the enemy has to go, i'm even then. it was the 2nd blake of a playoff. and it was england who still qualified way back in the history of the game. it was this scotland team who are dominant in 1882 the home of english, the chief wembley of the oval. now, one of the homes of english cricket government were content by another culture less, but i football pioneer grain breaker on the world's 1st flag international player. alex takes up the remarkable story with football historian, move walker with some help from england writing john bonds. if you will, my ticket the 1st and thus far, only black women to cats in scotland. while lou walker, the over one of the horns of english cricket and march, $1881.00 was a football much played here. and it's a national much tell we will not. well, england got something them right, but the scottish team was led by andrew watson. who was this guy start one's last,

but i'm captain andrew watson. andrew watson was the 1st man of color to play international football. so i'm going off the mast and got a football. i know a bit, the wembley with us. i know a bit the next to 60 stuff in game and scott, guys, thing and a half and a half of a scottish captain. the lady said to $61.00 flashing of england, partly because the speed of the game develop and partly because it was considered entertainment. and no one really kept good records or kept histories or did any kind of research or analysis on football. and, and these, this generation under watson generation and the generation that followed him, there are the forgot generation of football. but they're the ones that found in the games we night to day. and you have written a book about under watson. tell us,

tell me about the title 1st. explain the title to me. yeah, andrew watson are struggling life. it's a phrase that was used by journalists to describe andrew when he left for social to play football, a scottish journalist. and it was the inspiration behind me wanting to research and further because none of that was no. there was no information about his human, the human side of his life, of his family or anything. and i started to look and yeah, he did leave the struggling life. he did, i influential, was what happened here in march, 1881. and i knew watson's career in england to the development of the game and to national watson in this game. $61.00, and then the following year, the $51.00. what from was part of a scottish team that force the english to change the way they played to consider the future. he came down, he played with corinthians, he told the scottish going to the corinthians,

the most corinthians he played alongside with him about playing for the national thing. and then of course, the queen whose became one of the probably the directors and what the team of all time they came around the world, took it to america, they took it to south africa, it took it to brazil, introduced to brazil. the queen seems carinthian palace, there is a remnants of visits what some was part of a team that changed the way for the site globally. i feel my dykey amazing scotland career, $123.00 cops whole that a 13 year period. captain scott, just over 150 years after andrew watson became the 1st block, international footballer and lead has scotland said way back in 18. 81 to a memorable sex. one triumphal england. the oval. what do you think about that story of under watson and the efforts of no being made to bring that figure back to

the the same trial at the scottish football lights on me. i actually had no idea about growing up in scotland from was 3 years old. playing for the scotland team for 15 years, been in hampton and things of that. and i can't even say that i even knew the story . it's like one that came before you know, and their story is important to canada over. and that went over my head not only brought to my attention and i think nothing credible with the fact that 100 years ago. but we're only finally talking about that. no, it's all mostly been in the, in the dark for wait too long. so i'm glad know that you know, like, more tend to be paid for it because it was a huge achievement and we want to continue that go and continue to talk nicely, you know, recognizing that historic achievement now exactly 100 years after under watson became the was 1st of a black professional football assignment for the massey site team, a beautiful young man called john bob st. liverpool, football club. john, welcome to alex island show. thank you very much for the pleasure. under what do

you have the boat this, this figure, this extraordinary story of a black captain of scotland, lady student sex, one flashing of england that was lost from the annals of football history. why that is? i once i knew i come on the show, i did some research on it. i didn't know about scholars 61 section of england. and all englishmen do, but to know that there was a blackman thank, that's kind of the time of course not. why would loss of the annals of history was because, of course, a lot of people you can go back to to someone, for example, like totally colleagues who was the 1st manager, black manager for rochdale. we want to leave that no one knows about. we assume that black, starting with the band isn't on black matters, just started with in the eighty's or ninety's, whatever the 1st black manager came along. so of course, we don't know much about the historical aspect of so many black thing. it's in history and that's why, very interesting to really delve into under watson and the 18 eighty's was secretary of queens park. then the greatest club in the world. he was the 1st black

