ah, ah, the headlines here on oxy putting a country when your opponent is the strongest power that was drawn between the us pull out from the gun on the vietnam war to reports from recaptured territory to the taliban. and once again, imposing severe restrictions under, should we? law? russia insinuates that germany had a bonds, knowledge of what would happen to alexi and evolving as it revealed berlin off the o. p. c, w to send a team of poison experts on the very day, the prevalent critic fell ill on board a plane inside russian and to please help the haitian government off the u. s. u n . to send troops to protect countries key infrastructure. days after the president was fascinated in the home of funding the island nation into oil.

ah, i just not to 10 pm on saturday. here are the most go. this is on the international from all of us. here are very warm. so the taliban has been making further territorial gains in afghanistan, including at major border crossing points, for example, with iran and now took menaced on reports that suggest the groups imposing strict shari'a laws similar to those deployed when they were last empowered. 20 years ago . for example, the including forbidding women from leaving home without a male companion. now it comes as america pulled all his troops out of the country, prompting echoes of an earlier conflict that is a saskia taylor now reports. it only took 20 years, 47000 civilian deaths and 2 trillion dollars for the u. s. to finally realize that i've got to stop has the right to determine its own fate. i will much send

another generation america to war and i can stand with no reasonable expectation of achieving the different outcome. we did not go to afghanistan to nation bill. it is the right and the responsibility of the afghan people alone to decide their future and how they want to run their country. a think saving way of saying, but nothing has been achieved into decades. i'm backing out of the yes. mason building promises made all those years ago, piece will be achieved by helping i'm going to on train and develop its own national army. and peace will be achieved through an education system for boys and girls, which works to one of the many pledges that never came through. forgotten about as the u. s. army hasty packed up and flew out. having struck a deal with the very enemy, it invaded to annihilate,

leaving no long last in peace plan. but hey, as the town of bon recap to swathes of territory, and these washington sending its best wishes to it's a bond and our lives in kabul. we're going to stick with you, do our best to see to and you have to and so america for as a war rap stop with the enemies sergeant back to ascendancy its allies vulnerable and 1000000 still desperate for that piece. they were promised all those years ago, travel 4 and a half 1000 kilometer east. and you'll find the cause of a number of americas as a wars. vietnam, yes, the us will then saving the people from the red terra. not the taliban, tara. but really the parallels a striking, starting with time old promise of freedom stability and democracy. first, the vietnamese with our help and that's about all the allies really making any

progress. is there a ford movement? the reports, i see, make it clear that there is certainly there is a positive movement towards constitutional government. the people wanted elected responsive governments pretty quickly that positive energy fell apart. and washington realized that victory was impossible ring about. and so just isn't. i've got to st on it in to deal with the enemy and stuff how to get rid of in the 1st place, the communists in north vietnam. and after years of effort, we negotiated settlement, which made it possible for us to remove our forces with honor and bring home our prisoners. though, at least unlike president biden, today, who dodges questions about to guilty conscience? president ford had the decency to just cross out the words with honor in his final speech. i wouldn't days off who afghan asked on the u. s. pulled out soon after that speech leading the allies with you guessed it,

promises that would never come true. so pledges were given to us that the united states will retaliate swiftly and vigorously to any violation of the agreement. we consider those pledges the most important guarantees of the paris agreement. those pledges have now become the most crucial ones to us survival. 2 years later, south vietnam abandoned of the 2 decades of american presents was con, could by its more than neva with the taliban, claiming to control 80 percent of africa lands by 25 percent less than when the us invaded. there's a growing that cobble won't even last 2 years. they say history is the greatest teacher. but if that's the case, why has the us lot nothing? and how many of the countries will have to lie in ruins before it finally does. when asked by a journalist, joe biden insisted there's no similarity between the us withdrawals from vietnam

and i've gone on. the president said he believes the taliban is not as strong as reports suggest and that's and it's a takeover of the nation is quote, not inevitable. meanwhile, a former african interpreter who ought to be identified as raffi for security reasons, pulled us about the persecution. people like him faced from the taliban since 2001 . the narrative was that the taliban or terrorist for against dollar bond, whatever was from day one today, murder. the americans before running away released some 6000 of these. deborah's, they have already struck the deal that another $7000.00 of these terrorists will be released now or who will be left behind to pay for the declines. the americans off committed the americans being enough to understand wasn't a crime. then why would you run away like that, and leave interpreters and those who worked alongside you interest?

