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me dares think we dare to ask me. ah ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered 9 peter bell? well, it didn't take long days after the shooting biking summit, the u. k. committed some very under pro magic acts in the block, c will tell you why. also after heated debate, the e. u is proven unable to find

a unified voice to engage russia, whose fault is that. i discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, marcus. papa douglas of london. he's a historian analyst, and the author of the new book arrives, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics. and in budapest we cross the jordan, samuel, we use a podcast, or in the gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble. and locals are a gentleman cross, correct, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i was going to london for the mark of can you explain to me what the u. k is doing him, the black, the, and all of their gobbledygook, explanations for their intrusion in territory waters of russia that russia claims that i know that they, the u. k. does not recognize crimea as part of ukraine, but they are russia and,

but you know, they have to of 2 different explanations that ukrainian waters, it's international waters. what is that? what are they doing? and it's very and diplomatic. are they looking for a provocation? go ahead, marcus. well, the infamous incidence in russian maritime alters adjacent to the crime in an inch, was evidently a sage, the publication by both britain and america. and i say america as well, because london and washington act in unison on the international stage. and that is especially the case when it comes to russia. and this stage complication was both for holiday and exceedingly dangerous. now, the question is, why did last london and washington orchestrates this publication of russia? well, i cannot believe that the americans and the british c miss lee wish to go to russia

into a military confrontation with the west because the americans and the british know, as we know, that a military conflict with russia, with rapid growth rapidly escalates into a new killer exchange. so it is my opinion that the reason why the british and the americans sage this publication was to portray russia as an aggressive and dangerous full force. which warrants the increase in a toes presence on the russian border in terms of soldiery and weaponry. and also, it warrants the case for ukraine to be admitted into the ranks of nato. the british government official line, but they do not recognize the crimea as part of russia and therefore h m, and defend the rule. may be sure it shipping both and the incident was in ukrainian, alters is,

is an logical and quite simply untenable argument to make. because if the, if that argument was applied across the world, then other countries in the world could no longer recognize the british jurisdiction over the north or north and island, or british jurisdiction over the mouth, venus, or the full can diamonds, or indeed british jurisdiction over by the change those islands. so the real reason was to go to russia to portray russia in a very negative, dangerous way to justify nato is increasing dangerous prisons on the russian. and also to increase the case for ukraine to be admitted into georgia. we all know that the lee and the, i guess the daniel seabreeze, bob exercises are bland. but this week here was this a trial balloon to see what the reaction was going to. also, we have

a british getting so close to a russian sovereign border on the crimea in the black sea is that it was a reconnaissance mission as well, seeing what kind of depends are there. and so, i mean that there's provocation written all over the go ahead. yes, there was a provocation. and with our question, it is about trying to humiliate roster and to mobilize nato into more, more expenditure, more reasons for existence, more expansion. and, but i think also there is a domestic aspect to it, which is the, i mean, the bar is johnson government is in the hopeless tappers, and we have its minutes. the map and coffee resigning this weekend over a situation where he was violating his own cobit restrictions.

we know we have johnson counting his supposedly global britain, whereby britain now has a major world's power and has a role to play in the world. when of course, it is complete nonsense because britain is not a serious player on the world stage. and one of britain did in, in promoting russia was clearly absolutely ludicrous just on his face because of the rationale that it has come up with such as a well, this was innocent passage when it was, which even when you look at it, just in terms of what the un convention of law, the c says innocent passage does not apply to a war ship that is causing through territorial waters locked and loaded. and the sheila propaganda exercised, johnson openly said,

this is the propaganda that has to show that these waters don't belong to russia, but belong to your great propaganda exercise. and moreover, russia have already explicitly stated in april of this year that there is to be no innocent passage in crime in that way to say that it in april. so this was months before johnson comes along with this month and that's oh, this was innocent passage and just going from a to b. so i go back to your original question. as you know, i think brittany is trying to throw its weight around in the world, but is making itself into an absolute laughing stock. and unfortunately, because britain doesn't have a proper opposition, let me where is the labor party? there's no one really holding johnson fee to the fire as to why exactly is he getting breton involved, potentially into very serious military conflict with nuclear power in markets. at

