me the news news. i hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things considered 9? peter labelle. well, it didn't take long days after the shooting bio summit. the u. k. committed some very under pro magic acts in the black sea will tell you why. also after heated debate, b e u, is proven unable to find the unified voice to engage russia. whose fault is that. i can

discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, marcus, about the double it's of london. he's a historian analyst, an author of the new book, arise, rusty, and the return of russia to world politics. and in budapest we cross the jordan, samuel, we is a podcast, or in the gaggle which can be found on youtube rumble. and locals are and gentlemen, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i was going to london 1st mark as can you explain to me what the u. k is doing him, the black, the, and all of there are gobbledygook. explanations for their intrusion in territory waters of russia that russia claims. but i know that they the u. k. does not recognize crimea as part of ukraine, but they are russia and, but you know, they have to of 2 different explanations. is ukrainian waters. it's international water is what is that, what are they doing? and it's very and diplomatic. are they looking for a provocation? go ahead, marcus. well, the infamous incidents in russian maritime alters adjacent to the crime. in an inch,

le was evidently a sage, the publication by both britain and america. and i say america as well, because london and washington acts in unison on the international stage. and that is especially the case when it comes to russia. and this stage complication was both foolhardy and exceedingly dangerous. now, the question is, why did last london and washington orchestrates this publication of russia? well, i cannot believe that the americans and the british seriously wish to go to russia into a military confrontation with the west. because the americans and the british know, as we know, that a military conflict with russia, with rapid growth rapidly escalates into

a new killer exchange. so it is my opinion that the reason why the british and the americans staged this provocation was to portray russia as an aggressive and dangerous full force, which warrants the increase in nato's presence on the russian border in terms of soldiery and weaponry. and also, it warrants the case for ukraine to be admitted into the ranks of nato, the british governments official line, but they do not recognize the crimea as part of russia, and therefore h immense. defend the rule, may be sure. shipping both in the incidents. what in ukrainian alters is, is an logical and quite simply untenable argument to make. because if the, if that argument was applied across the world, then other countries in the world could no longer recognize british jurisdiction

over the north or north, an island or british jurisdiction over the mouth, venus, or food from diamonds, or indeed british jurisdiction over the shade. those islands, so the real reason was to go russia to portray russia in a very negative, dangerous way to justify nato is increasing dangerous prisons on the russian buddha. and also to increase the case for ukraine to be admitted into georgia. we all know that the lee and the, i guess, daniel seabreeze, ma exercises are bland for this week. here. it's a trial balloon to see what the reaction is going to be. also, we have a british him getting so close to a russian sovereign border on the crimea in the black sea is that it was a reconnaissance mission as well, seeing what kind of depends are there. and so,

i mean that there's provocation written all over the go ahead. yes, there was a provocation. and with our question, it is about trying to humiliate roster and to mobilize nato into more, more expenditure, more reasons for existence, more expansion. and, but i think also there is a domestic aspect to it, which is the, i mean, the bar is johnson government is in the hopeless tappers and we have its minutes, the map and coffee resigning this weekend over a situation where he was violating his own cobra. restrictions, we know we have johnson counting his supposedly global britain, where by britain now has a major world power and has

a role to play in the world. when, of course, it is complete nonsense because a britain is not a serious player on the world stage. and one of britain did in the, in promoting russia was clearly absolutely ludicrous just on his face because of the, the rationale that it has come up with, such as a well, this was innocent passage when it was, which, even when you look at it, just in terms of what the un convention of law the see says, the innocent passage does not apply to a war ship that costing through territorial waters locked and loaded. and the engage in the propaganda exercised, johnson openly said, this is a propaganda exercise to show that these waters don't belong to russia, but belong to your grades of the propaganda exercise. and moreover, russia have already explicitly stated in april of this year that there is to be no

