the week of the anniversary, the creation of britons university, health care system, forest johnson, seek to loosen current of virus controls in the country with one of the worst. yes, tools in the world, the cases rising exponentially. we speak to the pioneering drugs, are david not fired for his evidence based public logical research. why a british labor government, and hundreds of thousands displaced thousands detained in hundreds killed. according to the un, we speak to the lawyer representing young thanks, who chief fame, daughter of assassinated burmese, communist revolutionary young sand about her freedom, and nato nations. fight for supremacy in the straits of malacca. as global power moves from washington to beijing is nature truth. lee from f kenneth down to iraq, all the more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, this week marks the 73rd anniversary of the british. increasingly privatized universal, n h s health care system. the celebrations came with warning from scientists against plans by p. m. or johnson to loosen corona virus protection in the face of exponentially raising cases and the new lambda variance. but as euro 2020

b is rain down from above. when england face denmark tonight, at wembley, we are all at risk of a drug that politicians have arguably known encouraged alcohol. joining me now from boss is the case where drugs are his autobiography, not on cut, jots a scandalous history of u. k. drug policy. as a virtual class war professor david david, thanks so much for coming back on even before i get to the amazing book with so many insights, a say your take, i know it's not your direct field given that you will feel the pharmacology on the, on the british government's response to the current of our spending. it seems to me it's almost as chaotic is responding to drugs. and it fails or has partially felt for the same reasons. they don't have a systematic structure for making decisions. and then of course, why has the health service become overrun, whereas in most other countries in europe, it wasn't overrun because we usually been undermining the health service for

decades. and of course breakfast also encouraged about 200000 health workers to leave and i thought it did give us medical agency as they keep saying the vaccines agency that allowed us to vaccinate more than never be. and i'm sure yes, yeah, there's a good that you raise a really interesting question. let's look, can't do it today, but let's look and see what, what was better have we actually save more lives to back the nation than we've lost because we haven't had health services, etc function. so that's the 1st thing i would say. the 2nd thing i would say this is very relevant because i last march and what's not 15 months ago, i wrote an article, but i thought this, i think the consequences of coded in a year's time will not be anything to do with chest infections or, or problems with breathing, it'll be jude with a psychological consequences. and these are going to be to fall, these are the consequences or actually long coding. we know the virus is getting

the brain and we know this virus gets in the brand new, the every we saying that people who have to deal to health service was over stress . and i had to deal with with that being properly resource. and i'm particularly property protected, half of all people working in intensive care, you got p t s d. do we have a shade to deal with be psychological consequences. oh no, we do not. we still, we don't have any roadmap for the brain until i find that really reprehensible because this, the consequences are not just economic, but they're also psychological. and we should be working on that. we should have started working on that as soon as we saw the, the extent of the, of the, the spread of the virus. yeah, there's a big case a p s b. and i suppose the answer to your 1st point that obviously britain has one of the worst death rates in the world. and certainly one of the was death rates in, in western europe. when you compare it to the arguable incompetence, i presume it's incompetent not by design to your experience with drug policy.

i don't know whether you mean and it's constantly referred to in this book, the need for ministers, and i don't know that a bit of dominic cummings very well had argued really full top advisors, devoris johnson, this element of the importance of media with respect to public health policy? absolutely, i mean the government has been dancing to extend to the, to the media tune in this particular the read newspapers. and in the same way, as i've always done their training related to drug policy, they tried to appease them when they know quite explicitly that their agenda isn't necessarily was better the country than you were convinced. as the drugs are for this country. as the government official drugs are, that time and time again, it was these read top newspapers and all of them are read actually. i think that's the own by oligarchs. that thing exert is a completely disproportionate influence over public health care. the most amusing

thing they do, you go into the home office for a meeting and all they be talking about. the 1st thing they do is i have a focus group amongst the stuff on what the daily mail said about the home office the day before. is surreal, but they will morning actually did that. they actually did that, and of course they would be criticized the home of his in those days is actually doing both them with policing and things like immigration that's been criticized repeatedly and, and that's what they care about. they care about not a century appeasing, or at least not getting even more on the wrong side of the data, which is because it's almost impossible to appease newspapers like that. frankly. i mean, i'm sure the johnson government, despite all the allegations about track and trace and its involvement with companies and, and the new health secretary that replace the disgrace. one who has been on the payroll of a, a financial institution associated with us, private healthcare. they would deny corruption in your book. you an edge, a direct link between tony blair's corruption with the formula one boss, bunny,

