targeted by u. k. u, as in a u nation weaponry and gaza, we speak to legend refill, make a john pill, joe, about the double standards of power and the death of all his journalism from palestine to china. all this more coming up in today's special edition of going underground. palestine is still the issue, the title of a sequel to when you go to film by legendary journalists and filmmaker, john villagers, a sentiment seemingly unheeded bicycles, mainstream media, even when the offices of nature nation journalist bomb by the u. k. u. s. a. u armed israeli military, joining me from sidney is john pilcher. john, thanks so much for coming on the show. you said the power side is the issue in the last century and in this century, how does it link everything from war and peace atrocities, imperialism information to neoliberalism or palestine is the center of, of a great imperial act. i've made 2 films called palestine is still issue 28 years apart. i may make another one. it will be called pella sign is still leave

true. because palestine, unless we understand the atrocity being imposed on palestine and the right of people to defend themselves, the right of people to resist against an external outside force, a force. but it becomes more extreme by the moment and i'm talking about israel. they will never understand how the world works has been a whole attempt to make hamas, the central issue of the reporting. and that's nonsense as if hamas has a peculiar demon. in fact, hum, hum, often it's military wing, a part of a resistance, a resistance, but was provoked by the israeli is the real team and this is his israel, but it's not simply israel. i mean, this is as much

a british and american war against palestine as it is. and israeli one, you know, just a few years ago, the chief of the defense staff in britain. so nick carter visited israel and between himself and the senior israeli strategist, they draw up, drew up basically a secret plan, a partnership by military partnership between israel and britain. in fact, it goes much deeper than that it's, it's just, it's an integration of the 2 military forces where you have israelis being trained in, in the ordinance design in britain ordinance design as bombs and british soldiers is being trained in, in with, with,

with units that have been, as is the idea, describe it as palestinian tested. so the, the, the integration of britain and especially the united states with, which gives israel $10000000.00 a day is, is complete. so it is in one sense, it's a british european american war against the people of palestine who are doing one thing. and that is refusing, exercising the moral and legal right to resist a brutal occupation. britain says it's a friend of israel, you know, the 2 sides ism that he's mandated under broadcasting restrictions as it were here. because obviously when you're talking about a drop it is, as we know, israel says the responsibility lies with hamas. it is using civilians as human

shields among journalists, schools, and homes. and they gave fair warning and dominant grab the foreign secretary here says the u. k. condemn mass attacks on civilians and reaffirms israel's right to self defense. well right, find i should, you had to say that, but there are not 2 sides. and actually the very notion of to size is obscene. it's like people looking up at a german bombs during the blitz since i got. but there's 2 sides here. you know, the, the, the, the palestinians have crewed rockets and when they're accused of indiscriminate chelly. yes. the rocker, so crude. but on the other hand, israel is doing discriminant targeting it's, it's, it's, it's the liberal li, attacking as a toys on civilian targets. and we have the spectacle, the other day of

a high rise building in which the, the, the media, almost all palestinian, certainly non western media. we, we have the spectacle of this building being blown up by the israelis with nonsensical story that it was harboring her mouth. it was and, and all those journals, there are witnesses for that. it's like the pbc report to germany po, and who talks about a war between israel and her mouth? bowen knows by wrong. it's an attack on unoccupied people by the occupier. israel backed by great powers. do you think least journalists, you mentioned jeremy bo in the middle east, editor of the state mandated b, b c, who had to apologize previous to being pro palestine in his reporting? do you think they understand that firing stung grenades into the alex, a mosque on the equivalent of christmas eve is like doing that to the vatican on

christmas eve. i mean, it was either it's a bit like that, bombing the vatican, or sending the soldiers into the vatican. what if they don't know, what are they doing out there? how many do you don't actually have to be in the holy land to understand that the provocation, the attack on palestinians and the, the attack on, on, on the holy a small skin, in, in, in israel, was entirely unprovoked. and the, the fact that, and hum off a worn israelis stop these attacks on people in jerusalem. stop them now or we will resist. and so they resisted as every people has a right to do. so. western media, you know where of a garza yes, there are a lot of palestinian journalists risking their lives. and muslim

