sometimes you have to write the book on how to do process pieces, perform and artist time recognition for his extraordinary contribution to the happiness of millions, who've never heard of him. the whole gay community owes you it goes on your bravery and your courage. gay activists be detach, refuse to move on. we are not going to speak to have any you need me to punish. i thought i'm trying to shut off. this is no or i'd open. this is the most a smoked man in britain. in the early days, i thought it was a brave mother. when i tried to play by the rules, it hasn't worked. and now we're going to break the rules in the me that i thought sure. welcome back to the alex ivan show. great to join you. peter, the most hated man in brooklyn. but you know,

a national treasure and to follow my name flicks on the films coming in august. my goodness was happening to peter. have you gotten mainstreet? i haven't changed, but the consensus in society are shifted. and i'm so proud to be part of that movement will of course, many millions of other people. well, the films fascinate the i see the exclusive preview of it. but let's, let's help. and if you are somebody who is actually culture the most hated man, and let me say that the title hating peter actual came about because the director christ of amos, when he thought about making the film, was shocked by the scale of hate and vitriol against me. nowadays, i would say that public opinion has dramatically revised you of me in the life of my work, not just on l g, b plus right. but also on human rights in general. because i am a universal human rights campaign. and i stand to defend the human rights of

everyone. so let's go back to we have it all begun your life as a protest of campaign bye to your date of failure. your 1st real campaign was against vietnam, and that was the huge issue of the late sixties and early seventy's. so that would be right to say that you are a vietnam protest before you became a l g b t activist. well, that's right. i mean, in fact, my earliest awareness was around 963. when i was 11 years old and i heard about the bombing of a black church in birmingham, alabama, where 4 young girls about my own age were murdered by what races? i remember at 11 years of age thinking that was so so shocking and i didn't spied my interest in and support of the black civil rights movement led by doctor martin luther king. and ever since you still, his methods and model of activism has been my template. and so when it came to the

warm get nom, 7, i was in australia and said it was fine, long side, the american wasn't getting on. i research what the ball was about and concluded that it was a very unjust war. so i joined with others and many, many others to organize a huge mass protest in my home city of melbourne against the war. a 100000 people turned out to bring the city center to a standstill. that was almost 10 percent of the entire population. and it did mark the turning point when the state and government finally began to think about withdrawal. so i mean, most people over read about the anti war protests in america. how the impact on the american politics had the same sort of impact and the politics was failure. absolutely. i mean, in the $960.00 astray was gripped by its own version of mccarthyism an anti communist, which anybody with liberal opinion was labor the communist. i nearly lost my job

because i was seen as an anti vietnam war protests like to fight to the now to retain him. and that was very typical of the era. but the mass protest of that time to demand australian withdraw troops from vietnam that did really fundamentally change australian politics and led eventually to the election of golf with them government in the early 970 you arrived affectively as a refugee was see nice shows where you fleeing from the draft, or was it the repressive until homosexual legislation which could have senior jailed both. and it wasn't just the anti gay laws that existed in the street at the time, but also other very liberal laws, the death penalty, the censorship of books and plays ban on abortion, a woman's right to choose a whole host of very illiberal measures were in place but of course, the get no more and my willingness to be drafted for that was because i had

a conscious objection. that was the driving force that led me to come to britain. and i intended to stay only briefly, but the permanent stay permanent. stay here and you arrived in a huddle. wilson had plenty sensibly kept out of the the vietnam war. but nonetheless, it was still repressive legislation against sexual fact. you're coming out at the age where it would have been illegal heal at that time as well. well, i rived in london in 971 age 19. and although there had been a partial, the criminalization of male homosexuality in england and wales in 967, still many aspects of game male life remained criminalized and in fact were not fully repealed. until 2003, and you say you see male life because of lesbianism was it was not what i say, a legal correct. and that's right. yes. there was never any legal legal law

again, sex between men that they said because crit, victoria couldn't come to the 5 to any such thing could possibly have gone on. well, that's the allegation. perhaps the apocryphal story you arrived in a society which was changing and certainly give a sec, timothy was changing fast and the 1970. so you so you arrived in a flushing game movement that get paid months was lasting. key organizations were starting up as well, so that was a good environment to come to as a gay rights activist. well, yes, it was incredibly exciting to arrive in london from melbourne, australia where there were no eligibility plus organizations and wellness actually was still a criminal offense. punishable by several years, imprisonment in all circumstances coming to britain with the partial, the criminalization homosexuality and the formation of the get abrasion front was incredibly exciting. personal liberation to be able to join with other l g d plus