ack austin, and alcohol policy. i don't know being the leading cause of death for men under 50 today to rupture may be too strong. the word is not sure, i use that in the book, but i think there was a really odd thing, wasn't it that tony blair says? absolutely, we're going to get rid of all advertising and then suddenly, because formula one is important and i believe that the labor party is being supported by some of the formula, one people leaving for me, one that suddenly alcohol advertising doesn't get restricted in the way that we will know it should be, they didn't explicitly say it was for me to one, but i the rumor that was going around at the time that there was a lot of pressure from formula one for them to keep talking all over time. and when you say the industry there, i don't know whether they're echoes now with corona virus because we are continually told about the importance of the economy. and that was despite you're

explaining to them the economic cost. all well call if you put it on a balance sheet, it doesn't make money for britain. no, but is that coming back in to thousands, over half of all m p 's, we're getting a reward. we can put it that way from the uk on industry. they had interest in the all going to it's a very sophisticated industry they they managed to encourage and he didn't a very clever way. they managed politicians and editors of newspapers. they come together in regular meeting, the field by the drink industry, regular, free in westminster, on that lovely terrace over the thames. there are every fortnight there's a party which drinks industry produce the alcohol for free. and senior newspaper editors and reporters and pieces of all persuasions are they're basically drinking a great deal for free. and that effectively says suppresses all discourse

in parliament. and most discourse in the media about a 100 times. sure m. p 's, all all deny that. absolutely. i'm, i think we did have a lobbyist on the, on the program from one of the organizations people can look up that interview on youtube. i mean, the, the, i mean before everyone thinks who edge absolutely technical on this program. you might have to remind us about it, but your brain recept, alcohol, substitute. it also related to the book. i mean, the opposition to that as the opposition to your research on brain receptors when it came to anxiety. because you don't talk about nearly being killed in a bomb, but what is the kind of opposition to the fee i'll call subsidies? since you have to remind us what they are quickly as well. okay, so i'll co send is a wonderful construct, which actually came at a star wars we called us rel as kander route is to, is to sweetness. you get the sweetness without the calories. when i started talking about this, i've been talking about this now and he's taking the 15 years i've been talking

about replacing alcohol. initially. i think the drinks industry very, very skeptical and we thought, you know, they thought we were an enemy, but now the public move, particularly young people in london and 20 to 40 roads, begin to move away from alcohol and they're doing it for health reasons. and that means the drinks industry is not growing at a rate. in fact, from many, apart from cobra coverage, that's been a blessed to them. but before coby drink, sales were falling and people were moving away from the whole continued drink to alcohol free drinks. and this trend, i think is going to hopefully get the industry talking to us more and they all are already. they kind of know that it, when people read of alcohol and read them at the harness, you can't escape the factors on. it's a very harmful drug, so something that can mimic it in a way, but without or with much less of the harms. they see that this could actually be the salvation for them. and it's also similar to the way that now most big tobacco

companies are moving away from cigarettes, which we know are and very, very harmful to say for alternatives. you say cigarettes harmful but in some of the graphs and charts in this book. and i know you have lots of prop pervis's and caveats. it's quite shocking to see how it were. uncle comes in comparison to heroin cigarettes, all manner of different drugs. and we talked about foreign policy on this program. obviously the us troops leaving janice done and the poppy fields. fundamentally, you believe the board for the foreseeable future drug policy is not going to be reform and we are now waiting to this day. and carol black review, part 2, do you think? do you think it could change now that we have a board johnson cabinet that have confessed many of them to taking illegal narcotics when it should, of course, if they had any kind of moral principles. but so when will it i don't know.

actually the i think of labor had said they wanted change, it would happen because i think the tories would feel that they have to keep abreast or the family star has come out recently saying he doesn't believe. even in b criminalization a part of what he was had the cps, which prosecuted many, even under the $71.00 drugs act. okay. but so it was come out of harrison. america was a public prosecutor in, in california. and she put a lot of a lot of community black community into prison thinking that that would drive about drugs in california. she's now recounted, and they are going, i believe, to actually remove the criminal sentences which been given to so many black people in the states of cannabis possessions. she's changed by that. you know, i would have thought stormer should be smart enough to say that what he did was actually wrong and ha, we've doubled our prison population since the 1980s. and that doubling is all