football administrator. so what does that tell us about the lack of progress in 150 years? it speak volumes as tony collins, the 1st black manager in england who managed ross dale not a big club for 6 years and one the lead up. but he wasn't particularly successful rossville, however, approximately car, however you say that a job 7 years. so that tells you that although you're black and you are not necessarily being successful but they, they judge you based on your ability. because can paradoxically, when there weren't that many black people racism was less, the more black people that you have in any country. there is more racism because there's only a certain amount of elite people. and if you have more people who want a slice of the pie to get into these positions, that it then becomes a threat to the status quo. so why do you have one or 2 black people? the rachel doesn't have to be great because they're there. they don't call to the state school because there's one or 2 of them when they're hung up and they pose

a threat. so therefore, a narrative has to be then spoken about about the, the groups potential groups worth. there was no discussion about andrew watson's potential because if they are to be c or 20 colleges protection because that doesn't pose a threat to the state school that we don't upset. paradoxically, there's much more racism in countries where they're, they're more black people rather the less one man familiar with extraordinary story of and you watson on who himself experience laces and all right. teresa to dis from so cause fits all, finds in the late 1980 s as former england and ranges, wing not smart quarters. how does he feel all these years later about the control this year about the england team taking the new walters of ranger football club and england mark. when you came as one of the, the 1st prominent black players to the starting model, scott football, you kind of the most to vet this graceful racism on field. i'm interested makes you

feel 50 years later. but the controversy angland team taking the need and booed by some of their own funds. what do you, what's your reaction to that situation all these years later? it is very disappointing to think that there is still a lot of problems with brett, you guys, you said over racism. don't get me wrong. i do believe the need to come. i would become slightly symbolic. and although it's not a bad thing, because people have seen that some people are trying to do something, you know, to be able to support if you like. and, you know, that's some, a little a little more action. let's talk and more conversation in the way that one is in. yes, we spoke about a lot and i need to do some things about it. so it's fantastic. that's not only your teammates, but your opponents are being empathetic with your situation. and so for,

i think now it's time to maybe do a bit more action if you like, and do things that make sure it doesn't keep going in for many years. my walters recently, you documentary, unless the story of under watson, this remarkable story of the 1st black international football cop to the scotland ladies team to the oval from tangling facts one. and yet until your documentary, other programs recently looked it over the phone. how can not possibly be yeah, i totally agree. not necessarily a story and or fishing or but i thought i knew a little bit about it. so no, i think actually signed for ranges late. unfortunately, died during the 1st we'll walk to the and actually played. and then you had players like clyde best played in the 60s. obviously to reduce a lot of putting a been invested in the 70s. but when i was told that that play a trade only on did years ago,

but it wasn't just an ordinary play that it was actually will class by definition he played in the best lead at a time. he was captain of scotland, which in itself is a remarkable because we will know to capture don't necessarily be the best player, but captions are obviously an integral product team. and probably the normally the 1st player, the, the manager picks. so is an important player to so to think that i've never heard of this, my, you played around you did before me, scholar was actually, i'm playing marceau, france. we can tell from the record the thing to be very little something but parking little yvette racist prejudice against under watson in the 18 eighty's. how could we have a situation where that was the date is but the 1980s were subjected to the most disgraceful. yvette pronounced teresa's behavior from so called football fans. i

think maybe it was a bit more customer policy and in these days in go i believe that not only was the great plan, but he wasn't the only black player in that squad. and some players played before him and obviously some ask him as well. so maybe that was a reason why he wasn't as, as pronounced. erase him as it was when i played up i've got a feeling f when given us mom has proper do in scotland. that's a bit of a giant statue of acted to, to say the st hummed and pop, you know, recognizing that he play for scotland fleet results for sex 15. what against thing with a 5, what i guess will ever be not so massive recognition. do you think that would have influenced the fans and made them better human beings to understand the score on had the 1st black international kept?

i would, i doubt and i need to know his life story. the fact that he come from, which is guy on the fact that he was his mother, was a free slave and the father for the slave owner. and that came to scotland and done all the things the bid. i think definitely that that as a more respect for only he story, but a lot of players who played after him. so he was a phenomenal human being and destiny someone i had my join us after the break. when alex continues his discussion with form england, i'm bring just bring my mike with me. one of the worst have a mass shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the tragedy a close a little of the real last vegas. where many say elected officials are controlled by casino loaners. the vegas shooting revealed what the l v m p

