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. the news i'm absent or tennessee and i'm i live up driving corona virus here in london, after 2 astrazeneca vaccines. this is going on the ground back, raising the volume on stories and so called mainstream media. jo, 22 here coming up in the show in the week of the anniversary of the creation of britain's universal health care system for johnson seek to loosen corona virus controls in the country with one of the worst. yes, tools in the world are cases rising exponentially. we speak to the pioneering drugs, are david not fired for his evidence based public logical research? why british, they would go and hundreds of thousands displaced, thousands detained in hundreds killed. according to the us, we speak to the lawyer representing young thanks who chief aim daughter of his ass
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naked burmese, communist revolutionary young son about her freedom and nato nations fight for supremacy in the strength of a lacquer as global power moves from washington to beijing is nature truth, lee from f kenneth down to iraq. all the more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, this week marks the 73rd anniversary of the british. increasingly privatized, universal, and h s. health care system. the celebrations came with warning from scientists against plans by p. m, or johnson, to loosen corona vice protection in the face of exponentially raising cases and the new lambda variance. but as euro 2020 b is rain down from above. when england face denmark tonight, at wembley, we are all at risk of a drug that politicians have arguably known, encouraged alcohol. joining me now from boss is the u. k. it's what drugs are his autobiography, not on cut shots, a scandalous history of u. k. drug policy as a virtual class war professor david david, thanks so much for coming back on even before i get to the amazing book with so
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many insights a say your take, i know it's not your direct field given that you will feel the pharmacology on, on the british government's response to the current of spending. it seems to me it's almost as chaotic as a response to drugs. and it fails or has partially felt for the same reason. they don't have a systematic structure for making decisions. and then of course, why has the health service become overrun, whereas in most other countries in europe, it wasn't overrun because we basically been undermining our health service for decades. and of course, breakfast also encouraged about 200000 health workers to leave. and i did give her medical agency as they keep saying the vaccines agency that allowed us to vaccinate more than we were being yes. yeah. this got you raise a really interesting question. let's look, can't do it today, but let's look and see what, what was better,
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how we actually save more lives through the nation. and we've lost because we haven't had a health services, etc function. so that's the 1st thing i would say. the 2nd thing i would say, and this is very relevant because i last march and what's not. 15 months ago, i wrote an article which i publicizing the consequences of coded in a year's time, will not be anything to do with chest infections or, or problems with breathing. it'll be june with a psychological consequences. and these are going to be to fall. these are the consequences or actually long coding. we know the virus is getting the brain and we know this virus gets in the brand new. the last every we saying that people who have to deal the health service was over stress. and i had to deal with with that being properly resource and i'm particularly property protected. half of all people working in intensive care, you got p t. do we have a shade to deal with the psychological consequences? oh no, we do not. we still, we don't have any roadmap for the brain until i find that really reprehensible
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because this, the consequences are not just economic, but they're also psychological. and we should be working on that. we should have started working on that as soon as we saw the, the extent of the of the, the spread, the virus. yeah, there's a big case a p s. d. and i suppose the answer to your 1st point that obviously britain has one of the worst death rates in the world, and certainly one of the worst death rates in, in western europe. when you compare it to the arguable incompetence, i presume it's incompetent not by design to your experience with drug policy. i don't know whether you mean and it's constantly referred to in this book. the need for ministers that i don't know. there's a bit of dominic cummings there. what you had argued really for were top advisory board johnson. this element of the importance of media with respect to public health policy. absolutely. i mean, the government has been dancing to extend to the, to the media tune in this particular the read newspapers and, and the same way as i've always done their training related to drug policy,
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they tried to appease them when they know quite explicitly that their agenda isn't that's the salary was best for the country. then you are convinced as the drugs are for this country, as the government official drugs are that time and time again, it was these red talk. newspapers and all of them are read actually. i think that's the own by oligarchs, that thing exert is a completely disproportionate influence over public health care. the most amusing thing they do, you go into the home office for a meeting and all they be talking about. the 1st thing they do is i have a focus group amongst the stuff on what the daily mail said about the home office the day before. it was surreal, but they were more actually did this. they actually did that. of course they would be criticized the home of his in those days is actually doing both them with policing and things like immigration that's been criticized repeatedly and,
