the me, a grandmother doing life for murder, was released from prison yesterday. after 17 years, when a judge said she did not doing. susan, no one recently filed a lawsuit against the detective who arrested her for hiding evidence. that detective is the same one who arrested reggie cole with which we, you know, as a society we see the bad guy in the good guy. well, that cops and robbers, but when the car becomes the robber, the game is over. the game is over f corruption. it was her rhetoric twist of fate

. lead to raj. it's really. bruce was more fortunate. his father's death led to an unexpected turn. providence, which was big thing and he had a great life insurance and it was 184000. and my dad left me and i was able to pull that up to about 236 stock market. and then it was just 100 percent of my time dedicated to my case. and that enabled boost to hire a private investigator. we had essentially a growing more chest of evidence that hadn't committed the crime earlier. that all the evidence that was presented was, was false. evidence. i had received a complaint from oscar. i flew up to the state prison where bruce lisco was i spoke to him when somebody is accused of murder or you're arrested for murder. it's tape recording. everything is tape record. i couldn't find his tape. ready it had been taken out of evidence by detective mon too,

and it was never put back into evidence active minds with the footprints outside the house matched the footprints on the inside. lieutenant gavin found the footprints weren't actually looked at best scientist or any qualified expert. so we took matters into his own hands, so i contacted our people and we're scientific investigative division. so he takes out this big magnifying glass, looks at it looks at the other one he goes, these 2 don't match, say, this is a great embarrassment for any large organization that you've convicted somebody for murder, and then 51020 years later. if it turns out that the person is actually innocent, and this is what my lieutenant said, that is not getting out of prison. do you understand me, sergeant cabin? they will do everything they can to stop. you prevent you from coming forward with the information you have. upon reviewing the comprehensive work of the private investigator, the internal affairs department claimed bruce's complaints were unfounded and that no misconduct had occurred. you can have an internal investigation where we all

investigate ourselves. that like a general my mom against the authorities or anything like that, just to get the system that they have no checks and balances you food is shaking. your i believe in internal affairs should be separate from the police department. there is no way that a police department can investigate themselves. currently, there are no independent organizations whose job is to investigate police misconduct. and there are no oversight of prosecutors either. bryce with the toil misconduct is a major factor of wrongful convictions. just a single thread that runs through almost all of the wrongful condition cases. jeff jessica beck as a masters and criminal justice, specializing in wrongful convictions. he's also a survivor of prosecutorial misconduct. i spent 16 years in prison that was roughly 17 emerged at 32. jeff eventually won

a lawsuit against putnam county new york for his section, which enabled him to start his own foundation. and i'm the founder and executive director of the geography, dustin foundation for justice. there's no deterrence, there's no oversight. there's no punishment for prosecutors, so they can break the law. they don't face criminal penalties even when they engage and withholding evidence of innocence threatening witnesses, coercing witnesses, no matter how serious the misconduct is. if the prosecutor commits that after an arrest has been made, they have what's called prosecutorial immunity. they're above the law. you prosecutors to really uphold what's become just words. which is, you know, they're there to do justice. they're there to do the right thing. it becomes more like where they are to win, especially when prosecutor's office actually keeps statistics on conviction rates. well, you should be credited that you looked at a case where the police thought they had a good case, but a good prosecutor looked and said, you know what, there's

a mistake made here. we should drop the charges in this case. we should incentivize that. but instead, we actually incentivize the opposite of getting convictions and getting conviction rates. all of a sudden justice gets lost in that process and whether this guy commit the crime or not gets lost in that process because it's all about winning my case. amusing that, i mean, in the real world, you know, you're supposed to be held accountable for your wrong don't. and so therefore, if you are a person of authority of authority, do you have to be held at a higher standard than just elaine me, i think we actually to step back and kind of rethink the whole system in the way we're approaching it. because it's become this game and people's lives are lost as a result of the me. do you ever do find yourself wrongfully convicted? odds are you never get now. the 1st thing you need to do in preservation letters to

