can a says, i says no long term data, it's impossible to clean the vaccines have been successful. i need to king says i've had both my vaccinations and i am perfectly fine. and finally i dobson says i 5, both pfizer vaccinations in january and in march due to work no issues, no hassles, no side effects. aagot mckay, who spent 30 years as a prominent labor m. p for vote fall in london. however, on her elevation to the house of lords in 2020, she turns her political routes. i'm buying a story of like how and rough and in the county of alex introduce her. i size the house of lords k toy, 50 years i labor m p for a vauxhall, half the and all and i when last because you grew up in the and the problem, so that's your, your home or your home grown? yes, i was born and bred there and i went school and i went to college, qualified to be teacher,

then decided that i wanted to go to the capital city of my country, which with london came a long who took an economic degree. don't know very much, but i cannot like to have them basically stayed in london more than ever since that i was back and forward quite a lot. so it's always been important to me when i 1st came over with an m p being from northern on. and it was actually pretty difficult because you were sort of treated when you were from a sort of union as background to some kind of almost pariah within the labor party . and you know, years as a labor m. p of in a huge number of issues. you have known for being outspoken on but how much was the situation on island, the fixture of your politics. so it was that and the back button because of a m p for voc so well obviously it couldn't have been a big priority because you were so involved with your own constituency, a very, very poor constituency with huge problems and enormous amounts of care work looking

back on it, but there were always issues that, you know, i felt very strongly about. and one of the issues actually was an internal matter because the neighbor party never allowed people until very recently to even join the labor party in northern ireland. and yet when i was growing up, there was a northern ireland labor party that had neighbor and peeve, some very, very well known and good labor people. labor then would not allow. it ended when the trouble began, basically because it became very sectarian, you know, you're either one side or the other. whereas the neighbor was trying to bring people together. and then the labor party in k would not allow people to join. eventually that was only ended because a very dedicated g m. b worker took threatened to take their party to court. they had to allow people to join, but they still don't allow anyone to put up candidates. so you join the labor party in northern ireland, but you can't actually vote for labor. and occasionally you get people standing as

sort of labor brackets, pretend candidates, but it's not the same. and i think that's been a real democratic deficit. you know, i think of labor had organized property there from the beginning. the conservatives take it, sometimes they're quite active. sometimes they're not. but if they've been to mainstream parties really concerned, i think it could have made a difference to the idea that there's not real politics and northern ireland and probably that part of the reason i left recent times. i mean, you've been very associated as a prominent labor brakes. if you have a fight the most prominent labor breaks. if you have some sentences, what are you thinking in terms of the overall argument or was the implications for non island of a part of your consideration when you are advocating withdrawal from the european union? no, because you see i see northern i was very much part of united kingdom and it was a decision to leave as the u. k. and i, i, i've never really understood what i do understand why the border between northern

probably got and it's been, become such an issue, but there was no need for it to become such an issue. and i think if you look back, you will remember that when we 1st voted to leave for a very short period of time, the irish government were involved in discussions with the u. k. at civil service level, about technical arrangements. what could happen then? teach up for rod came in and he stopped all of that because i think by that time, you know, i think the european union had actually realized that northern on with a very useful little bit of the united kingdom, that they could drip drip away at the british government and annoy annoyed them indeed punished them and it was used as a kind of weapon. at the same time, the irish government saw as also wanting to be very much part of the use of sticking by the use. but also i think they saw it as a useful opportunity to, to get a united ireland in terms of economics to economic trade together 1st and then

leading to united are and they hope they're bring us right up to date as no bias. holy, a, back in northern ireland, you've been one of the leading progenitor of the, the legal case against the protocol. and although you were unsuccessful in the non i school she, you felt you established quite an important principle. tell us by that as a very important principle was established and we lost in the 1st high court in, in northern ireland. but the judge did room that the protocol had breached article 6 of the active union. and we were always saying that the protocol was unlawful. well, of course he was able to say it's not unlawful because it's been breached because there's been what he called implied repeal in the house of commons when the withdrawal act. this is the 181 act of union between ireland and the rest of the