journalists and arabic speaking journalists. but where all the high paid western journalists, it looks to me like a boy called of gaza. you think there was a time when journalists were tried, hard to get into guys are obviously the john, this is saying they don't explicit. he's a but it israel that actually prevents them and doesn't give them the positive. and i should say, israel obviously says there were rocks at alex moss, canada. israel says they give warnings whether that's disputed by some of the children who've seen that parents being killed. well, we know that israel is ally machine and it's been proven to be that. but i think we do have to understand the responsibility in britain. it had the responsibility of not only the president government, but the labor party is part of that having stomach labor party, which allowed pro israel groups to, to direct the policies of the labor party. but in effect,

support this they so time when you have the, the shadow foreign secretary saying that to criticize israeli atrocities is anti semitic than wherein, wherein louis carol well really the b, b, c, had a piece of to some of the atrocities in the past week thing, but why is it all these protest is when we saw that some of the largest projects in the world here in london, but i know they've been all around the world. why is it they don't protest about the syrian government or against the, according to western sources, genocide, committed by china. and we're going to talk about china and pot to what, why are these protest is about palestine at all? why don't they protest against benefee? why don't they protest to the phrase and government about the genocide against the indigenous people?

why don't they protest to the us government about the dozens of countries that is overthrown and about the, the, the great numbers of people but is, but is whose death is cause tennis dispossession. it does cause it's, it's, it's a banal argument. people are protesting about an atrocity that is going on before our eyes and we're allowed to see that atrocity because of some of the bravest jo, unless i know i know some of these people, photographers, cameraman, people who's building we saw a blow up in one of my films, the boy you don't see there is a rhythmic sequence in which and there's railey sniper guns down the palestinian camera man who's lying wounded on the ground. and then they continue to shoot as

his legs. he within so seriously wounded. he probably wouldn't walk again, but that's the kind of bravery. but these people in most the palestinians, i have to say mostly palestinians. the high paid bbc people and others are just not where. now. yes, it may be very difficult. the israelis who, who, who's domain they seem to cover very well, won't let them in. why don't they get in regardless they are in the tunnel is that they keep telling us about, from egypt. congresswoman to lay in the united states of palestinian extraction, arguably fell into a trap. trying to attack come us, but the alexandria cause you go. tears rising star, the democrat body said that apartheid states are not democracies. tony blinking,

someone who supported the destruction of it, ended up like that of africa's riches per capita company country. libya said, said he wasn't convinced about the a p. algebra rebuilding being full of a mass operatives. is it changing in the united states? if it's not changing in london, is that a change? i don't know if it's a change, you know, biden or no bama were in 2014, during the last israeli killing test on palestine. they were killing something like an average of 11 children a day and yet a bomber and body arrange the resupply of precision weapons to israel biden is now the president. i don't see the difference. the only difference, the only resistance is the resistance. that's what's different. the of in this

attack there is a real resistance and there is that should be matched by people going beyond the government, beyond the parliaments, and going into the streets. that's the only way, whether the whether or not that succeeds, i don't know. but there is no other way. you suggested a link between those pictures of, of atrocities coming from palestine and the british army. and the, and the british state has the israel, i know they've been accused of killing jonas in the past, borrowed from the nato playbook when it famously blew up belgrade tv, and you get sloppier in this destruction of the, the big tower and gaza housing, media organizations it's a lot more dangerous now when, when, when i was a war correspond, but in particularly in se, asia, because now your side that is the side representing the people whose

