and you find national treasure with his he's nobody to lead means team. alex introduce piece of title about his career and puts out to them before the launch of a new film, which tells a story of his lifetime of human rights campaigns. but 1st, to teach, you know, if a message is in this point structure last week, when we speak to legendary footballer onto what can on the england scotland game, wembley also spoke with lou walker. if you'll, my dickie john barnes, my goldfish, i'm now showing says this is a very interesting story. this is a course onto watson story. i've never heard of it before. yvette says just shows you how history has been censored. can't trust anything. gordon says, what is your previous program or non g watson? totally fascinating. i don't. i don't know on last history. he said, great pro great backdrops, colorful muffler to that. of course there's my scotland scarf. and finally, don says, really into bedded revealing, i'm not usual humor,

mixed it now when the full features fit ian mckellen and stephen fry and both l from john and david furnish exec to produce it, you might expect people to sit up and take notice. however, this is no ordinary film. hating pizza tactual, which marks a dyadic total deep you of christopher in this is a don't commentary feature relating the remarkable campaigning life of controversial good rights activists, pizza tac toe. let's take a look at a clip. the pigs, but i think i protested today before being arrested by the being target volunteer come to the territory gentlemen. patients, i don't know like the

chris stating for homeless action when people empower won't show compassion. sometimes you have to up the ante rights to book on how to do protest pieces perform satisfied the recognition from his extraordinary contribution to the happiness of millions. you've never heard of him . the whole gay community owes you it goes on your bravery and your courage. gay activists be to touch or refuse to move on the way. we are not to speak to have any you need me to finish up. this is no. this is the most smoked man in britain from the early days of food. he was a brave mother. we've tried to play by the rules. it hasn't worked. now we're going to break the rules in the me thought. so welcome back to the alex ivan show. great

to join you. peter. the most hated man in brooklyn. but an actual treasure to follow more. you know, netflix, i'm the films coming in august. my goodness was happening at the peter gordon. main street. i haven't changed, but the consensus in society shifted, and i'm so proud to be part of that movement will of course, many millions of other people. well, the films fascinating. i see the exclusive preview of it. but let's, let's help the, the us, who was actually culture the most hated man in britain. let me say that the title hating peter actual came about because the director, christ of amos. when he thought about making the film was shocked by the scale of hate and vitriol against me. nowadays, i would say that public opinion has dramatically revised you of me in the life of my work. not just on l g, b plus right. but also in human rights in general,

because i am a universal human rights campaigner and i stand to defend the human rights of everyone. so let's go back to where it all began your life as a protest of campaign bye to your date of failure. your 1st real campaign male is against vietnam and that was the huge issue of the late sixties and early seventies . so that would be right to say that you have yet non protest before you became a l g b t. well, that's right. i mean, in fact, my earliest awareness was around 963. when i was 11 years old and i heard about the bombing of a black church in birmingham, alabama, where 4 young girls about my own age were murdered by white races. i remember 11 years of age thinking that was so so shocking and i didn't spied my interest in and support of the black civil rights movement led by doctor martin luther king. and ever since still,

methods and model of activism has been my template. and so when it came to the warm get nom 7, i was in australia with long side, the american, we're in vietnam. i researched what the ball was about and concluded that it was a very unjust war. so i joined with others and many, many others to organize a huge mass protest in my home city of melbourne against the war. a 100000 people turned out to bring the city center to a standstill. that was almost 10 percent of the entire population. and it did mark the turning point when the trade and government finally began to think about withdrawal. so, i mean, most people over read about the anti war protests in america. how the impact on the american politics had the same sort of impact. and the politics was failure. absolutely, i mean, in the $960.00 australia with brit by its own version of mccarthyism,

an anti communist, which almost anybody with liberal opinion was labor the communist. i nearly lost my job because i was seen as an antibiotic war protest my to fight to the now to retain it. and that was very typical of the era. but the mass protest of that time to demand australian withdraw troops from vietnam. that did really fundamentally change australian politics and led eventually to the election of golf with them government in the early 970 you arrived affectively as a refugee was see. nice shows where you're fleeing from the draft or was it the repressive? i'm to hold the sexual legislation which could have senior jailed both and it wasn't just the anti gay laws that existed in the street at the time, but also other very liberal laws, the death penalty, the censorship of books and plays ban on abortion. a woman's right to choose a whole host of very liberal measures were in place. but of course,