the end of the day, i mean, it was an attempt to humiliate russia, but it was the u. k. that was humiliated. i mean, this was the self inflicted wounds. i mean, they read like they, they turned around and ran away. okay. and they, and of course, in the media coverage of it, you know, russia, there was a, a warning shop. they were planes involved in the process. i understand that you can't, government denied all of it, but none of that is true. it actually all happened. go ahead, marcus paid. so 1st of all, i must say this, i c, h, able to not dismiss britain in the world who is at the heart, along with the americans of the banking of the global banking system and the global financial system. britain, in particular, specifically the city of london arisen is an exceptionally powerful global player in about doing the same thing. i think that if i could interpret george's words and he can jump in, obviously me and the u. k is making and so relevant diplomatically,

militarily on the coattails, have been a change which we want to talk about a little bit later here. i think that's the context you're right. i mean, i'm not knowing the dismissing of the city of london. okay. but i mean, of course do use your own words, they never would have done this with the americans and agreed. yes, absolutely. the american military had in georgia. yeah, i mean the americans provide the military muscle, but of course, traditionally brenton is at the heart of the global financial banking system. now as regards to nato, well, i believe that made so expansion into eastern europe has come to a halt perhaps made. so we'll expand into southeast and europe, specifically, serbia, and both in the regards in europe, it has come to an end. why do i say that? because the kremlin will use all means at its disposal. i mean,

all means that its disposal to ensure that you train is never admitted into the ranks of nato. but i believe h. smith defend the been deployed in sebastian maritime borders. does show that the british and the americans feel emboldened because britson never recognized. the states only left the uranium as part of the soviet union, yet nonetheless, in london, never violated soviet maritime walters adjacent to the baltic states. i let me add this one of a point pizza, the british roll in a late instead of the polio, the royal navy, to the black sea to go to gotcha should actually deploy the royal navy in full strength to the english channel to defend england from illegal immigrants crossing on a daily basis from kelly. if they have about the british people, by the way, they would deploy the goal navy to well, long on the program. nato really does have an important mission. only one single

one defend europe in the immigration is one of an anti terrorism and other, but there was a way down on the list. apparently george, you want to jump in, go ahead. yes or no, i don't. i don't disagree with marcus about the key role of british finance in the, in the world. but as a military power, britain is insignificant. i mean, we've seen how feebly britain has fought in recent years. i mean it's, it's military performance and iraq was a joke. so any attempt by britain in ukraine or in the black sea to get itself into some sort of a military conflict with russia would end in a complete debacle birth. and i mean, this is, and that's, i think, very different from the united states or the united states is a serious military board of great britain is not a serious military fall. and that's why i think johnson's idea that the great britain is the global britain is, as i'm sort of a major power in the world,

is completely misconceived. rapidly was part of what to ask you both. the same question for the markets here in, you know, you can interpret the, the recent content bio summit in many different ways in georgia. and i, a different venue are gaggle. but i mean, is this undermining any possibility of kind of lowering tension because that's one interpretation you can take from the summit markets 1st. and i'm going to go ahead real quick. no, i don't believe fact if i mean is to be an improvement in relations between russia and the west. then the old, so to speak is found in the course of the west, but nato needs to withdrew its presence from the russian odor. the americans need to pledge invited that ukraine and georgia will not be admitted into the rights of nato. and also the americans need to mental and michelle defense system in poland

and romania. unless that happens, there will be no improvements in relation to russia. your answer, george, go ahead. yeah, no, i think that's right, but i don't think there's any real prospect of improvement relations with russia unless nature makes a significant changes. nato will not make the changes. but, and i think there are countries such as great britain that thrive on tension with russia, it elevate the significance and suddenly you can play around being the sort of the big player in the, on the world stage. so johnson said that does not want any kind of a day tone, because then, you know, his role in the world is much the minute. it's not a money maker isn't dental, then it's not. all right, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break enough about your community work discussion and some important news. stay on the

