ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered a funeral about the communist party in china celebrated it's 100 anniversary last week. it made it clear it will no longer tolerate being lectured by the west. is this a new red line also in the aftermath of the me by the summit? is it fair to say the washington inter agency consensus is winning again the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess. jordan sent me willie in budapest. he's a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube rumble and locals. and here in

moscow were joined by to me. bob, she's a political analyst and editor at you know me internet media project or gentleman cross top rules in effect, that means you can jump in time and i always appreciate it. ok, let's go to my 1st hearing in moscow. it was a lot of media coverage about diem of the $100.00 anniversary, the birthday party of the communist party in china. and it was a mixed bag. what would one would expect? but what, what struck me very much about it for a communist party. it was not remarkably, an ideological in many ways. of course, there was lip service being paid to market when it is, but it was really much about the, the physical real achievements of an organization known as the communist party of china. and it wasn't necessarily because of socialism, it is because of the party. what were your thoughts? well, i share your impression and i would say that it was very important that the stress was on respect to history. i mean, at the moment when in canada, they just roy,

the monument for green victoria, because of something that happened after she left office there because of these terrible deaths of that nature population to each other was when the story personally had no relation whatsoever in the area where we can, you know, excess s o b o our movement in the united states. china is stress in respect to history and not only the communist period or his dream, but also the preceding month. this is very important and that makes china and much less ideological state than i'm sorry, the united states and the european union member countries in their present condition. i mean the worst thing about the 30 day and is, is this destruction of history, child? yes, your history a when you know your view characters from the 19th or even the 18th

century and by today's ice, in that sense, china now is a much less idea what state than most of the west georgia. wait, wait on that because president she, when he was giving his speech on gentlemen square, the symbolism was really quite obvious. he was what he appeared very much like, wow, i mean, in the car right there. but again, you know that there's that contrast. i mean, you've been, you have the symbolism, but the me of the cup of the, the words the and the ideas that he was trying to express was achievement. okay. and of course, obviously this was a cheer leading for the communist party with the inspect no less. but nonetheless, it was more about the than cod rays of the party that the caliber of their people. and the chinese feature is key top. i mean,

this is one of the things that you and i've talked about before socialism with chinese features, but i guess my impression is it's a lot more chinese features, but it is those 2 of them, which of course i think it's misunderstood in the west. go ahead, george. well, that's a very interesting issue because there was a stark contrast between the rhetoric, which was a celebration of the talking party, the party about the parts of his speech. read like something that you would have read in the soviet union in the $900.00. the guiding for the review relation of the nation is the responsibility of the party. you know, they cannot be any china without the market. but as you say is the media, logical content seems to be very nebulous, but they talk about socialism. but whenever there's no attempt to define what they mean by social socialism with chinese characteristic, there's also very little by way of self criticism. and again, that's different from the soviet experience because i go, yeah, i mean china,

so the great deal over the last. yes. what about before and we have greatly forward because we have china mile cultural revolution and only calamity. it's very interesting what they've done. i mean the soviet they kind of been told that a fall and they demonized solid but they kind of want to retain many of the beaches . the fall in the created none of course. they got themselves into trouble doing any shopping in the fall and it was very difficult. the chinese never really like the soviet bid with style. and i mean i that was because of the beginning of that risk between the 2. but for instance, i mean here the chinese, so if you say you look right now, they celebrate mildly, he's on a great heroes. wow. you know, lou shout, she thinks about joe and lie. so they want to retain,

but continue is a little, they're completely robust. they're the policies of mile and the founders of the revenue in when they were talking about them and their move towards capital. as i think it was shopping, it said it doesn't. it doesn't matter what the color of the, the cat is, as long as it catches mice. ok. and i think that that stands today, a demon. also a very important was this and looking at it, you know, we've been watching china's rise for our entire lifetime here. and i can, i remember, you know, you would hear words from the chinese foreign ministry that china is concerned about something when you and i. and george may throw around the word concerned in a rather cavalier way. but when the chinese that they were concerned about something, it means they were really upset about something and worried that is completely out of the window. now that is gone. i mean, the speech that she gave was bomb bass dick. i mean,

