yeah, it was great to be part of the sledge. definitely tamikiana. where, when the games are going, was a bit dangerous. having training games against scotland, the tackles know about robust for trading, tackles, under least it was. and then, and that's the message you want to be frank a, i don't even want you to try to session, which was a quiet up anyway and graham, soon as it was a manager at a time, even bradley was in the thick of things, smashing people as well, so that's how we played the train that we played base and so yes, really, it was interesting weeks about yeah,

a lot of 2 things. mark fossil, just one of the prospects of these 2 teams to me on, i'm in, i'm in england, according to how to cain a battle and they were in the wild card, bobby, and i'll be on the vamps of greatness. england said, what do you think? what i hope so it's been a long time since i england want anything cuz you know, the seems to be a bad time rotary and seen and the were the last time. but to me, so if you can avoid the big pieces in the image. competition, frances, germany's and even portugal, the old is that a moment, then it can be can be a good time for england, but it won't be easy and people like erica enough to stay fit these. generally in the, in the palace and the school most of the goals. so i agree in a way i'm writing why the definitely seems to be in a better place. but only time will tell with the results. i mean, obviously great start to the competition. you need to,

when you 1st came in my opinion, you really going to progress england have done that. so the pressure is off a little bit. but obviously things can change quickly, need to be gotten in on friday. and then things can be a little bit easier. and finally, not walters, you're waiting at the coaching of foot message when you have to the young girls and boys, young black girls and boys looking for the future of the game. but what would, what would be your messages of establish style in terms of how they should conduct themselves looking for i would ask that it's, it's a wonderful, wonderful game to be involved when it's a vehicle to cross all kinds of barriers. it's life for me. i would, i was the best part of my younger life was playing football, you know, to get paid to do something. it was actually a dream. but even if you're not getting paid just which i didn't at the end of my career, i can assure you just plain and running around was fantastic. and i would definitely

definitely advise anybody not only to go to football, but any for because that is a great way to only open your life to think, but to, to meet people and to, to make sure that you enjoy your life. because i think it did that for me without a lot walters of aston, villa level till england and glasgow rangers. thank you very much indeed. thank you very much family. thank you. any english scotland mark? is it by more than sports? and in england, scotland football show, dine, it's about much more alex face as a prospect on the politics with top scores pundits, jim spin, while jim span. so let's take a look at li, oldest international fixture association, football, scotland, ve england way back when it started. scotland, well, the totally dominant said we've just been healing about the marvelous march. 18. 81

when under watson lady steven to a 2nd one. the rubbing of england that the oval will you covering that game? jump i so we want the dominant, very little. be happy to be in the game you're talking to 2nd. so when we bought the, the ones that you sold to general brian scott related scottish team score on the bench, it's more than one for both the on the black. we'll just leave a short when you can all 120 years for the next one. national course to come along . what we were very much you know, we want the po and we got the was it to you generally tell you

the game or english? i don't get a whole joke. good deal. let's get up to see of course, watch it as you are more clear to go and not when you're away from queens. far you of the age of to english gave untruth to welcome scotch officials approach as it came to be doing so are very much the dominant in the gave you granted you invented the game for the substance in the seventy's was remarkable flow of colonies into the scottish international site in the sixty's and jim box, the dentist law dave mckay. and there's some great players as well. but despite the we probably were among the best teams in the world with us. famously won the world cup in 1966 so so the claim. but i can never seem to made it to the finals in the seventy's, but it never,

never progressed. how can you explain how they got an overflow of talent? not actually, you know, reaching the final stages of tournaments. well, you know, i was kind of a general so on that, you know, you know, we believe the score in the 156, even to seventies. we really, we swallow jocelot chain. we didn't like the tool. what to do very often as we jump clean up your bill, do you see a make number? see real world mess box. so law guy, actually, jerry johnson, entity, you know, we have a list and they would fit into any team, any of us because we do that nor do nearly as well as we shouldn't done. given the level of done that we can quite easily could a clean for any teen or when you know when,

when one the dodgy hospital going ball let us know, don't it will say to people at box and law was good and bad than anything that they hired but very often i think the discipline law and the degree to me was great. so now let's bring it back right back to the present moment. when on the eve of the, the big much jim that the sap is rising to say the least. we are the custom of a golden generation of young scottish players. and could they upset, overwhelming favorites tomorrow? well, i'm sure not to refund the sales to dissolve situation and to work last last box it all be under the leash. there's a huge sale tech getting up and coming to

a wonderful good. good. how now of course to go and kill t shit. ahead or late? no. front wheels and the you're really you're more, you know they did the schedule went to chelsea the immensely talented football players on the all the easy got patient. and so i think the usually the endo was being along the on the cross, the change. so something pretty big. and so you know, we've got together to get the coaching and ginger more than messaged. and although they should, i think very much that we grief the cage will be on the seat of just mentioned to me, will some of those good? is there anything, any of the sticker successful football site together with political stuff? does that make scotland unstoppable german spans was going to be

crucial to go to a successful conclusion to european jumping ships and then march on the independent shop. and i just spent, thank you so much for joining us for that day. and thank you for being with us on the alex and show you our next the ball is not a matter of life and death. it's more important than that. so said the legend to liverpool, manager, and socialist scott. though shank least for generations of scores, the hope rather than the reality of beating england, wembley, what's more important than anything else more important than life than work and certainly been politics. it was a very embodiment of nationhood between fan scotland. now. the nation has this when parliament, it's all what's called culture on its own dynamic has gotten and i grew in these wembley confrontations has football not being placed in its proper perspective.

probably a hey, but maybe ask me that question again tomorrow. so if i'm rambling from alex, my cell phone, all of issue is good bye. stay safe. and we'll see you all again next week. ah, me ah, the biggest morning of our and we get it always dress covered up. no stimulation directly connected to their medical assistance, which is 100000 in everybody. and it contains millions of it.

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