with the elections directly in other countries, and everybody knew it. does president biden not know the untold history of the united states? we talked to one of the writers of the seminal oliver stone documentary series about biting putin in geneva. the myths, mistakes and mystery, and is today merck 9 years since wiki makes founder. julian, it's on sort political asylum in london, ecuadorian embassy. i need to be tortured in england, according to the un. what is the legacy of the arguable war crimes he uncovered in a week of more u. k. u. s. a. u armed israeli strikes on the siege garza, we trace from the african war logs to columbia with independent journalist anthony lo and told us more coming up in today's going undergrad. but 1st global media centered this week on the geneva meeting between president putin and biden. although biden, unlike putin censored journalists from his press conference, depending on where they came from, most bizarrely, maybe from what was described as a constructive meeting was biden's contention that the usa doesn't interfere with the governance of foreign countries. joining me now from washington, d. c,

as someone who well knows this history, co author of all of us, jones, untold history of the united states. professor peter couldn't be that. thanks so much for coming on. so what did you make of him saying, well, what is the rule and thought that america, the united states interfered in the governance of other countries, more or less, he clearly hasn't read your books or senior films. well, a detailed a couple of whoppers there. he said, how would it be united states reviewed by the rest of the world is interfering with the elections of other countries and everybody knew it was starting with the founding of the cia and 947. the united states has been hearing elections all over the planet ever since including in russia. but the 1st effort was in france and frances in italy, the us have been involved in not only hearing and elections, but in over throwing. busy government,

including patient the democratically elected, very popular governments. of course, the cases like iran in 1953 are just mistake of all and we're paying the part price for that ever since. or guatemala in 1954. we're paying the price for that. i but this is happening all over the planet, but he says, what does people lou? it, well, people's do know it. the there was a recent call by the association of democracies, which that asked which country it asked $50000.00 people in $53.00 countries who pose is the greatest rep to democracy in their countries? 44 percent said the united states. 38 percent said china 27 percent said russia. so biden's question is a little bit misplaced and very, very ignorant. i think he doesn't know. he has to know he's been involved.

he was against the vietnam war. he initially he started off fairly progressively and have some good things in his background, and he's not been all bad or all wrong. and these issues here. so of course, supported the invasion of afghanistan and the invasion of iraq. but then he opposed the troop build up. when he was vice president in afghanistan, impose a oppose the us lead nato operation there, overthrew gadhafi and libya. he apparently even opposed timber sycamore in syria. so he's been actually just tell us about timber sycamore in syria because i know the syria came up in the bio computing meeting as regards this so called humanitarian corridor. obviously viewed by many in the global south as a, as a enabler of proxies. but what was the timber sycamore? if you go through the early analysis and media commentary about what was happening is area. there had been

a 6 year drought and there were some pro cast because the farming sector was really devastated. people were moving into the cities. so there was some protests, but it was very, very minor broadcast. and as you read the articles in time, the news making, the stressful is always the emphasis was there are arid spring was occurring in several countries. it was not going to hit syria because there was no strong opposition in syria. it was at that point that the united states started to give legal aid to the islamic extremist. and the united states bank rolled funded and really pushed forward this massive operation that ended up being the opposition movement in syria. the whole thing could have been avoided as syria was not about to explode there, that the united states help you with that. and now we've seen the devastating consequences that operation in syria. i being a bit unfair to britain leaving the british b. b. c,

admitted the british aid also and disappeared apparently into l titling groups. you, he said there was a 2nd whopper, and also related to mexico. second whopper from biter was his comment that the united states is different from all other countries because the united states was founded on an idea on a concept. and that concept, he said was freedom and human rights. and that's why he's got to bring up his question of human rights. any american president would do? so he said, because it's part of our dna. maybe there was an idea. maybe there were some people who supported human rights, but as historians know, us was founded on enslavement of millions of africans and then later african americans and founded on the massacre of the native american population that was not really human rights. the way i defined human rights,

