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mentioned that we can complete illusion initially and normally financial young hoody an illusion. you lose good news. you could shoot that to the lower the ah ah ah hello and welcome across the dock. were all things considered on peter as well as the american foreign policy blob struggles to come determine with washington, the beach in afghanistan. others are thinking about the future. how will this

country interact with the world and the region also an update on julian sarge? this travesty in crime against humanity continues the discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess. patrick came in and in plymouth. he's to enter turned bounder of 21st century wire dot com and, and also we have going diesel. and he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as the author of the new book, re power politics in the 4th industrial revolution, or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. i always appreciate it. 3. ok, let's go to housekeepers. glenn. you know, american media is obsessed about the withdrawal of afghanistan. how it got to this point who's to blame. but very few people actually thinking about the future except for maybe the drifters that want to somehow profit from the post more environment

having an aircraft outside the country prepared to leap in a net. if necessarily, i mean this is, these are the people that don't want this the end. however, a lot of things are happening and it's been and they're not getting a lot of coverage. just recently the taliban visited russia. the russians obviously are very concerned. what's going to happen next because the we have to spend and respect has been ask and it stands borders. and of course, the metaphor of saigon is every on a lot of people's minds. i don't know if it's over rock, but people have to be prepared here because we have troops going across their border leaving the country. that is obviously a security risk. so how is this going to be played out? because during the entire course of the history of cross thought, we've talked about how long it was been going on here and i've always said, and i hope i'm wrong, the region has to take care of itself. and i think that's an opportunity. go ahead

and know us withdrawals very quickly. there's a vacuum left behind and it is obviously challenges for the neighbors because they're not going anywhere. and obviously, as you mentioned, right, this audience is quite this, this, this could very easily be stabilized ventilation in the military and i'm more in the building. i think it will not gotten government to read, explain into projects, donna tolbert. and again, the possibility of having this renewal of the civil war, the 90 s, could be quite problematic something and obviously most goes quite concerned about it. but again, there's also some opportunities, i would say because the strategy and it's all the central asia was told objects tend to be the central nation region from countries like russia and china. so this was what they can make projects that everything was geared to in this direction. now, and this was consistent with the u. s. u k. history of your asia,

which has been brought to divide by the major powers. so the news coming out now from china and russian, but even iran to smaller extent is the failure of the us natal convention in while it's created challenges, it also opens up for military your ation solutions. something that russia would support as well. and this would include most of the neighbors come from russia, china, iran, central asia, leaving india and the world integration of this. great, they're your ration region, which is a key project for the chinese and russians come to be complete without us. and it's coming down through economic coming to the and we are here in a chinese is interested in to push this trillion dollar bump enrolled initiative on something investments talking about and obviously would welcome. and there's also other years for corporation. i would also just love the shanghai corporation

organization. we're just now forming us the main organization to organize the race which has all the main status. so russia, china, india, the central ations and ideally, would also bring in iran later on as full members, not just observer. and this can be of this institutional great mission. so again, there the risks, but there's also for tunic is to finally find the regional solution, which is them based on connecting this countries instead of yes, flipping them. you know, it's very interesting because if you, if you look at and take seriously some of the issues that the taliban talked about over the years, they don't have ambitions outside of the boarders about them. however, there's a very important caviar here in the us. do a back door continues to support the corrupt regime and war. they could change the, the facts on the ground because you're going to be that have government, you're using the other side of the border as a paid been in. so, you know,

have the conflict spill because of the afghan taliban are going to continue their path to power as it were. and you have these troops in going over the border. they may go and go after them, which of course is the worst nightmare for the entire region. it seems to me, it's no barrier. contingent in us is going to leave and i keep asking experts. what does that mean and what does the word finally, leave me go ahead. yeah, there's a good question. what is leave mean? just look over to the situation in iraq. and you can see that even a us pull out could mean nato coming in or multinational force. and that's just moving the chess pieces around. because sensibly nato's controlled by the united states in the, in the u. k. effectively, in terms of the bulk of its forces and its strategic direction. so for,

