joining me now from dubai is that kind of sons, former ambassador to both china and pockets. son, ambassador john moses, i used to speak for afghanistan, foreign ministry, and is now vice president of the heart major society about that. thanks so much for coming on. so they left in the middle of the night. i don't know what african authorities even thought about the fact they hadn't told the come on this on the u . s. base in afghan, this done, would you want you to make of the us military running away? the american look brought, this is a is a fact. this is something that we knew about for a long time. the question is, what do we do now? now that the americans are leaving after 20 years, what is the government going to do? what are the telephone going to do, and what is the region around the finest i'm going to do best? these are the key players. obviously, the united states will continue to have a key role. the european union will have to continue have a role. other countries either a see the finest international partners, donor countries that provide development assistance will have a, a key role to play. but it's basically up to the government, the taliban and the region around the understand that need to decide what they're

going to do to prevent the gradation of the escalating violence into not just the civil war, but also regional proxy war that will dry and not just next door neighbors of a major regional power into something that will benefit no one and harm the people of understand, but also the region around the country. well, talking about the region right on cue. within days of the withdrawal, there's been the terror on inter african summit. what is the significance of the summit in test run? every single one of the finest $16.00 next door neighbors, and all the major regional powers in the broader region. as extremely important, also play when it comes to war and peace of mind to spend it on as the next door, neighbor of honest country with which we share a common language history, religion and to significant common interests both in the security arena,

but also in the arena, economic cooperation, etc. iran has an option, the central role to play in support of the peace process and a 100. but the iran cannot do that alone. because it has difficult relations with saudi arabia, which is another important country in the region, not an extra number of, honest, but an important country in the region. and iran has to work with pockets, which is the key backer of lavon. iran has to work with india, which is a key backer of the stomach bug or from one of the government. iran has to work with china with russia, with this information. republics. it has to work with turkey. but the fact that the iran has extended an official invitation, another official invitation upon the fact that they have accepted that invitation and were in town for 2 days. and also interactive, not just with the iranians, but also with their fellow funds from the public side. those are very positive

signs, but these are disjointed efforts must, who are less into a region wide conversation into a region life and sense as because otherwise as we witnessed the 900 ninety's, different fits of countries will move in, in different and most like the opposite directions. yeah, indeed, iran is made a joint declaration with russia and turkey against israeli strikes on syria in the past few days. and then we reported reproach more attempts with saudi arabia, but use a iran inviting the taliban. we had the spokesperson child shaheen on this program . people can watch it on our youtube channel. he didn't seem to be a head chopper or a stoner of women, or we didn't really get into l g b t q plus issues. has the taliban recently changed or or is that out of band? pretty much the kind of human its abuses,

abuses they are famous for being. that's an essential question that i think leadership development have to answer. it's been very difficult to get the taliban to spell out their vision for a peaceful of understand their plan for what you mean going on. there's still not spelling it out how long of the day to remind us how long we talked to going on. they've been going on for more than 2 years. actually they've been these talks, not in the current format, but in, in, in different iterations. i've been going on at least 2013. it's not earlier because that's when the office was initially established and, and that's when i served in the government, but it's been a few years that i am, i have not been in the government. they were very specific and their negotiations with the american because that was a goal that they had specifically outline the departure of foreign forces. but when it comes to negotiations with the government,

the taliban has always stuck to very general principles and general statements, which is we want them to make government. we will honor the rights of citizens including women in accordance with shania and islam. but they have not really gotten into the specifics to what that means. so that you see, when, when you, when you're, when you imagine, as i say, i mean isis, diane, i think most people in the region realized, had their relationship with the united states on british governments, through proxies in syria. how can the united states be an honest broker in any of these talks? you say the better relationship for 20 years? again, it's done a pretty complicated relationship. arguably, given that they supported the magenta dean, obviously that formed the taliban in the 1st place. how can they should, should the talks does not move. instead of don't, they should be in beijing or moscow rather than more than dough, which is closely aligned to the united states, arguably where these are 2 things. one is the role of the united. so the united

states, as obviously as a major world power as a responsibility to work for peace and honest. and if they have been a part of the war, they started the war on october 7th, 2001. and now they're leaving after 20 years. so far it was with little regard to the consequences for the people who understand in the region, but it's hardly surprising that with little consequence. i mean, you know, you know, look at vietnam and it's even in nature, nation, mainstream media here, the comparison, it's gone. no, you mean susie, why are african the diplomats like you have served for chemist on the, in china and in particular what, why, why do you bother with them? some may ask, and some afghans may ask, well, i mean they have, they have an interest in the region that they have outlined. this is not something that we are selling. they have outlined counterterrorism guarantees as