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and that's what they care about. they care about not a century appeasing, or at least not getting even more on the wrong side of the data, which is because it's almost impossible to appease newspapers like that trying to. i mean, i'm sure the johnson government, despite all the allegations about track and trace and its involvement with companies and, and the new health secretary that replace the disgrace. one who has been on the payroll of a, a financial institution associated with us, private health care. they would deny corruption in your book. you an edge, a direct link between tony blair's corruption with the formula, one boss, bunny, egleston, and alcohol policy. i don't know being the leading cause of death for men under 50 today to rupture may be too strong. the word is not sure, i use that in the book, but i think there was a really odd thing, wasn't it that tony blair says we're actually going to get rid of all advertising? and then suddenly, because formula one is important and i believe that the labor party is being
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supported by some of the formula, one people leaving for me, one suddenly alcohol advertising doesn't get restricted in the way that we will know it should be they didn't explicitly say it was formula one, but i mean the room that was going around at the time that there was a lot of pressure from formula one for them to keep talking over time. and when you say the industry there, i don't know whether they're echoes now with corona virus because we are continually told about the importance of the economy. and that was despite you're explaining to them the economic cost. all well call if you put it on a balance sheet, it doesn't make money for britain. know, but is that coming back in to thousands, over half of all m p 's, we're getting a reward. we can put it that way from the uk on industry. they had interest in the all going to is a very sophisticated industry they they managed to encourage and he didn't very
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clever way. they managed by politicians and editors of newspapers. they come together in regular meeting, the field by the drink industry, regular, free in westminster, all that lovely terrace over the thames. the there are every fortnight. there's a party. drinks industry produce the alcohol for free, and senior newspaper, editors and reporters. and pains of all persuasions are they're basically drinking a great deal for free and that effectively sift suppresses all discourse in parliament and most discourse in the media about a 100 times sure m. p 's would all all deny that. absolutely. and i think we did have a lobbyist on the, on the program from one of the organizations people can look up that interview on youtube. i mean, the, the, i mean before everyone thinks who edge absolutely technical on this program. you might have to remind us about it. but your brain recept, alcohol, substitute. it also related to the book. i mean,
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the opposition to that as the opposition to your research on brain receptors when it came to anxiety, because you don't talk about nearly being killed in a bomb. but what is the kind of opposition to the, the alcohol subsidies since you have to remind is what they are quickly as well. okay, so i'll co send is a wonderful construct, which actually came at a star wars we called us rel as kander route is. this is too sweet and you get the sweetness without the calories. when i started talking about this, i've been talking about this now and he's taking the 15 years i've been talking about replacing alcohol. initially. i think the drinks industry very, very skeptical and we thought, you know, they thought we were an enemy, but now the public move, particularly young people in london, and 20 to 40 euros, are beginning to move away from alcohol. and they're doing it for health reasons. and that means the drinks industry is not growing at a rate. in fact, from many, apart from cobra coverage, that's been a to them. but before,
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coldly drink sounds were falling and people were moving away from the whole continued drink to alcohol free drinks on this trend. i think he's going to hopefully get the industry talking to us more and they all are already. they kind of know that when people read of alcohol and read them at the harness, you can't escape. the fact is on it's a very harmful drug. so something that can mimic it in a way, but without or with much less of the harms. they see that this could actually be the salvation for them. and it sort of similar to the way that now most big tobacco companies are moving away from cigarettes, which we know are very, very harmful to say for alternatives. you say cigarettes harmful but in some of the graphs and charts in this book. and i know you have lots of prop pervis's caveats. it's quite shocking to see how it were. uncle comes in comparison to heroin cigarettes, all manner of different drugs. and we talked about foreign policy on this program,
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obviously the us troops levy, again this done and the poppy fields. fundamentally, you believe the word for the foreseeable future drug policy is not going to be reform mobile. we're not waiting for this day. and carol black review, part 2, do you think, do you think it could change? now that we have a board johnson cabinet that have confessed many of them to taking illegal narcotics? well, it should of course, if they had any kind of moral principles. but so when will it? i don't know. actually the i think of labor had said they wanted change. it would happen because i think the tories would feel that they had to keep abreast. but the found the storm has come out recently saying he doesn't believe d, even in d criminalization apollo. he was out of the c p. s which prosecuted many, even under the 71 drugs act. okay. but so it was come out of harrison. america was a public prosecutor in california and she put a lot of
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a lot of community black community into prison thinking that that would drive about drugs in california. she's never counted, and they are going, i believe, to actually remove the criminal sentences which had been given to so many black people in the states to canada position. so she's changed why? i would have thought stormer should be smart enough to say that what he did was actually wrong and, and could ha, we've doubled our prison population since the 1980s. and that doubling is all to, to putting people with drug problems into prism. and that is truly the most ridiculous thing to do, because not only does it not help them, it actually makes it worse. many people start using heroin in prison. they go to prison for candidates, or that they thought using heroin because it's less detectable. and it's easier to get in prison or again, it's this response to this mysterious power of all of our newspapers in this
