the quick thing, a country when your opponent is the strongest out of the drawn between the us, pull out propaganda so on under the war some reports from recapture totaling time about. and once again, i'm hoping severe restriction on the sherry, the russia. and anyway, the german, you how to develop knowledge of what, what of athens, but what would happen? well, it would explain of only revealed the ability to send a theme of poison x on the very day, the permanent critic, ill on motor plain inside russia and banging the drum for inclusion and the quality u. s. federal agency goes, woke itself in hot water, having to photoshop disabled people into the cover photos. they're going

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give a pillar to the ascendant superpower. the 21st century is on the horizon and the head of what would it be in the 53rd birthday of one of the century, the greatest political think as mark fisher. we speak to his friend and colleague, journalist david stubbs about the legacy of capital. it's realism, art is resistance, and the class dimension of football, just hours ahead of 2 more years due to the final between england and all the small coming up in today's going underground. the 1st on wednesday is showing our interview with the case for my drugs, our professor david not. he made an allegation that newspapers on fairly attacked his family after he was sacked by the british government, including the daily mail and mail on line the mail on line spokesman. has since responded with this statement, the articles some the facts drug adviser, david not pictured smoking cannabis on facebook was published on 14th november 29 on male online following a story that originally appeared in the sun. a complaint made to the p b. c. that professor, not son smoking a role up, not a joint in the picture, was resolved on the grounds of headline accuracy. and the article was removed from

the site. 2 days later, the levison inquiry took place in 20112012. and you can find that full interview on everything from heroin to cobra, with one of the world's top newer psycho pharmacologist on our youtube channel. well, the country infamous for opium production has been lamented on nature nation media . in the past few days, this after us troops ran from afghanistan on the cover of night. joining me now from do by is that kind of sounds, former ambassador to both china and pockets. son, ambassador john moses. i used to speak for afghanistan, foreign ministry, and is now vice president of the heart of major society about that. thanks so much for coming on. so they left in the middle of the night. i don't know what african authorities even thought about the fact they hadn't told the commanders on the us base in afghanistan. would you want you to make of the us military running away the america look broad is, is a, is a fact. this is something that we knew about for a long time. the question is, what do we do now now that the americans are leaving up to 20 years,

what is the government going to do? what are the color one going to do? and what is the region around the going to do best? these are the key players. obviously, the united states will continue to have a key role. the european union will have to continue have a role other countries father, a senior punishment, international partners, donor countries that provide development assistance will have a, a key role to play. but it's basically up to the government, the taliban and the region around the understand that need to decide what they're going to do to prevent the gradation of the escalating violence into not just the civil war, but also regional proxy war that will dry and not just next door neighbors of a major regional power into something that will benefit no one and harm people of understand, but also the region around the country. well, talking about the region right on cue. within days of the withdrawal, there's been the terror on inter african summit. what is the significance of the

summit in have run every single one of the finest $16.00 next door neighbors, and all the major regional powers in the broader region. as extremely important, also play when it comes to war and peace and understand it on as a next door neighbor of mine is one of the country with which we share a common language, history, religion and just significant common interests both and the security arena, but also in the arena, economic cooperation, etc. iran has an option of the central role to play in support of the peace process in a 100. but the iran cannot do that alone. because it has difficult relations with saudi arabia, which is another important country in the region, not an expert on an important country in the region. and iran has to work with pockets, which is the key backer of lavon. iran has to work with india, which is a key backer of the summit of the government. iran has work with china with russia

where this is related republics. it has to work with turkey. but the fact that iran has extended an official invitation. another proficient in the patients and upon the fact that they have accepted that invitation and were in town for 2 days and also interacted not just with the iranians but also with their fellow funds from the islamic republic side. those are very positive signs. but these hazard, disjointed efforts must, who are less into a region wide conversation into a region life and sense as because otherwise, as we witnessed in the 900 ninety's, different sets of countries will move in, in different and most likely opposite directions. yeah, indeed, the iran is made a joint declaration with russia and turkey against israeli strikes on syria in the past few days. and then we reported reproach more attempts with saudi arabia,