to, to putting people with drug problems into prison. and that is truly the most ridiculous thing to do, because not only does it not help them, it actually makes it worse. many people start using heroin in prison. they go to prison for candidates, or that they start using heroin because it's less detectable. and it's easier to get in prison or again, it's this response to this mysterious power of all of our newspapers in this country to the 9400000000 estimated business here. today we're not, i'll stop you there more from david, not after this break plus is i'm trying to cheat. same daughter of assassinating me communist revolutionary and being tortured by the means military. we go to me and my to speak to her lawyer fighting charges that could see her die in prison. all the more coming up in today's going underground. ah

ah ah, i use join me every 1st day on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guests in the world, the politics, sport, business and show business. i'll see you then. me the welcome back. i'm still here with professor david,

not the author of not on got when people are thinking about tonight, semi final with denmark. green sterling will be on the beach. it comes up in your book tonight. there will be 2 england players who have got photos of using nitrous oxide, nitrox laughing gas, which we don't really know on this program. i have to say, you know, it's a great british drug invented in 1780 in birmingham, by priestly, popularized by the president of the russ society, that very, very famous humphrey daily demand being discovered more elements than any other kenneth in history. why a football is using it? well, because football are, they're actually rather smart because they realize it. if to get, have party to party, you can use alcohol or upside. if he's alcohol to get to a level of, of quite intense intoxication and fun. you're going to have a hang over the next them. if you use like oxide, you're going to be fine, 5 minutes later. but like this oxide, that became,

we believe it's not proven. it's not happy in law, but subject to the psychoactive substance. is that largely because newspapers took pictures of people like sterling using nitrous oxide and then vilifying the doing so and claiming it was harmful when hung hundreds of millions of women around the world have to deal with the pain of childbirth. just like luke sure did. when he had his broken leg in switzerland, well, i know it may be used for some trial for depression. again, i have to say we can do it. i mean, i want to get the book is so it seems like it's the volume and there is so much in it. i mean, and there are so many old things, like when you say golden brown, got legislation through that allows the cannabis medically used. there's no medic mitigation on that or there is for cocaine and things like that. but just very seriously and personally for you, people might not remember how this oligarch press attack your family and you

personally as you are pursuing this evidence based career of research designed to save the lives of millions of people from anxiety for mental health. and so yeah, well i've been attached, i have been attacked by the press. i've been attacked by love it when i was back to the government's terms are 1st saying that some the horse riding is more dangerous in ecstasy. i mean, it really was absolutely a field day for the press for the sudden did a terrible thing. they, they dug, they got it cut it drilled into 3 of my 4 kids facebook sites. and i made outrageous claims about what they were doing it completely without it, you know, substance with tool. and because once it's, once we got into one who's paper, then it can be that it becomes news and then they can get into all the newspapers and it was hanging around actually on the m o male web site to let some inquiries

only when we complained and wrote a letter to the levison saying that the mail hadn't taken down is that raises the misrepresentation of my children eventually the week before por daycare, went to see levison suddenly disappeared from the main website that had been up there for many years, pulled acre boss at the, at the mail, i've been just as quickly on how this impact on class war, arguably an inequality. is there something here from the mental about inequality, time and time? again, it's obviously disproportionately impact on the health outcomes for the poor. i don't know whether the rich members of the city taken go came watching this program less likely to die for some reason than those who are poor. what is that dimension to this research? the fact is, if you're rich and white, you gotta get to go to prison. if you picked up with a cup, look, again, if you're black, you will. i mean, you know that this is tenfold,

you're more likely to get a criminal record for drugs. if you're black, if you're like one of the problems, we created the brown and black re 80, but they incentivize the police. one of one of the markers with police success with, with kind of his convictions and the police, you know, whatever you think of the police are not completely stupid. and they realize the easiest crime to solve the kind of it's going to just walk into a bargain, lumber stuff, a black guy. but yeah, and he's funny, you know, a little bit of, of candidates. then you got your arrest and things will do that. and that then creates an underclass which because with those records, you can't get into teaching, you can't go into politics, you can't go into the police, you can't really go into any other civil service. and so what happens? well, if you haven't, if you can get other work, then what do you do? you do drugs. and this is the whole rationale for the, the portuguese. the criminalization approach, you stop people dealing drugs to get drugs and to say alive,

and you take drugs out of black market and you put it into health and then people get treated so they don't have to be drugs to get it. and you find it drug use goes right down because it's the the use of drug this field largely by drug users selling drugs to get enough money to pay for the rooms. professor david, not the book that now not and cut. thank you. thank you. the now as u. k. n u s. troops, we have counted starting the dead of night, and the u. s. embassy comes under drone attack in baghdad to job biden's air strikes and syria and iraq, another former imperial western colony as being debated today. the un, this after a military coup in burma, there's been mass displacement killing and wounding. and what now for i'm thing. so g detained for a decade and a half release than acute debating genocide. and now fighting corruption charges in the region critical to western oil supplies. joining me now from ne p y,