so maybe nobody told by about the 1619 project. maybe nobody informed by the end of the last 60 years of historical scholarship in this country. but clearly this kind of simplistic ideological interpretation analysis is not going to do anybody, any good enough america bash and give me some putin. mythologies. well had his own. is that trips it's allow lan prudent said that are so up. he talked about cider and he said that the biggest vendors in on cyber are the united states, canada, latin america, and britain. apparently russia never been even make the top fly. you know, so that's absurd, non clear there. whether you means from the soil of those countries, which booty and was very keen on emphasizing, i suppose moscow after all,

host the whistleblower edward snowden. so i don't know whether the russian government advised him, but the mass spectrum, surveillance and hacking revealed may. snowden appears to be of a different order. yeah, that's very, very different. where they were, there was more in the context of this ransomware. i don't think he was talking about governmental hacking and cyber operations. because as a bomb is said, united states is better than anybody. and so on that level, russia has a worthy competitor in the united way. we believe in fair better than anyone, then how is it and go jump elected? i mean, i us the seizures. the obviously, but it is a given and certainly was amongst the nature nation media press cool that what the intelligence agency said, even though if you read the reports, the evidence may, it, it is not conclusive that russia interfered with the us election,

interfered to stop by being elected, this was a given that, that is part of the general consensus in the united states president has acknowledged that he preferred trump over hillary clinton back in 2016. and i think that maybe my russian colleagues now believe also that under trump, things got much, much worse for us, russian relations. the other thing that i thought was most egregious was his response to the nevada and the question. and that's why he brought up the capital riot, the insurrection on january 6th, at 8th, and compared nevada, the supporters to this fat violent, fascist bob that invaded the capital, trying to overturn the results of the fair election. and to lynch, not only mike pence, the vice president, but searching for legislators to also murder mean this this to compare the on the

supporters piece of protestors who are against corruption. with is fascist mob is such a leap into incredulity. and it gives the u. s. media, i'm not sure if he cares about that or not, but the us media has had the opportunity to discredit what he says based upon this excessive. what about ism, instead of answering the question about the volley, which he tended to do, many talked about, the congress declaring russia an enemy, and the ball, the volley being a foreign agent. mean if he wants to make that case, that's fine. but to go into these other, you know, trying to talk about all the bad things united states does, rather than confronting the bad things that russia does, is not going to get us anywhere. i don't know it's sounds like pinch to me putins

advisor if you know my baby is talking to tony trump, people but of course nevada me in fan is cool muslims cockroaches in need of extermination and has said that the pigeon government is weak and should have invaded ukraine, that seems to be redolent of the kind of rhetoric we heard from some trump supporters. i'm not defending a volley and i know that volleys popularity is very, very minimal and it's support is very, very low inside of russia. and that's why i think it's a big mistakes for putting to to make him into a martyr. i think you latin yvonne, the speak and via me has an actual critique of corruption. and that should be acted on. corruption is not in the interest of the russian people, and i know that the bad friends who are, are favorable to my russian friends who talk about not applying to my scouts, they have not having their kids apply to moscow state university because there's so

much corruption involved in the admission process. this affects people throughout russia has no corruption of the united states effect people here. what is the lobbying effort in the united states? what is the defense contractors with their big machines getting these multi 1000000000 dollar contracts, 1000000 dollar contract to build this new ground based missile system in the united states. and i'm happy to condemn what's going on the united states. and i'm happy to condemn levels of corruption in russia because this is not the interest of the people in either country. so i think the volunteer should be a voice there. he doesn't pose a rep pony. he's not going to get elected dog catcher. but by making him a martyr this way, not only does that make him look bad in the eyes of the world, but it also elevates yvonne the stature. so i think this is a big mistake. peter. good. thank you. she was going to talk to you after the break

just hours before putin med right. and in geneva, u. k, u. s. u, israel bombed besieged garza, the sign of all war in the middle east. we speak to the bestselling rephrase. of the israel palestine conflict. anthony lowenstein. all of them all coming out of going underground. ah, the ah, ah