but use a iran inviting the taliban. we had the spokesperson sales shaheen on this program . people can watch it on our youtube channel. he didn't seem to be a head chopper or a stoner of women, or we didn't really get into l g b t q plus issues. has the taliban recently changed or or is that out of band? pretty much the kind of human rights abuses, abuses they are famous for being. that's an essential question that i think leadership development have to answer. it's been very difficult to get the farm to spell out their vision for a peaceful, understand, and their plan for being going on. and there's still not spelling it out how long of the day to remind us how long we talked to going on. they've been going on for more than 2 years. actually they've been these talks not in the current format, but in, in different iterations of at least this 2013. it's not earlier because that's

when the office was initially established and, and that's when i served in the government, but it's been a few years that i am, i have not been in the government. they were very specific and their negotiations with the american because that was a goal that they had specifically outline the departure of foreign forces. but when it comes to negotiations with the government, the taliban has always stuck to very general principles and general statements, which is we want them to make government. we will honor the rights of citizens including women in accordance with shania and islam. but they have not really gotten into the specifics of what that means, so that you see when, when you, when you're, when you imagine it's an i dash, i think most people in the region realize how the relationship with the united states and british governments, through proxies in syria, how can the united states to be an honest broker in any of these talks?

you say that the relationship for 20 years ganawe's done a pretty complicated relationship. arguably, given that they supported the magenta dean, obviously that formed the taliban in the 1st place. how can they should to the talks just not move, instead of they should be in beijing or moscow rather than more than dough, which is closely aligned to the united states, arguably where these are 2 things. one is the role of the united states or the united states, as obviously as a major world power as a responsibility to work for peace and honest. and if they have been a part of the war, they started the war on october 7th, 2001. and now they're leaving after 20 years. so far it was with little regard to the consequences for the people who understand in the region, but it's hardly surprising that with little consequence. i mean, you know, you know, look at vietnam and it's even in nature, nation mainstream meet here,

the comparison, it's gone. no, you mean susie, why are african diplomats like you have served for canister on the, in, in china and in park? is that why, why do you bother with them? some may ask, and some afghans may ask, well, i mean they have, they have an interest in the region that they have outlined. this is not something that we are selling. they have outlined counterterrorism guarantees as a key national security interest of the united states related to the region and that they want to guarantee them. they have to work for a peaceful, stable of understanding the peaceful, stable region. they say they want that, but who finance is the taliban? who finances the terrorism? where are the weapons coming from an american weapons being used against afghan officials, while these i mean, these are weapons from all over the place. and that's a discussion that property is to these have to get into obviously the u. s. as to be held accountable and responsible for its actions going forward. and it has to

offer the diplomatic and the mix, the 4th and political support, the president biden has committed themselves to providing for the peace passes and around the sun. but it's up to beijing. moscow, some about the valley they had on these capitals that mass instead of talking about peaceful stable in general terms, they have to come together and define a very specific concrete support mechanism for going to fly to do it whenever they come on government and the relevant to, to do that, what you got to do with all these other countries shouldn't be the african people themselves was primarily the responsibility of the people. but if you look at the map of this vision of amazon as a landlord country, so whatever weapons explosives and foreign fighters flowing on the sun, they come through neighboring countries. and so it's the responsibility of the neighboring countries that are parties to the f one war that have to step up that have to make

a decision that continued fighting and continued violence is not in their interest . because if there is another collapse, god forbid, in another state collapse, then the consequences will be parable for the f one people. but it, the consequences will also not spare the region because they will be spell over of arizona spent over radicalism and extremism. and also, you know, the consequence that the region will not be able to achieve the common vision that the reason i know the find, the regional credibility trade in terms of trade. and, you know, increase prosperity when i get to the prosperity because obviously the, the predictable pessimism about afghanistan in the nature nation. mainstream media repeats itself, specially after the withdrawal of us troops. how can i get this done? go without us occupation troops anecdotally, any person that i talk to from afghanistan to say there's been massive chinese

