the time action returns here we're going underground on the day of u. k prime minister, marz johnson. so gold freedom day. corona virus announcement. as we dig up the stories, the elite don't want you to find coming up in the show. will you be returning to a policy of heard immunity has been pharma, monopolies count the billions they've made from vaccinating the world's richest countries, while the poorest become a playground. for covariance, we are skulks family policy, lead to the people's vaccine alliance. and 10 years after the creation of the world, the newest countries out to done, we talked with new ambassadors in the core st. james, about whether it's future will be it's washington consensus, past or as an african oil, super about all of them all coming up in today's going underground refers to neighbors. johnson leading a country with one of the worst corona virus. death tools in the world, arguably tells britain if he is imminently to let corona virus run through the population as part of a policy of her immunity. no surprise then that in the liberal policy of competition versus cooperation governs you games when it comes to the global south

and vaccination. joining me now from the other one is the policy leads to the people's vaccine. the lines knock, sam's health policy advisor and marriott. and i thank so much for coming on. what is the people's vaccine alliance? so we see johnson every day tell the nation here that we have one of the best vaccine rollers in the world. the people that seen the global movement, a global campaign of organizations, individuals with chapters all over the world and supported by many current president prime ministers as well as former needed a nobel laureate. i'm basically what the people back in is the last scene that's available to everybody on the planet, free of charge, and the accent is according to need and not ability to pay. and what we have is the absolute opposite of that right now. we have seen an extreme back being inequality that not only lives at risk in many of the poorest countries in the world,

but is actually continuing to be a threat for all of us. because we know that unless we get back to everyone, unless everyone is protected, then none of us to say, well, i know china is administered at least a 1000000000 vaccines. i mean what you just said that that's exactly why the g 7 hosted by boris johnson and coldwell said we're gonna, we're, we're going to give out free vaccines to the book delay so you should be happy with that. so i have to say that, you know, if we look at the level of need to get them from the control the, the trip color charity that was offered at the g 7 is nothing short of a monumental failure. in our opinion. you know, we need another 1000000000 doses. i'm the g 7 off adult actually less than a 1000000000 in donations with no urgency in terms of when the nations are going to be made. and the reality is that donations. speaking about lucy needed now because

we are seeing the brakes rising from the port of the country, but they're not going to fix this crisis to be back. we actually need the g 7 countries to back the listing of the patients on these things. so that the science and know how can be shed throughout, well, we can get more qualified manufacturers making them run production. that's the only way that we're gonna get, i'm not going to make everybody and this i'll get to intellectual property. and in a 2nd, surely these g 70 doesn't know what you are talking about in this phrase. it's so often used about when safe, et cetera. at china, it exploded. 48 percent of the vaccines. it produced britain in the united states. i don't know whether you know, how many they've, i mean it's reportedly as 0. why would they not do what you are saying given that it will harm their own economies? well, i think what we're saying is we actually being

a divided g u. s. president how that read to the proposal that we lift the patient on the batting the rest of the g 7. right, sitting on the fence or in the case as far as johnson and i'm awfully opposed to this proposal i'm. we can only put that down to narrow back the nationalism and government profit interest, the big pharmacy corporations ahead of global interest in terms of guessing, i guess in this time that may come to control and we really need to see the government, the german government stock blocking these proposals that would ramp up supplies on the right side of history. now, if we've done this a year ago, we would be in a different position. now we would have so many more doses being made, developing countries, we have a short supply. * for themselves, yes, 12 months after all those commitments that the best thing would be a global public good. and they're still standing in the way back. the not in

developing countries. i mean, i've seen case street in washington dc and the massive big farm lobbying firms. i mean, are you saying that the big for home and lobbying in london in brussels is, is worse than that in the united states, so that joe biden was able to, as you say, unlike britain in the you offer some kind of intellectual property waiver. i think i think the fall, my lobby is we all and i was incredibly strong in the us on behalf i explained why the u. s. president is not doing and not to turn those words into action at the well trained openness ation. but yes, the bama lobby is incredibly strong in europe. europe has the you have a very check history of putting intellectual property roles in the way of access in developing countries. i've have k, so we need to switch thought that we must learn from history. 20 years ago. we had