russia has raised concerns about germany's power and clairvoyance over what happened to kremlin critic, alexia nevada. the last year, it notes that berlin asked the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons to send him a team of poison experts, right on the day the opposition figure fell ill on an internal russian flight. and before it was clear that he would even be sent to germany for treatment, a correspondent equal to don off investigates. so the russian foreign ministries trying to make sense of some new information that came to light in a fresh o p c. w report in the document the agency is detailing and so patients last year, in one of the paragraphs, it lays out the timeline of its involvement in handling the suspected poisoning of election. a volley is this bit. at the request of germany, on the 20th of august 2020, the secretariat deployed the team to perform

a technical assistance visit in relation to the suspected poisoning of a russian citizen. so according to this report, the o. p. c. w. having received apparently all ready, the official request from germany on the 20th of august, it had already assembled and even deployed a team of poison experts to germany on the 20th of august. the thing is that was the very same day when the whole world had learned about the situation with the russian opposition figure. he felt sick on board of a plane. early in the morning, the plane made an emergency landing in one of russia's siberian cities. and that's where election i've only received 1st treatment. he was in a critical condition. it wasn't until the 2nd half of the day. in fact, it was evening, even in europe. already. when angela merkle entered, manuel mac kron. they both stepped forward and the german chancellor offered her help of germany's help to bring alexis of only back to his feet. and this is

something that doesn't sit right according to the foreign ministry because how did the agency the o. p c, w, have time to get the request, assemble and deploy a team of experts, everything on the same day. and it even says a german is request. can you imagine how much time is needed to prepare an application from a state to the o. b, c, w with a request for assistance in the investigation of chemical weapons poisoning and germany must have had at least something in his hands to have grounds for contacting the p. c. w. but here's the thing, the russian diplomats had the opportunity to ask this question to the head of o, p c, w, and a representative of germany. so when the russian side asked, how did the agency manage to be so remarkably efficient? the response from the o p c, w had was silence, but then the representative of germany chimed in. and here's the recollection of events by the spokeswoman of the russian foreign ministry, maria,

the heart of she came up with an ingenious idea and let me stress that was in the presence of dozens of foreign representatives in her opinion. it was a typo which annoyingly hadn't been corrected in time, but the head of the o. b. c. w remained established silent, and then something completely unimaginable happened. the german permanent representative said she remembered everything on august 20 miracle met with a crone in bread and so and they both expressed their readiness to provide medical assistance to volley. so again, that was the account of murray as of the spokeswoman for the russian foreign ministry, but perhaps one of the dozens of foreign diplomats who were apparently also present that the meeting could confirm or well contradict. deny this recollection of events, but the brushing side is adamant they will be demanding answers and not just answers, but something backed by proofs and documents and possibly out here at moscow. the

haitian government has asked us to send around 500 troops to help protect some of the countries key infrastructure. the car be a nation, has also made a similar request to the united nations. now the move comes directly in the wake of the assassination of hate. his president, which has left the country in turmoil. a crowd of about a 1000 desperate haitians flocked to the u. s. embassy imported brands to apply for visas to leave the country and it fears of further on rest. they were unsubstantiated rumors on radio and social media that the us would be handing out humanitarian visas. aut correspondent caleb often has been following the latest development. while the united states is drawing down and removing its military presence from afghanistan, but it appears it will now have a new opportunity to flex its muscles much closer to home in the western hemisphere . now haiti is in a state of unrest 2 days after the president was assassinated. and we now

understand that local official goals are calling for the united states to send its forces into the country to contain the unrest and to protect the infrastructure of the country. the ports, as well as the airports and the natural gas and, and petroleum reserves. so at this point, it's not clear. if the united states will actually send troops in, there will be law enforcement officials dispatched to the country to help get to the bottom of who assassinated the president. the united states remains engaged and enclosed consultations with our haitian and international partners to support the haitian people in the aftermath of the assassination of the president and response to the haitian governments request for security and investigative assistance. we will be sending senior s t i n t h officials to port a prince as soon as possible to assess the situation and how we may be able to assist. we are also starting to get a clearer picture of the kill squad that was sent. and ultimately did take the life