i guess it's a big, it's a big problem. you know, is not an easy solution to it a, no, there's never been an easy solution for western powers or, or even your asian powers and balancing the, the situation of gast and for centuries. so we're right back to alexander the great, so we're running into the same similar situations in terms of geography, but you know, the u. s. grand strategy. generally, if you look at the arc of the strategy over the last couple of administrations, it's to slowly pull out their hard assets out of places in the middle east, and then rely on what they call local enforcers in order to prosecute western us or largely corporate policy direction and so who is that local enforcer for afghanistan is certainly can't be the afghan government in cobol or the afghan army because they will fold like deck chairs on the titanic. you know,

so it's pakistan would be that local, unfortunate, but that hasn't worked because they pump billions of dollars into, to fight counter you know, for counterterrorism funding in pakistan arguably is all probably the people believe the i s i is partly responsible for a lot of the terrorist activity and extremism and gun running and all sorts sorts of things. so there's a huge amount of problems. i don't think there's an easy solution, but what happens in this situation where there's no easy solution as the opportunists will seize on business opportunities, afghans been a great money spinner for the military industrial complex, the global corporate transnational, corporate haven't been able to get us a stable football. so in the meantime, just make money off of the military situation. the price of heroin globally has plummeted. so you know, that does benefit certain people in, in the pharmaceutical industry, as well as on the black market. and just generally the malays of cities around the

world. so is this, the, this was going to be long term low intensity conflict in and out again. another $911.00 type narrative could be plastered on afghanistan and then they would come in again, full throttle in 10 years. i mean, so i don't think the prospects are great looking at it right now in terms of the long historical picture, particularly since 2001 they needed. and i keep using like a word here. it needs a grips. i mean, this is really why a lot of pockets for people are all very long time and, and saying that it's something that's been worried. i mean, we have mark millen that she had to be joining the staff. i mean, you basically crying and running, president biden, you know, what about children and women, you know, and all that. i mean, here's, here's a guy who's supposed to be in charge of the national security sate worried about the nation building. and so we're, we're worried about his buddies making

a whole lot of money like they have for decade game. glenn, one of the things that is very interesting is that go back to your 1st stanza here . this is the real opportunity for russia and china. and then, and then later and such as pakistan is pointed out here. but i mean if, if there is a, if there is a solid consensus of these large powers outside about a span. i think that gives reason the hope here because they all see the back of the matter is the us in respective. but we have that get if that doesn't really affect, you know, i would say what happens when i get to spend affects the region greatly. and these be, these are real stakeholders here. i mean, what could be a 1st step here? because the russians have been very open as being a fair broker they have, but they have invited and talk to the taliban, even though the taliban in russia is being a terrorist organization. when they're going the extra mile here. what,

how is this going to affect the internal of the of come, who, because the russia can't be a guarantor of the government and all because it doesn't have the, the, the strength and the support in the country. go ahead now. well, obviously the vacuum will be filled by some states. i mentioned that i cannot make which where china is the main actor about the security field. obviously, ross, it's a key security provider. but what i was referred to then was the instability among those based on them then, especially tajikistan. and they will need to rely on the c s d, which is regional, the russian lead military alliance. so, and this will create a greater demand for when you secured the institutions to feel the vacuum. but that's very different from suggesting that to absorb assessment would be something because there is simply no, no chance at all at most, whatever, except putting in and work. what's on the grounds and, and either should, i think the lesson over the past 20 years has been that the piece was to fall in

place of control. now we'll have to solve this. obviously more school. good, prefer power sharing government in come all rather than simply tell them i'm taking over. however, if it takes over russia, it's not going to stand in this way and dictates what a new government should look like. simply they're gonna have to make it in place for the best possible governments come into play. and once the government is in place, use the magic tools to help, but also the economic offers of corporation. and simply begin to integrate this, this country into the ration region. so there's some problems about the issue of assertion, undermine the huge challenges and risk, especially if this are still logged into a huge, massive civil war. and now it's very like us to give across the borders given the last minute to you, patrick, here as the, as the foreign policy blog watches this unfold. have they learned any lessons from

the last 20 years? at 40 seconds? i don't, i think it's worse. the for the you go, the younger these people are getting, you know, people like jake sullivan running. the white house is foreign policy portfolio and he's what 40 years old. what is, what is he know the main problem in afghan stance. always going to be, we're trying to impose a western style democracy on was effectively an area that's been governed by tribal forms of government and tribal politics. and until they can bridge that gap and do that in a, in a good way for both sides. then i think you're going to have this constant friction . yeah, i think that i think the u. s. and western power should stop helping. and then it might turn out, bender, will they are gentlemen going to jump in here? we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with ah, ah,

