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i think we dare to ask me ah, the news i'm actually going underground of the narratives, the so called mainstream media will give you coming up in the show as human rights watch in the americas claims protest in the world, cocaine capital of colombia, has seen a level of police violence previously unknown and latin america. what is britain's role and why have you, soldiers been in columbia? apparently?

and why is china responded to nor, and intelligence readings in london in washington? the corona virus, the schedule led by pointing to a us of oratory 50 miles from has all this more coming up in today is going underground, refers to british intelligence officials quoted across media here that is feasible . covered 1900, started in the lab in china. this is news, a budget from vietnam of a new devastating angle indian variant of corona via join me now. last guy for north hampton and massachusetts, his executive director of the tri continental institute, social research, and author of washington, bullets, v. j. for shod. thanks so much for coming by gone, i should say the chief of the general staff called in smith hasn't been on this program. he's joking at the m 6 link royal united services and you today about warfare. i mean, sure to come up is how the enemies of this country of china and russia, it's repeated on an on what do you make of these new ca on that side of the bond? and am i 6 room is that china created corona virus and the lab?

well firstly, actually it's great to be with you. i'm glad to see that you're a heavy and as sharp as ever look, this is not a new allegation. this allegation goes right back to early 2020. when the trump administration began to circulate a set of rumors that perhaps the wanting to do to virology or some other lab had leaked this virus that it had nothing to do with human encroachment in nature. repeatedly this messaging has return, despite the fact that it's been pretty well debunked by the world health organization. but other people who looked at it pretty closely, it's not just the ca, david, but trask. former u. s. general started talking about the need for, you know, protocols on an international scale. it kind of just says, the chemical weapons treaty has

a formal surveillance of places that have chemical manufacturing. they should be similar. you may, they've broken down in reason d as in david betray, i'm not sure given that he had to resign and his grace is the best source for any information. he has no credibility, but what he was saying essentially was once more winking and nodding and suggesting that this has something to do with chemical weapons manufacturing. but have all of this has been repeatedly debunked. but the biden administration picking up just where the trump administration left off. i mean, i suppose we have to admit that it is feasible such as everything is feasible in science. but i think what's different, and we've talked on this program about the, the way the chinese officials now respond to entity blinking in anchorage. and the way that now join us foreign ministry spoke with jose. so quick not to just quietly say you well, you know, that's an american point of view. so quick to point to fort dietrich,

just 50 miles away from washington, d. c. and say what that has been going on in your germ warfare laboratory? what did you make of this chinese response to the, by the administration allegations? well, look, i've followed chinese diplomacy for years. i remember meeting chinese diplomats in the middle east. they used to be so cautious on the word stage. you know, they'd always talk about every country has their right to its own internal offense . one should not interfere and so on. in recent years, you don't see that you see what you know has been called zone with diplomacy. you know this much more aggressive form of reacting to us pressure in latin america. we've seen a massive as right in the breast in last year. the ambassador and sheila, for instance, wrote in carrying chord on bill my phone bill and secretary of state a liar, much more aggressive responding. you know, the chinese, it seems to me, i've had enough of it at anchorage alaska and in the blink and open the meeting,

the 1st meeting and the highest level of the biden administration with the chinese government by insulting the chinese, i mean, you know, instead of saying, look, welcome to alaska, alaska. the gateway is here for the united states. if you look on a clear day, you can see moscow from anchor instead of the pleasantry blinking comes then. and just inside the chinese thing, you don't understand the rules based world order rules based world or where now listening to this from the country, the prosecutor, the illegal walk in iraq and except dra counselor, one, just hit back hard at that meeting. and then what are you talking about rules based on what the rules of you followed. one reason for this confidence in the china has been able now finally to be able to defend its border. very important, this psychological aspect. you see, you seem not only us shipping doing the so called freedom of navigation moves in the south china sea, but now the h m, as queen elizabeth,

is going to join. you have german ships, french naval vessels in the, off the course of korea. and so on, the chinese, the thing we're going to defend a border, we're not going to dig this lying down. they used to be a theory early option about, you know, the traffic malacca, the straits of malacca, the chinese fed oil particularly could be at any point cut off. they're not so dependent anymore because of the bed and road. it's because of the ability of the chinese to drive and economic project that seems to be much more successful than the economic projects in new york in the u. k. in the us and so on. well, british viewers can be assured that the mars johnson government center worship there to protect british interests. obviously, i mean, not, not everyone who's a journalist, read your books, perhaps haven't read your most recent one washington bullets. but when this ruler of the chinese lab booker, of ours came out,

