during elections all over the planet ever since including in russia. but the 1st effort was in france. i'm friends in italy. us have been involved in not only hearing and elections, but in overthrowing. busy governments, including the democratically elected, very popular governments. of course, the cases like iran in 1953 are just mistaken goal. and we're paying the part price for that ever since, or guatemala in 1954. we're paying the price that i bet this is happening all over the planet, but he says, what does people lou? it, well, people's do know it. the, there was a recent call by the association of democracies which that, and she asked which country it asked 50000 people in 53 countries who poses the greatest rep to democracy in their countries. 44 percent said the united states. 38

percent said china, 27 percent said russia. so biden's question is a little bit misplaced and very, very ignorant. i think he doesn't know. he has to know he's been involved. he was against the vietnam war. he initially he started off fairly progressively and have some good things in his background, and he's not been all bad or all wrong. and these issues here. so of course, supported the invasion of afghanistan and the invasion of iraq. then he opposed the troop build up. when he was vice president in afghanistan, impose a oppose the us lead nato operation that i was through gadhafi and libya. he apparently even opposed timber sycamore in syria. so he's been actually just tell us about timber sycamore in syria because i know the syria came up in the binding

putin meeting as regards this so called humanitarian corridor, obviously viewed by many in the global south as a, as a enabler of proxies or what was the timber sycamore, if you go through the early analysis and media commentary about what was happening in syria, there had been a 6 year drought. and there were some pro cast because the farming sector was really devastated. people are moving into the cities. so there were some protests, but it was very, very minor protest. and as you read the articles in time, the news making stressful is always the emphasis was there are arid spring was occurring in several countries. it was not going to hit syria because there was no strong opposition in syria. it was at that point that the united states started to give legal aid to the islamic extremist. and the united states bank rolled funded and really push forward this massive operation that ended up being

the opposition movement in syria. the whole thing could have been avoided as syria was not about to explode there at the united states, help you with that. and now we've seen the devastating consequences that operation in syria i being a bit unfair to britain leaving the british b. b. c, admitted the british aid also and disappeared apparently into l titling groups. he said there was a 2nd whopper, and presumably had also related to make a 2nd whopper from biter. was his comment that the united states is different from all other countries because the united states was founded on an idea on a concept. and that concept he said was freedom and human rights. and that's why he's got to bring up his question of human rights. any american president would do? so he said, because it's part of our dna. maybe there was an id. maybe there were some people

who supported human rights, but as historians know, us was founded on enslavement of millions of africans and then later african americans and founded on the massacre of the native american populations that was not really human rights. the way i defined human rights, so maybe nobody told by about the 1619 project. maybe nobody informed biden of the last 60 years of historical scholarship in this country. but clearly this kind of simplistic ideological interpretation analysis is not going to do anybody, any good enough america bashing. give me some put in mythologies. well, had his own is that trips to allow a lan? poon said that he talked about cider and he said that the biggest vendors

in on cyber were the united states, canada, latin america, and britain, apparently russia that they didn't make the top fly. you know, so that's absurd, non clear that whether he means from the soil of those countries which you put in, was very keen on emphasizing. i suppose moscow after all, hosts the whistleblower edward snowden. so i don't know whether the russian government advised him, but the mass spectrum, surveillance and hacking revealed they snowed. it appears to be of a different order. yeah, that's very, very different. where they were, that was more in the context of this ransomware. i don't think he was talking about governmental hacking and cyber operations because as obama said, united states is better than anybody. and so on that level, russia has a worthy competitor in the united way. way, believe in fair, better than anyone, then how is it who didn't go trump elected?

i mean, i us that vociferously, obviously, but it is a given and certainly was amongst the nature nation media. press cool that what the intelligence agency said, even though if you read the reports, the evidence may it, and it is not conclusive that russia interfered with the u. s. election interfered to stop by being elected. this was a given that, that is part of the general consensus in the united states president has acknowledge that he preferred trump over hillary clinton back in 2016. and i think that many my russian colleagues now believe also that under trump, things got much, much worse for us, russian relations. the other thing that i thought was most egregious was his response to the nevada, the question. and that's why he brought up the capital riot, the insurrection on january 6, at a set and compared nevada,

the supporters to this fat violent, fascist bob that invaded the capital. trying to overturn the results of that fair election added to lynch. not only mike pence, the vice president, but searching for legislators to also murder mean this, this to compare the volume supporters peaceful protestors who are against corruption. with is fascist mob is such a leap into incredulity and it gives the u. s. media. i'm not sure if he cares about that or not, but the us media has had the opportunity to discredit what says based upon this excessive. what about ism, instead of answering the question about in the volley, which he tended to do when he talked about the congress declaring russia an enemy, and the ball, the volley being a foreign agent. mean if he wants to make that case,