a key national security interest of the united states related to they have some back on region and they want to guarantee that they have to work for a peaceful, stable of understanding a peaceful, stable region. they say they want that, but who finances, the taliban, who finances the terrorism? where are the weapons coming from the american weapons being used against afghan officials, while these, i mean, these are weapons from all over the place. and that's a discussion that property is to these have to get into obviously the u. s. as to be held accountable and responsible for its actions going forward. and it has to offer the diplomatic and economic support and political support the president by them has committed themselves to the providing for the peace process. and one is done, but it's up to beijing. moscow slam about the deli had on these capitals that must instead of talking about peaceful, stable and in general terms, they have to come together and define a very specific concrete support mechanism. i'm going to like you to do it

whenever they come on government and the relevant to to do that want to go to do it . all these other countries shouldn't be the african people themselves was primarily the responsibility of the people. but if you look at the map of this vision of amazon as a landlord country, so whatever weapons explosives and foreign fighters flowing, so they come through neighboring countries. and so it's the responsibility of these different countries that are parties to the f one war that have to step up that have to make a decision that continue fighting and continued violence is not in their interest. because if there is another collapse, god forbid, in another state collapse, then the consequences will be parable for the f one people. but it, the consequences will also not spare the region because they will be spell over of arizona spent over radicalism and extremism. and also, you know,

the consequence that the region will not be able to achieve the common vision that the region i know the find, the regional city trade and transit trade and, you know, increase prosperity. and that's going to the prosperity because obviously the, the predictable pessimism about afghanistan in the nature nation, mainstream media repeats itself, specially after the withdrawal of us troops. how can i get this done? go without us occupation troops anecdotally, any person that i talk to from afghanistan seems to say there's been massive chinese investment going on in afghanistan, an infrastructure project of mass strategic projects that hopefully will benefit the africa. and people give us some optimism and positivity about that. huge foreign investment right now, going into afghanistan. i think this is a starting point for not just the region because it's not just china that is

outside that spectrum rather initiative and it's 4 and hundreds of billions of dollars into a stretch of projects. and then to other trade in transit and technology development projects, but it's also india that has its own vision regional connectivity and regional integration. russia has outlined its own vision 30 about trying to envision it on august on the central asian neighbors. they have on prioritize, economic development, regional economic integration, and increased trade in transit trade. so this is a moment when all the countries around the farmers have come to the same page when it comes to the future of the region, which is one of the common development you didn't mention here. i presume, saudi arabia saudi arabia as well. but the radio in terms of the heart of asia region is a little on the on the margins if you like. it's a little farther afield. the countries that i outline are either next door neighbors or major regional powers that have outland,

specific regional development plans with, with, with a direct connection of the room initiative. for example, the chinese about line sees of understand as a link t link between the participant corridor, which as you know is, is a multi $1000000000.00 project that's taking place right now. and the china central asia, west asia, on the court, or that goes from china through central asia, 8 on all the way to turkey. and linking these to would only be possible. so that's where the location becomes vital for regional connectivity, not just in terms of physical infrastructure, but also in terms of the goods, people, energy, data and all that. and that's some, that's a vision that will benefit everyone. and for that you have to have a peaceful, stable, and so there is a, there is a, there's

a trillion dollar opportunity for the region to work towards peace and security. and if i'm the son, which is very much of a go on in the coming. ready few months, ambassador, thank you. thank you so much after the break. ahead of what would it be in the 53rd birthday of iconic theorist, an activist smoke fisher. we examine the futures that never were not his friend and colleague, also david stubbs. what the legendary k punk found would have made of corona, virus capitalism and marxist football. alyssa more coming up about 2 of going undergrad. ah, people with diabetes to number raises, whether it's not adequately managed or that they have some immune problem. then their risk of infections and something like the kind of the 19 pandemic was very bad news. the people diabetes. and we consider it as one of the very high

risk situations in terms of people being infected. the when i would chose the wrong when i just don't the rules yet to see out the thing because the attitude and engagement equal betrayal. when too many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground in and as part of this international mega science with that project can neither is being built into. it's going to allow the scientists to study matter.