innocent passage in the crime in that debate. they said that in april, so this was months before johnson comes along with this month. and that's how this was in a passage we're just going from a to b. so i go back to your original question is or, you know, i think britain is trying to throw its weight around in the world, but is making itself into an absolute laughing stock. and unfortunately, because britain doesn't have a proper opposition, let me. where is the labor party? there's no one really holding johnson's feet to the fire as to why exactly is it getting breton involved, potentially, into very serious military conflict with nuclear power in markets. at the end of the day, i mean, it was an attempt to humiliate russia, but it was the cave was humiliated. i mean, this was the self inflicted wounds. i mean, they ran late and they, they turned around and ran away. okay. and they of course, in the media coverage of it, you know, russia, there was a,

a warning shop there were claims involved in the a far as i understand that you government denied all of it, but none of that is true. it actually all happened. go ahead marcus page. so 1st of all, i must say this, i c, h, able to not dismiss britain in the world who is at the heart, along with the americans of the bank in the global ankin system and the global financial system. britain in particular, specifically the city of london origin is an exceptionally powerful global player in about doing the thing i want. i think that if i could interpret george's words and he can jump in obviously to, i mean the u. k is making itself relevant diplomatically, militarily on the coattails of the united states, which we want to talk about a little bit later here. i think that's the context you're right. i mean, i'm not knowing dismissing the city of london, okay. but i mean, of course,

do use your own words, they never would have done this with the americans had agreed. yes, absolutely. the american military in georgia. yeah, i mean the americans provide the military muscle, but of course, traditionally britain is at the heart of the global financial banking system. now, as regards to nato, well, i believe that mates or expansion into eastern europe has come to a halt perhaps made. so we'll expand into south face and europe, specifically, serbia, i'm both. but as regards to eastern europe, it has come to an end. why do i say that? because the kremlin will use all means at its disposal. i mean means that its disposal to ensure that ukraine is never admitted into the ranks of nato, but i believe h miss defend the been deployed into russian maritime borders. does show that the

british and the americans fail in boulders because britson never recognized the state to the stone, the left, the range of the soviet union, yet nonetheless in london, never violated soviet maritime walters adjacent to the baltic states. and let me add this one of a point pizza, the british rule in a late instead of the polio, the royal navy, to the black sea to go and russia should actually deploy the royal navy in full strength to the english channel to defend england from illegal immigrants crossing on a daily basis from kelly. if they have about the british people where they would deploy the navy to well, long on this program. i mean, nature really does have an important mission. only one single one defend european immigration is one of an anti terrorism and other, but those are way down on the list. apparently george, you want to jump in, go ahead. yes or no, i don't. i don't disagree with marcus about the key role of british finance

in the, in the world. but as a military power, a britain is insignificant. i mean, we've seen how feebly britain has fought in recent years. i mean it's, it's military performance and iraq was a joke. so any attempt by britain in ukraine or in the black sea to get itself into some sort of a military conflict. but russia was ending a complete debacle birth. and i mean this is, and that's, i think, very different from the united states or the united states. is a serious military board of great britain is not as there is a military force. and that's why i think johnson's idea that the great britain is the global britain is, as i'm sort of a major power in the world, is a completely misconceived rapidly was part of what to ask you both. the same question mark is here in, you know, you can interpret the,

the recent biden's summit in many different ways. and george and i have been in different venue are gaggle. but i mean, is this undermining any possibility of kind of lowering tension because that's one interpretation you can take from the summit marcus 1st, and i'm going to go ahead real quick. you know, i don't believe that if i mean is to be an improvement in relations between russia and the west, then the old, so to speak is fine. i mean, the color of the west. but when i made so nice to withdrew its presence from the russian buddha, the americans need to pledge inviting that ukraine over and georgia will not be admitted into the right. and also the americans need to dismantle missile defense system in poland and romania. unless that happens, there will be no improvement in relation between western russia. your answer george, go ahead. yeah, no, i think that's right. i don't think there's any real prospect of improvement or relations or russia unless nature makes the significant changes. nato will not make

the changes. but, and i think there are countries such as great britain that thrive on tension with russia. it elevate the significance and suddenly you can play around being the sort of the big player in the, on the world stage. so johnson said that does not want any kind of a day tone, because then, you know, his role in the world is much the minute. it's not a money maker in general, then. not all right, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break enough about your community work discussion and some important news. stay the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders, given it by human beings. accept where's the shorter the conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence.