something that's what surprised me more than anything else, not any policy preferences or directions. just the rhetoric itself that was very much out of tune with what we traditionally gotten used to coming out of the chinese leadership. your thoughts? well, it's not only china, it's asia in general. i mean, the traditional western view that asia is the place for which the whole barrier should have been that they can europe, look at the rhetoric, the sonnets, or what your collective security, treat your organization, you know, look at their rhetoric, assignments, or shot high cooperation organization there is never something that you would hear an old in the summits. you know, that face country is a trap. you know, ration is a threat. trying is a threat. you know, they are creating systemic challenges for our situation. you know, the east, it's all was very peaceful. the 1st thing that c s, joe,

remember say when the writer is doing is, organization is not directed against any other country. and that's the major change them the last your 30 years. and in general, i understand the sum of all of yours may, may doubt what they said. the western countries are now a lot more. i do apologize that china lake and i can confirm it by a very simple example. one of the features over in georgia is ation is, what did you say sion of sports channels or is, is a political to right for that, that, that is there in countries. so just, you know, an article from the grow by someone named coughlin and bought a ukraine, making it to the finals for a current you, ukraine was very existence is all the cost of threat from its powerful russian neighbor, your greatest qualification for the quote. the final, so euro 2020 is a big 30 points. it demonstrates how sporting pro is going to be a po for,

and you don't to, to re go behavior and a boat. but i mean, out of the bridge for under started, you know, if the so if you blown the championship starting to say something like this shows, you know, then their, their advantages of what to say about another country. another you qualify for the quote, the finals. it's just too much for starting a brand new, but also for my know, one of them ever descended to such to be it was did. but it's, it's george, it's kind of an interesting story that i hadn't thought about bringing sports into it. but nonetheless, but here we are a but, you know, in looking is that she is speech. it was much more the achievement of the chinese people as much as it is china, the chinese communist party. because it seems to me, you know, we don't use it in your everyday pounds, but you know, the way i would that the communist party is kind of the veneer of civilization. and

i think this is very much how the chinese look at it. ok, because there is civilizational force and we have to remind our viewers that they look at it as returning to their proper place in the world. see in the west. they don't see it that way. because the west is that he gemini, for the last 500 years, that is being tested right now. even challenge, go ahead. yes, yes, that's a very good point. but i think gee, is facing a problem and i think you realize of the problem, but it's only taking 50 years for china to emerge from the sort of terrible state it was. then when nixon visited it in 1972 very impoverished, backward place. suddenly, if the number 2 economy in the world could well overtake the united states in the very near future. now, if you look through the world, you get to really g realizes that the united states isn't going to just accept that

lying down. i mean that's why that is a definitely a challenge for. busy disease, and you can see that there is a certain anxiety in his speech that you know, we are being threatened by the west and that's a serious issue because, you know, the united states as enjoyed. this standing since 945, the number one power in the world level and military power in the morning cannot make found. number one financial about it dominates all the global institutions. all that is being challenged by china, in the way that the soviet union in the cold war, never able to. and it could we have, this is what we talk about. it could be that united states will just simply be overtaken by all the a o c's and black lives matter and just simply fade away. all the united states will somehow go in and die and military zation mode and try to deal with china. we

don't know, but it's, it's just a, it's a serious challenge now is an interesting point and i thought the also actually be kind of the chinese were kind of signaling where they thought was fair. again. ok, you cannot make the rivalry and competition fine. ok. even military, you know, you know, where we're going to draw our red lines because you payments, we always have your read why we have them to buy things like human rights and things like that. they're saying no, that is no point of discussion whatsoever. i mean, he didn't do it, but i'm very, i will be expect very soon that she will be quoting secretary said, link at his remarks in anchorage here, but it seemed like a much delineation. it's like game ok, go ahead. george. finish that for yeah, that's right. and i think the game is, but precisely in the areas that are important to china, which taiwan, hong kong gene james and there the united states is challenging it. i mean that's

all part of. busy the problem, again, the cultural, informational and military war, the united states is waging china and therefore it is going to be a serious issue. what exactly does the states in busy government ribbon on the part of the problem? or we're going to take a short break break. we'll continue one session on some real estate over the ah, the ah,