they believe it existed adjusted to the big bang, good form. ah, more flu shane and the furniture living authority of the 191332 teach as a country the montage boma some go out and we just got that niga emotions here from gulf that i could almost even move this. we could use that as the me welcome back to my remarks, what wouldn't be in the 53rd birthday of mark fisher, the legendary theorist or the political activists in engine. at pioneer blogging under the monica cape monk, seen by many as one of the greatest political think is of the 21st century. the

influence of his writings on your liberalism, meritocracy, and class cannot be overstated. he was also a football fan co founding the football blog minus the shooting. so that's been 24 hours ahead of you or 2020 final on join. now by his friend and colleague, david stubbs. david, thanks so much for coming on. i'll get to football in a, in a bit and my, and my is the shooting for those that don't know who mark fischer is. tell us why is considered by some to be one of the greatest english language thinkers off the 21st century. actually, any house you know where to begin, really because he is such a sort of boss. did he just kind of boss terrain? in this monumental volume k puck, he does everything from cinema to renew laborers and he makes these kind of connections, you know, between popular culture and politics that i mean, lot of people do that. they did it in such a kind of, he was least go imagine that way. when it comes up more months with image

is inspirational. despite the dissent supply talks about melancholia and morning sped, i think that you know, you kind of mrs. through the 21st century the same time he's desperate to kind of been sort of a positivity his sense of futures in the sense of what is actually possible in a century in which a lot of that kind of been forgotten. so yeah, absolutely. it's just the sheer range sheet energy, the sheer erudition, but i think that entitle him to those kind of clothes. i mean, just one dimension of his work. obviously, mental health let alone during a pandemic is become a mainstream concern in new liberal media. just remind is why he would call mental health privatized stress when it was used, the way that phrase is used in the media. well, yeah, i mean, i think from his point of view,

he did obviously suffer mental health difficulties. but he didn't regard them as the most people did. it's just something that is sort of randomly visited and people he regarded it as, you know, due to this stress becomes the size of that we're living in. and, you know, he will call that be ideal reply all the keys. he's will companies kind of make boss money on sort of as depressions and things like that. the whole industry that and the idea that a system that makes you stick isn't just have to be to, you know, think that was one of the things, the kind of anger and he got open disdain for the mainstream media. so gold and academia as well. well yes, because i suppose that's something to start with in the ninety's and initially did kind of, he was slightly young. he left his in the sense in the ninety's. he belong to the base, which we subscribe to. what i think send acceleration isn't, you know, they didn't, you know, he's, he thought it was so dry and the punch capitalism isn't going to dom contradictions,

nothing ever dies and contradictions. so thank you. second part from left this academic thinking in the 900, not in the 1900 ninety's he regards to dr. mark was anything but dry and so wouldn't speak. you know, there's a kind of a very, very, sort of in passion, way in which we have to hold the audience and, you know, always hand when you saw it was not easy start just kind of simplifies with, with, with students. and what young people are going through in this day and age and the privileges that they've been denied that the previous generation had. and i think that's what and tell him to write the capital. it's realism is. i know it because i think he felt the kind, this is what happened really generation sort of post blair or whatever, certain kind of pragmatism setting along the block, imposed by the old on to the young. it's kind of say, you know,

and it's coming from the people, how do these privileges, expectations of things that you call these things anymore. lawyer expectations, just labor and duties hold you despise all of that. he wanted to kind of reignite a sense of the possible for the night. so we hope is to week. if you just have more than and what was it like to know him? i mean, his vast references was one. what has to say there's a nod to roland boards and the french philosophers of the seventy's and eighty's. what was it like to know someone so well read work with him. i was strange him and he wasn't this kind of intimidating character. i mean, well, i guess capital me because of the 1st mentioned metalli's, right? melody maker. and even though the reader melody major. so he kind of approached me . it was kind of some voice on the way it was great. and his senses like to

have with some of the other i'm just margin the old and so supposed to be i didn't feel he was just kind of intimidating presence and he wasn't in any case go together and we chat about all kinds of things, but not necessarily, it's the sort of level of intensity that the impulse in his text. i mean, you know, and so i think, you know, you know, he was, yeah, it was definitely coach was primary as a friendly. but i mean, unlike continental philosophy, he seems he just sounds when you read and much angrier as he relates politics to film and to music of him for those that don't know, melody make up very famous when buster competitor the enemy, he sounds much very so much anger in his writing with reference to popular culture and politics. yeah. i mean, you know, i mean it's just one of the energy use though. i think there's also a sort of sense of optimism as well as, you know, they spend it,

there's all kinds of things kind of rolling at the same time. he's writing, you know, it's just hugely usually energetic. i mean, my sense is up from depression. the actually suffered his instrument, so the black cell work is that it's completely futile when we need every body's not silence by always regard the energy, the as in the said, he's crazy and his writing this sort of towering edifices which were tempted based down the condition of his depression, i think that was sent to the meeting, one of the things accounting for his energy, how prolific he was just how much ground he covers. and what do you think? what would they think of artists and writers and painters who still to this day will appear on a tv interview and go on? not political. i mean it, as he, as he killed the ability of celebrities to say that i think, you know, i think he was, everything is political. you know,