a huge crisis down to have a we had a 10000000 people die on necessarily while they were treatment available. that could have saved them yet, the pharmacy to monopolies refused to lower. their prices refused to allow the generic manufacturers to make those treatments. once that decision was changed, we have seen millions of life saved. we need to do the same again. now, ironically, these countries not doing what you want them to really affect to be actually felt by global capitalism. is that why even the i m f w t o and will bank seem to be supporting what you're saying? yeah, i mean, i think i can make it easy to, to fail to tackle backing inequality. the, the i m f is that the cost to the global economy side will be in the region of mine, trillion dollars. we're already seeing

a whole because of the economy to laugh it's not in the interest of a to protect the i'm watering profit, the just a handful of on the policy for corporations who are very successfully creating new 1000000000 as we speak. while the rest of the economy and not means job losses, that means poverty rising and we already covered the rising for the 1st time into decades in developing countries, the economic consequences, the social consequences of a failure to absolutely got struck. we need to see some urgency. we haven't seen it yet. we need, i'm going on bars. don't seem to get on the right side and support the missing of the patients on these laughing. i mean, we've heard on this program has some people are using kovacs of being an entire failure altogether, but i mean, johnson has pledged 30000000 doses through kovacs any point in that initiative

even yes, said k boxed is an important mechanism in many developing countries. is the only source of supply. unfortunately, that supply has just been the trickle today and say, the foundation problem there is that came back to failed to challenge the pharmaceutical monopolies. they have basically just raise money of different pharmacies, corporations, what they want, and come back to the back of the key for those back things, supplies, while corporations prioritize back contracts with rich nation where they can make the most profit that are always going to do that. and that's why we need to, we need to, to a new model of more distributed manufacturing around the world. you know, the, well, the currently dependent on, just for the corporations who are calling all the shots, they get to decide how many get made, what price is charged and who get it to buy them. and that will always mean that

the mechanisms like that for developing countries and developing countries themselves will always be at the back of the key. you see some of saying that government scientists, i mean to today there's this announcement about what people are using. the johnson administration of pursuing a heard immunity strategy. do you think government scientists, many of them i do, the big pharmaceutical companies may be saying quietly to ministers and politicians look to many vaccines. you're just going to create variance, let heard immunity be the strategy rather than more vaccinations. i'm not, i don't know whether i can comment on what it's the same to governments. unfortunately, many of those conversations are behind by door. well, i can't say is that people back in alliance, a leading that could be me on that. it's from around the well, just a few months ago back in march. and 2 of them said,

unless we tackle this been inequality, we all going to see that being resistant, rare variance within 6 to 12 months. is that right? that was the very frightening prospect that we will feedback the resistance variance on our sure. enrich kind of cheese that have, you know, successfully rolled out the back seeing where we is feeling protested. we could see those very in the right by autumn when i'm the service station that will bring. it just doesn't bear thinking about okay, trying to be positive for 2nd. do you not think that the global south will learn from this and begin to understand the importance of local infrastructure, pharmaceutical manufacturing? maybe they'll get leaked blueprints to these patient did vaccines and start working for themselves, rather than relying on handouts from, well, it wouldn't be in the via the i m f from the g 7 countries. so, you know,

i think we need to be clear that there is already a very strong back been manufacturing based in many developing countries in india. if you look at in the navy, those governments are now saying already we can make these, you know, we have proven science that was largely publicly funded, and let's not forget the vaccines were funded by the taxpayers now into fileshare. now with qualified manufacturers, we could see production ramped up in developing countries right now. within a matter of lungs, those manufacturers are coming. who would think we can make them as long as you client base already exist without. without that we need more investment in manufacturing. in developing countries across africa, the african union has a target of making 60 percent of its own vaccines within the next few decades. now,

