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reviewed by the, to the world as interfering with the elections directly of other countries. and everybody knew it. does president biden not know the until history of the united states? we talk to one of the writers of the seminal all of a stone documentary series about biting putin in geneva. the myths, mistakes and mystery, and is today merck. 9 years since working found a julian time sort political asylum in london, secretary and embassy only to be tortured in england, according to the un. what is the legacy of the arguable war crimes he uncovered in a week of more u. k. u. s. a. u armed israeli strikes on the siege garza, we trace from the african war logs to columbia with independent journalist anthony lo and told us more coming up in today's going undergrad. but 1st global media center this week on the geneva meeting between president putin and biden. although biden, unlike putin censored journalists from his press conference, depending on where they came from, most bizarrely, maybe from what was described as

a constructive meeting was biden's contention that the usa doesn't interfere with the governance of foreign countries. joining me now from washington, d. c, as someone who well knows this history, co author of all of us, jones untold history of the united states professor peter could make pizza. thanks so much for coming on. so what did you make of him saying, well, what if everyone thought that america the united states interfered in the governance of other countries, more or less, he clearly hasn't read your books or senior films. well, a detailed a couple of whoppers there. he said, how would it be united states reviewed by the rest of the world is interfering with the elections of other countries and everybody knew it was starting with the founding of the cia and 947. the united states has been if this year and get elections all over the planet ever since, including in russia. but the 1st effort was in france. i'm

franz, is in italy. us have been involved in, not only hearing it elections, but an overthrowing governments including peace, democratically elected, very popular governments. of course, the cases like iran in 1953 are just mistaken goal. and we're paying the part priced with that ever since. or guatemala in 1954. we're paying the price that i but this is happening all over the planet, but it says, what does people, lou? it, well people's do know it the, there was a recent call by the association of democracies, which that asked which country it asked $50000.00 people in $53.00 countries who pose is the greatest rep to democracy in their countries? 44 percent said the united states. 38 percent said china, 27 percent said russia. so biden's question is a little bit misplaced and very,

very ignorant. i think he doesn't know. he has to know he's been involved. he was against the vietnam war. he initially he started off fairly progressively and have some good things in his background, and he's not been all bad or all wrong. and these issues here. so of course, supported the invasion of afghanistan and the invasion of iraq. then he oppose the troop build up. when he was vice president in afghanistan, impose a oppose the us lead nato operation. there i was through gadhafi and libya. he apparently even opposed timber. sycamore and syria. jo, he's been actually just tell us about timber sycamore in syria because i know the syria came up in the by including meeting as regards this so called humanitarian corridor. obviously viewed by many in the global south as a, as a enabler of proxies. but what was the timber sycamore if you go through the early

analysis in the media common very about what was happening in syria. there had been a 6 year drought and there were some pro cast because the farming sector was really devastated. people were moving into the cities, so there was some protest, but it was very, very minor broadcast. and as you read the articles in time, the news make stressful is always the emphasis was there are arid spring was occurring in several countries. it was not going to hit syria because there was no strong opposition in syria. it was at that point that the united states started to give legal aid to the islamic extremist. and the united states bank rolled funded and really pushed forward this massive operation that ended up being the opposition movement in syria. the whole thing could have been avoided as syria was not about to explode there, but the united states help you with that. and now we've seen the devastating

consequences that operation in syria i being a bit unfair to britain leaving the british b. b. c, admitted the british aid also disappeared, apparently into al titling groups. he said there was a 2nd whopper and present we had also related to make a 2nd whopper from biter. was his comment that the united states is different from all other countries because the united states was founded on an idea on a concept. and that concept is said was freedom and human rights. and that's why he's got to bring up his question of human rights. any american president would do? so he said, because it's part of our dna. maybe there was an idea. maybe there were some people who supported human rights, but as historians know, us was founded on enslavement of millions of africans and then later

african americans and founded on the massacre of the navy, american populations. that was not really human rights. the way i define human rights, so maybe nobody told bite and about the 1619 project. maybe nobody informed biden of the last 60 years of historical scholarship in this country. but clearly this kind of simplistic ideological interpretation analysis is not going to do anybody, any good enough america bashing. give me some put in mythologies. well, had his own, his own that trips into la la land. prudence said that he talked about cider and he said the fight, the biggest offenders in on cyber were the united states, canada, latin america, and britain. apparently russia even make the top fly. you know, so that's absurd, non clear there. whether you means from the soil of those countries,