of the haitian leader. now it was made up of $28.00 individuals, 2 of whom were haitian americans, the rest of whom were from columbia. and those individuals, some of them have been captured by authorities. there was a firefight gunfight that went on many hours into the night in which, in which several, 3 of the assassins were killed. some have been captured, these assailants, the thugs, who killed the presidents. we've caught them. we've captured them there in the hands of the police, as you can see now 2 american citizens of the haitian descent were among the assassin crew, according to haitian officials, the us state department has not yet confirmed that russia has express concerns that external forces may be manipulating events in the country to serve their own geo political interests. they've also pointed to the u. s. citizenship of 2 of the suspected assassins. but at this point, the situation,

the countries and sufficing the parliament is pretty much defunct. there are 2 individuals claiming to be the rightful successor of mcquease. in addition to that, we understand the senate has sworn in joseph lambert as the new president of haiti . but unrest is escalating. the military, at this point is on the streets and has declared martial law. all are watching haiti to see what develops. as kelly mentioned, among the 20, i suspects are 2 american citizens of haitian descent report suggest they were working as translators for the hit squad. the operation is said to have been planned for a month and same with apparently not to kill the president rather bring him to the national palace on a warren's expert on the region. daniel shore believes it was a classic coup d'etat the links between the drug enforcement agency, the different television services in columbia. in the us, in haiti,

definitely coordination. nothing happens in haiti economically, politically, diplomatically, militarily paramilitary without the u. s. is being involved. this could be the justification for the next us away if you win the try factor of evil imperialism for the next invasion and occupation of haiti, where the entire economy is us sweatshops and us agribusiness. so this whole myth about haiti being poor and having no geo political and economic, she's important for the united states, is ridiculous. so right now, it looks like a palace school, different wings of the haitian booth was the both of which would be in touch with different parts of the state department or the pentagon or the cia, or the d. e a. or these are the proxy forces from taiwan and what we're seeing columbia, they would be buying for this power. they would have their own graves, we chauvinism, louise, and there's a lot of egos in narcissism involved. but at the end of the day, this is

a lot of pallets entry with what matters are the interests of the haitian people. and as they said to me as i was still in transit to new york city, leaving cap haitian, the 2nd biggest city and haiti, we were hungry when we woke up on tuesday. the president in the dictated, was killed. we had the same hunger when we woke up on wednesday. so the u. k wants to bind its shacks from boiling lobsters alive and recognize cross stations as capable of pain. we debate with our panel whether squid and crabs are fully fledged members of the moral community, after a very short prag. oh the, the people with the term number raises, whether it's not adequately managed or that they have some immune problem. then their risk of infections and something like the coven 19 pandemic,

was very bad news. the people diabetes. and we consider it as one of the very high risk situations in terms of people being infected ah, the driven by dreams shaped by those with the in me dares thing. we dare to ask me.

ah, going to be with us today for the program. high end ship in the u. k. could be having to change their ways. there's the country plans to ban boiling lobsters alive. it's partly fangs to activists from cross station compassion, who say the animals feel pain. there is more than enough evidence about the ability of this senses if captivating, creatures to feel pain and suffer the undergo paul in treatment in the food industry. the government also intends to recognise crabs, octopuses, and squid as capable of pain is part of the animal welfare bill, which initially only apply to vertebrates. a few countries have already banned boarding lobster, alive among them, switzerland, norway, and new zealand. alternatives include stunning the lobster 1st, either with electricity or ice or killing it mechanically. now,

some scientists though, argue that crustacean nervous systems are differently built and incapable of pain, claiming that their bodies respond merely reflectively to stimuli. a critics of the bill also argue that it will be detrimental to fishermen whose income depends on that lobster casual. let's take this for the let's debate the issue now about u. k base guess a ben harris kinney from the conservative think tank the bo group is in hot, which up it's tonight, kate warner as well. the senior campaigns manager for peter and andre walker, a political commentator in windsor, all 3 of you. thank you very much for joining us here on the international on this saturday evening. it's a great, great to have you with us tonight. we'll start with ben harris kinney showing compassion to more species that does. that's a good thing, isn't it? it can be but, but legislation is, is not one line legislation is very complicated. and a lot of concerns have been raised about this bill that there are going to be many unintended consequences in terms of what we mean for fishermen,