the vietnam war and my willingness to be drafted for that war because i had a conscious objection that was the driving force that led me to come to britain. and i intended to stay only briefly, but the permanent stay permanent. stay here and you arrived in a breton huddle. wilson had plenty sensibly kept out of the the vietnam war. but nonetheless, it was still repressive legislation against sexual fact. you're coming out at the age where would have been illegal heal at that time as well. but i arrived in london in 971 age 19. and although there had been a partial criminalization of male homosexuality in england and wales in 967, still many aspects of game male life remained criminalized and in fact were not fully repealed until 2003. and you say you see male life because of lesbianism was

it was not right, they are legal. correct. and that's right. yes. there was never any legal, legal law against sex between mom and they said, because could victoria have couldn't counter this a 5 to any such thing could possibly have gone on? well, that's the allegation. hookups. the apocryphal story you arrived in a society which was changing and certainly give a sec, timothy was changing fast and the 1970. so. so you arrived in a flourishing game movement that gave paid months use was lasting, key organizations were starting up as well. so that was a good environment to come to as a gay rights activist. well yes, it was incredibly exciting to arrive in london from melbourne, australia, where there were no l. g b, t plus organizations and wellness actually already was still a criminal offense punishable by several years imprisonment in all circumstances. coming to britain with the partial,

the criminalization homosexuality and the formation of the get abrasion from was an incredibly exciting personal liberation to be able to join with other l. g video people and fight. right. that was phenomenal. very exciting moment. what perhaps did distinguish you from, from other campaigns, as you also chose to, to promote your activism for conventional politics, for the labor profit. and famously became the labor candidate and what has been described as the duct, the bi election of the 20th century. and i've been waiting for the bi election, so balance in 1983 doesn't live up to that title, was it the duct, the bi election has? well, a lot of commentators at the time said it was the dirtiest most violent and definitely most homophobic election in britain. so that's, that's sort of where with pride. but it was very, very tough. and of course i wasn't just standing for l g b plus right?

i was standing for everybody's right for social justice for a fair or more equitable society for everyone. but when they get you, because you will get to us to get you because you were a read, peter and the gay gay attack was just that convenient me means of settling hush. while i was targeted on 3 front, i was targeted because i was born in australia, even though i can trace my family back to england in 1560 in somerset i was attacked because i, yes i was a left wing campaigner. but indeed, all the extremist policies that i had a now mainstream argued for a national minimum wage. i was told that was extremely, i argued for negotiated settlement in northern ireland. that's now happened. i argued for a comprehensive because the act to protect everyone against discrimination that is

now the law of the land. so you know what i stood for then is now the mainstream. and i'm so proud that you know, i began the process which helped make that happen because you want to focal point for a number of competing interests. so to get you, i mean there was no right where the labor party did the bi election was really say top. so you could be targeted by the resignation of the incumbent, m, p, the liberal party. we're, we're waiting to do some the bi election, the liberal s d p alliance as the, as the well them the real bad and the labor will the st manifestations of ra prejudice and the mainstream media. of course, perhaps not emphasizing the homosexuality, but going for the extremist, the red tagged out. so you up so you became the focal point in the target for a number of competing forces united only in desperation to get you. would that be a fair summary? why don't you go out, get me there out to get the labor party and basic seated because i lost that

election. but i'm very proud that i stood on comprehensive l g b t plus right platform with policies that are now the law of the land. i was ahead of my time, i think also that it needs to be said that, that bi election because of the way i was treated by the tabloid press and by the rival, because of the home, by the way i was treated that made it much easier for other people like chris smith, the labor and pay to come out the following year. i think there was such a revulsion against the way i was treated. no one dared to heap that upon anybody else. so i made it easier for other than that. that's a great positive thing and of course became a national figure as a result of that defeats, i mean the name to the statute. i didn't was no residence beyond batman's as a result of the nature of violation. how comfortable was that laid for you?

the man who lost bam and say all was the past and who was done don't and lot of people rallied to your support because i feel really sad that i lost that election . not so much for me, but for the labor party. and they've 40 members put their trust in me. but on the other hand, i think out of that defeat, i've thought to use my public profile to promote a whole range of human rights issues from free speech, civil liberties, to employment rights, to the rights of women, black connected, minority people. i've tried to use the platform for good for you to your campaigning efforts domestically with conventional politics i did. and so nationally, and that's what we're going to talk to in the 2nd half of this exclusive into russia, china relation just strong and getting deeper. we are told this is dangerous for the washington lead world. is it? why are moscow in beijing moving closer together?