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country to the 9400000000 estimated business here, residential not, i'll stop you there more from david not after this break plus isn't trying to cheat fame, daughter of his estimated bernie's, communist revolutionary young son being tortured by the means military, we go to me and my to speak to her lawyer fighting charges that could see her die in prison or more coming up in today's going underground. join me every thursday on the alex, silent show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then the the news welcome back. i'm still here with professor david, not the author of not sound good. when people are thinking about tonight,
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semi final with denmark, raheem sterling will be on the beach. it comes up in your book tonight. there will be 2 england players who have got photos of using nitrous oxide, nitrox laughing gas which we don't know on this program. i have to say, you know, it's a great british drug invented in 1780 in birmingham, by priestly, popularized by the president of the russ society, very, very famous humphrey daily. the man who discovered more elements than any other kenneth in history. why football is using it? well, because footballers are actually rather smart because they realize it if to get how funny a party you can use alcohol or nitrous oxide. if he's alcohol to get to a level of, of quite intense intoxication of fun. you're going to have a hang over the next step. if you use like oxide, you're going to be fine 5 minutes later. but nitrous oxide became,
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we believe not proven. it's not f ian law but subject to the side character substances that largely because newspapers took pictures of people like sterling using nitrous oxide and then vilifying, doing so, and claiming it was harmful when hung hundreds of millions of women around the world about it to deal with the pain of childbirth, just like luke sure did when he had his broken leg in switzerland. well, i know it may be used for some trial for depression. again, i have to say we can do it. i mean, i want to get the book is so it seems like it's the volume and there is so much in it. i mean, and there's so many old things like when you'd say golden brown, got legislation through that. as the cannabis medically used. there's no medic mitigation on that. there is for cocaine and things like that, but just very seriously and closely for you. people might not remember how these oligarch press attack your family and you personally as you are pursuing this
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evidence based career of research designed to save the lives of millions of people from anxiety for mental health. and so yeah, well i've been attacked, i have been attacked by the press. i've been attacked by love it when i was sacked to the government's drugs are 1st saying that the horse riding is more dangerous in ecstasy. i mean, it really was absolutely a field day for the press that a sudden did a terrible thing. they, they dug, they got it, got it drilled into 3 of my full kids, facebook sites. and i made outrageous claims about what they were doing it completely without it. yeah, no substance, it's all and it goes once it's once we got into one who's paper, then it can be that it becomes news and then they can get into all the newspapers and it was hanging around actually on the m o male web site to let some inquiries
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only when we complained and wrote a letter to the levison saying that the mail hadn't taken down. is that raises a misrepresentation of my children eventually, the week before poor daycare went to see levison suddenly disappeared from the main website that had been up there for many years for acre boss at the, at the mail. i better just and quickly on how this impact on class war, arguably an inequality. is this something here from the mental about inequality, time and time again, it obviously disproportionately impacts on the health outcomes for the poor. i don't know whether the rich members of the city taken go came watching this program less likely to die for some reason than those who are poor. what is that dimension to this research? the fact is, you know, if you're rich and white, you're going to go to prison. if you picked up with a cup, look, again, if you're black, you will. i mean, you know that this is tenfold. you're more likely to get
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a criminal rack of drugs. if you're black, that if you're like one of the problems, we created brown and black creative, but they incentivized the police, one of one of the markers with police success with, with kind of his convictions and the police, you know, whatever you think of the police are not completely stupid, and they realize that the easiest crime to solve the kind of is going to just walk into a bargain london stuff, a black guy, but yeah, the bucket, buddy, you know, a little bit of, of candidates, then you've got your arrest and please, we'll do that, and that then creates an underclass which because with those records you can into teaching, you can't go into politics, you can't go into the police, you can't really go into any other civil service. and so what happens? well, if you haven't, if you can get other work, then what do you do? you do drugs. and this is the whole rationale for the, the portuguese di criminalization approach. you stop people dealing drugs to get drugs and to stay alive. and you take drugs out of black market and you put into
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health and then people get treated so they don't have to be drugs to get it. and you find it drug use goes right down because it's the, the use of drug this field largely by drug users selling drugs to get enough money to pay for the rooms. professor david, not the book that now not. com. thank you. the now as u. k n u. s. troops, we have cameras down in the dead of night. in the u. s embassy comes under drone attack in baghdad to job biden's air strikes and syria and iraq, another former imperial western colony as being debated today. the un, this after a military coup in burma, there's been mass displacement killing and wounding. and what now for thing sir g detained for a decade and a half release than acute debating genocide. and now fighting corruption charges in the region critical to western oil supplies. joining me now from ne p y i car is unsigned lawyer. you can mugs or thank you so much,