yes. and that particular act that, that section is about internal trade and then the necessity of all of that happening. but i think the most serious thing, and it's not just for northern ireland, but i would thought people, scotland would be very interested that you know, if the active union can be sort of repealed almost with no knowing. and he looked back through hand side. i think there was only one question from m a peggy leaf a bite, the active union and she was locked up. don't be silly. and now we will have to end up in the supreme court because that's ultimately constitutional issues will be decided them. but we won't defeat the protocol only by legal. steve would be nice if we could when not, but we need people to protest and we need particularly a conservative and unionist party to realize that they have gone very badly off track on this. and i think if i'm being fair to the prime minister, i always like to be fair to the prime minister. i genuine,

they don't think that they realized, you know, highly detailed difficulties at the protocol was going to bring. and also that the european union could be quite so nasty, putting it simply as nothing in the bottles. johnson argument that's not much that has the best of both worlds that can trade openly through the single market. and also can fade with the you can, once these transitional issues are ironed out, that must be a privilege position economically for a while, it doesn't really work like that because you see most of the trade from northern ireland is going to great britain and great britain most of the great britain is coming to northern ireland not actually going on into that are probably the bottom, but also there's nothing to stop those traders at the moment trading. people have been saying, oh look, that particular company is not buying things from the republic. yvonne and well, they always had that opportunity to do that. you know what,

what it means to me generally for the whole of the united kingdom is that we as our, our, our sites a little bit higher than just dealing with the european union. i'm just wanting to see if you are kate, holy m, p for county anthem, instead of k holy as was empty for vote. so would you be so tutoring, right? and the city saying come to county anthem and you'll be able to trade the single market and the rest of the world and the u. k. will not be what you are doing if i pay for not well, no, because most of them are not doing that because they know that that's, that's not really the answer. no, if, if i was the m p for, for conchee i'm from now i would be telling my party, whichever party i was going to be stopping implementing the protocol. i mean, it's ludicrous that we're opposing it in northern ireland, but we're implementing it by having people searching laurie's and stopping or you know, the idea is that you cannot bring something in from your own country and whether you believe it a united ireland or not. and you don't like northern ireland,

the reality is we're part of the united kingdom. but if people want that change, then that has to be a proper mechanism to do that through the vote in the bell agreement. and that's not happening on the day to day difficult. you know, now we've got your opinion changing. it's attitude to feeding animals to other animals and northern ireland because it stayed within the euros are going to have to comply with up. so we then have the situation of people in england saying we want to buy anything more from northern and if they're, if they're feeding their animals in their hands and in the, in a different way. and every day something new comes up, which is why, you know, i think david frost is quite right when he says it is just, i'm the sustainable it can't go on. apart from the societal difficulties that are there. it really is something that is going to have to and one way or the other. it shouldn't lead frost of thought of that. what he was negotiating the protocol. well, i understand it was really michael goes,

was actually much more involved in the detail of northern ireland. and i think from my meetings and contacts with lord from i, i generally think he he gets it on the other of course important issue is the fact that the, the genuine a, the belfast good friday agreement has been breached as well. because the east west, it was a very delicate balance between north siphoned east. west north side is being carrying on wonderfully an east west has been disrupted so you can understand why pro union people in or not and feel very angry, very let dine very abandoned by their own government. and you know, that's not good for the union. people who want the union broken up, perhaps even scottish nationalists probably are quite happy with some of the things that are happening. but it's not good for the union. and i think the conservatives, many of them not realizing that one last question, i mean, recently you were quoted as saying he thought that the irish,

the public might come out of the european union. but that's not going to happen. but i'm more interested in what do you think the future of terms of the political balance and non island is going to be with us looking for your position was convinced you in the us but, but some sense of the staff of norm irish politics where, where do you think the balance of non island is going to is going to move? yeah, we're just on the very quickly on the irish thing in 15 years ago. people said the united kingdom could never leave your communion. so we'll see about that in 15 years. time, but what i think, i think the important thing is that yes, political parties in northern ireland are not particularly liked at the moment. and they're all of our all of the parties are having major problems even even shouldn't say. and, but ultimately when it comes to the union, you know, an awful lot of people who don't vote the fee or don't even vote unionist who, when it came to an actual vote about staying in the union. saying in the united

kingdom or giving up your british citizenship and becoming part of united would not vote for the there's a silent vote for the union but like silent vote for breakfast. since i've been back in northern, i know i realize just how little the average member of for example, the b p gets involved in the i did 30 people voted for their leader. i think that tells you something. so i think the parties in northern ireland do have to look at how they, how they're working, but actually thank you so much for joining us again. malik salmon show coming up after the break, alex continues as a view of the feature of northern ireland with mic fealty of the political blog. so i grew to will see you then me. oh i was in the