bishop target is the right one, but those countries will need support and we need and they need the science now. manufacturing can be wrapped up when manufacturing people already and to repair. there's no regulator here that can intervene. there's no higher authority the united nations to intervene to force the european union and the british government to give away the recipe to the vaccine against corona buyers. there isn't a higher level, i mean, every, every proposal on the table at the well trade organization that would see these intellectual property listed. but to agree that is dependent on the government coming together and agreeing that now over a 100 countries already supporting this proposal, including president by the including president my problem, including the russian government, including the chinese government government. just a handful less like the u. k. and germany who was standing in the way,

if they shifted, we could get a consensus and we could get things moving as quickly as possible. they need to get, they need to start blocking this proposal. and i thank you. thank you very much. after the break, 10 years after the george clooney in washington sponsored creation of south to done as a light of a new dawn. what next for the country blighted by civil war, corruption of famine and new liberalism? all the more can we help in part 2 of going underground? ah, join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i was speaking to guests in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's

crazy. even plantation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. a very critical time, time to sit down and talk she won't hold simply real thing a little slow, letting them go by susan. well, the longer i was going to go see me when the other week when you have a meeting in the room initial authentic steamy guy failed on the one, let me know which finance was gonna fail and look at. 2 me and started the nicholas and it's going to you soon, the she was just looking here. when you mentioned the kim

illusion actually thinking down on the, on the financial young movie illusion that you lose could, you could shoot that to the lower the with the welcome back. in part one, we spoke about vaccine apart is richard nations or vaccines to the detriment of poor ones. but is this merely the way nato nation? imperialism works is 10 years, is the creation of oil rich, south sudan, now auctioning oil contracts on the global market ribbon buy food insecurity and killing the country's future, though, be brighter than anyone can imagine. joining me now is south saddam's new investor to london. agnes oswald, thank you so much better for coming on. people might have heard this out. you down to the george clooney you campaign for the creation of it. how has the 1st 10 years of its existence been years overall has been

going well defined? the challenge is also done has made a lot of progress. as you are aware, we build the nation out of scratch, given to a station and do over 50 years. so struggled, i mean, you have worth 3 enough 1000000000 barrels a day being produced at the moment. 90 percent of the oil hasn't been extracted yet . i mean, you say it's been going well, why does it have food insecurity and why? i don't know, take covert, for instance, i was reading, you only had maybe 4 ventilators for a population of 12000000 people. 24 in terms of cabin right now, we have them all on to let us and thanks to the well wishes on the part nose, on wall health organization. it's also done supporting view notate very well, we also have the united kingdom,

usertesting and dario health and education. so the number of different tomatoes has the increase rate of coverage. 19, you also don't need might not be the tv or in comparison to other nation, but the impact is rio. yeah. the deaths and no and near as bad as hearing britain bigger per capita. obviously you mention british aid. what did you make of this? so your counterparts in effects in juba, apparently telling me telling n g o is not to contact me the or especially sky news, about any discussion of the foreign aid cuts from london. ah, i have no comment on that. you k as and you know, they have their division because the aide comes from them. however, creating an impact on nations such as the republicans also done, which is

a developing state in comparison to develop nations. so what are things also learning for people not being drawn to the money aspect is doug and we are faced with natural disasters such as flog low cost. so for the last 3 years there have been have you flooding throughout the country. so 7 out of 10 states and water and as we speak, the heavy rainy sporting a duty public. and at the same time, these affects their livelihood. in terms of food security, income, how small funding skin. because people who do form for some sufficiency, not necessarily for export, for instance, we do, which we had to look to develop. yeah, i mean, we haven't natural disasters in other countries though, that, you know,