for full food production for the final cost to the consumer. and i think there's also a question of why it is being done. now. we have a global and domestic pandemic that we are still struggling to get through. there is going to be a huge economic pulling out from it. and it smacks, i think, to a lot of people, including myself as a bit of virtue, sickening and taking time in parliament where there are many, many other more pressing and urgent prices. well, i think they might always be that argument. they will always be more pressing priority to it, priorities to address, but kate, over to you, forgive me for being devil's advocate. but what's next? cockroaches when we can go on what this land titles us and right now it tells us that animals with a nervous system and can feel pain and stuff that you know, we think that this is a really big step forward for the animals. it's not just this bush but

a sentence and by recognizing that, you know, and crap and other stuff and i could conceal paying the government is, is going to ban, protect them with other animal welfare legislation, which will mean that they can no longer be killed in an inhumane way transferred to candle, you know, in an inhumane way, which is, which is great. i mean, we're a nation of animal lovers. we don't want cents in animal suppress. this is rightly protecting these animals and their welfare. andre, that the technology exists, obviously to do this more humanely so. so why isn't it mandatory? do you think? well, i think it's incredibly dangerous. in reality, a part of the reason that c food is treated in the way it's treated is because of the danger to humans from us. for example, the automobile that before it's cooked for any reasonable bunch of time. so there is a danger to humans, but of course, that's not the debate really, that's taking place. what's taking place here is this whole concept of what you

will do is piece by piece make the, the, to your bottom where that to be facial molars illegal. and what you do is piece by piece. and it reminds me very much of this debate to the united states of america, where of course, you know, the and already the national rifle association made out to be absolute extreme, proposing every single little change in legislation to quote unquote, make good ownership safer. respect do it is because i know the end result that people that the campaign a boat to make guns are legal and we are the pizza would not be in favor of this measure unless they wanted to make it illegal to each a lobster. and of course what happens is when seafood becomes incredibly dangerous, because it's kelly bonds, then what happens is it becomes impossible to eat it so they get their outcome. i actually would much rather sit and be honest about those. i'd say immunology based about bombing bait fighting fish and bonding full forms of slaughter to the patches of food that is something that i opposed, and i'm willing to sound the concern. i pancake case you look like you've got

something to say in response to this. you know, this isn't about banning the thing. animals obviously piece of would like to live in a world where people are killing and consuming animals. but this isn't going to make it illegal to eat most different crabs and you know, it requires the bill will require a policy make take on and needs into accounts when making. i'm 2nd go on. i didn't, i didn't say this piece of legislation. bond, the eating of lobsters, what i said is it's part with incremental process. what the check to, to make it hard for all the, to produce a slaughter creatures for the purposes of i see that the credit, the dangerous likely slope. i just want to think we might just, just if i can, we've got a look of concern on the face of been hires. kitty have not been in the past. people were quite happy with what should i say tolerant of treating farm animals fairly poorly. but i think choose have change, i mean, do you think it's, do you think it's perhaps time to speed up and come up with the contemporary times

and show more compassion to not just farm animals, but merits maritime animals as well as see the sea food and the sea life and all that? well, i think it should be left up to the consumer and i think it is a good thing that we now have much better information in terms of the products we are. we are buying. i don't believe in buying things. the debate this just go on is, is suggest, this is amendment to find things. what we know the program is on the table to be banned. i think other, other stuff will follow whether it is the ultimate destination to, to bind all meat products. will animal products, what we do know is that it makes them a lot more expensive for the, for the average consumer. and so predictions are the sorts of wealth measures will increase the, the final cost, the products by about 20 percent. now that's all right for the very wealthy, but what it means for a lot of people is that their shopping gets

