ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered 9 peter to the bell? well, it didn't take long days after the shooting by summit the u. k. committed some very under pro magic acts in the block. c will tell you why. also after heated debate, b e u, is proven unable to find a unified voice to engage russia. whose fault is that. i discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, marcus. papa douglas of london. he's a historian analyst, and the author of the new book arrives, rossi, and the return of russia to world politics. and in budapest we cross the jordan,

samuel, we is upon capturing the goggle, which can be found on youtube rumble. and locals are and gentlemen cross, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i was going to london for the mark of, can you explain to me what the u. k is doing him, the black, the, and all of their gobbledygook. explanations for their intrusion in territory waters of russia that russia claims that i know that they the u. k. does not recognize crimea as part of ukraine, but they are russia and, but you know, they have to of 2 different explanations that ukrainian waters, it's international waters. what is it, what are they doing? and it's very and diplomatic. are they looking for a provocation? go ahead, marcus. well, the infamous incidence in russian maritime alters adjacent to the crime in an inch, was evidently a sage, the publication by both britson and america. and i say america as well,

because london and washington act in unison on the international stage. and that is especially the case when it comes to russia. and this stage complication was both for holiday and exceedingly dangerous. now, the question is, why did last london and washington orchestrates this publication of russia? well, i cannot believe that the americans and the british seriously wish to go to russia into a military confrontation with the west because the americans and the british know, as we know, that a military conflict with russia, with rapid growth rapidly escalates into a new killer exchange so it is my opinion that the reason why the british and the americans sage this publication was to portray russia as an aggressive

and dangerous full force. which warrants the increase in a toes presence on the russian border in terms of soldiery and weaponry. and also, it warrants the case for ukraine to be admitted into the ranks of nato. the british government official line, but they do not recognize the crimea as part of russia and therefore h m and defend the rule may be short. shipping both and the incident was in ukrainian. alters is, is an logical and quite simply untenable argument to make. because if the, if that argument was applied across the world, then other countries in the world could no longer recognize the british jurisdiction over the north or north and island, or british jurisdiction over the mouth, venus, or the food from diamonds. or indeed, british jurisdiction over by the change those islands. so the real reason the boss

to go to russia to portray russia in a very negative, dangerous way to justify nato is increasing dangerous prisons on the russian. and also to increase the case for ukraine to be admitted into georgia. we all know that the lee and the, i guess the manual seabreeze exercises are bland. but this week here was this a trial balloon to see what the reaction was going to be. also, we have a british getting so close to a russian sovereign border on the crimea in the black sea is that it was a reconnaissance mission as well, seeing what kind of depends are there. and so, i mean that there's provocation written all over the go ahead. yes, there was a provocation. and with our question, it is about trying to humiliate roster and to mobilize

nato into more, more expenditure, more reasons for existence, more expansion. and, but i think also there is a domestic aspect to it, which is the, i mean, the bar is johnson government is in a hopeless tappers, and we have its minutes. the map and coffee resigning this weekend over a situation where he was violating his own cobit restrictions. we know we have johnson counting his supposedly global britain, whereby britain now has a major world's power and has a role to play in the world. when of course, it is complete nonsense because britain is not a serious player on the world stage. and one did in,

in promoting russia was clearly absolutely ludicrous just on his face because of the rationale that it has come up with such as a well, this was innocent passage when it was but which even when you look at it, just in terms of what the un convention of law, the c says innocent passage does not apply to a war ship that is causing through territorial waters locked and loaded. and the engage in the propaganda exercised, johnson openly said, this is a propaganda exercise to show that these waters don't belong to russia, but belong to your great propaganda exercise. and moreover, russia have already explicitly stated in april of this year that there is to be no innocent passage in the crime in that way to say that in april. so this was months before johnson comes along with this month and that's oh,

