general stuff, so mom called and smith hasn't been on this program. he's joking at the m, i 6 link royal united services and few today about warfare. i mean, sure to come up is how the enemies of this country are china and russia. it's repeated on and on. what do you make of these new ca on that side of the bond? and i may 6 rumors that china created corona virus in the lab. well firstly, actually it's great to be with you. i'm glad to see that you're a heavy and sharp as ever. look, this is not a new allegation. this allegation goes right back to early 2020. when the trump administration began to circulate a set of rumors that perhaps the wanting to do to virology or some other lab had leaked this virus that it had nothing to do with human encroachment in nature. repeatedly this messaging has return, despite the fact that it's been pretty well debunked by the world health

organization. but other people who looked at it pretty closely, it's not just the ca, david, but trask, former us general, started talking about the need for, you know, protocols on an international scale. it kind of just the chemical weapons treaty has a formal surveillance of places that have chemical manufacturing. they should be similar. they have broken down in recent years, and david portray is, i'm not sure given that he had to resign. and his grace is the best source for any information. he has no credibility, but what he was saying essentially was once more winking and nodding. and suggesting that this has something to do with chemical weapons manufacturing. but have all of this has been repeatedly debunked. but the biden administration picking up just where the trump administration left off by me and i suppose we have to admit that it is feasible such as everything is feasible in the,

in science. but i think was different. and we've talked on this program about the, the way the chinese officials now respond to anthony blinking in anchorage. and the way that now join is foreign ministry spoke with jose. so quick not to just quietly say you well, you know, that's an american point of view. so quick to point to fort dietrich, just 50 miles away from washington dc and say what that has been going on in your germ warfare laboratory. what did you make of this chinese response to the, by the ministration allegations? well, look, i've followed chinese diplomacy for years. i remember meeting chinese diplomats in the middle east. they used to be so cautious on the word stage and they'd always talk about every country has the right to its own internal offense. one should not interfere and so on. in recent years, you don't see that you see what you know has been called as with diplomacy, you know, this much more aggressive form of reacting to us pressure in latin america. we've seen a massive ads right in the breast,

in last year at the ambassador and she live, for instance, wrote in carrying court pompeo might be on 2nd state, a liar, much more aggressive responding. you know, the chinese, it seems to me, i've had enough of it at anchorage alaska and in the blink and open the meeting, the 1st meeting at the highest level of the biden administration, with the chinese government by insulting the chinese, i mean, you know, instead of saying, look, welcome to alaska, alaska. the gateway is here for the united states. if you look on a clear day, you can see moscow from anchor instead of the pleasantry blinking comes then. and just inside the chinese thing, you don't understand the rules based word order. no rules based world or where now listening to this from the country, the prosecutor, the illegal walk in iraq and except for counselor, one just hit back hard at that meeting. and then what are you talking about rules based on what the rules are. you followed one reason for this confidence in the

china has been able now finally to be able to defend its border. very important, this psychological aspect. you see, you see, not only us shipping doing the so called freedom of navigation moves in the south china sea, but now the h m, as queen elizabeth, is going to join. you have german ships, french naval vessels in the, off the course of korea. so on the chinese, the thing we're going to defend a border, we're not going to take this lying down. they used to be a theory early option about, you know, the traffic malacca, the straits of malacca, the chinese fed oil particularly could be at any point cut off. they're not so dependent anymore because of the bed and road. it's because of the ability of the chinese to drive and economic project that seems to be much more successful than the economic projects in new york in the u. k. in the us and so on. well,

british view as can be assured that the mars johnson government has sent worship there to protect british interests. obviously, i mean, not, not everyone who's a journalist, read your books, perhaps, and read your most recent one washington bullet. but when this rumor of the chinese lab corona virus came out, is it just expected from the authorities? whether it be in my 6 around the corner from here or in the langley, at the ca, that the reporters will just flip from trump, isn't it? was he saying it's under warranty to bide and says it could be it? well, it may well be a communist corona, virus virus. well, i mean the office and i looked out of the window and i've seen the mit building and it presents some very formidable view from where you are sitting. so i hope they listen to this just because you and i might say something doesn't mean that the rest, the less than the world. believe it. you know, we are not credulous. we are not still was the security stayed in the west. we

would like to look at the evidence and i'd like, i'd prefer to listen to epidemiologists who look at the evidence, who looked at the sequencing of this particular virus. and they understand that the sequencing of the virus demonstrates that it's much more likely to have developed by moving between various animals and then eventually leaping to humans. then leaping out of a test you and yet the intelligence services continue to speak in that language. of course, it's true that, you know, journalists who are liberals will say, look, trump was a little not be, but in biden said, don't you know the manner in that m, i think said this, probably more credibility. why listen to them? why not listen to the scientist? if only bars, johnson listened to the science early in 2020. if only the drum listen to the science in early 20 plenty. well, i'm now asking fellow journalists,