ah, due to phoenix, you guys actually got an uncovered face men's clothing and showed a whole stuck? it's a kind of s can feminism name is how camino ah, well above put a human someone with a whole lot of that of us. it was a lot of our our job. but you know, the ones that gave me she lives in one of the most dangerous and patriarchal provinces of afghanistan, cost like she which time i miss that. sure. no, i shall do that. i have that updated kit. i'm glad that i got the notes that she does her best to fight for women's rights. i am not going

to get that done. as you know, what i do, i know that she's not here by her nickname the king was i got that much other that was really go on the guy that i welcome back today. marks 9 years since wiki leaks, founder and publish a julian, a sorry, sort refuge in the equitorial embassy in london. you can watch our interviews with him on our youtube channel today. according to the us. he is being tortured in london in a week when even concern so called mainstream media like cnn met with the department of justice about press freedom in the united states and as u. k. u. s. a. u armed israel bombed garza recently the side of the destruction of a p and al jazeera and joined from sydney by independent journal north antony lowenstein, who is in east jerusalem for the best part of the last decade. as the thanks so

much for coming back on. so yeah, with now is all this geneva meeting? we get orders by bennett, the new israeli prime minister table garza in response to balloons from hamas. it seems you've been forgotten by the time the global agenda moved to geneva, but your take on the been a decision it sadly on surprising or one of the remarkable things of that so much of the western media coverage which equally those who are still writing and netanyahu and i'm still one of those people. is it been? it's record, which i'm guessing you looked at your views will be aware of is remarkably similar to netanyahu. in fact, in some cases, even though, right, when in fact, many cases the, he wanted to go even harder against this is bennett. so, you know, it's a classic example here of so much the media coverage about these issues plays up when there's a so called war or conflict for 2 weeks away or whatever it may be and then

disappear. and it almost seems as if i remember during the race enough, claire and violence, the new york times had a headline, something like, after a long period of quiet violence, slaves somehow, every day. and there is a quiet, relaxing day holiday or every day in the west bank occupation is not incredibly difficult, violent and challenging. i mean, the occupation is violence every single day when i live in a jerusalem between 20162020. and i've been spending a lot of time over there in the last you said 15 years, i was saying every single day down the road from my house, where they tell us the names likely to be forcibly evicted any de rampant, far right, jewish fashion, which is what they are sometimes there is rarely often they are american, sometimes they are straight in, you have complete kind of launch to not just access and get and live in the homes. i saw at times remember this amazing image. it never leaves me from 2009 when one

of the previous rounds of expulsion and there was a palestinian family literally sitting on their couch outside their home on the pavement. and jewish precious had been allowed to moving in front of them. this is happening all the time. we should be clear minded about what the likely new israeli government is. yes, there's a more interesting coalition that some elements and less arrive netanyahu's coalition. that's true. but on the case she is now q patient continues and give you a livery, the great israeli journalist and it's right in the column a few days ago that yes, yeah. who not going to be crying and he left. but let's be clear on that one. bennett stands for and my dad repeated lupita is the foreign minister of a likely new prime minister. apparently in 2023. both of them have expressed for years a belief yorkie patients should not. and i think someone did account recently that a 12200 out of 120 members that connects it essentially believe in jewish

departments, namely that there should be no in the occupation. so although some jewish groups in america excited and hopeful that the removal met in the i will make their battles easier to convince politicians or jews. but there's a new, fresh air in, in israel, i hope that's true, but there's no indication of why it would be based on the people made up in these rarely government today. well, in fantasy the jewish supremacy is in trying to the, in the national law, which is the law of israel. we had been that stop strategist, georgia bumble. and he said that bennett is a pragmatist. in fact he, he spoke of how ariel sharon, so infamous for the massacre of refugees in beirut. he look out, he soon became a piece make a to, could been it not be this new piece, make it because that's what happens to israeli politicians. i mean, as i said,