i tar is. i'm glad you can mugs or thank you so much. you can for coming on the show. what's it like represent again and to g, given your family is the historic support for the communist insurgency that liberated me and more after the father was assassinated, maybe by on the order of clement. actually, we will know about that history in britain was like representing such a famous politician for free. i have to tell you, remind you that my father was an all comedy to go on on to cheese for the general also because general turn was founder off coming to spoke to you in 1930 page. my father was a communist party member to there's a story background to it. i mean, i don't go too too far back, but since it was a 73rd of us is 73rd anniversary,

the national health service here in britain is, is loaded by the left here just quickly who did kill your client, father, the churchill on record who saw and, but there were british weapons used. famously, i mean, you know, about prison conditions in me and mom wants the condition of anger to gee, in detention. have you even been able to speak to her? i mean, you know, about jail and hunger strike after all. yes, doran santucci is condition is much better than our condition when we weigh that bit as prisoners, but according to ha, stand edge. he is narrow in very distressed condition. is he in fear of a life? not that much, but he doesn't have any access to the information.

he cannot meet any other person. but from the lawyers whom she asked to meet weekly for 30 minutes before a mental torture. she doesn't claim she's be tortured. she, she doesn't blame. she's been physically tortured, not, not physically taught you. now. she's charged with the corruption. she's charged with the flouting coven restrictions, using a walkie talkie. also being against the official secrets act. what do you make of these judges? father? no. restrictions was spreading to sanction against the government and for loose charges. he is now on trial.

but for the charges of library and corruption, she is not on trial. it was due is that the charge was only investigation. a lot of people saying this is much more than just about sung su cheap. this is about geo politics. you your defending her. but, and there was an interview with you in the new york times. why do you think there isn't much news about sex who g and international weston media any more? we have been mon ashy, who's been hired by the burmese government to lobby for them in the west. he actually came on to talk about jeffrey epstein and maxwell. but there are clearly people trying to lobby the media in the west. do you see, are you surprised that there is not more attention in the west of this case?

that's not completely true. because on the 1st of july i d, h, i international associations, human rights institute has an issue at stake when it formed watch group of prominent lawyers. i do watch the keys off to on, on to president when me and because of course in, in nato countries which did support her freedom, they accuse her of facilitating genocide of the room, ringo muslims, people said she should be on dr. for that. not these meetings. i guess it's good to position against her on this issue because i asked students of different answers

while only child care off broken. and yet people even up to now he on concerning with the ranger. i haven't discussed about this issue with her, but i wanted say she and her party stood somewhat differently than that. my position. so how does this military survive? how is it interlinked? would you say to trans national capitalism? after all, singapore is the biggest foreign investor. i mean, who, who is funding this government that are bringing these charges against your client day? many, she government has all, always used up natural resources and to build that

made she was a military establishment by selling that natural gas, especially do their name. never got to china. now, the chinese ambassador to me, and my said it's absolutely not what china wants to see the detention of your client in nato countries. a quarter of the world's oil may be passes through the straits of malacca in the south. me and ma, what it will. how will this play with the charges again, sang, sang su, cheat sheet she by looking at the tip of her guntee. yes, he took the conciliatory, conciliatory, lie. stand with me. she

mistake make. yeah. yeah. i mean like what, what went wrong? she was accused of being too close to the military. should she somehow get closer to china, which will presumably be me and my future biggest trading butler. i don't think she had gone santucci. look at the china as a main trading, but because she didn't give it any more favor. but class steve does to china other than the other other countries like this? when do you think she will be free? i cannot say for sure if she is convicted of all those charges and punishments are set on consecutively,

all those managements amounts to a belief, 40 or 50 you school, if you will be free in our lifetime, you can monitor. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to talk sport, nationalism, and club the head of the final of the 2020 football championship. and what would it mean the birthday of one of the 21st century is greatest political think is mark fisher until then. keep in touch with social media to try to channel on youtube. let us know when you think i'm going to cheat should be pretty ah ah, me. when i was shot the wrong when i was just don't the room.

yes to fill out the thing because after an engagement equal betrayal. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interest. while you see in this, these techniques is the state devising messrs to essentially destroy personality of an individual lifetime means this is how one doctor's theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed the danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. and how the victim say they still

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