why not talk to the scientists to learn about what's in the d n. a sequence of the virus getting that a little, let them tell you about that. don't listen to the briefings from, you know, the shadows from intelligence services where they are disparaging the science in order to make a political point. well jump, and johnson say they've done the best. they can johnson's and as an inquiry which may start next next year. what about this chinese allegation? people could watch our interview about m. k, ultra, and relations to germ warfare at 40 drake or youtube channel. i mean, just give us a rundown of why the united states has 600 buildings on 13000 acres, apparently in the w h. i haven't looked into it. do you think the usa will ever open for dietrich, which the cdc shut down in september? was it august 2019, just as the nowadays now we discover of some savings of corona virus around the

world. well, i don't know if it's really shut down because these are the sites that are not inspected by independent observers. look, there's a lot of evidence option. going back to the 19th century on various forms of chemical and biological weaponry produced by the united states government, there's a lot of evidence they've used it. i mean, for god's sake, we forget that in vietnam, the united states use chemical weapons against that population. by which i mean nip on if the next was thing after a nuclear bomb, they would project can say whatever he wants about the need for. so the image of biological, you know, manufacturing of different kinds of potential weaponry with the u. s. has never allowed inspections of any of it sites. so i mean, i'm not confident that anything is actually shut down. and i think the chinese accusation seriously, you know, it's one thing to accept or the government says, and you know,

believe that they are being completely honest and that they are being, you know, genuine about what they're saying as it's another to allowing dependent inspections . let's remember what iraq was made to do in the 1990. when people like hands, blake and others went from side to side inspecting things. i look forward to the day when side such as this are opened up in the united kingdom. let's go and investigate the united kingdom on chemical weapons and john weapons, margie's, perhaps the exist. we don't know what's good for the goose has never been good for the gander. you remember the early part of the trumpet administration? they use the mother of all bonds, and journalists were not permitted to go to the site to see what had happened. their journalists was stop. we were given breast guards by the pentagon about how to report that story. most of the reporting is identical. just find the briefly invite to, we're going to be talking about colombia and britons links to what's been happening

columbia? very briefly, because i haven't spoken to you since about what happened in ecuador, where pro american, as we and elected hopes that pink tied maybe returning. we've now seen the fake corruption, as it turns out allegations against noun overturned. we've seen changes in bolivia, and we see madura oak continuing to lead venezuela. you know, there are several elections that are going to be on the horizon very important on sunday, early june. you're going to see an election the 2nd round in federal castillo, a man of the left, a man, a school teacher from rural pharaoh most likely is going to win the election in triumph over the daughter of mister fuji morty, who was the data in the 1990 very significant in november, daniel hardly a member of the communist party and she will be the candidate of the left on sure that he is the head of any other candidate in chile. this is very significant,

but the place to look at, you know, option is columbia, where this gun violence at the center being golly, is being used by the government of even do k. did try and deliver to my next year's presidential candidate goes down there, famous to do get accusing him of, of him, of associations with violence and so on. this is disturbing because mr. mr. duke and his predecessor li, big have a history of trying to diligence demise the left in order to have a triumphant return to i don't know which i think that i've seen. i don't know if it's any kind of tied, but certainly something is happening in south america, and i'm really glad that it's been covered by the borders like yourself could you present? thank you. thanks a lot. after the break, as we've been told mountain the world's go to cocaine country columbia. why is the british army helping security forces 5000 miles from london? that human rights groups blame for mass slaughter. all the more coming up about to

have going on the ground. the the, the, the always be polite, never engage with an aggravated or confrontational office. don't get into any conversation to start answering questions. just ask for an attorney. ah, survive and interrogation. you've gotta be ready to step out. definitely don't want to be going to throw in a jump suit one cups. you're more likely to walk free. if you're rich and guilty, you are, if you're poor and you got 2 eyes and 2 ears and one mouth. so you should be seen in here and a whole lot more than you're saying if you don't take that advice,

usually gonna dig yourself before the the welcome back. it's been over a month since protests began in the world's largest cocaine, produce a columbia wherever a quarter of the population are living in poverty. now there's news of schools killed off to britain about the sent you k soldiers to aid the country security forces. joining me now from here in brazil is f no historian and political science professor at the national university of columbia meeting for hilton forest. i, i, i've got a message from the british ministry of defense saying there are military personnel in the embassy in columbia in less than 10 officials. and we have previously foreign office. he has fewer than 10 members of the armed forces deployed to