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because the kid an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in the the news. welcome back to england. feel the teams at wembley stadium. but could it be the underdog spot and turn into the modern wembley? what are i reference to another? i'm fancy scottish sites who dazzled the wembley in 1900. 20 alex's in conversation with england. wearing our mart quoted my offices, you've got a unique perspective with england scotland clash because in england play. but you start for great deals in the 980 natalie 90 scotlands dominant football club.

well, the space of java tomatoes games are going to steam roll a little scotland scott his team of a few surprises. i think because it is part of the game easy. there's nothing on you to say i'm going to walk over scotland. i mean, i'll be surprised at the way scotland start today game against check his record. i believe there was a very gone home, very cavalier and the game was very open. and unfortunately, scott couldn't take the chances. consequently, at losing the 1st goal, which is always in pull in those type of games. so, games for england, i honestly believe the 1st goal again is gonna be what a difference now is. england don't need to win the game. england can be quite happy with the jewel, where scotland need to get somebody out of school. and if they don't win this game, scotland is going to be virtually impossible to get out of the group. so that in itself tactically, it's going to be very important that england use

a game properly and use it and understand maybe pound a break as a tactic. and i'm obviously scott enough to make more chances and maybe go go for it in a left to stage a game. but he's going to game and i'm really looking forward to watching it. it's up us angler, scotland confrontation. but lake rain just felt it was even if one side should be dominant as england shouldn't be tomorrow and on all known farm. it doesn't quite work like that because of the ancient rivalry because it's very much a dobby atmosphere of plus it's very true. yeah, i totally agree it's, it is a dollar be feel like, i mean, most of the players in scott and no multiplication in england tame and vice versa. so that itself is going to be different most international games. but the fact that there's going to be a crowd there as well. that should be a spice to the game. i mean, obviously the english crowd haven't had many games to watch, never mind over the last few months. so although i don't mean to be a full house,

it will seem like a full last because he was a pause will be right behind a team. and being such a young, young english squad would be interested in this the with, obviously, you know, home that should give england the, the advantage. i think when you went for a job it was almost a unique situation because the english clubs would excluded from europe. and a number of other very prominent english and nationalists decided to, to play for rain just probably to get you to be in football as one of the reasons. so you must, you know, bump setting with a team dressing room. i broke bite. lead is not true. here we do have quite a few english sled plain in the air, in a team. actually it's funny because we use it on a friday, especially research team. oh, in the end because there's so many foreigners, full stop. you should just have any, an actual team versus scotland team and private side. so we have

a lot of fun with that. and that was great. a great time to go. randy's got a great time and i obviously in an ada for bud. well, how much and i believe so. yeah, it was great to be part of troubling the sledge definitely to me where when the games are going to wasn't a bit dangerous. having training games, i know the game, scotland, the tackles know about robust for trading, tackles on the lease. there was and then and many as you want to be friday, i don't even want you to try to session, which was a quiet anyway and graham soon as it was a manager at a time even barely was in the thick of things smashing people as well. so that's how we play the train doesn't play based. so yes, really, it was interesting weeks about what to do with things. fossil, just one of the prospects of these 2 teams to mod. i mean, i'm in england according to how to came better than they were in the world cup,

bobby, and i'll be on the vamps of greatness. this anyone said, what do you think what i hope so it's been a long time since i didn't want anything. you know, this seems to be a bad time rotary in the theme and the were the last time. but to me, saw joy if you can avoid the big image. image competition. frances, germany's and even ports really old is at a moment. and it can be can be a good time for england, but it won't be easy. and people like erica enough to stay cities generally england, england tallies my id scores most of the goals. so i agree in a way comradery why it's definitely seems to be in a better place. but only time will tell with the results. i mean, obviously great start to the competition. you need to, when you 1st came in my opinion, really going to progress england have done that. so the pressure is off a little bit. but obviously things can change quickly,