join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guests in the world. the politics sport, business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the welcome. are all things considered? peter, this is the home edition demand you were discussing some real news. i

ok. just go back to here in moscow. you know, over the last 6 months of the buy in ministration. it's really quite remarkable in many ways is that, you know, we were buying was presented to us as the anti trump. but as time passes, it's quite remarkable the continuity and the contrast, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. donald trump famously said, well, it would be good to get along with russia. remember that and, and now you have biden, you know, he's basically saying the same thing without using the same words, okay? and then we'll put that marker aside for a 2nd. and now the, i was going to say your vacuum, but the departure from afghanistan and the same kind of push back. so the anti trump is feeling the same thing is what trump did. and of course, what i'm getting at is the inter agency consensus. these people want to be a,

maintain their positions of power and call the shops here. so remarkably, the anti trump is experiencing very much what the real trunk did. go and expand some stuff, go ahead. when you are right. it's interesting. the ministration of by them just includes the representatives of all their own business. you know that we're behind the american foreign policy as the in the last 2530 years. you have that, you know, the cyber or be, you know, their id company is represented. you'll have the old bala, people who have the military industrial, they're all there. and the remarkably, i mean, a lot of people expected by them to be less forced to china. and suddenly it was by and, and, you know, forced the european nato allies to put their signatures on. there is a notion of the last name was smith, which basically proclaims china threat john car. no way of doing that. you know,

he will be opposed by america, by all of us personally, demonized by barton, made it the same story with the simon with you. and i mean, now a lot of people russia suspected by the actually doing who can buy the stupid phrase of all the killer? because otherwise, you know that the warm beer would not allow him to go to geneva. it just shows how much biden is a hostage. why your, what would you know? why no, there's no support. and why is this later on in the night is criticized and brand new for entering and said that no need to each was a hostage. try and you all would, you know, he had to go there because you had to save his friends. well, the same story with by them he, i think deep and he saw he's a centers, he's a pregnant, but he has to play by the rules over over increasingly radical ideology. so she

can't, she just can't condemn the action or the bridges destroy which out of nothing you know, create that very death situation. black. see ok. let me let me get that to george. take care. i like what i'm going to kinda re, jake, what demon just had to say, because i really liked it a lot. i don't know. joe biden is not an idealogue. okay. he may be locked in a 2nd, but not, not very bright on top of it, but he is hosted use a hostage to idea logs around him. ok, because if you know anything about him, i mean, he's basically if you take away black lives the matter and keep it all, if he's basically a liberal republican and he served that way all in the senate for half a century here. but that is my point, my point is yours. you can be someone like trump that had certain basic instincts and inclinations that were very rarely formulated clearly. and then you have joe joe biden, which is basically he's,

he's basically going to package whoever has the, the power, because he saw what they did to trump. he doesn't want that to happen to him. ok. but nonetheless, it means he gives up his agenda. go ahead and your yeah is very interesting. there is, there is no question. there is an intelligence military national security that is absolutely determined to sabotage any attempt. 1 to forge a rep russian with russia, i mean, they did it in the case of trump, whenever trump made any moves in that direction, they came down very hard on trump and they were already done since geneva. we had this report the other day for the f b i g, c, h q, and the n s a claiming russia is engaging in massive cyber bullying all over the world. even today we have another report in bloomberg about, you know, russia engaging in ransom where attacks and corporations. this is going to be a daily drum be. now by the, you know,

it's hard to know what exactly is going on. and you said, i think that when he blurted out during the space, press conference about where russia is in a very tight spot with china that it's intimidated by china. i think that disclose, he's thinking that he's going to make sense for us to be friend. russia because chinese, the big the, big from, through, incidentally, so that's a form of kind of projection that rushes to the types. i think you were saying where and i and we, and this is, it's all self inflicted. we did it for selves. ok. and you and i have been talking about this for years and years and years, and now it's, it's rate in their face real life. what have we done? and as you pointed out, the report after report keeps the drumbeat going. it's like, you know, you know,