which you put in, was very keen on emphasizing, i suppose moscow, after all, hosts the whistleblower edward snowden. so i don't know whether the russian government advised him, but the mass spectrum, surveillance, and hacking revealed by snowden appears to be of a different order. yeah, that's very, very different. where they were, that was more in the context of this ransomware. i don't think he was talking about governmental hacking and cyber operations because as a bama said, united states is better. this is anybody. and so on that level, russia has a worthy competitor in the united way. way believe in fair better than anyone, then how is it push and go jump elected? i mean, i us that facetiously obviously, but it is a given and certainly was amongst the nature nation media. press cool that what the intelligence agency said, even though if you read the reports, the evidence may, isn't,

it is not conclusive. russia interfered with the u. s. election interfered to stop by and being elected. this was a given that, that is part of the general consensus in the united states president has acknowledge that he preferred trump over hillary clinton back in 2016. and i think that many my russian colleagues now believe also that under trump, things got much, much worse for us, russian relations. the other thing that i thought was most egregious was his response to the nevada, the question. and that's why he brought up the capital riot, the insurrection on january 6. and he said, he compared nevada, the supporters to this fat violent, fascist bob that invaded the capital, trying to overturn the results of the fair election,

added to lynch. not only mike pence, the vice president, but searching for legislators to also murder mean this, this to compare the, evolved these supporters peaceful protesters who are against corruption, which is fascist mob is such a leap into incredulity and it gives the u. s. media, i'm not sure if he cares about that or not, but the us media has had the opportunity to discredit what it says based upon the successive. what about ism, instead of answering the question about in the volley, which he tended to do? many talked about the congress declaring russia anatomy and the bought the volley being a foreign agent. mean, if you want to make that case, that's fine. but to go and these other, you know, trying to talk about all the bad things the united states does, rather than confronting the bad things that russia does,

is not going to get us anywhere. i sounds like a pitch to be putins advisor. if you don't mind, maybe talking to tony trump, people, but of course nevada me in fan is cool muslims cockroaches in need of extermination and has said that the booting government is weak and should have invaded ukraine. and that seems to be redolent of the kind of rhetoric we heard from some trump supporters. i'm not defending a volley. and i know that volleys popularity is very, very minimal and it's support is very, very low inside of russia. and that's why i think it's a big mistake for putting to to make him into a martyr. i think you latin of, on the speak and the volley has an actual critique of corruption. and that should be acted on. corruption is not in the interest of the russian people, and i know that by friends who are favorable to our,

my russian friends who talk about not applying to my scouts, they have not having their kids apply to moscow state university because there's so much corruption involved in the admission process, this affects people throughout russia has no corruption to the united states effect people here. what is the lobbying effort in the united states? what is the defense contractors with their big machines getting these multi 1000000000 dollar contracts, 1000000 dollar contract to build this new ground based missile system in the united states? i mean, i'm happy to condemn what going on the united states, and i'm happy to condemn levels of corruption in russia because this is not the interest of the people in either country. so i think the volunteer should be a voice there. he doesn't pose a rep holden, he's not going to get elected dog catcher. but by making him a martyr this way, not only does that make him look bad in the eyes of the world,

but it also elevates yvonne the stature. so i think this is a big mistake, peter. good night. thank you. she was going to talk to you after the break just hours before who's in med right and in geneva, you can us, he, you israel bombed besieged garza, the sign of all that war. in the middle east. we speak to the bestselling, reframed of the israel palestine conflict. camino and all the more coming up to going underground. join me every thursday on the alex salmon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then, me me. one of the worst have a mass shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the tragedy a close a little live in real life vegas. where many say elected officials are controlled by casino loaners. the vegas shooting revealed what the l v m p

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with him on our youtube channel today, according to the us. he is being tortured in, in a week when even concern so called mainstream media like cnn, met with the department of justice about press freedom in the united states. and as you can, you as a you armed israel bombed garza so recently the side of the destruction of a p and al jazeera and joined from sydney by independent journalist and author antony lowenstein. who's been an east jury slip for the best part of the last decade and see thanks so much for coming back on. so yeah, with now is all this geneva meeting? we get orders by bennett, the new israeli prime in a civil garza, in response to balloons. from hamas it seems to be forgotten by the time the global agenda moved to geneva. but your take on the been a decision. it sadly on surprising. and one of the remarkable things of that so much of the western media coverage, typically those who are still writing and netanyahu. and i'm just telling one of those people. is it bennett record,

which i'm guessing you've looked at your views will be aware of, is remarkably similar to netanyahu. in fact, in some cases, even more right wing, and in fact, many cases the, he wanted to go even harder against this is bennett. so it's a classic example here of so much the media coverage about this issue plays up when there's a so called war or conflict for 2 weeks, a week or whatever it may be and then disappear. and it almost seems as if i remember during the race enough, claire and violence, when your time had a headline, something like, after a long period of quiet violence, slaves somehow, every day. and there is a quiet, relaxing day holiday or every day in the west bank occupation is not incredibly difficult, violent and challenging. i mean, the occupation is violence every single day when i lived in a jerusalem between 2016 in 2020. and i've been spending a lot of time over there in the last you say, 15 years, i was saying every single day down the road from my house,