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you can for coming on the show. what's it like represent again, and so given your family is the historic support for the communist insurgency that liberated me and more after the father was assassinated, maybe by the orders of clement. actually, we will, but we don't know about that history in britain. what's it like representing such a famous politician for free? i have to tell you to remind you that my father was an old comedy to go on on to cheese for the general also because general turn was founder off the common spot in 1930 page. my father was a communist party member, so there's a story background to it. i mean, i don't go too too far back, but since it was a 73rd of us, it's 73rd anniversary. the national health service here in britain is,
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is loaded by the left here just quickly who did kill your clients, father, the churchill, on record who saw and, but there were british weapons used. famously, i mean, you know, about prison conditions in me and mom wants the condition of anger to gee, in detention. have you even been able to speak to her? i mean, you know, about jail and hunger strike after all. yes, doris sons, who gees condition is much better than our condition when we weigh that bit as prisoners. but according to our standard, he is narrow in very distressed condition. is he unfair of life? not that much, but he doesn't have any access to the public information.
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he cannot meet and the other person but from the lawyers who me. she asked to meet weekly for 30 minutes before i went to a mental torture. she doesn't claim she's being tortured. she, she doesn't blame, she's been physically tortured, not, not physically taught you. now. she's charged with the corruption. she's charged with the flouting co restrictions using a walkie talkie also being against the official secrets act. what do you make of these judges? fraud? no. restrictions was spreading dissension against the government for loose charges. he is now on trial. but for the charges library and
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corruption, she is not on trial because that charge was only investigation. a lot of people saying this is much more than just about sang suji. this is about geo politics. you your, defending her, but, and there was an interview with you in the new york times. why do you think there isn't much news about ang sanks, who g and the international western media? any more, we have been min ashy, who's been hired by the burmese government to lobby for them in the west. he actually came on to talk about jeffrey epstein and elaine maxwell. but there are clearly people trying to lobby the media in the west. do you see, are you surprised that there is not more attention in the west to this case? that's not complete truth. because on the 1st of july
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that i b h, r i international association and human rights institute has an issue with the state plan saying that it formed watch group of prominent lawyers to watch the keys off to our san suki and president when me. and because of course, in, in, in nato countries which did support her freedom, they accuse her of facilitating genocide of their own ringo, muslims, people said she should be on dr. for that. not these meetings. i guess it's good in position again on this issue because i have students of defendants
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while alone. enjoy so much. i get off and yet the book even up to now he on concerning with the ranger. i haven't discussed about this issue with her, but organization her party stood somewhat differently than the former position found. is this military survive? how is it interlinked? would you say to trans national capitalism? after all, the singapore is the biggest foreign investor. i mean, who, who is funding this government that are bringing these charges against your client day? maybe she government has all, always used up natural resources and to build that made. she was ex, military establishment by selling that nature as others,
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especially do their name. never got to china know the chinese ambassador to me. and my said it's absolutely not what china wants to see the detention of your client in nato countries. a quarter of the world's oil may be passes through the straits of malacca in the south. me and ma, what it will. how will this play with the charges again sang, sang su, cheap insurance. she she by looking at the strip of gutsy, he took a conciliatory, conciliatory, lie stand with the mill. she rushes back. mister mate. yeah, yeah. i mean like what, what went wrong?
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she was accused of being too close to the military. should she somehow get closer to china, which will presumably be me and my future biggest trading butler. i don't think they should she go on time to look at it to china as the main trading, but because she didn't give it any more favor but class steed us to china other than the other other countries like this. when do you think she will be free? i cannot see it for sure if she is convicted of all those charges and the punishments are such on consecutively, all those on achievements amounts to at least 40 or 50 years
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school. if you will not be free in our lifetime, you can answer. thank you. and that's for the show will be back on saturday to talk sport, nationalism, and club the head of the final of the 2020 football championship. and what would it be in the birthday of one of the 21st century? the greatest political think is mark fisher until then keep in touch with social media to try to channel on youtube. let us know when you think i tend to cheat should be pretty ah ah, no. when i was shot the wrong, why don't i just don't the room. yes to fill out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so
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