investment going on in afghanistan of infrastructure, project of mass strategic projects that hopefully will benefit the africa and people. he give us some optimism and positivity about that huge foreign investment right now. going into afghanistan. i think this is a historic turning point for not just the region because it's not just china that have outlined that spectrum initiative and it's 4 in hundreds of billions of dollars. it's. we have a stretch of projects and then 2 other trades in transit and technology developing projects. but it's also india that has its own vision regional connectivity and regional integration. russia has outlined its own vision 30 of outside its own vision on august on the central asian neighbors. they have all prioritize economic development, regional economic integration, and increased trade in transit trade. so this is a moment when all the countries around the sun have come to the

same page when it comes to the future of the region, which is one of the common development you didn't mention. i presume saudi arabia's saudi arabia as well. but the radio, in terms of the hearts of a region is a little on the on the margin that you like. it's a little farther afield. the countries that i outline are either next door neighbors or major regional powers that have outland, specific regional development plans with, with, with direct connections of honest and so the best initiative, for example, the chinese about line sees of understand as a link t link between the participant corridor, which as you know is, is a multi $1000000000.00 project that's taking place right now. and the china central asia, west asia, on the quarter, that goes from china to central asia, iran all the way to turkey. and linking these to would only be possible. so that's

where the punishment location becomes vital for regional connectivity, not just in terms of physical infrastructure, but also in terms of the goods, people, energy, data and all that. and that's some, that's a vision that will benefit everyone. and for that you have to have a peaceful, stable. and so there is a, there is a, there's a trillion dollar opportunity for the region to work towards peace and security. and if i'm the son, which is very much afraid of going in the coming few months, ambassador, thank you. thank you so much. after the break. ahead of what would have been the 53rd birthday of iconic theorist, an activist smoke fisher. we examine the futures that never were not his friend and colleague, also david stubbs. what the legendary k punk founder would have made of corona virus capitalism and marxist football. alyssa more coming up about 2 of going

undergrad. the. the news join me every thursday on the alex, silent show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me the welcome back tomorrow. what would it be in the 53rd birthday of mark fisher? the legendary fear, his daughter, political activists, an engineer pioneer blogging under the monica k punk seen by many as one of the greatest political thinkers or the 21st century. the influence of his writings on your liberalism, meritocracy, and class cannot be overstated. he was also a football fan co founding the football blog minus the shooting. so that's been 24 hours ahead of the or 2020 final enjoy now, but his friend and colleague, david stubbs. david, thanks so much for coming on. i'll get to football in the, in

a bit and my, and my in the shooting for those that don't know who mark fisher is. tell us why is considered by some to be one of the greatest english language thinkers off the 21st century. actually any house know where to begin, really because because it's such a sort of boss. did he just kind of boss terrain in this monumental volume cape uk, eco's. everything from cinema to renew liberties. and he makes these kind of connections, you know, between popular culture and politics that i mean, lot of people do that. they did it in such a kind of huge least go imagine that way when it comes up more months with in this is inspirational despite there's a sense of like, you know, talks about melancholia and morning spare. and i think that, you know, you kind of mrs. that sort of the 21st century the same time he's desperate to kind

of a sort of a positivity, a sense of futures in the sense of what is actually possible in a century in which that is kind of being forgotten. so yeah, absolutely. it's just the sheer range sheet, energy, erudition, but i think that entitled to those kind of it's, i mean, just one dimension of his work. obviously, mental health let alone during a pandemic is become a mainstream concern. new liberal media. just remind is why he would call mental health privatized stress when it was used, the way that phrases used in the media. well, yeah, i mean, i think from his point of view, he did obviously suffer mental health difficulties. but he didn't regard them as most people do this, just something that is sort of randomly visited and people he regarded it as you can do to this stress becomes the size that we're living in. and you know,