is a miscalculations of the washington consensus? have anything to do with it? is that china, russia, a liar made in america? doing this breathing technique. i'm done, take it in here, and i don't know where it goes out, live to, to bring that into the range . they were just dime a field trip tomorrow. d green, a vision. she me welcome back. alex is intervene, controversial human rights campaign of peter tac. toe about his 50 years of

activism, which 1st affronted and then compelled the case of media and public me. i don't think peter was always helping the church for 2000 years. everything with the consent for moral and we're going to burn in hell. the entrepreneur canterbury was interrupted today by a gay rights protest to carry, oppose a lead. engage him and right. he's a bullying kind of trump trying to get his own way. i don't care about the guy, man, real man can type up the guy. what keeps me going is the knowledge that the homophobes who are against me want me to give you a couple of goals that well, it's called conventional pop the politics and elections, but the basically 7, the 1980 sure. you're real campaigning f up. so be then, and why does mobilize ation weight of campaigns domestically and internationally

looking by of these, which will show you was proud of me, have done so many, but which one do you say, right? i'm really glad that the well i'm, i'm pretty proud that i stays the 1st of a l g b, d plus protest in a communist country in east berlin in 1973. i was interrogated and arrested by the starchy. but through that protest, help take the ideas again, abrasion to the soviet block, and when i was there, i distributed thousands of secret underground leaflets. luckily for years afterwards, that is the right word. yeah. and it helped trigger the formation of some of the early underground l g b t plus movement in countries like if germany czechoslovakia, hungry and so on. so i'm out of that. i'm very proud of the 2 attempted citizens, the rest, the president problem, regardless and bobby on charge of the torture. although i did not succeed the

publicity about those attempt help shine a spotlight on the human rights abuses that he was inflicting on his own people. well, let's talk about the night tonight tonight. them. so that was that said a london hotel would describe the sucking sciences. what you saw waiting in the for you to, to post and how did you go about that? i got an almost tip off that present gobby was staying at a hotel near victoria station. so together were 3 other activists. i lay in wait outside, he so tell. and when he limousine drove out, we ran in front of it, forcing it to stop. and then i opened the record door and placed him under arrest. we then called the police, and even though we showed the legal papers for his lawful arrest on the british and international law, we were arrested. and he was given a police escort to go christmas shopping at howard. and how the president got to take. the thought was black and he would have been likes to some the opening is cause of the to thank you is going to get shot. you should have seen

a look on his face. his jaw dropped, his mouth opened, his eyes popped. i think he thought he was going to be killed, even though i held out both hands to show that i didn't have a weapon. at the 2nd time you tried to arrest them in brussels. i mean, was that case of all? no, it's hem again. what, what then the 2nd time when i tried to arrest him in the lobby of the hilton hotel in brussel, initially he and his party, god thought i was a well wish coming up to congratulate him. i got right close, but as soon as i said he was under arrest, i was beaten up and eventually beaten unconscious by 40 god. what is robert? my god, be a surprise those bishop connie was to, to see you entering his pulpit. the case of george kerry on easter sunday myself and all the members of outrage. we had tried to get a meeting with the archbishop for 8 years. he wouldn't meet us with anybody from the eligibility community. so we thought we have to go to the cathedral and we're

better than on easter sunday when the event is televised around the world to challenge him to get. and so that's free. there. we walked into the pulpit and we simply called him out over his support for legal discrimination against l. d, because people, he was not just saying homosexuality was wrong. and since he was saying the law of the land, you discriminate against, did you get prosecuted under canon law? no, i was prosecuted under the ecclesiastical court jurisdiction act of 18. 60 formerly part of the brawling at to $5051.00, which makes it illegal to interrupt a minister of religion in a place of worship. i could have got fined 5000 pounds and sent to prison for 6 months. but the magistrate accepted that the protest with re peaceful and respectful, and therefore he find me the prince, the sum of 18 pounds, 60 and what you're bound over. no, not bound over infested,

didn't the reaction of the congregation because it was great. hostile it's a christian call, negation of aspects to the fault, perhaps your christ in the temple, somebody might come to mind that people can be unpopular for making a protest at a particular time. and then right the spectrum history judges that definitely but but congregation. well, having another fit well, they were clapping to get you out flat a member correctly. but of course we did not interrupt any of the sacred parts of the service. we waited until dr. kerry sermon and i would say it was justified on the grounds that what is more important the decorum of a church service or the human rights of people. and i would put human rights 1st. as we all know, jesus overturned tables in the temple. i'm no jesus, but certainly i think direct action, peaceful on violence,

is justified to defend human rights, even in a church. looking back over that law p to fight to be there's some, some back controversial things you've been engaged the lot because the subjects themselves are controversial. many if you have use, as we said mainstream. no, but the, the decision you made and others to people who were closet homosexuals, that cause a lot of angst with in the gay community. i mean, looking back because i need a grant saying, oh do you think that was the right course as well? well the way we saw it was that our thing was korea self defense. we were defending our community against people who were colluding with a homophobic church and were being hypocritical. you know, they were saying or supporting one thing in public, but doing something different in private. and that's your proxy. it's double standard and we believe it was right to call the mouth. the consequences of