i what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, a very critical time. time to sit down and talk

well, come back. alex is examining the feature of northern ireland over the last 20 years . a political blog sluggard will to as much as a dominant place for discourse in northern ireland. alex speaks to its finder and editor in chief mic fealty. my feel, say not my own, does just mock 100 years of existence. is it going to see another 100 bucks to my? well, do i mean when the partition was 1st brought in many people, particularly nationals who lived near the border, looked at the border post the so they were going out in would assume like the british government like perhaps the incipient irish government. but partition was going to be a very temporary thing, but actually it lasted another 50 years before northern are included in 1969. and then the other, 50 years, most of which has been characterized by move towards are away from violence and

towards power. sharing, so it may not have years but another 100 years. i think it's some of that or a difference to the one that we see today. but what is the crisis of media and some people know said symptom very little idea. and i'm in the democratic union list some 20 years ago under the in paisley took over from the official unionist. they seem to be hard. the line was working class, but they came to publishing agreement was shouldn't fame but of the democratic union as a fracturing spectacularly so over the last few weeks. what is this crisis and non i this unionism. ok, well let me, let me try and explain it by use of demographics. if you like, because the terms unionism, nationalism don't really mean an awful lot of people by side north not, not include people in the republic as well. no, not in politics is a bit of a closed book, except for those funds. spent large chunks of our lives trying to understand that

and trying to explain what gum graphically, if you like, unionism historically, especially if you go back to 1922. when the partition of the island began, raney's unionism is a marking, protest for non catholic if you like. and so what happened really, since and when north setup was deliberately with a strong, stable protestant majority. but as time is going on, 1st the news 1st 50 years until the troubles began. it was a firm majority, and then over the last 50 years we've seen client decline decline. and with the certainty that holding the majority meant north, not actually within the united kingdom to greater and greater insecurity, but also last are and last are numbers share between these 2 big union as parties and in the law, i'd say 5 to 10 years,

we've seen other parties breaking through the middle as more and more catholics and protestants. how the claims of the crime described themselves as either one of those 2 religious blocks. and so i think what you're saying here is an instability because the raising per unionism coming together in the 1st place is only have upheld by not a minority of people in northern ireland. therefore, you cannot have to quite a phrase, a protestant state for the protestant people because no less protestants and catholics on this you census, we suspect them. how can i am, how the union is future? how is it possible to have a union as future if the basis of unionism is no more? okay, so let's, let's re define where we're, where we with, we got to graphically because although it's true to say there is no longer probably

the majority, there is also not a catholic majority insight in crime. despite the fact that catholics at school age and or not, and have a substantial majority over those and state schools, the proportion of catholics in the population, only when i one percent and 2011. my suspicion is that the fastest growing block is those in the middle who, who will not skirt themselves with catholic or protest. and if you like, these are people who at the bottom box are making post constitutionalist choices about who they both for. i suspect when this years census results are reported. the religious affiliation will find the lock is something like 20 percent of the whole population, which means they're neither nationalist nor unionist and not makes the face of northern ireland more than my traffic because it will be

a by personal choice not by personal, tribal identity. i'm more potentially more unstable, but it also means that union of the national will have to work for those in the middle, say a play on both your houses. so let's talk about that. 20 percent and the middle people have no strong religious affiliation, and not by bragging either a nationalist or a union. this for what's going to appeal to them the most is going to be breaks up . but venturing for for buccaneer, bought us at the helm, or is it going to be the irish public safely ensconced in the european union? what is the future most attractive to you reckon to that 20 percent? i know it's hard to tell in the long term, but just breaks it is going to have to we need to sort things around, protocol the protocol as you know, as scott grants, northern are certain privileges and rights that are not granted to the rest. the

united kingdom. so for instance, firms that are setup in belfast can export into the rest the united kingdom, but can also have unfettered access into the rest the, the european union. so already potentially, as long as most people don't lose their wits on this, nor the sitting with a huge strategic advantage just by being northern ireland and not pre it's, i mean, what's strange about this is the union. us are the ones who kicked up most of the very thing that might in the long term and sure that the union with the rest, the united kingdom and jurors because it gives northern i was a strategic above that it wouldn't have if it's simply unified with the rest of the rest of the country, not august 20 percent. my. my supposition, minnesota and i can't point to cleared, yet most,

