and i'll be speaking to guess on the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me. ah sure i'm not. no man in above the law, what we see on most tv shows is not reality or just the system isn't what you think it is. rolling stone magazine considers wayne kramer of the m. c. 51 of the top 100 greatest guitarist of all time. he battled drug addiction in 1975, went to prison for 2 years for selling cocaine. he said provided guitars and taught music to inmates at over 50 correctional institutions throughout the united states . people think that, you know, you have a right to a trial and everybody goes to trial and there's the good prosecutor and the defense

attorney and they battle it out. that is the way it works. the way it works is the prosecutor stack up the charges on you and force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge to keep from doing life or double life or triple life. people don't get trials. what they get is a deal. people suggest that anywhere between, you know, 3 or 10 and 15 percent people behind bars could be innocent of the crime which they were charged. michelle alexander is a civil rights lawyer. stanford law professor and the author of the new jim crow, one of the most highly acclaimed american criminal justice system. the reality is that thousands of people, every year in the united states, wind up pleading guilty to crimes. they may not have committed because they're either railroaded by police officers who get them false information or course

confessions or because they are afraid of facing harsh mandatory minimum sentences and believes that you know, the best chance to just take a pleat every. yeah. you don't know anything about the president, the politics in county jail, you don't know anything. so they put you there with these people. and this is how they force you to take deals. do you just system is like any justice system in the world? a system where 95 percent of the cases are resolved by plea bargain. it's no longer a trial system. it's a plea bargain system. the whole purpose of plea bargains from the perspective of a prosecutor raises his conviction. right? so prosecutors typically have in the high 90 percentile conviction rates, including those plea bargains. because of course, from a legal standpoint, we know that nobody would ever plead guilty to something they didn't do. and so we agreed that i would plead guilty and exchange for youth authority. and we went back

in the trial. we entered the plea and i went down for a 90 day observation at youth authority, in norwalk challenges. if you're innocent and you plead guilty, you better be a good liar. you go down there, you talk to psychologists and they ask you said you do it? well, you have to say yes because it has to be consistent with everything. well, how did you do it? i mean, i didn't have adequate answers for these questions, so they didn't, they didn't buy it in a sense, you know, rightly so. and they sent a report that was just positive, a negative report back to the judge. he said, i didn't realize that you thought he wouldn't be able to help you. and so i'll allow you to take back your guilty plea and go have a trial oral sentence, you to state prison right now. so that began another period waiting. it would be well over a year before bruce would get another trial date, 23 hours a day at a cell in isolation. no contact with other juveniles only counselors,

one hour out for recreation. and while they might not be able to introduce an alternate suspect boost demanded, his lawyer knocked down every argument. the prosecution could make. the prosecutor said bruce could not seen his mother's body to the back window of the house. the sun reflection in the glass and the furniture would have blocked his view. his defense was the crime scene. pictures were taken on a much funnier day. the prosecution claimed all the bloody footprints in the house matched bruce's shoes. bruce's defense i think appends were not found anywhere in the crime scene. there was no evidence has wiped anything down or made any attempt to cover his tracks because bruce had nothing to hide. the prosecution called robert hughes proclaimed bruce confessed in the 7000 module of county jail and the defense compared robert hughes too. he used car salesmen who wasn't to be trusted. and one day they wrap their keys on the door. a list for the verdict and my dad was

there. he was there just every court day and he was right there in the front row and we were just, you know, i contact but she can't really talk because you're not allowed to, it's not a visit. you know, you're not allowed to visit with you but he was, he was there and the jury comes in one by one. excruciatingly slow, sits down, and the job speaks be reached a verdict. yes, we have in the matter of people versus bruce listener. when the jury find the defendant and they said guilty, and it was just me, the bottom literally fell out of my world. over my life.