this was innocent passage and just going from a to b. so i go back to your original question. as you know, i think britain is trying to throw its weight around in the world, but is making itself into an absolute laughing stock. and unfortunately, because britain doesn't have a proper opposition, where is the labor party? there's no one really holding johnson's feet to the fire as to why exactly is he getting breton involved, potentially into very serious military conflict with nuclear power in markets. at the end of the day, i mean, it was an attempt to humiliate russia, but it was the u. k. that was humiliated. i mean, this was the self inflicted wounds. i mean, they read like they, they turned around and ran away. okay. and they, and of course, in the media coverage of it, you know, russia, there was a, a warning shop. they were planes involved in the a far as i understand that you can't, government denied all of it. but none of that is true. would actually all have go

ahead marcus page. so 1st of all, i must say this, i c, h, able to not dismiss britain in the world who is at the heart along with the americans of the banking of the global banking system and the global financial system. britain, in particular, specifically the city of london arisen is an exceptionally powerful global player in about doing the same thing. i think that if i could interpret george's words and he can jump in obviously to me and the u. k. is making itself relevant diplomatically, militarily on the coattails, have been a change which, where i want to talk about a little bit later here. i think that's the context you're right. i mean, i'm not knowing the dismissing of the city of london. okay. but i mean, of course do use your own words. they never would have done this with the americans and agreed. yes, absolutely. the american military had in georgia. yes, i mean the americans provide the military muscle,

but of course has traditionally brenton is at the heart of the global financial banking system. now as regards to nato, well, i believe that made so expansion into eastern europe has come to a halt perhaps made. so we'll expand into se in europe, specifically, serbia, i'm both in the regards to the senior. it has come to an end. why do i say that? because the kremlin will use all means at its disposal. i mean, all means that its disposal to ensure that you train is never admitted into the ranks of nato, but i believe h miss defend the been deployed international maritime borders. does show that the british and the americans fail in boulders because britain never recognized the states only left the uranium of the soviet union. yet none of them london never

violated the soviet maritime waters adjacent to the baltic states. and let me add this one of a point pizza, the british roll in a late instead of the polio, the royal navy to see, to go to gotcha, should actually deploy the royal navy in full strength to the english channel to defend england from illegal immigrants crossing on a daily basis from kelly, about the british people, by the way, they with the chloe, the goal navy, to well long on the program i need to really does have an important mission. only one single one defend european immigration is one of an anti terrorism. and other, but there was a way down on the list. apparently george, you want to jump in go ahead. yes or no, i don't. i don't disagree with margaret about the key role of british finance in the, in the world. but as a military power, britain is insignificant. i mean, we've seen how feebly britain has fought in recent years. i mean it's,

it's military performance and iraq was a joke. so any attempt by britain in ukraine or in the black sea to get itself into some sort of a military conflict with russia will end in a complete debacle birth. and i mean, this is, and that's, i think, very different from the united states or the united states is a serious military. both of great britain is not a serious military fall. and that's why i think johnson's idea that the great britain is the global britain is, i'm sort of a major power in the world, is completely misconceived. rapidly was part of what to ask you both. the same question mark is here in, you know, you can interpret the, the recent content biden's summit in many different ways. george and i have been in different venue are gaggle. but i mean, is this under mining any possibility of

a kind of a lowering tension? because that's one interpretation you can take from the summit, marcus 1st, and i'm going to go ahead real quick. no, i don't believe that if i mean is to be an improvement in relations between russia and the west. then the old, so to speak is found in the course of the west, but nato needs to withdrew its presence from the russian order. the americans need to pledge invited that ukraine and georgia will not be admitted into the rank. and also the americans need to dismantle missile defense system in poland and romania. unless that happens, there will be no improvements in relation to russia. your answer george, go ahead. yeah, no, i think that's right. but i don't think there's any real prospect of improving relations with russia unless nature makes significant changes. nato will not make the changes. but, and i think there are countries such as great britain that thrive on tension with

russia. it elevate the significance and suddenly you can play around being the sort of the big player in the, on the world stage. so johnson simply does not want any kind of a day tone, because then, you know, his role in the world is much the minute. it's not a money maker is again, not all right, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break enough about your community work discussion and some important news. stay the ah news . oh, when i was the wrong, when all just don't the rules. yes. to shape out the thing