people and fight. right? that was a nominal, very exciting moment. what perhaps did distinguish you from, from other campaigns as you also chose to, to promote your activism for conventional politics to the labor party. and famously became the labor candidate and what has been described as the ductless bi election of the 20th century and has been blankenship duct, the bi election. so balance in 983 doesn't live up to that title, was it? the duct, the bi election has, well, a lot of commentators at the time said it was the dirtiest most violent and definitely most homophobic election in britain. so that, that's sort of where with pride. but it was very, very tough. and of course i wasn't just standing for l g b plus right? i was standing for everybody's right for social justice for

a fair or more equitable society for everyone. but when they able to get you, because you will get to us, so to get you because you were a read, peter and the gay gay a time was just that convenient mean means of settling hush. while i was targeted on 3 front, i was targeted because i was born in australia, even though i can trace my family back to england in 1560 in somerset i was attacked because i, yes i was a left wing campaigner. but indeed, all the extreme policies that i had a now main street, you know, argued for a national minimum wage. i was told that was extremely, i argued for negotiated settlement in northern ireland. that's now happened. i argued for a comprehensive equality act to protect everyone against discrimination that is now the role of the land. so you know, what i stood for then is now the mainstream. and i'm so proud that you know,

i began the process would help make that happen. because you want to focus, but for a number of competing interests to get, you know, is the right way the labor part. indeed the bi election was really set up. so you could be targeted by the resignation of the incumbent, m, p, the liberal party. we're, we're waiting to, to some, the bi election, the little s d p alliance as the, as the well them the real bad and the labor will the st manifestations of ra prejudice and the mainstream media. of course, perhaps not emphasizing that, the homosexuality going for the extremist, the red tagged out. so it's you up so you became the focal point in the target for a number of competing forces united only in desperation to get you. would that be a fair summary? why didn't you get me there out to get the labor party and they succeeded because i lost that election. but i'm very proud that i stood on comprehensive l g

b t plus right platform with policies that are now the law of the land. i was ahead of my time, i think also that it needs to be said that, that bi election because of the way i was treated by the tabloid press and by the rival, because of the home, by the way i was treated that made it much easier for other people like chris smith, the labor and pay to come out the following year. i think there was such a revulsion against the way i was treated. no one dared to heap that upon anybody else. so i made it easier for other than that. that's a great positive thing and i of course became a national figure as a result of defeats. i mean the name be the factual. i didn't was no residents beyond sammons as a result of the nature of that violation. how comfortable was that laid for you know, the man who lost bam and say, or was it the, the past and who was done don't and lot of people rallied to your support because i

feel really sad that i last election not so much for me, but for the labor party and party members who put their trust in me. but on the other hand, i think out of that defeat, and i've thought to use my public profile most a whole range of human rights issues from free speech civil liberties to employment rights, to the rights of women, black and minority people. i've tried to use the platform for good for you to your campaign in essence, domestically i with conventional politics i did and so nationally, and that's what we're going to talk to. and the 2nd half of this exclusive into the ah news

. the news while we were saying on the show was picking and you've got global hash wor, cuz i called countries are now competing to accumulate the most part of the game theory that's built into the incentive stack. that is the magic of bitcoin and was unpredictable who exactly would take the 1st step and we had talked about possibly japan, possibly around. possibly. russia turns out that nel, salvador is taking the 1st step toward a big point standard making bitcoin legal standard. welcome back. alex has intervene, controversial human rights campaign of peter tactual about to 50 years of activism,

which 1st affronted and then compelled the case of media and public like me, frank, i don't think peter was always helping any in the church for 2000 years. the same with a consent for moral and we're going to burn in hell. the entrepreneur canterbury was interrupted today by a gay rights protest to carry, oppose a lead, engage him and ride. he's a bullying kind of trump trying to get his own way. oh man, i don't care about the man real man can talk with you. i got you. what keeps me going is the knowledge that the homophobes who are against me want me to give that pin a thought show you had a couple of goals that well, it's called conventional party politics and elections. but the basically said in the 1080 issue, you're real campaigning f up. so be then,