join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport, business and show business. i'll see you then in the summer and solutions where we focus on the solutions. not so much. the problem, stacy, right. we are joined by jeff booth author of the price of tomorrow. the the, the news the welcome back across the top were all things considered. peter la bell, this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. i

okay, let's change gears gentlemen. let's talk about the fate. the tragic fate of jolina silence over the last week or so. we've seen the b o j's case against filling a size collapse complete, where he collapsed. i mean, it is this, it is floating in mid air gentlemen. okay, though it, it hasn't changed the position of the game, the u. s. government to try again to expedite jolena their case against them was he hacked, he was a hacker this time, this was what made different from the, in the previous administration. this is the, there was an informant in iceland, a gentleman that had known criminal history was committing crimes. while he was working with the it is unclear if he was compensated mail. i'm on a terribly but there's obviously he was the key to they. the prosecution

persecution of julian assigned. and so, and then on top of it, the element of desperation is seeping in the terms and conditions of his detainment in the united states where he might serve his term. if convicted patsy. this smells of desperation, the case the case has collapsed. ok. and now they're trying to look for a way to save face instead of just dropping this ridiculous of air in the 1st place . go ahead. no, you're right. it's all about. it's all about saving face. i don't think that they can save face in the long run. this is just the machine doing what the machine does . you know they're amazing that the federal government would, would pay a convicted felon to fabricate evidence for a federal case. and then, you know, this should cause it to collapse. i mean, the, but it's not because they're there on a mission. and the mission is it's about shutting down parts of the internet globally. this is already being done by a silicon valley,

but there's some loose ends to tie up independent portals. free press, stopping any real leaks from happening. that's really what we helix represents. so there's so far down the road with julia signed with this. the sham of a process. it's always been the case of the missing case. ok. and now it's kind of obvious, but we're, we're so far down the road and now they're making promises that we're going to move it to australia. he'll be moved to australia and things like this. and there's all sorts of other caveats that are put in. and it's quite clear that this is all an abrogation of due process because you really talk about these things. so speaking like he had already been convicted basically. so there isn't that that should give you the signal. that's the dog whistle from washington that he will, he will be extradited, he will be convicted. and then what they do after that in terms of shuffling them around, is anyone's guess. so i don't believe any guarantees made by the d o j because they

can't even keep an international treaty like, you know, the jcp or have that they work 2 years on the don't think that the keep any promises before the fact of what they're going to do to, julia signed, so there's, there's never been a case and, but unfortunately, i've sat through that trial in london for a week and it's just unbelievable how corrupt the system is geared against him. they have him locked down. they'd like to drag this out forever. and i'm sad to say they'd be happy if he didn't make it out of prison. that would just make things a lot easier for them to him. i mean, that's the strategy obviously, you know, going also, you know, the d o j has eggs on the face because it is actually recognize the, the ruling of this very peculiar judge in the u. k. dealing with this case here is that abilene asylum, work to be expedited. his faith in the,

the american legal system in the prison system would be in question. and i think that it's obvious to anyone. but the, you know, to, to patrick's point here is that this is just to drag it out. i mean, this could, i mean, even if he were expedited, i mean the, the case itself could take a decade. it could take that long and considering the way the d o j at least previously is previewed the case, is that even during the sanchez lawyers wouldn't be able to see the evidence against him, a jury is up in the air. a judge would determine what that is is valid. i mean, this is just a, i mean, calling it a tangle record is insulting. can rooms. i mean, what kind of process is it? i mean, we are doing this on should have no, they mean they certainly have no bait in the british legal system. jumping bail. all my goodness and being in superman like that. so, i mean, it is an atrocity all the way around and then you know,

what the biggest route atrocity is, is that we're one of the only programs talking about this. there's nothing in the mainstream in the us about this. so i mean, this is, this is, this is a huge conspiracy of silence when the crime being committed in broad daylight. all this was recognized old rhythm early nineties, the paradox of having essentially a liberal empire that it will start to tear away at the domestic system. and again, this before comes an interesting or unique form of author and isms as correct a point that demonstrates how the rules law is being corrupted. so in a society based on the rule of law, the focus is on the integrity of the process and not the outcome even though the outcome of august would have been decided. but what we see here is that the decision is a little been made to destroy us on which lake males have demonstrated that the legal process is affecting the weapon. that if they don't even need really conflicts and all that needed to drive on the court proceedings for eternity and, and therefore just keeping the prison. and again,