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ah me dares thing. we dare to ask me. ah, oh, welcome back to cross stock were all things considered? i'm he to live l. this is the home addition remind you were discussing some real news. i okay gentlemen, which change gears is coming back to george and in budapest. well, you know, be there's a strobe out there that the russians are always trying to divide members dates of the e, u conquering divide and all that. but when the,

you get together on the back of a strong suggestion from the german chancellor and the french president to start a dialog on any specific issues with russia, they pointed to the boat and you know, what happened? no consensus here. the russians are left. what do we talk to you want to talk? who do we talk to? and that's the, that's where we stand right now. do you see that george? because it looks like, you know, the germans and the french want to move forward. but of course, it's the, the polls and the baltic states that do not want to is what actually want more things. and i mean, this is just turning the policy towards rush into a pretzel. go ahead, george. yes. well, it's a pole in the bold estate, but it's also use a barrel, the you foreign minister, so to speak. i remember he was by the you council to come up with a working paper as a huge your relations with russia. precisely because from germany, you know,

probably it's really once a working relationship with russia. and then burrell comes up with this ridiculous paper about a week, 10 days ago, which he talks about constrained and pushed back and engage with russia engage only on the issue that matter, that the, you know, one anything that my mother, roger, so that's for l, who seems to be completely stuck in the mindset of russia, the malevolent was. so you got what is really going on in the you, the serious bows in the just bronze german in italy. say we have to was what, what was the status go and said that was 2014 working partnership with russia. and then you got the, you bureaucracy, the name of morale and the news about the baltics and,

and poland was just one more sanction. and the end result is out. we're going to have, well, thanks for position. now we're going to be working towards developing more sanctions. no one quite knows what about what, but the rest of most sanctions are needed. in america, i'm glad you're dried up 2014 because because that's, of course on the back of the illegal force regime change in ukraine, which for some reason is blamed on russia. and so we have this, you know, we have going on 7 years now, why should the russians really particularly care? i mean, you don't want to dump. okay. i mean, why should they keep waiting around? i mean, this has been my position for a long time. if you don't want to parlay, then get along, get on with your life, we'll get it and get on with ours. we live in the same neighborhood, but if you don't want to be good neighborly, then what's the point? what, why should russia have to reach out the ball is in europe court. okay. and they need relationship with russia. russia only needs

a relationship with europe less and less with every passing day. that's my contention. at least, go ahead, mark crime, to you, expansion into the politic states, into eastern europe and into south eastern europe. the true me was a folks to be reckoned with. it was an exceptionally affluent, elite club whose members would be exceptional. greece and portugal made an immense amount of money. however, the use leadership, overstretched themselves, when they admitted the politic states, eastern europe, and se you're into the rights of the you, they never consider the consequences. effectual consequences could have been. countries such as poland and the old states inside of the us. and now today we see a fossil situation in which

a minority of members of the you holding so ransom the rest of the you visa, free russia, b a. do i mean, specifically the major countries from germany, but also italy and spain and then also such as hungry and greece want to have better relations with russia. in fact, they want to go back to how relations were prior to the crew in kit. in february, 2014, the european union is handicapped. it is handicapped because of the behavior of poland and the baltic states. and i don't see how parents can actually get around that now because yes, the french and the germans had very strong financial relations with russia. a so also to spain and italy, in particular, the agricultural sectors in spain to mentally no longer,