where they tell us the names are likely to be forcibly evicted any day. read the far right jewish fashion, which is what they are. sometimes there is rarely often they are american. sometimes they're striving. you have complete count, launch to not as access and get and live in the homes. i saw at times remember this amazing image never leaves me from 2009 when one of the previous rounds of expulsion. and there was a palestinian family literally sitting on their couch outside their home on the pavement. and jewish freshness had been allowed to moving in front of them. this is happening all the time. we should be clear minded about what the likely new israeli government need. yes, there's a more interesting coalition that some elements and less right netanyahu coalition . that's true. but on the case she is now keep patient continues and giving livery, the great israeli journalist from hire. right. and the column a few days ago. that yes yeah. who are not going to be crying and he's left. but

let's be clear on what bennett stands for. and my dad le peed lupita is the foreign minister, the likely new prime minister, apparently in 2020 grade. both of them have expressed for years a believe the patients should not. and i think someone did account recently that 820100 out of 120 members that connects it essentially believe in jewish supremacy, namely that they should be knowing the occupations. so although some jewish groups in america excited and hopeful that the removal making the i will make their battles easier to convince politicians or jews. but there's a new, fresh air in, in israel. i hope that's true, that there is no indication of why it would be based on the people made up in these rarely government today. well, in fairness, the jewish supremacy is in trying to the, in the national law, which is the law of israel. we had been that stop strategist,

georgia bomb bomb and he said that bennett is a pragmatist. in fact, he, he spoke of how ariel sharon, so infamous for the massacre of refugees in beirut. he looked out, he soon became a peacemaker, too. could bennett not be this new peacemaker because that's what happens to israeli politicians. what i mean, as i said anything, it's possible. but the id that for example area sharon, was a peacemaker. i presume he was referring to the removal of settling from gaza, which was something to be welcomed in 2005. but let's not forget that the aim of that was doing change, the west bank occupation, and been it for years, has expressed literally 0 vision interest desires in the occupation. fact his desire, in fact, is to an x, the west bank. so the only way the situation will change on the ground, then any railey activist or pellet thing for that matter will tell you,

is outside pressure. there is no current outside pressure that is likely to once a pressure israel to the e. u is useless and mostly complicit america. we know where they stand. mostly our countries happy to be friends with israel received arms and weapons from israel. where's his pressure going to come from outside? well, break down. britain, the european union, russia, china, all opposed the settlements and support the un resolution that was the year year americans claims under bought and i applied as well. and we'll take this thing and i just this week, which is a slight sign of progress. phone a suggest completely pessimistic. i'm actually not. is that americans for pace now, which is as honest organization, growing men with groups like this are saying the need to be some conditions on us aid here. israel, that it israel continues to kill palestinians to expel palestinians from the, from jerusalem, from gods or etc. and they send the conditions on a. and that was certainly

a position that many people held on the fringes for years, but not mainstream. yeah. on, on the interview bed, look, you know, us money doesn't bankroll the israeli state level one percent of g d p. israel can survive in any case. i just want to get on to something that maybe you can illuminate me on because we've had barrack on the program. we've had, you know, different israeli politicians. whenever i talk about the nuclear weapons program, they can't talk about it. is that to explain why they're not allowed to talk about the weapons of mass destruction that israel have given that of course the world was looking in geneva, about nuclear disarmament between biden and pearson. everybody knows, including then that israel as anywhere between $1.00 to $400.00 nuclear weapons, only known nuclear power in the middle east. why don't they want to talk about it? because there's this idea that's been established for decades pretty much since the beginning. that there was somehow and

a strategic benefit in not acknowledging you have the weapons, but oil cycle enemy, know you have the weapon. i mean, in this day and age in 2021. it's an absurdity. that israel still doesn't know if they have nuclear weapons. we all know they do and nuclear free world in nuclear, free middle east. main. say israel should have no weapons, but no one wants to seriously talk about that. well, not certainly. those are in town. why. why do you think that is, i mean, presume, be the installation that demona need servicing by international contractors? maybe. i mean, why grown holds on this program saying, look, i can talk about that. or, i mean, usually deterrent means you tell people you haven't the, you don't get attacked. but everyone knows they habits. i mean, this is the point. i mean, why i, arguably, i'm not sure i'm very adult. so there's, i would argue to not necessarily adults at all and be, i think there is a sense and this, this comes down to how israel is allow the double standard on virtue every shape on