anything is possible. but the id that for example, ariel sharon, was a peacemaker. i presume he was referring to the removal of settlers from gaza, which was something to be welcomed in 2005. but let's not forget that the aim of that was doing change, the west bank occupation, and been it for years, has expressed literally 0 vision interest desires in the occupation. fact, his desire, in fact, is to annex the west bank. so the only way the situation will change on the ground there any use rally activist or posting for that matter will tell you, is outside pressure, there is no current outside pressure that is likely to once a pressure israel. so in this, the e u is useless. and mostly complicit america. we know where they stand. mostly countries happy to be friends with israel received arms and weapons from israel. where's this pressure going to come from outside? well breakdown britain, the european union, russia, china,

all oppose the settlements and support the un resolution that was the year year. and americans claims on the bottom as well. and what's interesting and just this week, which is a slight sign of progress shown to suggest on completely pessimistic. i'm actually not. is that americans for pace now which is as honest organization growing, there was a groups like this are saying that needs to be some conditions on us aid to israel . that it israel continues to kill palestinians to expel palestinians from the, from a serious la bomb gods. or etc. nathan, the condition is on a that that was certainly a position that many people held on the fringes for years. the not in the mainstream. yeah. on on the interview. said look, you know, us, money doesn't bank roll the israeli status level one percent of gdp. israel can survive in any case. i just want to get on to something that maybe you can illuminate me on because we've had a good barrack on the program. we've had,

you know, different israeli politicians whenever i talk about the nuclear weapons program, they can't talk about it. is that to explain why they're not allowed to talk about the weapons of mass destruction that israel have given that cause the world was looking in geneva, about nuclear disarmament between biden and pigeon. everybody knows, including then that israel has anywhere between $1.00 to $400.00 nuclear weapons and the only known nuclear power in the middle east. why don't they want to talk about it? because there's this idea that's been established for decades, pretty much since the beginning that there was somehow and a strategic benefit in not acknowledging you have the weapons, but oil cycle enemy, no, you have the weapon. i mean, in this day and age in 2021. it's an absurdity that israel still doesn't acknowledge they have nuclear weapons. we all know they do an nuclear free. well, the nuclear free, middle east, main se israel should have and i went, but no one wants to seriously talk about that. well, not certainly,

those are in town why. why do you think that is, i mean, presumably the installation demona need servicing by international contractors. maybe. i mean, why a grown adult on this program saying, look, i can talk about that. or, i mean, usually deterrent means you tell people you haven't of the, you don't get attacked. but everyone knows they habits. i mean, this is the point. i mean, why i, arguably, i'm not sure i'm very adult. so there's, i would argue that they're not necessarily adults at all, and they, i think there is a sense and this, this comes down to how israel is allowed to double standard virtue, every shape on every single country that the u. s. gives a to, in theory, at least on paper, checks and balances. not, not for a 2nd. it's not actually reality. i know it doesn't, but in some ways it should. when the israel receives $3.00 to $4000000000.00 a year, which includes vast numbers of weapons, and i'm on a ben, it's advise the might say the you i said has knowing pat, that's absolute nonsense. this is not just about finances,

it's actually about to fall more than that. it's about diplomatic military. and i would argue political cover for the israel does. israel knows that as soon as america wants to change the policies there, they could. i mentioned getting, let me before he's often said publicly that if america walks away the occupational engine a way to meet the needs to be serious pressure on countries that are supposedly friendly with israel, parts of the your country, britain, to be far more forthright society or israel, you can talk credibly about wanting to eradicate nonexistent, raining nuclear threat or other countries that migrate nuclear weapons in the middle east. well, you have nuclear weapons yourself. i mean, most countries, when i have that kind of love. yeah, well all the talk about the uranium elections in friday is being this change perceived about nuclear policy. obviously, israel, as you say, neither confirm nor deny they have nuclear weapons in the whistleblower motor gave a new kidnapped in london for revealing nuclear weapons. can't talk to us because