most of them would have voted against praxis. they're not particularly nationalist, they're not british nationals or even irish national senate. what they're looking for are politicians who for them on bread and butter issues and the political parties in north america, but seem to be prospering, or at least responders about challenge baths or naomi long alliance parties. and they've been around since 900 and the moderate nationalist as the o p party. over the last 2 to 3 years been putting together what looks like a left of center social democrat read distribution appeal. i think it's only with those material appeals to those people in the middle for a better future that you're in any way have any chance of actually capturing the future either for the continuance of the union with britain or some radical rail line with the rest of the aisles that make filter, that's

a pretty dramatic forecast. i mean, what you're saying is after a generation we have non ice politics move to the extremes, who came to the combination with each other as and one side should fame on the other side of the democratic union this year, simply pointing to an, even after the power of the middle, the middle ground, this is going to prosper, is that when you say, the reason i think the middle is going to come, may well come through. is that a certain point, barrack constituencies conjoin so that you've got, i feel like kind of political molecules swapping and moving around between those 2 part is that they simply comp between the b, u, b and, and pin. i'm not trying to predict the future here hikes and i'm not trying to back out of what i've just said. i just think the potential for the middle grinds retake, things lies in the fact that about 20. and possibly, if you look at some of the survey data, 30 percent of the northern population have had enough of

a constitutional question that never delivers on the grounds. so, most people would argue that one of the things has happened. this was the departure from the scene of the 2 recent jibes of knowledge politics or rather in paisley, in the one honda, martin mcguinness, on the other 2 people with the stature to basically good enough the respect of parties and to layman power shilling that has been the reason for the difficulties you seem to be arguing with something much more fundamental going on the, the ground shifting from under the feet of the newly dose of shouldn't fain. and the d u. p regardless of the stature in the last will actually if you look at the performance supposed to be inch and then we see is, is dropped slightly higher, i think for the b u. p than she battle to some extent. but partly because b s b l piece the back and once they analyze should be taken off of the paper.

that's a tale. but in and for in which champagne i've been working the pick up, we're still p for years and managed to do it in 2017 by law. stop 517000 votes to the lp in belfast, which for years was difficult for the us. the lp to hold on to claire, hama, came through with a massive majority because she started taking votes from even working class protestant areas, because they're fed up with this shaun, shaun fight, fight every day, and storm on the balls and bring anything forward. so, you know, i think there is definitely momentum there you see it in the census figures. you see in this pulling away from an argument over the constitution that never seems to have any eagerness, except there's always a promise of a border pals. i'm saying, but nobody ever puts any meat on those particular bones, so violent

a field team or sluggard or kill would that be a safe space for me? but i feel types of, you know, nice politics for, for some time to come. well, i hope so. you know, novice, you've got many, a young chart but you know, i think i see a space for people to share ideas that you know and perspectives, but otherwise wouldn't get shared books. you know, we'll see by adding market note mcfield, if i get so much for joining me once again. malik simon show pleasure. alex northern ireland may be 100 years old, but the state of the province is very far from stable. after the good friday agreement with peace increasingly embedded, it was hoped that both communities would settle for a joint stake and the future. the opinion had to affectively eliminated. border

politics in the island of ireland. while all parties that he got into the stake involved government breaks, it destabilized everything, the set a border port violence on land has been placed by seizing union as discontent. the protocol agreed between westminster and judith over the heads of storm and as ever in fact, the circumstance, politicians who suggest accommodation with reality. i sweat the site by those who prefer a hard line approach. thus, the democratic unionist party, the dominant part of northern island for the last 2 decades, has gone to 3 leaders in 3 weeks quickly. it also doesn't help the unionist insecurities to have the knowledge that this year census is likely to record the 1st protestant minority and the history of the province. some like k toys, believe that the political possession will be dissolved by ireland leaving the european union. others believe that i should have his course now than it has been

since partition other head like mac fealty. see the emergence of a new center book, concentrating on the delivery of social and economic advances can elected tired of constitutional politics. whatever the destination of change the process of getting there is unlikely to be a comfortable one, an ex maddox, myself and all issue is good bye, stacy. and we hope to see you all again next week. ah, me ah, ah, today industry prefers millions of you know,

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