the police department labs and the courts questing that you want all your evidence said. otherwise, they may destroy within 30 days. try to find an innocence project that will take your case. prepare for this process to take years in pray for miracle. the innocence project estimates conservative way there could easily be 40000 to over 100000 americans. currently wrongfully convicted. a majority of which are people of color the private investigator never gave up. on his case a very vigorous private investigator who made a complaint to the d. atlanta on the desk of a internal affairs investigator who looked at bruce's claims in a very serious minded fashion. the the

people liked the fact of mon 2 and the others out there that have made our job very difficult to do day after day. because we lose the confidence of the public and we lose the competence of the court. we have to have police chiefs, directors of public service that are willing to do the right thing and terminate employees who are doing the wrong thing. if you want to say you're the good guy, but you're ostracized by everybody that you believe. then it's a very difficult situation because i have to continue to work for the same department that did this to bruce list or i don't look at myself as a hero. i look at myself as a sort of as a survivor, because the system attacked me. system one after me and the system did everything i could to keep bruce liquor in jail and everything to keep me quiet. it's been a lot of therapy. my wife and i met in 3rd grade. we were elementary, junior, i high school sweethearts, we lived on the same street and it's been,

it's been a very difficult, difficult road. she is, 3rd generation l. a. p d. and the survival is day by day. and always looking over your shoulder, whether you're doing the right thing or not, you're constantly looking over your shoulder. and every time i get called into the captain's office, i wonder what did i do now? and i've never had that feeling before. i just kept on telling myself they are not going to defeat me. they're not going to defeat me. it's just when you come across something like this, what are you going to do? and that's the difficult thing. if i had not given up the information that i did to the l a times bruce listener would still be in prison. a bloody footprint that was attributed to bruce in his trial had recently been re analyzed and shown to not been made from bruce issue. so they got his interest in the case and we started talking to is a private investigator and began the 7 month investigation. and the conclusion

about they filed an article called a case of doubt that eventually won them in award. when the time's award, i went up sitting between 2005 when the 1st article came out and 2009 in prison for solid ears. a widely recognized innocent man. we knew back in 2003, 2004 that we had probably a person that was in prison for a crime. he did not commit. and it took 5 years for the courts to work through the entire system. there were a lot of delays because of the conduct of my own police department and the conduct of the california attorney general reggie court at 16 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. 10 of those years were spent in solitary confinement. and he had to kill another man to get a trial. it's a miracle reggie got out at all. i

. tim is a miracle story as well. in late 2000. after 26 years, he made pearl. i signed some papers for the pro officer. he said, okay, see you later didn't asked me how i was getting home. didn't ask me if i had a home. when i realized these people honestly don't give me to survive. judy, now it's a lot harder than it sounds. you may have develop post traumatic stress disorder agoraphobia, param, lawyer, and require immediate treatment. you want to need food, new clothes. you're going to need money for transportation to and from your parole officer meeting. if you miss a meeting, you could find yourself back in jail. when i need a job, but there's a lot of discrimination out there by employment and housing. speaking of which

you're going to need a home. i wouldn't have a home if it wasn't for the rescue, a life foundation to set up the house, transitional housing god. and that allegation is what's gotten me by it's the reason i'm sitting here and not back inside the rescue alive found ation was founded by dwayne macaulay, who knows how challenging it can be to re enter society. dwayne did 25 years himself from murder after school. we would have to go down to my mother's dress and hang out all day and work around the business a dead time. we had several organisations which is controlled area. so it was pretty say we had the black panthers ring is organization united ways. we had the nation a is it was pretty cool. you know, you have to worry about people coming in, holding you up and everything you have to worry about. that's what it was after the call and tell people when they got pushed on the ground,