he's not allowed by israeli authorities. you tweet that recently and i had someone else effectively detain mohammed her lobby. oh, who is he and why? why is he in jail? he was the head of the, the palestine in gaza. he was the head of will vision, which is international n g, a chris in india. he was ahead of that in gaza for number of years. and about 5 years ago he was arrested and charged with allegedly stealing tens of millions of dollars from well vision. and other organization 0 evidence has been presented to prove that he's been in jail for 5 years. you know, and israeli prison. he was tortured. he lost partly size in one of his eyes. he had, i think now it's close to 200 so called dates. in course there's been literally no progress about his case. it's one of the longest, if not the longest quay in israeli history. he was offered a number of years ago,

a plea deal to say if you take this, you will be released. he will relate the years ago. about 2 years ago. he refused on principle. i am not going to acknowledge a crime. i never committed. i've never met him personally, it's impossible for journalists to maintain, but i communicated with the lawyer when i was living in a serious one. i interviewed his lawyer. he said, and he's a palestinian lawyer. he said he'd never seen a case more or william, the sense that he often wasn't allowed to bring witnesses in from gather. he wasn't allowed often to hear witness statements in the jack in the priest in the court, in court, in jerusalem in all situations. crazy as far as i'm aware, the straight and government has put no pressure on israel to resolve this. it's kind of this fall into a black hole. we invite the israeli bass drawn to respond to the allegations, obviously that someone else near the studio, julian assange, 9 years today that he saw a political asylum. what do you make of the by ministrations,

the continued attempt to extradite him for a 175 years sentence? potentially, mary garland, the d o j, the decision to, to keep, keep that up. i mean, it hasn't been successful related to publishers and journalists to be a question, i guess along that in 2 ways. i think for a lot of mainstream media outlets with a few notable exceptions, the shameless silence speaks volumes about how they view with they viewed him. as problematic as not worthy of support, and that's deeply wrong because a scientist, someone who i know not best friends with him, but i've known him for number of these. he's a strain and as many view as will be aware and straight or citizen myself, he has an australian passport. he's not an american citizen, and australia was essentially, well, most of best must the polite what i say this on television has essentially given up on him. i don't care that he could wrought imprison oil dar, indeed, dined for the by administration response shows that there's no difference with the

trumpet, ministration response and bama administration with all its faults. and they were many made a decision years ago. you will be with my, remember that it was not worth while prosecuting is because i was there for after prosecutes on the publications in which we see leaks. documents appeared. i mean, as a journalist, myself and investigative journalist work across the world has written over books and films. there is no more essential news gathering, organization and wiki lake symbol in my adult life. bohannon in documents about guantanamo iraq, honduras the drug war. i mean, any, she can imagine any journalist who fears we use inquiries and appreciate where he likes releases to me the shameless continued incarceration and torture of a son in a london prison. with no clear indication of wayne, a favorite way would be relief is not shameful. but actually deeply corrupt and

what is so remarkable, although not how silence so many journalists about his case. it speaks volumes about how they say they roll. and to me, as i thought for number, the most journalist, if you ask them, will say yes, we all believe in holding power to account. and what most shameless want to do is because the power that they, that's how they say their job. so when someone like assigns or snow didn't, for that matter or other bravely releasing information and taking personal risks, showing us how the world actually works. you get a real sense of what kind of people they are not just jealous, but people with how they come down on issues like a sounds in smaller than other sort of major lakes. so i am, i'm surprised, but a pole with how by then has taken it. there's still time to change, so he's only been in power for 6 months. but the indications are non fluid. so pressure is needed, including i might add, importantly in the us by major news organizations to actually

benefited and profited from his releases and chelsea mannings, of course. so we're talking the new york times, washington post and others who with a few notable exceptions, remained remarkably silent. about the psalms case. well, the australian government says it's doing when it can stand. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday. the longest day of the year as you and human rights council needs to discuss his stomach racism around the world until then even joshua social media and let us know what you think about the us. as long as we're in again this the join me every 1st day on the alex summon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics, sport, business and show business. i'll see you then. me

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