newspaper are broadcasting organizations sent. you are aiming for you, your target and but at the very least, these palestinian cameraman, photographers, and journalists, they are targets. but every, all journalists now targets go into a broad church in london, into the corner. the pays tribute to journalists who died in, in covering covering was and there they are. the names the names are listed in the last few years. but indicate the trend that the u. s. in particular, doesn't give a damn whether you are a journalist still, whether you have a line you're hanging around your neck that says journalist, you get shot. the israelis of course. no, no. you don't give a damn. they don't even consider it. you'll get short period. john,

i'll stop you there. more from john pills. you're off to the break when we discuss double standards from china to the torture of julie innocent. ah. ah, the ok. ah. oh, it will say on their showers,

sticking in. you've got global war because i cough countries are now competing to accumulate the most part of the game theory that's built into the incentive stack. that is the magic of bitcoin and was unpredictable. who exactly would take the 1st step and we had talked about possibly japan, possibly around. possibly russia turns out that nel, salvador is taking the 1st step toward a big point standard making bitcoin legal standard the welcome back to part 2 of us special interview with john. build your input when we talked about the atrocities taking place in garza, the country currently holding the presidency of the un security council is china, which failed to persuade joe biden to issue a resolution on the current slaughter. the people's republic demonized by nature was the subject of john pill, june 2016 film, the coming war on china. this is the distinguished historian. shouldn't theodore

h. white, an advisor to the white house around the wake of speaking in the 19 sixty's practice. china is too vast to be governed by mercy. yet if chinese mine craves order, they must be brought to recognise they are the biggest factor in the world disorder . and we must untangle the madness of their mind. the most difficult task in the world is to reach the minds of men who what white was really complaining about was the loss of a china that the imperial west could dominate a clip from john bilges, the coming war in china there is boris johnson deploys, britons h m, as elizabeth aircraft carrier to confront china. i'm still here with john pilcher, who joins me from sidney in australia. well, of israel is britain strategic, military partner. we are told in a to a nation media day after day that our enemies to our national security,

russia and china, china holding the rotating presidency of the un security council. you said the coming war on china. how have you noticed? the difference here is god's palestine with china, apparently trying to force the issue with a statement from the un security council. the court received against the wishes of the united states, the whole chair, the whole campaign against china and the campaign against palestine one and the same thing it is about control is about imperial power that a certain time in their history threatened they feel threatened. they're not actually threatened, they have threatened and i cannot make terms in the they may, there they are, economic prosperity is receding. but so

in order to correct this, they play me with the prospect of war. it's a terribly dangerous game. when i made becoming more against china and that was in 2016, i wrote that title almost has a provocation. if i was doing that, so now i would say it's a reality in a few short years. china from being in many sense, strategic ally of the west. certainly in the so called war against terrorism, it was and it's a relationship of trade and currencies. this was a peaceful, a peaceful relationship and a change with the so called private to asia. and what we have now is which is never

reported. and this is very important because it's basically a cy ops war, a propaganda war. there are 400 active basses surrounding china. ah, but us bases, they start here in australia with probably one of the most important pine gap, all the way out through the philippines, thailand, korea and japan. so that we have bases now which are primed for nuclear attack in okinawa and in korea pointed to china, something like 5 or 600 miles away. that's the kind of provocation that we're living with day by day. now, that's almost never news. that is the dangerous stage that we're even

leaving us in a stage when they call b mistake or accident. and it becomes a nuclear war. the try now doesn't, in military terms, china, it doesn't threaten anybody. it's made it. it's made it very clear that water is interested in, is business and trading in, in, in, in development, in, in making its own people prosperous in a way that they have never known you. when you're in china, you have a history of like a presence. the history of china right through the 19th century, as a colonial, impoverished servant of the west. they feel that they call it the, the century of humiliation that's over and to spin. and it's been, it's,

it's over in a very spectacular way because china has risen to the point where anything the west can do. it can do and often do it better. almost half of all the chinese coven vaccine is going to other countries that's indicative of china's development policies. this is, this is the beginning of a world based on develop next, not, not. you know, that doesn't mean to say that a great power itself doesn't have present difficulties for all of us, but the difficulties are much diminished if that great power is not a military aggressor. there's only one military aggressor in the world, and that is the us back by u k, back by its vessel state australia. and the reason for that