that everything seeing like, you know, went crazy. all above came out in a, you know, you will, you will fair game in the store operator. that's why we started having a lot, a lot of burglaries, my mother, she just a little bit late. she's beat up one day while i was there and i grabbed it due to the ground and keep doing better after he got the money. did he figured was enough money? you know, i was lucky and i was probably about 11 years old and, you know, and he had his gun on issue and now didn't mean not to move in just kicking her in and demanding more money. and he got all the money we had, she know duane's mother wasn't robbed once she was robbed over and over again. ah, what we were saying on the show was sticking in. you've got global war because i thought countries are now competing to accumulate the most part of the game theory

that's built into the incentive stack. that is the magic of bitcoin and was unpredictable. who exactly would take the 1st step. we had talked about possibly japan, possibly around. possibly. russia turns out that nel, salvatore is taking the 1st step toward a bit going standard making bitcoin legal, standard responding would be necessarily need budge. it didn't matter. i had the value but i again gag in john's island. this died i might have talked to you about the most the most difficult to find the but there are 410 days right on the bank of gun based water can make allies and

is going to develop new to men, their international market. know that these industries falutin, you're simply ignored in one days that the mother of them and when we loved them, other than that means we love the, the doing the breathing technique and then take a pool in the hill. and we don't know where it goes to to bring them to the range. they were just diamond fields rec,

tomorrow. it just didn't read a vision to me. the me i read even the come in about me being so tight and he smoked. we submit just take this, you need for medicare and lead other things, you know, lead to co gay pcp was in lean to my crime that happened. they sent me to prison division for a 2nd. we murder some dues, rob me. they were supposed to been the middleman going to get drugs and in the, in the rob and me because it, it happened to us in our business, the family business, so much this guy. he wasn't just the one that was robbing me all the time. he was

the image of somebody had been victimized in my family in all these other times you had got away with this time you weren't going to get away. so it was kind of like a retaliation thing for you and you. you don't pay for that. and so what i found is that what you can forgive, you end up becoming what you can forgive, you end up becoming so i had to learn how to forgive and let it go. and i had to learn how to give him that they go, because he was also after i got to see his record. and this guy had a, a rap sheet, you know, from here from one sided room to the other. you know, and i, and i could see that, you know, he needed the same help that i need. we are generally taught to imagine that there is such thing as, for example, a murderer. in other words, the murder in the public imagination, and in most of our minds,

whether we thought about it or not initially is someone who likes to murder and who would murder given the opportunity? i think that's what it's like, a vocation, right? that's what murderers do. they go around murdering, right, and that's why you don't let them out of principal, the amount of prison they're going to murder again. the reality is that like murder is almost always a contact the situation it is statistically speaking very rarely driven by a compulsion or a desire to do harm, right? it's a reaction to some set of circumstances to a real or perceived threat, to some extreme emotional state. it's not a propensity, basically, we're confusing the profile of a psychopath. the psychopath we've read about, you know, the serial killer with prisoners in general. if we, as a society, stop and imagine that the people in prison are fully human, incredibly diverse, have often been through some of the most extreme and difficult situations and

conditions, some of which many of us couldn't even really begin to imagine. then suddenly, all that judgement and all that hostility and all that vindictiveness doesn't house . it's a natural place anymore. many of our students have committed murder and felt horrible about their crime. as soon as it happened, it's not like they needed to sit in prison for 15 or 20 years to realize they've done a bad thing or to never want to do it again. there is no human element to the criminal justice system. there is no human element, they're not there to help you. they're not there to help society. they can say they, that's what is set up for all they want. that's not what it's therefore not in california. and not in a lot of places. it's a system set up to punish people and they take a bad situation and they usually make it much worse.