the idea that there would be even things that operate outside of the political, you know, the politics of their life. down here, i mean, he thought, actually inside this change roy sometime to go to mall shopping, all i didn't see as a potential paradigm as to how communism a future communism could work. and he would see that political in everything. obviously, he wrote about labors destruction, of working class aspiration from his visit. have to ask you, what do you think he would make of this new labor lead, relatively new care stormer, and some of his cabinet shadow cabinet members who seem jacket, that capital is realism. you referred to in that. there is no alternative out that this is what it is we can cut around the edges of bit, but there's no alternative to capitalism here. i mean, i know, sadly, i think that some kids, tommy, is kind of resuming where labor's left off in 2015 and going by the same playbook.

and you know, making the same colors and refusing really to chasing an elderly generation generation expense of the young and really getting young people any sort of possibility or confidentiality. some things really believed in now on tele football tomorrow. why you have to remind us why joel? well, the famous snitch, of course he said the names of people to the british intelligence services of people, he didn't like of condemning them as communist. why didn't he like wells description of football as more minus the shooting? yeah, well again, i think the probably those sentiments reply to stay on the call. so you know barry's intellectuals for football and something he did not share at all. football was another great popular passions. he was actually at. hillsboro begins or nothing or support and he was a nazi and he was at the notting and ours and when obviously the whole dreadful

social events unfolded it. the other end, which is linked to policing of the minus strike, which is mentioned in reporting about the hills, were inquiring mostly just shows how you know everything is going to go with someone. you may have noticed the way the current tournament, your 2020 is being portrayed in. wow. hurricanes. amazing green issues. i mean, these are all working class men, young men. why do you think none of them stop to think of why there are no working class men, or why the disproportionately hardly any working class brain surgeons or a symphony composers or architect? why does no one stop to think that they somehow get into football, but they, they don't bother with those other professions? well, yeah, i mean, does it, you know, that's one concerning that, that question, really, it's meant that goes back to, i guess, you know,

university and student grounds this up on that. i mean, i went locks it, but if it 951, you know, if i went to be nice, navy ones walks in 1951. it would not be a challenge. going to offset coming from my background and 30 is all or 3040 is all i equally wouldn't stand to challenge, you know in it. you know, it's, i mean, yes, absolutely. you know those, those questions to be should be res. i mean, in terms of like, i guess that the question of class becomes obscure because obviously, well as weak string li, wealthy nowadays is one possibility. but no, i mean not that is absolutely the kind of question to be raised. and i think that just one of the things that mark, believe me know, it is kind of raising questions, especially in connection with popular cultural, everyday culture likable. and pub, whichever. and connection to politics in a way that's just simply, you know, by, you know, most context, would you, would he and you amused by this take go for this big conversation amongst circle

mainstream media. talking about garrett, south gate, marxism in because of taking me in the civil rights struggle. i mean the, what's your take on that to be marxism is rather strange. i'm sure it's just what you can really make. the claim is an essential decency about this team. and you can even say, well, if they represent a certain kind, they're placing a certain kind of patriotism. you can make an argument all pages and pages doesn't have to be about kind of flag waving folks of the queen in the background. those singing down both to songs all the following. the rain, all of that kind of dress. nonsense. patriotism might just simply me as people at mark's rash written, i'm certainly have demonstrated through the through that thieves. it could just mean feeling a duty of care to your community, to your country. you make sure that you know that everybody's okay. so,

and i think that's something that goes beyond the believe also the back to the kind of like this to the, to even the like, it depends on immigration, you know, that you know, the aggressive and immigration policies. the suit to tell you that about 2 or 3 players in this accounting team. and just finally, i got to ask, isn't your, you written about electronic music? i mean, do you think that the government will weaponized corona virus, young people further in terms of nightclubs and the music industry and popular culture in favor of i suppose opera or art that benefits the stages quote, will be coming in. and i think in pre kind of virus for young people to find the kind of spaces to enjoy, you know, res, clubbing or whatever. i mean, all of that is kind of excluded by rising property prices. and yeah, i mean, even if it's not an active conscious policy is something that's definitely

happening. david subs, thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. will be back on monday. did all the vaccine apart sammons out 2 times i've asked you to be gay, is explanation, takes center stage, and you gave him the confirmation of prime minister bars johnson's freedom day until then keep in touch with social media and let us know who you think will in your 2020 ah ah, national episode, summer solutions today we're talking with john beano of dollar collapse dot com safety right 2021 has been the year of the i word inflation even the central bank is mentioning inflation. is it transitory? however, as the central bank is arguing, or are we going to see something worse coming forward in the next year or 2?

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