it's important to us to walk back because it's eating away the principles or credibility of their legal system. keep in mind that this is the journalist, they arrested the you and demanded they should be released. the court, you court said denied extradition in january, and that's the point out correctly. he witness recent, there was admitted to him, blood advocated accusation against the function. yet now the going to let's give us government permission to appeal to this is simply because to making all the assurances which, well, let's build, it's not going over there. not really worth that much and you know, even if you will be transferred after a while to say, doesn't get jeffrey in treatment in jail or he will even be allowed to go to australia even if, if they will take over the years and years. and they're correct, the media does not seem to care about this. if this was one of america, the other, if there is gentlemen, there will be tanks and the media would not stop right about it. but some of the

non issues and we're, where's the media? this is quite extraordinary. no interest at all. really. this is quite amazing. yeah, i mean when i had you on recently we, when you were trying to explain to me with your great intellect, with my mind or intellect, trying to explain to me what rules based order is. how does the jewish massage case fit in with the rules based order that we have the secretary of state blink, and you did his, you know, rules based order tour and then back he was in the u. k. what is the journalist day when, when julian advantage is in prison? so what are the rules based order? when it comes to the fate of julian so much in the faith of journalism which is basically faded away, go ahead. i mean, what i'm getting at it was rank apostasy. continue go ahead. one. no, i agree. and again, this is where international law and the rules based on are obviously diverse

because the rules based order gifts for the special privileges based on the so called the liberal complication. so it becomes a huge paradox at the end. but again, this thing with the reason why the media doesn't care because they did, they did like a previous lives when he revealed the crimes. then he was a special on the left. he was a bit of a hero. our in the trump era, they then began to lend themselves very much against, but honestly they were very much pro journalism and freedom journalism every time from the tweet about. so c n n, they were very much concerned about that type of journalism. but this actually actual journalists to go to jail, that doesn't seem to be much interest them. or the reason is revealed a lot of the war crimes committed on their obama and also he embarrassed clinton in 2016. they blamed funds to great extent for clinton losing and trump winning. and in addition, in the air rush gates, when the through the russian agent laid him,

all the rules could be thrown out the window because your age at the russia and it's not a journalist. there wilson law don't apply, and it's a very dangerous place to be. so need to find a way of walking this back in the media should really go back there. a mega. yeah, well, empire never said, sorry. patrick, let's remind our viewers what the alleged crime, the julian, so much committed. he revealed the war crimes of great powers, particularly of the united states. that's why he's sitting in prison now. and that's why they want him, essentially to die in prison because he told the truth about war crimes committed by western powers better. yeah. in his, his, queen's counselors during the crown court hearings before the pandemic, they dismantled the, the u. s. case just day by day just tore it to pieces. fitzgerald and somers and

they did it annually. and the argument from the u. s. side from the, the extradition side in the us. how to tired guns there, there argue was, well, that argument doesn't have standing because this is purely about extradition and not about whether the charges have any merit or anything like that. so that was just kind of a pre, a preview of what you, you're going to see in a u. s. us national security court. but the main thing, the main part about all of this is in a democratic system. it does matter what happens outside the court. room in terms of the public conversation and the press would normally lead that the press would elevate the issue. people would rally around that. again, due process, rule of law. all of that, it's been wiped away. that says little more about the state of democracy. in the democratic world, it's leading the rules based international order and in the rules based

international order. he has the gold makes the rules or he has the most money makes the rules. but it's funny that when anthony blink and tried to pull the rules based card with china at that summit, alaska, china reminded anthony blinking, who has the gold, apparently, because they didn't show any respect to the u. s. is shenanigans summit. but so it is very worrying because this is, that is a sunset moment for, for democracy and the assigned case, it's just is a touchstone of, of that process here. what this is all about is they may never want another julian ever to happen again. 2020 seconds go ahead. yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. and he is achieving incredible status amongst activists and people who really believe in the free press and he's become a real icon is the question is, can more people rally around this issue?

what, what will that, what, what, what it would take for that to happen? that's the big question is looming. and if it doesn't happen, what does that mean for democracy and constitutional forms of government going forward? lot it's, they get, they get enough. lo and, and i want to thank our viewers watching the next time, remember the ah, the me, the whatever the

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