every single country that the u. s. gives a to, in theory, at least on paper, checks and balances. not, not for a 2nd. it's not actually reality. i know it doesn't, but in some ways it should. when the israel receives $3.00 to $4000000000.00 a year, which includes vast numbers of weapons, and i might add bennett, advise them might say that the usa has no pat, that's absolute nonsense. this is not just about finances. it's actually about far more than that. it's about diplomatic military, and i would argue political cover for the israel does. israel knows that as soon as america wants to change the policies there they could. i mentioned getting, let me before he's often said publicly that if america wants the occupation of an engine a week to may, the needs to be serious pressure on countries that are supposedly friendly with israel, parts of the your country, britain, to be far more forthright decided israel, you can talk credibly about wanting to eradicate non existent iranian nuclear

threat or other countries that micro nuclear weapons in the middle east. well, you have nuclear weapons yourself. i mean, most countries, when i have that kind of love. yeah, well all the talk about the ringing elections in friday is being this change perceived about nuclear policy. obviously israel, as you say, neither confirm nor deny they have nuclear weapons. and the whistle blower motor gave a new kidnapped in london for revealing nuclear weapons. can't talk to us because he's not allowed by israeli authorities. you tweeted that recently and i had someone else effectively detain mohammad how lobby, who is he and why? why is he in jail? he was the head of the, the palestine in gaza. he was the head of will vision, which is international n g a christ in india. he was ahead of that in gaza for number of years. and about 5 years ago he was arrested and charged with allegedly stealing tens of millions of dollars from well vision. and other organization 0 evidence has been presented to

prove that he's been in jail for 5 years. and israeli prison. he was tortured. he's lost partly citing one of his eyes he had, i think now it's close to 200 so called dates. in course, there's been literally no progress about his case. it's one of the longest, if not the longest k israeli history, he was offered a number of years ago. a play deal to say if you take the still you will be released, you will relate the years ago. about 2 years ago. he refused on principles. i am not going to acknowledge a crime. i never committed. i've never met him personally. it's impossible for journalist to maintain, but i communicated with lawyer when i was living in a truce lunch. i interviewed lawyer. he said, and he's a palestinian lawyer. he said he'd never seen a case more or william, the sense that he often wasn't allowed to bring witnesses in from gather. he wasn't allowed often to hear witness statements in the jack in the priest in the court, in court, in jerusalem in all situations. crazy as far as i'm aware,

the straight and government has put no pressure on israel to resolve this. it's kind of this fall into a black hole. we invite these really bass drawn to respond to the allegations. obviously there's someone else near the studio. julian assange, 9 years today that he saw the political asylum. what do you make of the by ministrations, continue to attempt to extradite him for a 175 years sentence, potentially married garland, the d o j, the decision to, to keep, keep that up. i mean, has it been successful related to publishers and journalists to the question, i guess i'll answer that in 2 ways. i think for a lot of mainstream media outlets with a few notable exceptions, the shameless silence speaks volumes about how they view with they view game as problematic as not worthy of support. and that's deeply wrong because a scientist, someone who i know not best friends with him,

but i've known him for number these. he's a straight in as many view as will be aware and straight or citizen myself. he has an australian passport. he's not an american citizen, and australia was essentially, well, most of best must the polite what i say this on television. as essentially given up on him. i don't care that he could write, imprison oil in day dine for the by administration. response shows that there's no difference with the trauma, ministration, response, and bama ministration. my go, what's false, and they were many made a decision years ago. you will be with my, remember that it was not worth while prosecuting is because i was there for after prosecutes on the publications in which we live. documents appeared. i mean, it's a journalist, myself, and investigative journalists, he's worked across the world, has written over books and films. there is no more essential news gathering, organization and wiki lake symbol in my adult life. bohannon in documents about

guantanamo iraq, honduras the drug war. i mean, any, she can imagine any journalists who sears will use and quote, and appreciate wiki blake's releases to me the shameless continued incarceration and torture of a son in a london prison. with no clear indication of when the favor would be released is not shameful. but actually deeply corrupt and what is so remarkable, although not how silence so many journalists about his case. it speaks volumes about how they say they roll. and to me, as i thought for number, the most journalist, if you ask them, will say yes, we all believe in holding power to account. and what most shameless want to do is because the power that they, that's how they say their job. so when someone like assigns or snowden for that matter or other bravely releasing information and taking personal risks, showing us how the world actually works. you get

a real sense of what kind of people they are not just jealous, but people with have i come down on issues like a sounds and snow and other sort of major lakes. so i am i'm surprised. but a pole with how by then has taken it. there's still time to change. so he's only been in town for 6 months. but the indications are not fluid. so pressure is needed, including i might add, importantly in the us by major news organizations to actually benefited and profited from his releases and chelsea mannings, of course. so we're talking the new york times, washington post, and others who with a few notable exceptions, have remained remarkably silent about the psalms case. well, the australian government says it's doing when it can stand. thank you. thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday, the longest day of the year as you and human rights council needs to discuss systemic racism around the world until then keep in touch with social media and let