balancing were very, it is. none of those bishop ever again said anything as far as i'm aware against the l g. b plus community. and 2 of them eventually became allies and supported. you've had a consistent light in defense of free speech and not as brought you under attack from, from some trans activists. for example, when you've defended the right of traditional feminist to argue for single sex spaces or the nature of the debate. with that type of debate effect, you will almost live in the capital debate within the gay community. i can understand why trends people angry and i support them, you know. but i think the best way to defeat transfer via is not by bands or no platforms. because that doesn't make the ideas go away. the best way is to challenge those people to put out rival speakers to organized, protest outside their events, to show why they're wrong. it's not just no platforming. does that mean much the em

to who questions? total acceptance of self identification from instructional feminist viewpoint is suddenly labeled to transform. but on the social media, mo, your lifetime is an active shift half century and more of spine, the period from traditional state protests to the suck, elated pamphlets of east germany. and i went to the, the social media age. see to confirm that if somebody doesn't agree with you, then automatically there are a transformer should be no platform to should be cited was telling you how much does that cost you a, somebody who's stood up for free speech. i do get a lot of stick from people who side on on. it's about a difference of tactics, not about principles or goals. and it is very hurtful. mean i do get a lot of hate mail from people who i thought, well, my allies and supporters, but on the other hand, i also got log support. and for me, the important thing which my mother taught me is i must stand up for what i believe

to be right. i could be wrong, i accept that. but i am doing what i believe to be right on following my conscience . and that's all i think anybody can be expected to do that for the big fellow coming up. give me your rally, some impressive cast list to your support. so you mckellen was doing the interview . stephen fry speaking elton john as the executive producer. i mean this a huge names. i gratifying is it to, to see that sort of caster rallying to, to your site does look over the lifetime of protest. what is gratifying to think that i've gone from the margins of the mainstream. it's great that you know, building on public figures understand the port my work. but of course the most important thing is the average person. and that's why i want them to see the film. their support is the most important to me. a couple more questions with live, the aspect of you becoming mainstream of the views you pioneer. personal costs back

in the 1908th is now becoming generally accepted. it's not what are you in this? you'll, this stablish will say, well that be a part. so he's already here to be fine. we'll have them off demonstrate against place to, to turn on some international protest. it is all right here. no, because we can accommodate his views of any sort of niggling. what are you for you and not right or wrong? i'm staying through my principle and i'm still on the cutting edge on so many issues. you know, we all expect political democracy. i'm asking, why can't we have economic democracy to? why can't we have employee and consumer representative on the board, the private companies and public institutions like unit chat. those people have knowledge and skills that could help make those institutions operate more effectively. it is also simply an issue of democracy and fantasy. a people looking back goodness, i mean, you'll hear the,

what's the federal campaign of virtual and human rights activists of the 1st 3 years of, of protest. do you think my goodness, has it been half essentially, and more audio like, what's the next camp in a fight? what's the next mountain? quite a bit of tactful survey. the presidency. i don't look back much, although this bill have few pieces that she has for me to do so. but i'm always looking forward boy. whereas the next battle, what's the next justice issue defies. and when so you know, i'm ready for another 26 years. i'm 69 now. i'm looking forward to talking about 95. that case, peter will be sure to have your back in the show to tell us how you're getting on. that would be great. and in the meantime, i hope everyone will remember. don't accept the world as it is. dream of what the world could be and then help make it happen. a great way to finish. that is

something it is a stable about pizza, tactual style of campaigning, uniquely his mom is to combine. think i read the things in a civil and courteous manner. that is no doubt that his actions have been designed to be deliberately provocative. there's no more sensitive time for english christians than eastern mast service and come to be cathedral russia jane. the welcome of 2013 would not wish to focus on writing checks while peasant, regardless, he did not expect to be the subject of a citizen's arrest. getting his christmas shopping in london. however, part of the archer protest does depend on targeting the moment which are most precious due to points to publicize your message, and therefore, detracting from this. the thought explains why, despite his mild manner, peter title has always provoked strong. even violent reaction above all to peter tactual story, underlines a crucial importance of stamina and political campaigning. from being the most

badly treated candidates in violet and history. to his accolades, as the most hated man in person, he knows to be the political landscape where many of his views have guided as mainstream. even conventional. whether this restless campaigners altogether comfortable with that new acceptance still remains to be seen. it would not be surprising if the mainstream media had to dust diner. i think headlines about peter talked to once again that for life and myself, alex and all this, you'll stay safe. i hope to see you all again next. ah, me soon the

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