that's fine. but to go in these other, you know, trying to talk about all the bad things the united states does, rather than confronting the bad things that russia does, is not going to get us anywhere. i know it sounds like a pitch to me. putins advisor if you know my 6 with babies talking to tony trump, people. but of course nevada me in fan is cool muslims cockroaches in need of extermination and has said that the boot in government is weak and should have invaded ukraine. that seems to be redolent of the kind of rhetoric we heard from some trumps about is i'm not defending a volley. and i know that volleys popularity is very, very minimal and it's support is very, very low inside of russia. and that's why i think it's a big mistake for putting to to make him into a martyr. i think you latin yvonne, the speak and vitally has an actual critique of corruption. and that should be

acted on. corruption is not in the interests of the russian people, and i know that in from bad friends who are, are favorable. so are my russian friends who talk about not applying to my scouts. they have not having their kids apply to moscow state university because there's so much corruption involved in the admission process. this affects people throughout russia has no rupture to the united states effect people here. what is the lobbying effort in the united states? what is it defense contractors with their big machines getting these multi 1000000000 dollar contracts, 1000000 dollar contract to build this new ground based missile system in the united states? i mean, i'm happy to condemn what going on the united states, and i'm happy to condemn levels of corruption in russia because this is not the interest of the people in either country. so i think the volunteer should be a voice there. he doesn't pose a rep to pony,

he's not going to get elected dog catcher. but by making him a martyr this way, not only does that make it look bad in the eyes of the world, but it also elevates voluntary stature. so i think this is a big mistake, peter. good night. thank you. thank you. it's going to talk to you after the break just hours before putin met. right. and in geneva, you can us, you, israel bombed besieged garza, the sign of all that war in the middle east. we speak to the bestselling rephrase. of the israel palestine conflict, anthony lowenstein. all of them all coming out of going underground. ah ah, with

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salmon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport, business. i'm show business. i'll see you then in the welcome back today marks 9 years since wiki leeks, founder and publish a julian a some sort refuge in the equitorial embassy in london. you can watch our interviews with him on our youtube channel today, according to the us. he is being tortured in london in a week when even concern so called mainstream media like cnn, met with the department of justice about press freedom in the united states. and as u k, u s u armed israel bombed gaza so recently the site of the destruction of a p and al jazeera and joined with sydney by independent journalist north anthony lowenstein, who has been an east jerusalem for the best part of the last decade. and see thanks so much for coming back on. so yeah, we the now is all this geneva meeting, we get orders by bennett,

the new israeli prime minister to bomb garza in response to balloons from hamas. it seems you've been forgotten by the time the global agenda moved to geneva, but your take on the been a decision it sadly on surprising or one of the remarkable things of that so much of the western media coverage which equally those who are still writing and netanyahu and i'm still one of those people. is it been? it's record, which i'm guessing you looked at your views will be aware of is remarkably similar to netanyahu. in fact, in some cases, even though, right, when in fact, many cases the, he wanted to go even harder against this is bennet. so, you know, it's a classic example here of so much the media coverage about this issue plays up when there's a so called war or conflict for 2 weeks away or whatever it may be and then disappear . and it almost seems as if i remember during the race enough player and violence many times had a headline, something like after a long period of quiet violence plays somehow every day. and there is a quiet,

relaxing holiday or every day in the west bank occupation. it's not incredibly difficult, violent and challenging. i mean, the occupation is violence every single day when i leave nice jerusalem between 20162020. and i've been spending a lot of time over there in the last you said 15 years, i was saying every single day down the road from my house, where they tell us the names are likely to be forcibly evicted any de rampant, far right, jewish fashion, which is what they are. sometimes there is rarely often they are american. sometimes they're straight in. you have complete kind of launch to not just access and get and live in the homes. i saw at times remember this amazing image. it never leaves me from 2009 when one of the previous rounds of expulsion and there was a palestinian family literally sitting on their couch outside their home on the pavement. and jewish precious had been allowed to moving in front of them. this is

happening all the time. we should be clear minded about what the likely new israeli government need. yes, there's a more interesting coalition that some elements and less arrived netanyahu coalition. that's true. but on the case she is now q patient continues and give you a livery, the great israeli journalist. and it's right in the column a few days ago that yes, anthony, who are not going to be crying and he left. but let's be clear on that one. bennett stands for and my dad repeated repeat is the foreign minister, the likely new prime minister apparently in 2020. great. both of them have expressed for years a believe your patients should not. and i think someone did account recently that a 12200 out of 120 members that connects it essentially believe in jewish supremacy, namely that there should be no in the occupation. so although some jewish groups in america excited and hopeful that the removal met in the i will make their battles