to come after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground in the you know, provision on my back on i was like, i was lucky you lucky your so you'll have a lost his bus because i just got any of you just got to read you, we will be on monday. my tell my daughter, but the failure so i said, you know what? it was you're not my pull up. i got my almost what did i'm already whatever sped up . i read me just go to me. i mean, it was, i don't know, what can we tell you? i went up and i mean, thoroughly heels. i just couldn't get on to say that it's fitted to handle that one

of this, but i was like, obviously this is what it is on. wheels came on my side and we can go to kind of home, i just put it in the west and the total thing with you and your team, samantha katie. yeah, my thought a lot of problem. you just gotta go to join me every 1st day on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world . the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me the welcome x across that are all things are considered. i'm here labelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real news. i

okay, gentlemen, let's change gears is going to go back to george and in budapest. well, you know, be there is a strobe out there that the russians are always trying to divide members, bates of the e. u conquering divide and all that back when the e u to get together and on the back of a strong congestion from the german chancellor and the french president to start a dialog on any specific issues with russia. they pointed to the vote and you know, what happened? no consensus here. the russians are left. what do we talk to? you want to talk? who do we talk to? and that's the, that's where we stand right now. do you see that george? because it looks like, you know, the, the germans and the french want to move forward. but of course, it's the, the polls and the baltic states that do not want to is what actually want more things. and i mean, this is just turning the use policy towards rush into a pretzel. go ahead george. yes. well, it's of the poland in bold estate,

but it's also use a bar l, the u foreign minister, so to speak. remember, he was by the you council to come up with a working paper as to future your relations with russia. precisely because from germany, you know, probably it's really once a working relationship with russia and then borrow comes up with this ridiculous paper about 10 days ago. which he talks about constrained and pushed back and engage with russia engage only issue the matter that the, you know, anything that my mother, roger, so that's bar l who seems to be completely stuck in the mindset of rushing that level and was so you got what is really going on in the you, the serious bows in the just bronze german and it's really say we have to reads

what, what was the status quo and the 2014 working partnership with russia. and then you got the, you, your office, the name of morale and the news about the, the baltics and, and poland. just one more sanction. and the end result is out. we're going to have well, sanctions that means position. now in, we're going to be working towards developing more sanctions. no one quite knows what about what, but the rest of the most sanctions needed because i'm glad you're trying to a few 1014 because because that's, of course on the back of the illegal force presume change in ukraine, which for some reason is blamed on russia and so we have this, you know, we have going on 7 years now. why should the russians really particularly care? i mean, if you don't want a job, i mean what, why should they keep waiting around? i mean, this has been my position for a long time, but you don't want to parlay been get along,

get on with your life will getting on get on with ours. we live in the same neighborhood, but if you don't want to be good neighborly, then what's the point, what, why should russia have to reach out the ball is in europe court. okay. and they need that relationship with russia, russian, the need to relationship with the europe less in less with every passing day. that's my contention. at least go ahead markers, trying to you expansion into the politic states, into eastern europe and into south east and europe. the you true me was a force to be reckoned with. it was an exceptionally affluent, elite club whose members would be exceptional. greed made an immense amount of money. however, the use of leadership, overstretched themselves, when they admitted to the states, eastern europe, and se you're into the rights of the you. they never consider the consequences.

actual consequences could have been countries such as poland and the states inside of the us. and now today we see a fossil situation in which a minority of members of the you holding so ransom the rest of the you visa, free russia, b a, you. and i mean specifically the major countries from germany, but also italy and spain. and then also such as hungry and greece, want to have relations with russia. in fact, they want to go back to how relations were prior to the crew in kit, in february, 2014. the european union is handicapped. it is handicapped because of the behavior of poland and the baltic states. and i don't see how parents can actually get around that now because yes, the french and the germans have very strong financial relations with russia. so

also to spain and italy, in particular, the agricultural sectors in spain, them, it's really no longer to able to export their projects to the russian federation as they once were trying to be use functions on russia. so be you or the leadership of the you only have itself to blame. i haven't expanded into parts of europe, which were always going to be problematic. i did not strategically plan for countries such as poland and the state. and now, as i said, moments ago, be you in regard to its relationship with russia has become handicapped because poland and the 2 states do not wish to be any improvements between the you and why? because they are constantly portrayed. russia has a french. so the whole of your and thereby they obviously even be from more