he will pull the id reply all the keys, he's will companies kind of make boss money, also ask depressions and things like that. the whole industry that and the idea that a system that makes you sick is then to tell you to you think that was one of the kind of anger and he got open disdain for the mainstream media. so gold and academia as well. well yes, because i suppose that's something that started in the ninety's and initially did kind of he was slightly young left us in the sense in the ninety's. he belong to the base, which we subscribe to. what i think send acceleration isn't, you know, they didn't, you know, he's, he's sort of thought was about to draw and capitalism isn't going to dom contradictions, nothing ever dies and contradictions. so thank you. second part from left this academic thinking in the 900, not in the 900 ninety's,

he regarded it all got to driving, mark was anything but dry and it gave us so wouldn't speak. you know, there's a kind of a very, very sort of in passion, way in which we have to hold the audience. always hand. when you saw it was not easy start just kind of simplifies with with students. some young people are going through this day and age and the privileges that they've been denied that the previous generation had. and i think that's what you tell him to run into the capitalist realism. he's an old tentative because i think he felt kind of this is what happened really generation sort of post blair or whatever, certain kind of pragmatism set in among the, imposed by the old on to the young. it's kind of say, you know, reach coming from the people, how do these privileges, expectations of things that you can't obviously anymore lawyer expectations just labor and duties hold, you despise all of that. he wanted to kind of re ignite

a sense of the possible way. further nice hope is too weak to say more and what was it like to know him when his vast references was one? what has to say there's a nod to roland boards and the french philosophers of the seventy's and eighty's. what was it like to know someone so well read work with him. i was strange him and he wasn't this kind of intimidating character. i mean, well i get me because of the 1st mention the tell you right, melody maker and even on the reader, melody maker. so he kind of approached me. it was kind of some voice on the way radio way. it was great. and his sense of like to have with some know that i'm just margin the old and so supposed to be i didn't feel he was just kind of intimidating presence and he wasn't in any case go up together and we chat about all kinds of things. but not necessarily,

it's the sort of level of intensity that the impulse in his text. i mean, you know, and so i think, you know, he was definitely a coach was primary as a friendly. but i mean, unlike continental philosophy, he seems he just sounds when you read and much angrier as he relates politics to film and to music of him for those that don't know, melody make up very famous and went bust competitor the enemy. he sounds very so much anger in his writing with reference to popular culture and politics. yeah, i mean, i mean, he's just one of the energies though i think there's also a sort of sense of optimism as well that, you know, they spend that there's all kinds of things kind of rolling at the same time. he's writing, you know, it's just hugely usually energetic. i mean, my sense is up from depression. the actually suffered ridiculous, instrumental black self worth is that it's completely futile when we need

everybody's r. i will not be silenced by always regard the energy the did she speak as independent crating in his writing, this sort of towering edifices which were tempted based down the condition of his depression. and i think that's going to send to the meeting. that's one of the things accounting for his energy. how prolific he was just how much ground he covers. and what do you think? what would they think of artists and writers and painters who still to this day will appear on a tv interview and go on? not political, i mean it as, as he killed the ability of celebrities to say that i think, you know, i think he was, everything is political. you know, the idea that there will be even things that operate outside of the political, you know, the politics of their life down here. i mean, he thought, actually in, so i just change roy sometime to go to mall shopping. all i didn't see as

a potential paradigm as to how calling is in the future. come and isn't working. he was saying that electrical in everything. obviously, he wrote about labors destruction of working class aspiration his was, i have to ask you, what do you think he would make of this new labor leader relatively new care stormer, and some of his cabinet shadow cabinet members who seem director that capital is realism referred to in that there is no alternative out that this is what it is we can cut around the edges a bit, but there's no alternative to capitalism here. sadly, i think that some kissed on that is kind of resuming where labor's left off in 2015 and going by the same playbook. and, you know, making the same kind of errors, refusing really to chasing an elderly generation generation expense of the young and really getting young people and you still get possibility or