when you been falsely accused, your only hope is for your attorney to directly challenge the veracity of the place . my attorney seemed unwilling to go that far. you never read said, isn't it true that you're just lying about all of this? here's the investigatory worth that i did. the proof that you're just a liar, and he never did that. and this is part of a larger problem that david serona called the authority by authority bias, meaning the government and institution says somebody did something and they must have done it. and what's strange about it is that this is a country that in one way, the americans i go because i don't trust the government around, i don't trust that even the government says, and yet at another level, at the very same time, is that the dominant rhetorical paradigm in our politics, there is this authority bias where when the government accuses somebody of a crime or says somebody is a wrongdoer, reflexively millions and millions of americans must be true for you to go. you know,

you're not your secondary, you're not allowed. be holding. would you like to be placed under arrest? you're not allowed to arrest me. ah. and so if you're innocent and you find yourself in prison, it's hard to have any hope at all. but a year later, mike ryan robbed another woman at 9 point and was sentenced to 6 years for armed robbery. but other than bruce and his father, nobody had connected mike ryan to the murder, besides other inmates like jeff death of it. another wrongfully convicted man, trying to prove his innocence losing home. and i remember reading about bruce, this was case in the magazine justice tonight, they allow people who alleged that they've been wrongfully convicted, whoever plausible story to write about their case. once i hope that more public attention will come, when i read about bruce's case,

it was reaffirming to me that i was on the right path, because even though he hadn't been exonerated, he was still looking for help. he hadn't given up. you can't give up. no matter how long it takes and it could take a long time. one of the biggest factors in the u. s. has the largest prison population in the world is the length of our prison sentences. the average sentence for burglary in canada and in england is around 6 months in the us. it's around a year and a half and other developed countries, a drug offense, my land you a year, a year and a half in jail, in the u. s. it's 5 to 10 years or more. if you're a black man in america, your sense will be 20 percent longer than if you're a white man. for the exact same crime. i met a woman that had a 1st offense. nothing more than $5.00 worth of crack cocaine and was sentenced to

jail in 1979 and didn't come home until 2014. and she said to me, i don't know how to use no phone. i don't know how to send a text. i don't know how to e mail, sorry, where people, particularly black people were defined as the enemy and the war on drugs. they were to find that way politically, but also through media imagery, donations crack. cocaine epidemic is taking a new and dangerous turn. white people, brown, people, and black people all use drugs and sell drugs at the same rate. but if we look at who's serving time in america's prisons, the launch force and apparatus is deployed disproportionately against people of color. oh, look at that in the war on drugs also bears

a major responsibility for racial bias in our prison system. is african americans are rest of for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of whites and serve longest sentences. although people of color make up only 30 percent of our population, does that make up 60 percent of our prisoners by the most conservative estimates. if we keep going the way we're going one in for black men born and they will go to joe at some point near lifetime, estimated 5300000 americans of denied the right to vote based on a pass felony conviction. and that impacts men of color more than any one else. this has got to change. you know, with any war there is some collateral damage. and although white people may not have been the original targets, they may not have been the inspiration for the war. many white people, particularly poor and working class white folks, have found themselves swept in patriarchs. my country,

not happy with my government, but i love my country. paul, rick is the u. s. army veteran who served in the gulf war. i was out about 3 weeks when i got busted for l. s. d. never sold after the normative dime off of acid. i took as it, on the weekends i reimbursed my buddy for what he paid for it. so that he wasn't giving it to me for free. we want to call that trafficking, i guess i'm a trafficker was personal use. we would just fry and play frisbee and listen to rock and roll, drill face or another major reason for america is overflowing prison population. the u. s. locks up more people for drugs than any other country on the planet. there are over half a 1000000 americans locked up for drugs on any given day. paul was one of them. he was facing a lot of time facing tenure, a mandatory minimum. and they offered him a deal for not forced to government to go through the time and expensive trial. all he had to do was plead guilty and after some painful consideration. and after all

those years in prison, one thing bothered paul, the most, you know, here we are in the modern society where we are melting pot and everybody's getting along to the most part and then imprison completely opposite. get there. if you weren't raised when you went in, they require you to be one soon as you get in every single jail in prison in america, everyone i've ever been to, it's all divided up. i ration everything segregated in there. you have the white phone, you have you have black phone, you have the asian phone. ah, ah, news. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation,

let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic developments. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. a very critical time. time to sit down and talk me so to to go to college. said, are you good? better than the remain russell? but i hope so. but over the over the, the book called up to you. they sort of the motion learning and a lot of stories going on in the course of action just for you know that i

position we think he might be a soldier because of the boot. she's wearing huge, which took a personal opinion was like this. you're still watching sports from buffalo, i the me it seems to raise the spark. the explosion of america's prison system still burned like a raging fire, which was shamefully hidden from the public going there was a very strict code of ending on your race. this is what we do. even the prison guards promote this. some people theorized that it's way for the guard to keep