need to be gotten in on friday. and then things can be a little bit easier. and finally, mot walters, bootlegging at the to coaching of y'all for the message we'd have to the young girls and boys fairly young, black girls and boys looking for the future and the game. but what would, what would be your messages of the stablish style in terms of how they should conduct themselves looking folk. oh, it's a wonderful, wonderful game to be involved when it's a vehicle to cross all kinds of barriers. it's nice for me. i would, you know, it was the best part of my younger life was playing football to get paid to do something. it was actually a dream. but even if you're not getting paid just which i didn't at the end of my career, i'm going to show you just plain and running around was fantastic. and i would definitely definitely advise anybody not only to get to football, but any sport, because that is a great way to only open your life to think, but to,

to meet people and to, to make sure that you enjoy your life. because i think it did that for me without a lot walters of aston, villa level till england and glasgow rain. just thank you very much. indeed. thank you very much for me. thank you. any england scotland mark is about more than sports on england. scotland football show guys, it's about much more. alex face as a prospect on the politics with top scores pundits. jim spent? well jump spend. so let's take a look at the oldest international fixture association, football, scotland, ve england way back when it started. scotland? well, the totally dominant said will just be healing about the marvelous march, 18. $81.00 when under watson lady steven to fix one rumbling of england. that the oval will you covering that game? jump?

i was late. so late. we want the dominant, very little. be happy to be in the game you're talking to decades. so when we bought the land you sold to general brian scott related scottish team score on the bench. it's more than well, for each oxy exchange, you know, on the black, we'll just leave a short and well that you can all 120 years for the next one. national course come along. what we were very much, you know, we were the ones we got the phone and was it you general tell you the game or english. i don't get a hold job deal. listen, get up and see. watch as you are more pleased to go and not when he gets away from

queens. far the age of all don't to english, gave untruth scotch officials approach as it came to be the ones who are very much dominant or india gave granted invented the game for the next test. in the seventy's was a remarkable flow of colonies into the scottish international side of the sex to jump back stuff. dennis law dave mckay and the son who's great players as well. but despite the fight, we probably were among the best teams in the world with us. famously $11.00 cup in 1966 so so the claim. but they never seem to made it to the finals in the seventy's, but it never progress. how can you explain how they got an overflow of columns and not actually, you know, reaching the final stages of tournaments?

well, you know, i was, or is it, is it kind of a general so on that, you know, you know, we believe the scorching 611273. really we swallow a job a lot and we didn't like the tool. what to do very often as we jump clean up your bill, do you see it making over see real world mess box. so law mckayden. hey, jerry johnson. entity, you know, we have a list and they would fit into any few, many of us because we don't really that, nor do nearly as well as we shouldn't done given the way it will be quite easily. could a clean for any, you know, when you know when, when one that will be dodgy, hospital going ball, let us know when we say to people at box and law and he said it

was good and bad than anything. but very often i think we but i know discipline law and the degree to me was great. so now let's bring it back right back to the present moment. when on the eve of the, the big much jim that the sap is as rising to say the least. we are the custom of a golden generation of young scottish players. and could they upset, overwhelming favorites tomorrow? wow, i'm sure we don't to refund the shelton to dissolve situation and to work last last box it all going to be under the leash is a huge sale tech getting up and coming to the wonderful good don't whole. now of course to this is true. will kill me. shit. i have

a fantastic emergency. you're really you're more you know they did the schedule. went to chelsea the mentally talented both on the all the easy got patient check. and so i think the usually the endo was being alone. your own because it changed something pretty bad. and so you know, we got together to get coaching in general, more than a message. and i think very much that we grief occasional be mislead. just mentioned to me, well, sounds good. is there anything, any of the sticker successful football site together with political and i stuff does that make scotland unstoppable jam spends? well, going to be every, be sure to go to a successful conclusion to european jumping. and just so much on the independent

shop and i just spent thank you so much for joining us for that. the thank you for being with us on the alex avenue. thank you, alex. the ball is not a matter of life and death. it's more important than not so said the legend of liverpool manager and socialist scots. though shanquita for generations of scores, the hope rather than the reality of beating england, wembley, what's more important than anything else, more important than life than work. and certainly in politics. it was a very embodiment of nationhood between span scotland now. the nation has this when parliament, it's what, what's called culture on its own dynamic has gotten and i grew, these wembley confrontations has football no, been placed in his proper perspective. probably a hey, but maybe asked me that question again to model so friendly from alex myself and

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