is it just expected from the authorities? whether it be an m, i 6 around the corner from here, or in langley, at the ca, that the reporters will just flip from trump, is an idiot. why the saying it's under warranty to buy and says it could be it? well, it may well be a communist corona, virus virus. well, i mean the office and i looked out of the windows and i've seen the mit building and it presents a very formidable view from where you are sitting. so i hope they listen to this just because you and am i sick. say something doesn't mean that the rest of us in the world believe it. you know, we are not that critical as we are not still on the security stayed in the west. we would like to look at the evidence and i'd like, i'd prefer to listen to me ologist to look at the evidence. you've looked at the sequencing of this particular virus. and they understand that the sequencing of the virus demonstrates that it's much more likely to have developed by moving between

various animals and then eventually leaping to human. then leaping out of a test you and yet the intelligence services continue to speak in that language. of course, it's true that you know, journalists are, liberals will say, look, trump was a little not be, but if biden said, you know, the mandarin, that m i think said there's probably more credibility. why listen to them? why not listen to the scientists? if only bars, johnson listened to the science early in 2020, if only drum listen to the science in early 20 plenty. while i'm now asking fellow journalists why not talk to the scientists to learn about what's in the d n. a sequence of the virus getting bad. i wouldn't let them tell you about that. don't listen to the briefings from, you know, the shadows from intelligence services where they are disparaging the science in order to make a political point. well jumping johnson say they've done the best. they can

johnson's and as an inquiry which may start next next year. what about this chinese allegation? people watch our interview about m k tra, and the relations to germ warfare at 240 drake on youtube channel. i think just give us a rundown of why the united states has 600 buildings and 13000 acres. apparently the w h. i haven't looked into it. do you think the usa, whatever open for the trick, which the cdc shut down in september? was it august 2019, just as the nowadays. and now we discover some sightings of corona virus around the world. well, i don't know if it's really shut down because these are sites that are not inspected by independent observers. there's a lot of evidence option, going back to the 19th century on various forms of chemical and biological weaponry produced by the united states government. there's

a lot of evidence they've used it. i mean, for god's sake, we forget that in vietnam, the united states use chemical weapons against that population. by which i mean nipple. it's the next thing after a nuclear bomb, they would perchance, can say, whatever he wants about the need for surveillance of biological, you know, manufacturing of different kinds of potential weaponry. when the u. s. has never allowed inspections of any of it sites. so i mean, i'm not confident that anything is actually shut down and i dig the chinese accusation seriously. you know, it's one thing to accept or the government says, and you know, believe that they are being completely honest and that they're being, you know, genuine about what they're saying as it's another to allow independent inspections . let's remember what iraq was made to do in the 1900 ninety's when people like hands, blake and others went from side to side inspecting things. i look forward to the

day when side such as this are opened up in the united kingdom. let's go and investigate the united kingdom on chemical weapons and job weapons. large is bad. the exist, we don't know what's good for the goose has never been good for the gander. you remember the early part of the trumpet administration, they use the mother of all bonds and journalists were not permitted to go to the site to see what had happened. there journalist was stop. we were given breast gods by the pentagon. the how to report that story. most of the reporting is identical. just finally, briefly invite to we're going to be talking about colombia and britons links to what will happen in colombia very briefly, because i haven't seen you spoken to you since about what happened in ecuador, where pro american has been elected. hopes that a pink time may be returning, we're now seeing though, the fake corruption, as it turns out allegations against noun overturned. we've seen changes in bolivia

and we see madura continuing to lead venezuela. you know, there are several elections that are going to be on the horizon very important. on sunday, early june, you're going to see an election. the 2nd round in fair federal guest deal, a man of the left, a man, a school teacher from rural param most likely is going to win the election in triumph over the daughter of mister fuji morty, who was the dictator in the 1990. very significant in november, daniel hardly a member of the communist party and she lay will be the candidate of the left all sure that he is the head of any other candidate in chile. this is really significant, but the place to look at, you know, option is columbia, where this gun violence at the center being golly, is being used by the government of even do k did try and deliver it to my next year's presidential candidate goes down there, famous to do kid accusing him of,

of ism, of associations with violence and so on. this is disturbing because mr. mr. duke and his predecessor liebherr, have a history of trying to deal legitimize the left in order to have a triumphant return to ball. i don't know which i think that option. i don't know if it's any kind of tied, but certainly something is happening in south america. and i'm really glad that it's being covered by reporters like yourself for your present. thank you. thanks a lot. after the break, and we've been told mountain the world's go to cocaine country columbia, why is the british army helping security forces 5000 miles from london? that human rights groups claim for mass slaughter all the small coming up about to have going underground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even from station let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