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okay gentlemen. which change gears is coming back to george and in budapest. well, you know, be there is this strobe out there that the russians are always trying to divide members based of the e. u conquering divide and all that back when the you get together on the back of a strong suggestion from the german chancellor and the french president to start a dialog on any specific issues with russia. they pointed to the boat and you know, what happened? no consensus here, the russians are left. what do we talk to? you want to talk? who do we talk to? and that's the, the, that's where we stand right now. do you see that george? because it looks like, you know, the germans and the french want to move forward. but of course, it's the, the polls in the baltic states they do not want to is what actually want more things. i mean, this is just turning the policy towards rush into a practical. go ahead. george. yes. well, it's of the bowling in bold estate, but it's also use a barrel, the you foreign minister,

so to speak remedy. he was tall by the e. you council to come up with a working paper as huge as your relations with russia, precisely because from germany, you know, probably italy, once a working relationship with russia and then borrow comes up with this ridiculous paper about a week 10 days ago, which he talks about constrained and pushed back and engage with russia engage only on the issue that matter that the, you know, one anything that my mother, roger, so that's for l who seems to be completely stuck in the mindset of russia. the malevolent was. so you got what is really going on in the you the serious powers in the just bronze german in italy say we have to was what,

what was the status go and say that was 2014 a working partnership with russia. and then you got the, you bureaucracy, the name of morale, and then in the baltics and, and poland was just one more sanction. and the, the end result is out. we're going to have more sanctions. that means position. now we're going to be working towards developing more sanctions. no one quite knows what about what, but rest assured, most sanctions are needed. i'm glad you're dried out 2014 because because that's, of course, on the back of the illegal force regime change in ukraine, which for some reason is blamed on russia. and so we have this, you know, we have going on 7 years now. why should the russians really particularly care? i mean, you don't want to be what, why should they keep waiting around? i mean, this has been my position for a long time. if you don't want to parlay, then get along, get on with your like, well,

getting get on with ours. we live in that same neighborhood. if you don't want to be good neighborly, then what's the point, what, why should russia have to reach out the ball is in europe court. okay. and they need that relationship with russia. russian, the need to relationship with europe less and less with every passing day. that's my contention, at least go ahead, mark client, you expansion into the politic states, into eastern europe, and in the south east and europe. the true me was a folks to be reckoned with. it was an exceptionally affluent elite club whose members, with the exception of greece and portugal, made an immense amount of money. however, the use of leadership, overstretched themselves, when they admitted the baltic states, eastern europe, and se you're into the rights of the you. they never consider the consequences. potential consequences could be have in countries such as poland and the politic

states inside of the us. and now today we see a fossil situation in which a minority of members of the you holding. so ransom the rest of the you visa 3, russia, b, a, you and i mean specifically the major countries from germany, but also italy and spain, and then also such as hungry and greece want to have relations with russia. in fact, they want to go back to how relations were prior to the crew in kit, in february, 2014. the european union is handicapped. it is handicapped because of the behavior of poland and the baltic states. and i don't see how parents can actually get around that now because yes, the french and the germans have very strong financial relations with russia. a so

also to spain and italy in particular, the agricultural sectors in spain, them, it's really i'm no longer to i'm no longer able to export their projects to the russian federation as they once were trying to be used functions on. so the you or the leadership of the you only have itself to blame. i haven't expanded into part so your, which we're always going to be problematic. i did not strategically plan for countries such as poland and artic state. and now as i said, moments ago, the you in regard to its relationship with russia has become handicapped because poland and the politics do not wish to be any improvements between the you and why? because they are constantly portraying russia as a friend. so the whole of your and thereby they obviously even even more financial