and why does mobilize asian way to campaigns, domestically and internationally looking by of these, which will show you was proud of me, have done so many, but which one do you say, right? i'm really glad i did that. well i'm, i'm pretty proud that i stays the 1st of a l g, b, d plus protest in a communist country in east berlin in 973. i was interrogated and arrested by the stars. but through that protest, help take the ideas again, abrasion to the soviet block. and when i was there, i distributed thousands of secret underground leaflets, circulating the years afterward, the day's work. yeah. and it helped trigger the formation of some of the early underground l g b t plus movement in countries like east germany, czechoslovakia, hungry and so on. so i'm proud of that. i'm very proud of the 2 attempted citizens . the rest are president problem regardless, and bobby on charge of the torture. although i did not succeed the publicity about

those attempt, help shine a spotlight on the human rights abuses that he was inflicting on his own people. well, let's talk about the night tonight tonight. them, so that was that said, a london hotel described the sucking sciences. what you saw waiting in the for you to, to post. and then how did you go about that? i got an almost tip off that present. gobby was staying at a hotel near victoria station. so together with 3 other activists, i lay in wait outside, so tell. and when he limousine drove out, we ran in front of it, forcing it to stop. and then i opened the re a car door and placed him under arrest. we then called the police and even though we showed the legal papers for his lawful arrest on the british and international law, we were arrested and he was given a police escort to go christmas shopping at harris. and how did president gob taylor? the thought was black and he would have been likes to some the opening is carved.

oh, do you think he was going to get shot? you should have seen the look on his face. his jaw dropped, his mouth opened, his eyes popped. i think he thought he was going to be killed, even though i held out both hands to show that i didn't have a weapon of the 2nd time you tried to arrest them in brussels. i mean was a case of all noise. hem again what. what then, the 2nd time when i tried to arrest him in the lobby of the hilton hotel in brussel, initially he and his body, god thought, well, we should come up to congratulate him. i got right close. but as soon as i said he was under arrest, i was beaten up and eventually beaten unconscious by 40 god, was robert mc gabby as surprised as specific connie was to, to see you entering his pulpit behind the case of george kerry on easter sunday, myself and other members of outrage, we had tried to get a meeting with the archbishop for 8 years. he wouldn't meet us with anybody from

the eligibility block community. so we thought we have to go to the cathedral and we're better than on easter sunday when the event is televised around the world to challenge him. and so that's why we walked into the pulpit and we simply called him out over his support for legal discrimination against l. g b plus people. he was not just saying homosexuality was wrong and since he was saying the law of the land discriminate against um, did you get prosecuted under canon law? no, i was prosecuted under the ecclesiastical court jurisdiction act of 18. 60, formerly part of the brawling act of $5051.00, which makes it illegal to interrupt a minister of religion in a place of worship. i could have got fined 5000 pounds and sent to prison for 6 months. but the magistrate accepted the protest with brief, peaceful and respectful, and therefore he find me the princely sum of 18 pounds. 60. and what are you bound

over? no, not bound over. infested. didn't the reaction of the congregation because it was great. hostile it's a christian call, negation of aspects to the fault, perhaps your christ in the temple or somebody might come to mind that people can be unpopular for making a protest at a particular time. and then right the spectrum history judges that definitely but but congregation. well, having another fit well, they were clapping to get you out a lot of them, but correctly. but of course, we did not interrupt any of the sacred parts of the service. we waited until dr. kerry sermon and i would say it was justified on the grounds that what is more important the decorum of a church service or the human rights of people. and i would put human rights 1st. as we all know, jesus overturned tables in the temple. i'm no jesus,

but certainly i think direct action, peaceful, non violence is justified to defend human rights, even in a church. looking back over that law p to fight to be there's some back, controversial things you've been engaged the lot because the subjects themselves are controversial. many if you have use, as we said mainstream. no, but the, the decision you made and others to people who were closet homosexuals, that caused a lot of angst with in the gay community looking back because i need a grant saying, oh do you think that was the right course as well? well the way we saw it was that our thing was korea self defense. we were defending our community against people who were colluding with a homophobic church and were being hypocritical. you know, they were saying or supporting one thing in public, but doing something different in private and that's poxy. it's double standard. and we believe it was right to cold the mouth. the consequences of balancing were very,