no longer able to export their project to the russian federation as they once were trying to be used on russia. so be you or the leadership of the you only have itself to blame. i haven't expanded into parts of europe, which are always going to be problematic. i did not strategically plan for countries such as poland and the arctic state. and now as i said, moments ago, the you in regard to its relationship with russia has become handicapped because poland and the politics do not wish to be any improvements between the you and why? because they are constantly constrained russia as a friend to the whole of your and thereby they are receiving even more financial assistance from america and also even more soldiery and weaponry or so on their respective terminal res george. so so obviously b,

u isn't making any headway here. what are the benefits, the country like colon in the baltic, republics, gardner from this position. i don't see any kind of spite and they want to spike for historical cultural window. ideological reason, the entire block suffers. and as i say, every time i do cross up the world is moving on europe. if you want to tread water, go right ahead because everybody else is moving forward. i mean, this is just the most ridiculous situation have. it's like dealing with children in the cafeteria, go ahead and calculation as well will. we will have washington in our hall will be there for as we know about the united states, united states of shell out money, unless there's something really big in it or the united states. and i mean, when trump said ok, well, we're going to move troops out of germany. i move them into poland and then there's,

oh great, you know, we'll go with full trump and everything. but it never materialized as always happens with these american promises. they never really materialized and it's true as a marker sandwiches that there was a moment in history when the you was, i got a serious balls. you know, you have the hawkish, very russell oh, big united state. and then you had to you which had good relations with america, but also sold a partnership with russia and much it was one of the rec city in energy in the u. k. came from. i wish your political big as a oh my god. you remember it's going to become an american and he's going to become neutral, isn't going to be pro russian. we called the a positive is because we have somebody saying this trans atlantic a ryan, if it hasn't happened. and then the

e. u now is ludicrous. the vision is even more hawkish if anything of the united states. and it's very interesting with the, with since break been here, we have obviously the u. k. out. and now they've gone in some kind of like the u. k . is kind of the i can't find them right for americans help her on the world we discussed in the 1st part of the program, going into the black, the maybe doing it for the showing their value. ok. because their influence obviously over the least diplomatically as non existent anymore. so, i mean, and now we have a small number of countries within the u, dictating the direction of it. and, and i would say that the in the u. k. is role is more symbolic than anything else. i mean, the symbolism is really humiliating. every step of the way here and then you have paralysis in europe. so again, i repeat my position, why should the russians,

we can, if they are good, they need to do with culture nato. the rest of it is an internal injury. pan european problem go ahead markers. what is lamentable pizza is when britain finally withdrew from the european union. there was, i'm perhaps this is a minuscule window of opportunity for an improvement between the european union and russia. because it was, britain was in the country such as france and germany would come under more and more pressure in directly from america via britain. however, we have seen that no improvement in relations between the you and russia. indeed, i regard as far to say relation has serious and even so far in 2021. and we have to ask the question, why? well, i think to a very large extent,

it comes down to the immense influence that washington exert inside of the european union, not just economy, but also militarily. why? because most of the european union member states, also crucially, members of nato. and if mac countries are members of nato, ben back provides america with a tremendous amount of influence over the decision making process in those respective countries. but also in a blog can i'm talking about the european union as a whole. so i believe that was paris. berlin sincerely want to have dialogue with russia sincerely want to be able to trade properly with russia. again, they are hamstrung by the very fact that they are both members of nato and because they are not able to nice american influence european union. the finish

off, i mean it, remember during disregarding of disrespecting allies, but actually what we have to buy, which is continuation of other patients, the more may leis inside the european union, the better. okay. i mean, what a way to treat your allies. ok. whether they're in, they have a paralysis, they can even make their own policy. and of course i agree with it works the washington advantage. you're great. now i think routes and you know, when i'm, when a bizarre way of looking at the world finish up or it's. yeah, that's right. remember trump's line was, oh my god, we're doing all this. we your of them the such ungrateful people, you know, they don't realize all the wonderful things that we're doing for them. and so in the stabbing is in the back. and then when my grown suggested, well maybe there should be your be in security and identity. it was you had to go minds not resorting one forward to friends nato. and this is always been the

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