confidentiality. something's really believing now onto the football tomorrow. why you have to remind us why joel. well, that famous snitch, of course, whose names of people to the british intelligence services of people, he didn't like of condemning them as communists. why didn't he like wells description of football as more minus the shooting? yeah, well again, i think the probably those sentiments replace to stay on the call, all berries, intellectuals for football and something he did not share at all. football was another great popular passions. he was actually at hillsborough hills, became nothing or support. and he was a nazi and he was at the notting and ours and when obviously the whole trifle central events unfolded it. the other end, which is linked to policing of the minus strike, which is mentioned in reporting about the hills, were inquiring mostly just shows how everything is going little with someone you

may have noticed the way the current to them and you are a 2020 is being portrayed in wow, hurricanes, amazing green issues. i mean, these are all working class men, young men, why do you think none of them stop to think of why there are no working class men, or why the disproportionately hardly any working class brain surgeons or a symphony? composes or architect, why does no one fits up to think that they somehow get into football, but they, they don't bother with those other professions. well, yeah, i mean, you know, that's one concerning that question. really. it's that goes back to, i guess, university and student grounds. to support that, i mean i went to box it, but if it 950, well you know, i went to be nice and you won't walk. so the $951.00. that would not be the challenge. going to offset coming from my background and 30 is all or 3040 is all

i equally wouldn't stand to challenge. you know it's, i mean, yes, absolutely. you know those, those questions to be should be res. i mean it, in terms of like, i guess that the question of class becomes obscure because obviously what was weak stream li, wealthy nowadays is one possibility. but no, i mean not that is absolutely the kind of question. the reason i think that just one of the things that we believe is kind of raising questions, especially in connection with popular cultural, everyday culture, likable and pop whichever. and connection to politics in a way that's just simply, you know, by, you know, most commonplace. would you, would he and you, amused by this take for this big conversation amongst circle mainstream media talking about garrett, south gate, marxism in because of taking me in the civil rights struggle. i mean the, what's your take on that?

one of the marxism is rather strange, i'm sure it's just what you can really make. the claim isn't essential, decency about this team. and you can even say, well, if they represent a certain kind of place, another represent a certain kind of patriotism that you can make an argument. all pages and pages doesn't have to be about kind of flag waving folks of the queen in the background. those singing down bus 2 songs or 2, following the ray and all of that kind of dress. nonsense. patriotism might just simply me as people at mark's rash, written rhymes, certainly have demonstrated through the through that thieves. it could just mean feeling a duty of care to your community, to your country. you make sure that you know that everybody's okay. so, and i think that's something that goes beyond the believe also that one of the kind of like this to the, to even the fact that like, it depends on immigration, you know, that you know, the aggressive and hung grayson policies the suit to tell them about 2 or 3 players

in this county. and just finally, i got to ask you, since you're, you've written about electronic music. i mean, do you think that the government will weaponized corona virus? young people further in terms of night clubs and the music industry and popular culture in favor of i suppose opera or art that benefits the status quo. well we, i mean it's been coming hard and hard. i think needs to be kind of virus for young people to find the kind of spaces to enjoy, you know, res, clubbing or whatever. i mean, all of that kind of concluded by rising property prices. and yeah, i mean, even if it's not active in conscious policy, it's something that's definitely happening. david subs, thank you. thank you. that's it for the show. will be back on monday to talk vaccine apart sammons out 2 times and after 2 k is vaccination takes center stage, and you gave him the confirmation of prime minister bar johnson's freedom day 5.

until then, keep in touch with social media and let us know who you think when you're 2020 ah. special episode, summer solutions. today we're talking with john robina of dollars collapse dot com day and the right 2021 has been the year of the i word inflation. even the central bank is mentioning inflation. is it transitory? however, as the central bank is arguing or are we going to see something worse coming forward in the next year or 2.