it is. none of those bishop ever again said anything as far as i'm aware against the l g. b plus community. and 2 of them, a venture became allies and supported. you've had a consistent light in defense of free speech and not as brought you under attack from, from some transact of as, for example, when you've defended the right of traditional feminist. to argue for single sex spaces or the nature of the debate. with that type of debate effect, you were almost with in the summer than cabinal debate within the the gay community . i can understand why trans people angry and i support them. you know? but i think the best way to defeat transfer via is not by band or no platform, because that doesn't make the ideas go away. the best way is to challenge those people to put out rival speakers, to organize, protest outside their events,

to show why they're wrong. it's not just no platforming. does that mean? much them to who questions the total acceptance of self identification from institutional feminist viewpoint is suddenly labeled to transform button on the social media. your life prime as an active us, you have half century and more of spine, the period from traditional state protests to the suck, elated pamphlets. so these germany and i went to the, the social media age. see to confirm that if somebody doesn't agree with you, then automatically there are a transform should be no platform to should be site. it was funny. how much does that cost you as somebody who's stood up for free speech? i do get a lot of stick from people who side on, on. it's about a difference of tactics, not about principles or goals. and it is very hurtful and i do get a lot of hate mail from people who i thought, well, my allies and supporters. but on the other hand, i also got log support. and for me,

the important thing which my mother taught me is i must stand up for what i leave to be right. i could be wrong, i accept that. but i am doing what i believe to be right on following my conscience . and that's all i think anybody can be expected to do that for the big fellow coming up. give me your rally, some impressive cast list to your support. so you mckaylin was doing the interview . stephen fry speaking elton john as the executive producer. i mean, these are huge names. gratifying is it to, to see that sort of caster rallying to, to your site does look over the lifetime of protest. what is gratifying to think that i've gone from the margins of the mainstream. it's great that you know, well non public figures understand that support my work. but of course the most important thing is the average person. and that's why i want them to see the film. their support is the most important to me. a couple more questions when live the

prospect of you becoming mainstream of the views you pioneer personal costs back in the 198th is now becoming generally accepted. it's not what are you in this you'll, this stablish will say, well that be a part. so he's already here to be fine. we'll, we'll have them off demonstrate against place to, to turn or something, some national protest. it is all right here. no, because they can accommodate his views of any sort of niggling. what are you for you right or wrong? i'm staying through my principle and i'm still on the cutting edge on so many issues. you know, we all expect political democracy. i'm asking, why can't we have economic democracy to? why can't we have employee and consumer representative on the board, the private companies and public institutions like the unit check. those people have knowledge and skills that could help make those institutions operate more effectively. it is also simply an issue of democracy and fantasy. a people looking

back goodness, i mean, you'll hear what the federal campaign of bachelor and human rights activists of the 1st 3 years of, of protest. do you think my goodness, has it been half essentially, and more audio like, what's the next camp in a fight? what's the next mountain declined by this bit of tactful survey? the presidency. i don't look back much, although the spilled hazy piece that she has forced me to do so. but i'm always looking forward boy, whereas the next back. what's the next justice issue defies. and when so, you know, i'm ready for another 26 years. i'm 69 now. i'm looking forward to talking about 95. that case, peter will be sure to have you back in the show to tell us how you're getting on. that would be great. and in the meantime, i hope everyone will remember, don't accept the will as it is dream of what the world could be and then help make

it happen. a great way to finish. that is something it is this table about peach attach a style of campaigning. uniquely his manners to combine and read the things in a simple and courteous manner. there is no doubt that his actions have been designed to be deliberately provocative. there's no more sensitive pain for english christians than eastern mass service in con to be cathedral, russia jane, the welcome of 2018 would not wish to focus on writing checks while peasant gabby does not expect to be the subject of a citizen, the rest. getting his christmas shopping in london. however, part of the art of protest does depend on targeting the moment, which are most precious to, to put in to publicize your message, and therefore detracting from this. this also explains why, despite his mouth manner peter title has always provoked strong even violent reaction. above all, to peter tactual story, underlines

a crucial importance of stamina. it political campaigning from being the most bodily cheated candidates in violet and history. to his accolades, as the most hated man in betton, he knows to be the political landscape where many of his views are guided as mainstream. even conventional weather this restless campaigners altogether comfortable with that new acceptance still remains to be seen. it would not be surprising if the mainstream media had to dust diner. i made headlines about peter tycho once again that for life and myself, alex and all this will stay safe. i hope to see you all again next. ah, me

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out the thing because the after kid and engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in this is your media. a reflection of reality. the in a world transformed what will make you feel safer. type relation, community. are you going the right way or are you being somewhere direct? what is truth? what is in a world corrupted,

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