a lot more expensive and they're having to cut down on the products that are consuming. not because just because they're buying that because they can no longer afford them. so you know, that is a bad for a lot of people, little people that haven't got the money to spend 20 percent more on things. and i do think that the debate is, is being considered, you know, it's very easy to say, well, we will want to treat animals better. yes, that's true. but you've got to balance that with the human desire to consume animals for food. and if what you are doing is simply increasing the cost of that year on year, you're going to exclude a lot of people from, from having the choice to, to price the consumer products. and really that's, that's what i think is the problem with this kind of thing. it's not for the government to tell us what we should or shouldn't be having. you know, this is the 21st century. the people should be in charge and perhaps

a probably label then the public can decide whether they want to spend 20 percent born or on, on a product that has all these measures built in whether they want the cheaper products or at that allows them to. so you enjoy the, the food stuff say well let's, let's start with what, what time, more time. excuse me, about to kate again. i remember hearing years ago that the way if you want to be so called humane to a lot of it before you kill it, and he said, you throw it in the freezer, it drops into a deep sleep like a coma. and then you pull it out of the freezer and you and yet in your throw it into boiling water. you know, some of the alternatives are electrocuting them or mechanically killing them. i mean, all these, all these methods, really more humane. do you think? well, i mean, there are more humane ways to kill these animals, such as, you know, trying to please stunning them, putting them in cold water and may not actually on them. it may just spend them unable to move. so it may not be a humane light to them before. so to but you know,

ultimately we need to see these animals of the life and not the food. and i'm to the point that families just making, you know, yes, the public needs to be informed. they also needs to know that these animals and 70, and most people, when they find this information, not will align their morals with their actions. okay. and if it is purely a public information campaign, then we don't need these measures to band practice to suppress the fishing industry . and we don't need these, these measures by products. if it's just about the science, we can labor science for the public and leave the public to decide rather than a metropolitan that sits in westminster. we've been, we've been having, we've been having andre walker giggling over here under that the science isn't conclusive yet as to whether or not these creatures actually suffer. but surely it's better to err on the side of caution. would you say? i'm giggling simply because my old friends been high school. he just will not want

. let's just be clear what patron i'd say if, if you've got the information that people will do the right thing, when what way does not not talk tibetans point. the if you just keep information to the consumers and let them make their own decision, then the right decision will come about. and that is what, what that is the point about the dates, a direct span. the problem is the only charge is called only try to transfer to now remember something that's really important. fishing has been a major part of british political based holes in the past couple of years, particularly to be graduate. i used to work for the member paula for malcolm where a huge amount of muscles are produced. in fact, if you age moves in brussels, they're likely to come from like a shock. you know, these industries have been really downtrodden by the european union, and now they have the ability to come back. why on earth would we be signing back with a family, even peters as well? make any difference as long as there is good information for consumers. i mean, ok, i was going to say over to k, please carry on. i mean, if you will make

a difference because what we're saying is these animals are being formally recognized as being frontier and which means that no, it's not ok any more to dismember them alive, to spike them in the head. you know, we're saying actually we can't do that anymore. we have to treat them the same way that we would treat any other santian animals. you know, we wouldn't drop a calf into a boiling pulse of water and watch it die. i'm you know what was saying, it's ok, you know, they may have thought you just the gene, but they still suffer and they're still able to feel unexperienced pain in the same way that we do and other animals do. so actually, you know, it's not ok to kill them anything human life. and so the son, so we'll have a market difference because it will have a, you know, it will change of the legislation and mean it, these are the protected all the way through. okay. we were just on to our last comments. i do apologize for jumping it, but over to been hire is. can you put for the last comment here? it is a moral issue. is this a moral issue about right and wrong, or is it more of an economic issue? what's, what's your thoughts on this?

well, the best way, as i say to deal with issues of conscience and issues of morality is leave up to individuals. but the idea that we're now conflating food products with, with boiling pets is absolutely ludicrous. you know, people meet people, animals. ok that's, that's where humans, that's what we do. some people don't like it, but some people do. and so, rather than suggesting that the consumption meat and food is akin to all impacts, let's accept that there are differences in the use and in franchise people to make those differences in views, not by banning what they can have, not by massively increasing the cost of things so the chorus in society can't afford to the things they like less inform the public, but let's not control the public. why. i think at the end of the day that there's a certain silver lining here. and that is that people are trying to show a bit more respect to the animals and the creatures that share this planet with spend harris county from the the po group, kate one from p.