you know what the official success rate of state prison is nearly 80 percent of all inmates go back within 5 years. success rate of 20 percent mentioned if we had those requirements of airplanes. wow. 8 out of 10 airplanes falling out of the sky. it's a little bit crazy making, and that is department of justice. they that's federal government research. dr. michael coil attended harvard university as a ph. d and justice studies. and as a professor of criminal justice, a california state university. dr. coil says the prison not only increases criminal behavior, but has a deleterious effect on society and the whole. what happens to a family when the wage earner is removed from society and thrown into prison for 10 years? what happens to those children? how are they impacted? what other chances of success in life start to go down? what? how does that impact the community loss of resources in that community? more demands in the community now to help to help this family, maybe the other parent, maybe the children. so clearly

a failure by every measure that you look at it that i think we just need to rethink the whole thing and not just keep trying to put lipstick on this bag. because that's what we're doing. but i think it is difficult for people to imagine a world without prisons. now we've become so accustomed to the idea of prisons, but it's hard. people imagine, well what do you do with people if you don't put them in? then when, when they've done wrong, there are other alternatives. just to ask you that the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its presence, hebrews, 133. remember those who are in chains as if you are in chains with them. we don't. we put everybody at risk. my husband dan was a police officer and he was killed in the line of duty. my goal at the trial was to

get the man who killed my husband, convicted of 1st degree murder, and be given the death penalty. and that's what i got. that's what happened. i thought, okay, here it is. i got justice. i'm going to be free from this, and it didn't happen. it was, it was just a lie, it, it didn't change anything. a kayla cheryl sustain us for brokering the truth between the credits and the blood in 1992. then in 2004, he experienced an unimaginable tragedy. my oldest son was murdered from winter break college. and it was shocked to death at a party. my daughter called me and was like a dad didn't get together on sesame street in the projects. and stephanie, talking to my going on a mission put around, so i jumped to my car and i drove over there to the projects and i jumped out the car and i, i said a i said, man, we played this i for 9242, game long enough, i'm like, you know, it's left is all blind and toothless. you know,

and i'm like when, without anybody here to provide direction in guidance for the kids and the young folks and the parents in the loved ones that are left behind. like, i'm like, let's, let's do something different. there's an opportunity here for us to take the wisdom that we know works. what we would do for our own kids. brown kids were in trouble and do it for everybody's kids. we have to demand once in for all an ends to believe seem this is for profit, at least half of the people in there are in there for crimes of addiction or economic desperation or mental health. instead of just throwing everybody that we've decided we can't help in the prison use the money for restorative justice programs, re ads and social services. there has to be citizen oversight and accountability for all our public service. luckily for us, we have access to all of the data. if you have any interest and injustice or equal access to opportunity in this country, all the data, luckily is out there. just

a matter of whether you get i was survival depends on being logical. i was the bible depends on being smart and our survival depends on love for each other and love for yourself. the had a good monday morning to you, our fornia man, finally free. after serving 16 years for a crime, he didn't commit. i didn't think it was really so i so my attorneys in visiting and i'm trying to describe ah, was an unbelievable feeling. i was just an emotional rollercoaster that, you know, i mean, i cry walking out and it's just the magnitude of all these years. my now

here it is, and then a moment later i would be too bewildered to cry and i would just be i that that whole day was really scary for me. a lot of people like think that it would be like i was terrified there were well wishers well wishers there of officers. they knew that i think they knew the truth and certainly knew the character, you know, my character. and then i was in the parking lot, ah, the air smell different. i wish my mom could have been there, which my dad could have been there was my step mom could have been there. but i think you know where they were. ah news like once i got on the other

side, tony, i just felt like running like just getting as far away from their place as i possibly have to answer that everybody would think that i would have a joyous time for me. i mean, like i literally scared to death. my cousin was waiting for me and my private invest. it was waiting for me. i said you on here. what actually and i looked at paul and i said, you know, let's get this stuff on the truck. out of here and we couldn't leave fast enough. i thought that would i have breakfast and i was like may that just the 3rd menu? it just was overwhelming. like it was completely overwhelming.

i haven't been in a vehicle without being chained that my feet. i would waste chain and then handcuffs, hook to the waist. and in a paper jump suit for 26 years. ah, yeah. the order to just try to try to figure it out. do i have to? i'm still trying to figure out like how do you object to the planet mars that are like the oxygen with there? i don't think i'm adjusted. ah,

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