assistance from america and also even more soldiery and weaponry ultimate, so on their respective territories george so, so obviously b, u isn't making any headway here. what are the benefits that countries like colon and the baltic republics gardener from this position? simply because the any kind of spike and they want to spike for historical cultural window, ideological reason, the entire block suffers. and as i say, every time i do cross up, the world is moving on europe. if you want to tread water, go right ahead because everybody else is moving forward. i mean, this is just the most ridiculous situation have. it's like dealing with children in the cafeteria, go ahead and that calculation is, well, we'll, we will have washington in our walnut will be there. or as we know about the united states, united states, to shell out money or something really big in it or the live state. and i mean,

when trump said ok, well we're going to move troops out of germany. i move them into poland and then as oh, great, you know, we'll call it for trump and everything within that will materialize as always happens with the american promises. they never really materialized and is through a mocker sandwiches. that there was a moment in history when the e you was, i got and it was serious balls. you know, you had the hawkish, very russell oh, big united state. and then you had, you know, which had good relations with america, but also sold a partnership with russia and much, it was one of the breaks in energy in the u. k. came from i which political big as, as a oh my god, you the win, members all, it's going to become the american and he's going to become neutral,

isn't going to be pro russian. we can't be a part of this because we have to say this trans atlantic a ryan, it hasn't happened. and then the e u now is ludicrous division is like even more hawkish if anything of the united states. yeah. and it's very interesting with the, with since break the here we have obviously the u. k. out. and now they've gone in some kind of like the u. k. is kind of the camp on them right for american health, around the world we discussed in the 1st part of the program going into the black, the maybe doing it for the showing their value. ok. because their influence obviously over the lease diplomatically as non existent anymore. so, i mean, and now we have a small number of countries within the u, dictating the direction of it. and, and i would say that the in the u. k. is role is it's more symbolic than anything

else. i mean, the symbolism is really humiliating. every step of the way here and then you have paralysis in europe. so again, i repeat my position, why should the russians particularly care if they are good, they need to do with counter nato. the rest of it is internal injury and european problem. go ahead markers. what is lamentable pizza is when britain finally withdrew from the european union. there was, i'm perhaps this is a minuscule window of opportunity for an improvement between the european union and russia. because it was, britain was in the country such as france and germany would come under more and more pressure in directly from america via britain. however, we have seen no improvements in relations between the you and russia. indeed, i regard response to say relation has deteriorated even further,

so far in 2021. and we have to ask the question, why? well, i think to a very large extent it comes down to the immense influence that washington exert inside of the european union. not just economy, but also militarily. why? because most of the european union member states are also crucially, members of nato. and if mac countries are members of nato, ben back provides america with a tremendous amount of influence over the decision making process in those respective countries. but also in a blog, and i'm talking about the european union as a whole. so i believe if i was paris, i'm sincerely want to have dialogue with russia. sincerely wants to be able to trade properly with russia. again,

they are hamstrung by the very fact that they are both members of nato and because they are not able to eliminate american influence european union. i mean, it is remembered during disregarding disrespecting the allies, but actually what we haven't to buy, which is continuation of other administrations, the more may leis inside the european union, the better. okay. i mean, one way to treat your allies, ok when they're in, they have all the paralysis, they can even make their own policy. and of course i agree with mark is that it works. the washington advantage. you're great. now i are in paramus and you know, whatever, whatever bizarre way of looking at the world finish up or it's. yeah, that's right. remember trump line was, oh my god, we're doing all this. we europe's, and the such ungrateful people, you know, they don't, you know, they don't realize all the wonderful things that we're doing for them. and so in the stabbing is in the back. and then when my grow suggested,

well maybe there should be your be in security and identity. why are you? i don't mind not resorting one call. it depends nato. and this is always been the american thing. i have to jump in. he would run out of the thing i guess in london in washington dc. and i remember the the, me i the, the, the i don't think they can't ride on police report in december 2020

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