easier to convince politicians or jews. but there's a new, fresh air in, in israel, i hope that's true, but there's no indication of why it would be based on the people made up in these rarely government today. well, in fantasy the jewish supremacy is in trying to the, in the national law, which is the law of israel. we had been it's drop strategist, georgia bumble. and he said that bennett is a pragmatist. in fact he, he spoke of how ariel sharon, so infamous for the massacre of refugees in beirut. he look out, he soon became a piece make a to, could been it not be this new piece, make it because that's what happens to israeli politicians. what i mean, as i said anything, it's possible. but the id that for example, ariel sharon was a peacemaker. i presume he was referring to the removal of settling from gaza,

which was something to be welcomed in 2005. but let's not forget that the aim of that was doing change, the west bank occupation, and been it for years, has expressed literally 0 vision interest desires in the occupation. fact his desire, in fact, is to an x, the west bank. so the only way the situation will change on the ground, there are any use, rarely activist or public being for that matter will tell you, is outside pressure. there is no current outside pressure that is likely to once a pressure israel to the e. u is useless. and mostly complicit america. we know where they stand, mostly, arab countries. happy to be friends with israel received arms and weapons from israel. where's this pressure going to come from outside? well, break down britain, the european union, russia, china, all opposed to settlements and support the un resolution that was the year year americans claims under bought and i applied 10 almost as well. and what's interesting and i just this week, which is

a slight sign of progress shown to suggest on completely pessimistic. i'm actually not. is that americans for pace now which is as honest organization growing, there was a groups like this are saying they need to be some conditions on you aid here. israel, that israel continues to kill palestinians to expel palestinians from the from east jerusalem bomb gods, or etc. the nice to me condition is on a that that was certainly a position that many people held on the fringes for years, but not in the mainstream. yeah. and on, on the interview said, look, you know, us, money doesn't bank roll the israeli status level one percent of gdp. israel can survive in any case, i just want to get on to something that maybe you can illuminate me on because we've had a hood barrack on the program. we've had, you know, different israeli politicians. whenever i talk about the nuclear weapons program. they can't talk about it, is that just explain why they're not allowed to talk about the weapons of mass

destruction that israel have given that cause the world was looking in geneva, about nuclear disarmament between biden and pigeon. everybody knows, including then that israel has anywhere between $1.00 to $400.00 nuclear weapons and the only known nuclear power in the middle east. why don't they want to talk about it? because there's this idea that's been established for decades, pretty much since the beginning that there was somehow and a strategic benefit in not acknowledging you have the weapons, but oil cycle enemy, no, you have the weapon. i mean, in this day and age in 2021. it's an absurdity that israel still doesn't acknowledge. they have nuclear weapons. we all know they do. and nuclear free will then nuclear free middle a means only say israel should have and i went but no one wants to seriously talk about that. well, not certainly. those are in town why. why do you think that is? i mean, presumably the installation demona need servicing by international contractors. maybe. i mean, why grown holds on this program saying, look,

i can talk about that. or, i mean usually deterrent means you tell people you haven't of the, you don't get attacked. but everyone knows they habits. i mean, this is the point, i mean, why i arguably, i'm not sure where i'm at. so there's, i would argue that they're not necessarily adults at all and be, i think there is a sense and this, this comes down to how israel is allowed to double standard virtue, every shape on every single country that the u. s. gives a to, in theory, at least on paper, checks and balances. not, not for a 2nd. it's not actually reality. i know it doesn't, but in some ways it should. when the israel receives $3.00 to $4000000000.00 a year, which includes vast numbers of weapons, and i'm on a ben, it's advise the might say that the you i said has knowing pat, that's absolute nonsense. this is not just about finances, it's actually about to fall more than that. it's about diplomatic military. and i would argue political cover for the israel does. israel knows that as soon as

america wants to change the policies there, they could. i mentioned getting, let me before he's often said publicly that if america wants the occupational engine a way to meet the needs to be serious pressure on countries that are supposedly friendly with israel, parts of the your country, britain, to be far more forthright decided israel, you can talk credibly about wanting to eradicate non existent iranian nuclear threat or other countries that market nuclear weapons in the middle east. well, you have nuclear weapons yourself. i mean, most countries, when i have that kind of love. yeah, well all the talk about the uranium elections in friday is being this change perceived about nuclear policy. obviously, israel, as you say, neither confirm nor deny they have nuclear weapons in the whistleblower motor gave a new kidnapped in london for revealing nuclear weapons. can't talk to us because he's not allowed by israeli authorities. you tweet that recently. and someone else effectively detain mohammed her lobby. oh, who is he and why? why is he in jail?