is that the u. s. has realized its losing its economic dominance. but what it does have or thinks it has is military dominance. it's a very dangerous time. well, you know the news here that we get. i mean human rights watch amnesty calling claims of human rights abuses engine. jang, true. we news every day about the the oppression of oligarchs actually and in hong kong, britain, upgrading is nuclear weapons and has sent a mess. elizabeth, it's the black sea protecting us from russia and it's headed for the south china sea. what do you think goes through the minds of the soldiers on board h m, as elizabeth, the 2nd ann boris johnson? here, when he sends our aircraft carrier, they're drawing a pandemic. well, they will have been told a story and they can hardly be blamed for what is going through their minds,

frankly, with an aircraft carrier that has cost billions and whose aircraft by courtesy of the united states and those aircraft don't work very well. anyway, it would be in a very black sense to be funny, if it wasn't so serious. there's no reason to confront china in the south china sea . most of the stories, adverbs in zang, about the way goes ah, out, now propaganda, without evidence, without the evidence. in fact, in certain, jang, there was a problem with the i think at the, the call, the east coast on freedom movement, which the us state department described as one of the most extreme terrorist organizations. so china had the terrorism problem in, in that province. whether whether or not china was be enabled and the secessionist

problem, the same that the soviet union has had, and many other countries have had but there is no evidence whatsoever that there is the kind of suffering that has worthy of the description, genocide, that term genocide i should remind you, came from the lips of mike pump, who described himself as a liar. and most of the so called evidence has come from a researcher now associated with the jamestown foundation in washington called adrian sans. if you look at all his so called documentation, it's documentation used by amnesty and many others. it's fraudulent. he denies that

. obviously we do invite him on the program and people can see our interview with a week counsel bus. and on the show and youtube channel, i mean, you mentioned earlier about these bases around china. i mean, obviously tracking trace of a cove. it is a problem here in britain. we don't seem to be able to track and trace corona, virus infection, but the, the seems to be a larger number of bases that tracking and tracing all her every moves. just tell me what pain gap is. what part, pine gap was set up by the c i a, in the near l. a. springs, it was set up in the late ninety's sixty's. for many years it was denied. the stranger in government denied that it was an american base. they described as a shared facility. it wasn't, i don't think it's the kind, it's a completely american run facility with astray and employers. but as the straighten

intelligence and us intelligence is completely integrated. that's not a problem. is it certainly one of the most important basis in the world and with snowdon in his released document showed it to be a base that spied right across asia. right across china. right across russia. a major spy operation, not a defensive operation. aspire operation. so at the moment it probably is the major spy base on, on, on china or, and while the other imagine the enemies of, of the united states. and it was, of course, julian assigned to help snowden avoid the clutches of the united states. perhaps

georgia, just very quickly what have you heard about what is happening in the garage case? biden doubling down, it seems on a 175 years for the world's most famous journalist. there was some wishful thinking for a while, but the buyer and administration may not carry on trumps pursuit of julianna songs. it is. and it's now heading for the high court in london, where it'll probably happen in, in the autumn pap september, october in which the high court will decide whether there is any credibility in the us, appealing against this decision to let trial in go my own senses and i feel slightly nervous about making this prediction if the children will be set free. i certainly hope so because he embodies,

he embodies the very resistance that we've been talking about in this program. it's the resistance of information, of transparency, of, of a whole moral purpose of resisting the forces of oppression. ah, julian himself and his case exemplifies lat. that's why what happens to him is so important to all of us. john bill jer, thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday after a bilateral meeting between us secretary of state towns and the blinking in russian foreign minister. such a lab rove until then if you're watching this online, get in touch my social media comment below on youtube to let us know if you think the so called mainstream media is fair when it comes to the issues discussed in this program.

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