financial assistance from america and also even more soldiery and weaponry automated so on their respective territories. george so, so obviously b, u isn't making any headway here. what are the benefits, the country like colon and the baltic republics gardner from this position? simply because the any kind of spike and they want to spike for historical cultural window, ideological reason, the entire block suffers. and as i say, every time i do cross up, the world is moving on europe. if you want to tread water, go right ahead because everybody else is moving forward. i mean, this is just the most ridiculous situation have. it's like dealing with children in the cafeteria. go ahead and calculation is, well, we'll, we will have washington in our walnut will be there for us. you know, we know about the united states,

united states shell out money or something really big in it or the united states. and i mean, when trump said ok, well we're going to move troops out of germany. i move them into poland and then as oh, great, you know, we'll call it for trump and everything within that will materialize as always happens with these american promises, they never really materialize. and it's true as a marker sandwiches that there was a moment in history when the you was, i got and it was serious the falls. you know, you have the hawkish, very russell oh, big united state. and then you had the you, which had good relations with america, but also sold a partnership with russia and much, it was a little the breaks in energy in the u. k. came from, i wish your political big as a oh my god, you that we're members. all,

it's going to become an american and it's going to become neutral, isn't going to be pro russian. we can't be a part of this because we have somebody saying this trans atlantic a ryan, it hasn't happened. and then the e u now is ludicrous position, is like even more hawkish if anything of the united states. yeah. and it's very interesting with the, with since break that here we have obviously the u. k. out. and now they've gone in some kind of like the u. k is kind of the i can find them like america's help around the world. we discussed in the 1st part of the program going into the black, the maybe doing it for the showing their value. ok. because their influence obviously over the lease diplomatically as non existent anymore. so, i mean, and now we have a small number of countries within the u, dictating the direction of it. and,

and i would say that the in the u. k. is role is it's more symbolic than anything else. i mean, the symbolism is really humiliating. every step of the way here and then you have paralysis in europe. so again, i repeat my position, why should the russians particularly care if they are good, they need to do with counter nato. the rest of it is internal injury and european problem. go ahead markers. what is lamentable pizza is when britain finally withdrew from the european union. there was, i'm perhaps this is a minuscule window of opportunity for an improvement between the european union, russia, because britain was in the country such as france and germany was come under more and more pressure in directly from america via britain. however, we have seen no improvements in relation between the you and russia. indeed,

i regard as far to say relation has deteriorated even further, so far in 2021. and we have to ask the question, why? well, i think to a very large extent, it comes down to the immense influence that washington exert inside of the european union, not just economy, but also militarily. why? because most of the european union member states, also crucially, members of nato. and if mac countries are members of nato, ben back provides america with a tremendous amount of influence over the decision making process in those respective countries. but also in law can i'm talking about the european union as a whole. so i believe that was paris lynn. sincerely want to have dialogue with russia sincerely wants to be able to trade properly with russia. again,

they are hamstrung by the very fact that they are both members of nato and because they are not able to eliminate american influence european union. i mean, it is remembered during pump, you know, disregarding of disrespecting allies, but actually what we have to buy, which is continuation of other minutes patients, the more may leis inside the european union, the better. okay. i mean, one way to treat your allies. ok when they are in, they have a paralysis, they can even make their own policy. and of course i with market works, washington advantage. you're great. i was there in paralysis. you know what a, what a bizarre way of looking at the world finish up or it's go. yeah, that's right. remember trump line was, oh my god, we're doing all this. we your, of the such ungrateful people, you know, they don't, you know, they don't realize all the wonderful things that we're doing for them. and so in

the stabbing is in the back. and then when my grow suggested, well, maybe there should be your be in security and identity. it was, you had to go mind, no one forward into friends, nato. and this is always been the american thing. i have to jump in here. we've run out of the thing i guess in london in washington dc. and i remember the ah, i still think the cops right on police report on december 2020 a group of anti finishes. fill out a film crew access for 3 months. 3rd row like people, organization, it's an idea that must be opposed that channel out the gate route. they make their

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