very critical time time to sit down and talk me welcome back to me. never months since protest began in the world's largest cocaine, producer, columbia. wherever a quarter of the population are living in poverty. now there's news of schools killed out of britain about the sent you k soldiers to aid the countries security forces. joining me now from here in brazil is f no historian and political science professor at the national university of columbia in forest hilton forest. i. i've got a message from the british ministry defense saying there are military personnel in the embassy in columbia in less than 10 officials. and we have previously foreign office. he has a few than 10 members of the u. k. armed forces deployed to columbia know that you're going to tell me what's been happening in columbia, but i should just say that bar. johnson's last 3 to columbia was,

it's committed to an impressive 51 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030 together. we can build greener. i welcome president. even duke as leadership, welcoming him maybe to glasgow this year. what's been happening there? well, the 1st thing i'd say about that is that, you know, in terms of british forces being in columbia, in any capacity, i assume that they're just simply a supplementary force as a so often the case to a much larger u. s. force. and the u. s. the committed a pretty impressive amount of resources to beating up the columbia armed forces and police in columbia, in the war against arm rebels. and now that war machine, the united states, that the united states helped build up as being on leave against on arm civilian demonstrators in all colombia, major cities. and most of its towns goes back decades. britain, training. i mean,

there's been apparently 2100000 in something called the police innovation. so stabilisation training in columbia and so on. but, but i mean, human rights watch america's director, seriously saying that the scale of the police violence has, there's not been seen in latin america. tell me what you're hearing. that to human rights watch can be saying that the levels of violence can be that, that severe. so the 6 i have come from human rights n g o in columbia, that has been compiling nice. it just extend this started on april 28th and what they have so far, and they tend to be conservative in their numbers because there's a lot and it's not being registered. so they can only go with what's actually been registered. $3405.00 acts of police violence altogether. busy in the space of a month. so right, that's over a 100 a day. there's been 43 homicides that have been committed by members of the police

or civilian, inspiring alongside of police and in coordination with police. there's been 1145 arbitrary arrests. $47.00 people have been blinded in one eye and because the anti riot police are using these tear gas canisters, but then firing them fairly close range of people's heads. and then 22 women have been, as far as i know, it's been all women victims of sexual violence at the hands of the police. will the national police ride around on their motorcycles, terrorizing people and shooting at them as well as the police look like the sort of global cops that used to be featured in science fiction movies? well, the colombian government denies it. we can verify the figures you you've just said, and if you look at the british government website, columbia is a great place for doing business because the world bank is saying is the 35th best

country in the world to do business. just take us back as to why the latest protests of a could and lead to as your and g o claims such a level of extreme violence from the authorities that okay, so the government introduced a regressive tax package that would have really come down are on the official figure that the colombian government has, where the number of people living in poverty is 42.5 percent. and that is for sure, a conservative figure, but at least that many people live in poverty. and a number of them were going to be hit with a whole range of taxes, including taxes on basic staples and then fuel. but then also taxes on their salaries. and as a result of the demick in which, you know, people haven't received any kind of emergency funds of the sort that has been seen elsewhere. people are really, they were frankly, at the edge of survival before the pandemic. and that's why there was a national general strike in 2019, in order to reject regressive tax measures,

which favored multinational corporations and the banking sector. and then visit regressive tax package is, was introduced on top of sort of the free fall disaster. that, that the pandemic is represented for the majority of colombians, poverty shut up 7 percent officially in just one year as a result of this pandemic. so people that the majority of the population lives on the edge of survival. and when people began going without a meal, and so when they saw that they were going to have to pay the fact that they knew they simply couldn't. and that they had to test just in order to survive at the levels that they're at. now, they have also forced the withdrawal because that measure was immediate withdrawn. they've also for the withdrawal of a regressive health care reform measure, which would rebuttal columbia even further along us lines. which is to say,

it's the consumer of healthcare services who ends up paying. you know, the bulk of the entire health care system is set up by the previous route, or anywhere as a means of privatizing existing health care resources that true. it is the case that the system is already largely privatized, and in many regions of the country, the health care sector is run by neo paramilitary mafia. they're involved in guns, trafficking, and cocaine trafficking, and murder and disappearance. see all kinds of barbarity of this. what we've been seeing in the cities happens in the countryside, but because a minority of the population live in the countryside and people or in our lives in the countryside, we rarely hear about now it's happening in the cities and it's being captured on video. but columbia's economic model has led to some of the highest levels of inequality in the entire world. and it's simply not sustainable anymore. and even

kind of international financial agencies like the world bank and the i m f said to the colombian government, coming out of the peace process with the park, the armed rebels in the countryside. this was signed at the end of 2016. coming out of the peace process. the international financial agency said, listen, you have to increase social spending on things like health care and education. the kind of fundamentalist neoliberalism which allows for, you know, only cuts and only are sturdy is not sustainable in the current social climate in columbia. so the colombian government has known for some time that it needed to beef up investment in health care in education. and students have been striking, get greater resources for education, but the state refused to do so. the plan is to continue the privatisation that as you pointed out, will be gone under albert or even when he's president of 2002 to 2010. it's also important to point out that when he was president, according to these new courts, they had been set up to hear these kinds of cases. the special jurisdiction for