columbia. i know that you're going to tell me what's been happening in columbia, but i should just say that birth johnson, last 3 to columbia, was it committed to an impressive 51 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030 together? we can build greener. i welcome president. even duke as leadership, welcoming him maybe to glasgow this year. what's been happening there? well, the 1st thing i'd say about that is that, you know, in terms of british forces being in columbia, in any capacity, i assume that they're just simply a supplementary force as a so often the case to a much larger u. s. force. and the u. s. the committed a pretty impressive amount of resources to beating up the columbia armed forces and police in columbia, in the war against our rebels. and now about the war machine, the united states that the united states helped build up as being on lease again on arm civilian demonstrators in all of colombia major cities. and most of its towns

goes back decades. britain, training. i mean, there's been parody 2100000 in something called the police innovations with stabilisation training in columbia and so on. but, but i mean, human rights watch america's director, seriously saying that the scale of the police violence has, there's not been seen in latin america. tell me what you're hearing. that human rights, what can be saying that the levels of violence can be that, that severe? so the 6 i have come from human rights n g o in columbia, that has been compiling nice. it just extend this started on april 28th and what they have so far, and they tend to be conservative in their numbers because there's a lot and it's not being registered. so they can only go with what's actually been registered. $3405.00 acts of police violence altogether. busy in the space of a month. so right, that's over a 100

a day. there's been 43 homicides that have been committed by members of the police or civilian, inspiring alongside of police and in coordination with police. there's been 1145 arbitrary arrests. $47.00 people have been blinded in one eye and because the anti riot police are using these tear gas canisters, but then firing them a fairly close range of people's heads. and then 22 women have been as far as i know, it's been all women victims of sexual violence at the hands of the police will the national police who ride around on their motorcycle, terrorizing people and shooting at them as well as the police look like those sort of global cops that used to be featured in science fiction movies, while the colombian government denies it, we can verify the figures you you've just said. and if you look at the british government website, columbia is

a great place for doing business because the world bank is saying is the 35th best country in the world to do business. just take us back as to why the latest protests of a could and lead to as your and geo claims, such a level of extreme violence from the authorities that okay, so the government introduced a regressive tax package that would have really come down are on the official figure that the colombian government has, where the number of people living in poverty is 42.5 percent. and that is for sure, a conservative figure, but at least that many people live in poverty. and a number of them were going to be hit with a whole range of taxes, including taxes on basic staples and then fuel. but then also taxes on their salaries. and as a result of the demick in which, you know, people haven't received any kind of emergency funds of the sort that has been seen elsewhere. people are really, they were frankly, at the edge of survival before the pandemic. and that's why there was

a national general strike in 2019, in order to reject regressive tax measures, which favored multinational corporations and the banking sector. and then this is regressive. tax package is, was introduced on top of sort of the free fall disaster that, that the pandemic is represented for. the majority of colombians, poverty shut up 7 percent officially in just one year as a result of this pandemic. so people that the majority of the population lives on the edge of survival. and when people began going without a meal. and so when they saw that they were going to have to pay the fact that they knew they simply couldn't. and that they had to protest just in order to survive at the levels that they're at. now, they have also forced the withdraw because that measure was immediate withdrawn. they've also force the withdrawal of a regressive healthcare reform measure, which would rebuttal columbia even further along us lines, which is to say,

is the consumer of healthcare services who ends up paying. you know, the bulk of found that the entire health care system is set up by the previous s root re where as a means of privatizing existing health care resources that drew it is the case that the system is already largely privatized. and that in many regions of the country, the health care sector is run by neo paramilitary mafia. they're involved in guns, trafficking, and cocaine trafficking, and murder and disappearance. see all kinds of barbarity of this. what we've been seeing in the cities happens in the countryside because a minority of the population live in the countryside and people, or in our lives in the countryside. we rarely hear about what's happening in the cities, and it's being captured on video. but columbia's economic model has led to some of the highest levels of inequality in the entire world. and it's simply not

sustainable anymore. and even kind of international financial agencies like the world bank and the i m f said to the colombian government, coming out of the peace process with the park, the armed rebels in the countryside. this was signed at the end of 2016. coming out of the peace process. the international financial agency said, listen, you have to increase social spending on things like health care and education. the kind of fundamentalist neoliberalism which allows for, you know, only cuts and only austerity is not sustainable in the current social climate in columbia. so the colombian government has known for some time that it needed to beef up investment in health care in education. and students have been striking, get greater resources for education, but the state refused to do so. the plan is to continue the privatization that as you pointed out, will be gone under albert, or even when he's president of 2002 to 2010. it's also important to point out that when he was president,