control over us. because if we all got along then who would really be run into prison? us or the guards, just one guard for every 100 guys. prison society is further divided from race into gangs. so it helps to either be in one or be from the right neighborhood on my right to present the guy that was next to me. he was just a regular dog from long beach. he played basketball in the high school. he was a regular dual, flat. me and you know, he was going to prison for took a deal for, believe it was like a spouse, abuse him and grow. it was a terrorist threat in the united states. a terrorist threat covers any statement. it contains the threat of violence against another person. in this case, reggie is talking about an argument, a man was having with his girlfriend, where he threatened her. it's all these don't beat or whatever it was. it was a terrorist threat. it was no physical violence or anything, but he took a deal for 18 months and he was only supposed to like 8 months. take

a deal for 18 months. you're going to do 5 or 10 or whatever. so he failed. but the 1st now we got near the accident from south central from south central, where you from, well, from your home boys over here, cetera, cetera, they're going to direct you. were you supposed to go this guy didn't have anybody you would just from long beach? no, he just was a regular do know and that night and i'm listening to what's going on. and at 1st i thought they were playing because that's what he started off was. this is the whole game. if they, if everything is boy to leave something else, that's what i say. you don't let anybody touch you in jail. and he didn't notice, he did understand it. you're not supposed to ras, with somebody in sales because this is what they're doing. they're trying to see if they can get you involved a position in it, right. dear mama and i'm listening to it, and i'm thinking, damn way somebody can come help me and they didn't said lighting the sale. they rating according to the department of justice. nearly one and 10 prisoners suffer

sexual abuse while in american jails and prisons. so let's keep that in mind the next on a talk show host, a government official or anybody makes a joke about prison, rape. the fact that we find these jokes acceptable shows just how far we've got normalizing rape as a just punishment for any offense. as long as we keep imagining the people in prison or sub human, at their predatory and, and cordial and nothing like you and me, why would we lose any sleep about what their lives are like? what's happening to them? there are now over $5000.00 jails and prisons in the united states, more than we have colleges and universities in many parts of america, particularly the south. there are more people living in prisons that i'm college campuses. and a multimillion dollar business has emerged rates. this is going to sound too barbaric to be real, like medieval times, a science fiction,

horner film, or a french historical. the 13th amendment of the constitution outlined slavery. and it still allows for forced labor. if you are in prison today, there are roughly 1000000 american prisoners working for corporations and government industries. there is no minimum wage, so you could make as little as a few cents an hour. bruce worked in the kitchen for years. been in clerical jobs making a maximum of $0.32 an hour. it sounds like another time or a column brothers living. but it's happening right now. there are no benefits, no organizing, and no strikes. this is big business for state and for profit prisons. purcell inmate labor to fortune 5. hundreds like chevron bank of america, a t and t, and the u. s. military. nearly half the population in prison make military uniforms, body armor helmets, and provide labor contractors for fortune $500.00. they

make office furniture, man call centers to take hotel reservations, working slaughterhouses for manufacture, textile shoes and clothing for pennies. prison labor is part of why some state and private prisons yield a multi $1000000000.00 problem in not only are prisoners use to make product prisoners themselves or stole this product. since the 1980, the prison population has boomed. now, 150 private prison or pay a 1000000000 by the government to house prisoners private prisons do so well. some of their biggest investors are bank like wells fargo bank of america. many private prisons demand 90 or even a 100 percent occupied, meaning the tax payer, which bill for every bed. even the members for profit prisoners are incentivized to

incarcerate more people and for a longer period of time to filter. to make sure that happens, they spend millions putting tough on crime. today, nearly 10 percent of americans prisoners are held in private presence and they also spend millions influencing immigration not canceled. detained immigrants are held in private prisons for indefinite periods of time. often years exposed to brutal conditions because they're not americans, the government gives him no right to even the most basic legal representation or medical care. 3 housing facilities were set on fire and apparently all started over in made frustration over the quality of medical care. perhaps unable to say being treated like chattel and used as forced labor for pennies. an hour is not that popular on the inside, but that's not the worst of it. the socks, the issue, are you the underwear the issue is used. you got to buy things like shaming,