there's only one here. okay. they can't really change gears and they can't change the their destination. i mean there's, there's stuff because of brushy gay because of trump and, and because of the media hysteria in respect to what the buying really wants to do, it's almost pre determined and that's pretty. but benteke go ahead. well, yes, it's re determined and their desires have all this like to me, crushing trying to quarrel? well, i mean, nixon and kissinger would use some, you know, as jude provocations. they will, they invent some stories. here is just so blunt like bars and says, i told poacher in china was a threat. you know, well, i mean who is going to believe it? so there was in less and less elegant waste. i mean that story with that again with a bigger destroyer, whole believe that, you know, somehow the papers about this operation just ended up at the bus stop, you know,

garbage can, can you imagine gordon johnson just coming to the bus stop in the middle of the night and just duncan at all there, so that journalist would find it, so there work and then nor madigan, waste and that's a bad sign. it shows that basically, we're dealing with a very irresponsible bureaucratic machine where people are just afraid of saying something positive about russia. but if you don't say anything positive that you can do, very unprofessional wake, you know, blinking laughter in china on their, on the marriage. so democracy in anchorage or aborting johnson saying that i just don't know how the secret ended up at the bus stop. you know, these are very, you know, this is not the way the west used to operate and ready to get your point in george . know, this is what i'm, i mean we incompetent. i mean, what about the ball position right now? because otherwise, to me there's simply incompetent. yeah, i mean,

really goes back to this question. they can't make up their mind. who's the enemy, who is the united states, supposed to be direct its energies again? is it russia or china? so crop was a, was china, but basically the, the national security oper. i wasn't going to go along with it by the seems to be also thinking, well, we never got to think about china and the people he had some of the economics people who are working for and also think a chinese economic giant that we have to deal with that, but you have all of the blink kins and the middling bureaucracy that is still absolutely fixated on russia and clearly the europeans and bars johnson and use the barrel and everybody else. they all still in this mindset the enemy, but it's really interesting, georgia for 5 years. this is their red ticket. and so we're there, you know, there's a new president and,

and he wants to change why everything was going so well for careers were made. ok. you know, advancements, you know, cable news, the gigs and all of that. i mean they, they in an institutional way, i'm going to collect we really dishonest, but it's additional way this has been a great me trade for them and why should change ok, go ahead. well, i think that the india, they don't want to change anything. there is the inertia, and that's really dangerous because it's a bad inertia. i mean, and sorry, i mean, i'm not going to court here what mike on pale and one of the american sectors from state recent said to me that would be, that would be c in the, you know, some control in boys in the west would say all your sprague hatred, it was that was pure hate that you know what michael said about the china was pure agent. but if a go to parallel with the military and isn't just you mind me,

how not to join the minute, make up its mind whom it is going to attack 1st western plutocrats or their jewish bolsheviks in russia. you know, and nazi germany have them both and the, and they only had to listen to hitler because he was the ultimate authority who just decided in the same way. now you read the newspapers, you read the magazines like foreign policy, foreign affairs. and there are big, weak saying own chinese, the main enemy, somebody like mark mcfall says no, no, no, no, china, russia is there. and none of them can imagine a world where there are no any, was there a whole promises 3 diplomacy? they just can't imagine this won't be already inside the war, these people george at such a brilliant point because we must have an after me because we have to spend money on the military. you know, we have to keep this thing going. okay. it's very interesting. there's

a top prosy versus democracy thing. it's not working. but you know what it's doing is making countries choose their choosing a non ideological model or have a progressive, a neal liberal model. and a lot of parts of people that we do. we like to watch that stuff on netflix, but we don't want it here. okay, go ahead and get that. that whole idea of the buyer and the ministration. we're going to hold that democracy summit. all of that is going to do unite all kinds of forces around russia and china, even forces that are within the western side. because you can imagine people like, or hunger is, or been hungry. victor or bob was kind of, you know, more in the russia, china, you know, i don't really like what the democracy summit is all about. and there are other forces within the west itself, but don't like this. so once you start making this going to be a logical struggle, you're just alienating or, and you know why?

because it wouldn't be about when it be about maintaining gemini, exactly what it would be, as you know, it has never been about mark received. you know, this is, this is just the veneer. they hide our gentlemen but all the time we have want to make my guess and here in my viewers were watching us next time. remember the the the moon ah,

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