he was the head of the, the palestinian garza, he was the head of will vision which is international india christ in india. he was ahead of that in gaza for a number of years. and about 5 years ago, he was arrested and charged with allegedly stealing tens of millions of dollars from well vision and other organization. 0 evidence has been presented to prove that he's been in jail for 5 years. israeli prison. he was tortured. he had lost partly size in one of his eyes. he had, i think now it's close to 200. so code dates, in course, there's been literally no progress about his case. it's one of the longest. it's not the longest k israeli history. he was offered a number of years ago, a play deal to say if you take the still you will be released, you will relate the years ago about 2 years ago. he refused on principle, so i am not going to acknowledge a crime. i never committed. i've never met him personally,

it's impossible for journalist to maintain, but i communicated with lawyer when i was living in a serious one. i interviewed his lawyer. he said, and he's a palestinian lawyer. he said he'd never seen a case more or william, the sense that he often wasn't allowed to bring witnesses in from gather. he wasn't allowed often to hear witness statements in the jack in the priest in the court, in court, in jerusalem in all situations. crazy as far as i'm aware, the straight and government has put no pressure on israel to resolve this. it's kind of this fall into a black hole. we invite these really bass drawn to respond to the allegations. obviously there's someone else near the studio. julian assange, 9 years today that he saw the political asylum. what do you make of the by ministrations, continue to attempt to extradite him for a 175 years sentence, potentially married garland, the d o j. the decision to, to keep that up. i mean,

has it been successful related to publishers and journalists to be a question? i guess i'll answer that in 2 ways. i think for a lot of mainstream media outlets with a few notable exceptions, the shameless silence speaks volumes about how they view with they view him as problematic as not worthy of support. and that's deeply wrong because a scientist, someone who i know not best friends with him, but i've known him for number these, he's a strain and as many view as will be aware and straight or citizen myself, he has an passport. he's an american citizen, and australia was essentially almost the best. what's the polite, what i say this on television? as essentially given up on him, i don't care that he could write, imprison oil in de dine for the by administration. response shows that there's no difference with the trumpet, ministration response and bama administration. my ball, what's false, and they were many made a decision years ago. you will be with my,

remember that it was not worth while prosecuting is because i was there for after prosecutes on the publications in which we can live documents appeared. i mean, it's a journalist, myself, and investigative journalist who's worked across the world has written over books and films. there is no more essential news gathering, organization and wiki lake symbol in my adult life. bohannon in documents about guantanamo iraq, honduras the drug war. i mean, any, she can imagine any journalist who fears we use inquiries and appreciate what he likes, releases to me, the shameless continued incarceration and torture of a son in a london prison. with no clear indication of wayne, a favorite way would be relief is not shameful. but actually deeply corrupt and what is so remarkable, although not how silent. so many journalists about his case. it speaks volumes about how they say they roll. and to me,

as i thought for number of the most journalist, if you ask them, will say yes, we all believe in holding power to account then. and what most shameless want to do is because the power that that's how they say their job. so when someone like assigns or snow didn't for that matter or other bravely releasing information and taking personal risks, showing us how the world actually works. you get a real sense of what kind of people they are not just jealous, but people with have i come down on issues like a sounds and snow and other sort of major lake. so i am i'm surprised. but a pole with how by then has taken it. there's still time to change. so he's only been in town for 6 months, but the indications are not fluid. so pressure is needed, including i might add, importantly in the us by major news organizations to actually benefited and profited from his releases and chelsea mannings, of course. so we're talking the new york times, washington post,

and others who with a few notable exceptions, have remained remarkably silence about the psalms case. well, the australian government says it's doing when it can stand. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday, the longest day of the year as the you and human rights council needs to discuss systemic racism around the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know what you think about the us as long as we're not getting the the reset you had to finish the do you think it can it's better than the remain russell, but i hope so. but over the over the, the book really just sort of the motion learning in month of the senior course which misses to

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had no fears. del change pretty fast for shots. different stories behind the bullets. the conservative republicans near ones will use against bite in the same tactics that republicans had to see coming from democrats after consume. so they would deck, used by, you know, to be into soft, indecisive leg can clear agenda not off enough to definitely they will try to sabotage some of the agreements that have been reached. geneva ah,

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