according to these new courts that had been set up to hear these kinds of cases, the special jurisdiction for peace is what they call these court. according to these courts, there are claims of young men being disappeared by the columbia, an army in order to boost the body of guerrillas killed him. combat people were not killed in combat. they were civilians, not guerrillas, and they would disappeared by the army. and it happened both when george w bush was president, and when obama was president. so this was a systematic practice by the me, an army. when i was president, you, when it comes to latin america, britain have boss johnson hosted one guy do once to overthrow the government on venezuela neighboring country. you're telling me they're all the human rights abuses in a country that is britain's ally, britain, security cooperation allows arms to be center. and of course, it's in the front night of the so called war on drugs. any,

any evidence to suggest that all this money from an subsidy from united states from britain, from european union countries, is actually aiding cocaine production and cocaine distribution? well, here's the, here's the fact of the matter plan colombia by the united states. it was 1st introduced under clinton and then beat up under bush and essentially continued in, in different guys under obama. ready more than a $1000000000.00 was spent in order to reduce cocaine production by okay, production is that record levels according to the us and other agencies, passive monitoring these things. so in terms of the stated goals, all of the sort of anti drug efforts have failed dramatically. and that makes you wonder if the policy failure has been so dramatic decade after decade and the cocaine treated ap record levels. you know,

why is there no room for rethink of those policy? and i mean, no one thing the motive, because i had a goodly suddenly some of the financial services industry takes cocaine and they're the ones supporting the liberal privatization. presumably, the motivation here is, is columbia and norco state under, under this man, even do k. and do you think he's using the current violence to try and call off elections next year? is that, is that what be uptick is about to stop a progressive being elected the, you know, it's difficult because let me pride itself on a civilian democracy. it only had military dictatorship for, very the period in the 1900. throughout the 20th century. and i would be surprised if collections did not like flock work in the sense of, you know, according to calendar. however, the kinds of slot and why lends that might more those elections as another question

altogether. and if we look back to the previous electoral site in the 21st century, we can certainly see where fraud and violence have played an important role. namely in electing, i'll believe, as president and reelect in 2000 says. so i think we can expect that every means possible will be used in order to stop the progressive candidate winning in 202242 percent of the board in 2018, which was historic, but the columbia left, which has never gotten above st digits before, and now this has happened and the only response to the government is increased militarization and you know, increase spending on things like tear gas canisters for the ryan police. but it's not working. there's an entire generation which is said, we're not we, they've taken everything from us. we have enough that we don't even have beer anymore because we've been out here for a month and they have been shooting at us and their particular neighborhoods that

you can point to places like hollywood epis epicenter of this particular nationwide uprising. and you can see where they're being shot at every night. and so after a month of that, what you have is the generation of young people. ready who have learned to see the state as a war machine on against them, even though they have no weapons and they're just trying to defend the neighborhood in which they live. so it's really dramatic situation and the inter american human rights commission is finally going to be able to get into columbia to investigate some of these things. the vice president and the chancellor of columbia has suggested that that should be a guided visit, a guided tour. she also said in washington that there was only one person missing in all of this, i disappeared people and in fact according to leading and yo, there's 346 people. whereabouts are not accounted for? there have been bodies appearing,

tortured and murdered in rivers and elsewhere. so it will be really important to find out just how many disappeared people there are. but in order for that to happen, there has to be independent human rights investigations, which up until now, colombian government has been unwilling to prove to permit but you can see by the figure used by the vice president chancellor watching. oh, there's only one person missing. oh, you can come check it out. we'll give you a guided tour. the colombian government is essentially in disneyland when it comes to the reaction of the international community to this because the european union, even members of congress in the united states, have been pretty loud and clear about the fact that the bloodshed needs to stop the government needs to marine and its police force and sit down and negotiate and dialog protesters. and that's, of course, with the protests are demanding as well. however, there doesn't seem to be much opposition from the, by the white house to what's going on and the u. s. would be able to restrict both

police military to columbia and could even threaten some sort of economic sanctions as it would with any government it considered its enemy. but because columbia is considered the closest ally or one of the closest allies in the hemisphere, the message so far has been rather mixed about police violence and the need to stop it. well, and he did meet vice president mother ramirez and said there should be some going to support for, for protest. the colombian government denies all wrong doing, but professor forest healthy. thank you very much. thanks very much for having me to. the show will be back on saturday. 53 is the day before me, us attorney general presidential candidate robin kennedy was assassinated in l. a by palestinians at hand to hand, allegedly in retaliation for kennedy's backing for israel, and has been denied bro from his california prison. ever since, until then he would try social media. and if you're watching on youtube,

comment below and let us know what you think witness, and so just to columbia the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk to the news

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