equipment and food and sweat, socks, underwear, t shirts, the canteen or commissary, is more expensive than any convenient store on the outside. it's definitely advisable to have money so that you can get started. if you don't have 5200 bucks coming into your books or your account every month and you're going to need the hustle. and this is philip. he was convicted of robbery is crooked, is we are out here or get inside there to whether it's it's drugs, whether it's alcohol, you've got people that they don't drink. but the manufacture, bruno wall day, is banquet in the, in the, in the boiler room, they found a still friends that i knew had actually gotten so far as to get the copper tubing from industries over. and so we had copper tubing that were making moonshine and tank when maybe they drank it. so drugs through our visit, the recreational officer in prison is like networking college for criminals. the

majority of the guys in prison or they're trying to learn how to do crime better, just kind of a school for criminals to learn more be criminals. and that's not an exaggeration. a 2011 study from ohio university showed that after spending time in prison, those continually to engage in crime, see their criminal earnings increase on an average by $11000.00 a year. jody lewin is the executive director of the prison diversity project. there are thousands and thousands of people in the system. all they want is the opportunity to get a good education and to be hired by somebody where they can have a job where they have meaningful work. and in a livable wage. in the late eighty's, early ninety's, there were pi 350 programs in the present system. nationwide. i took it as advice been saying for a long time, but for some computer training. is there any computer training in there because he knows, you know, i finally, when i get to the banquet and i said, do you have any,

any computer training? so it was great because i mean those, you know, the least obey the best, you know, and there's a rebellious kind of spirit in there. they're still a bit quiet right now. so there's this rebelliousness, you know, i could exercise my brain, they can't stop me from doing that. so we really got this fries about our education, particularly in that computer programming class. and it was an honor to be able to fight the system. as you might say, by educating each other and then see me graduate. that 8 years later, my dad was really proud of me and our relationships as blossom just became so deep . and so, so meaningful and ad was everything to me. and it was just 2 weeks after i graduated that he died. ah, i will

same wish true. when i signed this crime bill we together are taking a big step toward bringing the laws of our land back in the land with the values of our people. in 1994, congress passed the violent crime control and law enforcement act, which among many other things, borrowed people in prison from receiving pell grants. most of those programs folded almost overnight. to be realistic, i mean, unless you're getting a college education in here, it's probably not going to help you too much. but if they have skills such as welding, welding on this chart is just phenomenal. we've seen guys go through the welding program and they're making $3040.00 an hour out there on the streets and they're writing letters back to the instructor over here. and those are the things that you

guys need a new job so they won't be robbing still and turning to go, you know, doing the drugs and that type of thing. so that's, that's what i would change. critical reason. number one, why people are ending up in prison is for lack of really quality educational opportunity. the american public in general, has been so profoundly brainwashed into thinking that what we're doing with our present system is somehow normal or rational. or just i find that overwhelming and exhausting, just because where you spend time in inside and the more content you have with people have been directly affected. the more the praise, the system appears over 20 percent, one out of every 5 inmates are physically attacked every 6 months. so a lot of the violence you see in prison is an expression of the character of the people in prison. its people reacting to the situation and this is something so few

people understand if you took a 1000 people off the street and put them in corporate or pelican bay or solid, add some huge number of them would end up committing violence because of the situation that they've been placed in 5 years into a sense, an older man, whose nickname was the devil wanted ready to take the blame for a knife. the guards found on the yard, but reggie refused. reggie later would say he knew then either the devil was going to kill him, or he had to kill the double. and 2nd guess myself could i have one about the situation any other way. and no matter how many times i tell myself, this was the only thing there could have happened. i don't see it right with me marcell because i said and never been in the 1st place. i'm innocent man. and you turn me into what you say are worth a lot on this whole time and you turn me into a murder because i had to after that, they put reggie in solitary confinement. and he went from a life sentence without possibility of parole to facing the death penalty. so he

gets put on trial in the death penalty case. and his lawyer starts looking into his original case and gives me a call and says, you know, i think this guys innocent of what he went to prison for the 1st. and the 2nd reason reggie got out, besides the prison stabbing was this miracle of there happened to be a book that had been put out about the l. a homicide division. the author of the book had documented a ride along with the l. a. p d detective this homicide investigators 1st night that she was on the job the every night she investigated the murder. she would ultimately arrest reggie for and we're flipping through the book and reading it. and it's all this stuff and it was never disclosed to the defense. that's all documented. that'll indicate pretty clearly veggies innocent. but it was still take the innocence project 10 years to get reggie out of prison ah,

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