peace is what they call these court. according to these courts, there are claims of young men being disappeared by the columbia, an army, in order to boost the body of guerrillas killed him. combat these people were not killed in combat. they were civilians, not guerrillas, and they were disappeared by the army. and then it happened both when george w bush was president, and when obama was president. so this was a systematic practice by the colombian army. when i was president, you, when it comes to latin america, britain, boss johnson hosted one guy do once to overthrow the government of venezuela neighboring country. you're telling me they're all the human rights abuses in a country that is britain's ally. britain has security cooperation, allows arms to be sent there. and of course, it's in the front night of the so called war on drugs. any, any evidence to suggest that all this money from an subsidy from the united states,

from britain from european union countries, is actually aiding cocaine production and cocaine distribution? well, here's, here's the fact of the matter, plan colombia by the united states. it was 1st introduced under clinton and then beat up under bush and essentially continued in, in different guys under obama. ready more than a $1000000000.00 was spent in order to reduce cocaine production by okay, production is that record levels according to the us and other agencies, passive monitoring these things. so in terms of the stated goals, all of the sort of anti drug efforts have failed dramatically. and that makes you wonder if the policy failure has been so dramatic decade after decade and the cocaine treated ap record levels. you know, why is there no room for rethink of those policy?

and i mean, no one thing the motive, because i had a goodly suddenly some of the financial services industry takes cocaine and they're the ones supporting the liberal privatization. presumably his motivation here is, is columbia and norco state under, under this man, even do k. and do you think he's using the current violence to try and call off elections next year? is that, is that what the uptake is about to stop a progressive being elected the, you know, it's difficult because columbia prides itself on a civilian democracy. it only had military dictatorship, but very few period in the 1900 east, throughout the 20th century. and i would be surprised if collections did not block like block work in the sense of, you know, according to the calendar. however, the kinds of slot and why lends that might more those elections as another question altogether. and if we look back to the previous electoral site in the 21st century,

we can certainly see where fraud and violence have played an important role. namely, in electing, i'll believe, as president and reelect in 2006. so i think we can expect that every means possible will be used in order to stop the progressive candidates winning in 202242 percent of the vote in 2018, which was historic, but the columbia left, which has never got about st digits before, and now this has happened and the only response to the government is increased militarization and you know, increase spending on things like tear gas canisters for the ryan police. but it's not working. there's an entire generation which is said, we're not we, they've taken everything from us. we have enough that we don't even have beer anymore because we've been out here for a month and they have been shooting at us and their particular neighborhoods that you can point to and places like hollywood epicenter of this particular nationwide

uprising. and you can see where they're being shot out every night. and so after a month of that, what you have is the generation of young people. ready who have learned to see the state as a war machine on against them, even though they have no weapons. and they're just trying to defend the neighborhoods in which they live. so it's a really dramatic situation and the inter american human rights commission is finally going to be able to get into columbia to investigate some of these things. the vice president and the chancellor of columbia has suggested that that should be a guided visit, a guided tour. she also said in washington that there was only one person missing. in all of this, i disappeared people. and in fact, according to leading and yo, there's 346 people. whereabouts are not accounted for. there have been bodies appearing, tortured and murdered in rivers and elsewhere. so it will be really important to

find out just how many disappeared people there are. but in order for that to happen, there has to be independent human rights investigations, which up until now, colombian government has been unwilling to prove to permit but you can see by the figure used by the vice president chancellor watching. oh, there's only one person missing. oh, you can come check it out. we'll give you a guided tour. the colombian government is essentially in disneyland when it comes to the reaction of the international community to this because the european union, even members of congress in the united states, have been pretty loud and clear about the fact that the bloodshed needs to stop the government needs to marine and it's police force and sit down and negotiate and dialog protestors. and that's of course, with the protests are demanding as well. however, there doesn't seem to be much opposition from the by the white house to what's going on and the u. s. wouldn't be able to restrict both police military to

columbia and could even threaten some sort of economic sanctions as it would with any government considered its enemy. but because columbia is considered the closest ally or one of the closest allies in the hemisphere, the message so far has been rather mixed about police violence and denise stop as well. as the big did meet vice president mother ramirez and said there should be some going to support for, for protest. the colombian government denies all wrong doing, but professor forest help me. thank you very much. thanks very much for having the the show will be back on saturday. 53 is today informing us attorney general presidential candidate, robin kennedy was assassinated in l. a. by palestinian santa hand, allegedly in retaliation. but kennedy's backing for israel and has been denied bro from his california prison ever since, until then he would try social media. and if you're watching on youtube, comic below and know what you think witness and soldiers to columbia. ah

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