obviously affect different places, but then they prepare for themselves. it wasn't able to prepare for the living. we're not able to prepare for the flooding given to what i have noted that it is a new nation build out of scratch. so, and this is the way it comes to health and the capacity building live in how to mitigate the flood. because he's not just, you know, it's a flood. most of the country seating on the water. i mean, eritrea has a, is a new country. it has no food insecurity at all and doing health care. you don't think that part of the problem and sad sudan is this reliance on washington consensus partners like london and the european union. more than more than the tilting to beijing, which i know is a massive invest in

a growing investor and such as i noted, so also dining manage out of a long struggle. so building institutions takes time and currently government through our vision. we actually have vision 2040. well we have to look into how to develop agriculture using their money from the oil. basically process of applying the economy, which would lead to the reduction of poverty south. so down being some sufficient instead of relying on 8, but i noted earlier, delani is vast via time. so small funding skill makes a difference, such as backyard funding. you know, in social down you can throw anything on the ground. i need gross. so the line is one time. so our main problem is the flooding and date of

the natural disaster. or some, i'd say your main problem is being so g o strategic there in africa and having oil in the 1st place is just go back a little. i mean, is it was the end of the trail war important for the creation of south to done is that is that part of the context of the creation of your country is also done. the 1st thing was not created. i came through a friend of the people in the south, so down struggled through a long civil war. we can lead to didn't know where she ations. i'm so so i mean in dependence merge through that random which marks the july 9th reverse. but in the armed fighting, i mean we know from wiki leaks, julian assigns is currently in jail in london, of course, revealing that the ca paid people in south to don's army

to, to fight for the creation as well. and to the, the circumstances in which the referendum began. and in that aspect, we grateful for the friends or also don't like you. k is historical friend or social than us. is there a friend of 1000 down the people who fell down with their one on the front line. they died over for we lost over 4000000 lives to arrive, where we are. therefore, we are grateful for us and friends who stood with us during this trial. i mean, you say historical friends with the u. k. i mean, anyone who knows the colonial history of that area once done knows lee slaughter and atrocities committed by british colonialism in what is now subsidized, actually, or they forgot. that means any other mega c has its own

history. or in fact, you notice that the creation of falsehood on which i corrected that it's not the creation per se, because the people of south and died for in the forty's coming to historically good relationship with london. i mean, you're not going to a statute. lord kitchener in job presumably. i mean you don't meant the mission. she only by creation are sent to the statute for them. but we have a good relationship with the u. k. we have an embassy gilba. and before that, you k give social access to half emission in the united kingdom and this one before a data friend after the finding of the comprehensive piece of limb and in 2005. i don't know whether it amuses you that britain has a few problems with chinese investment in the past few days. big bosses of virtual

meeting with the chinese government communist body and at the same time, under pressure from washington, arguably britain is that the ban. i have some chinese companies, is that the same in south sit down because it goes, you're presidents of a gear, had to shut down oil production with a chinese investment and then reopen it at least pressure similar between britain and says, so don, in this geopolitical war between washington, emerging in relation to investment south. so i'm used to open to investors. meeting is open to the entire universe. and not we are ready to reinvent men, the new king with china as well as washington and whoever. why did the president have to shut down the chinese oil facilities and then reopen them? i mean, is the problem here that the people that give you the age money?

do the talking and prevent development in south sudan? oh, wow. can you make it clear when, when the oil chuck 2 years ago, 2 and a half years ago, president suffolk here, shut them down under pressure from washington, and then said, actually we are going to reopen it. of course. now there's massive chinese investment, hopefully coming into your country, but as you are aware, you've been before being dependent. my deloitte, actually the investment was a chinese investment. so and also our friends, such as the us, was offering the block, troy, and so if others are willing to come invest in the oil industry, they're welcome to come to sell. so don, i mean, you don't think that you're close. relationship though with washington creates problems. i mean of venezuela is the country with the biggest known oil resources.

do you think it's out to dom? we'll be able to do a deal for oil infrastructural investment in your country while london and washington are looking on by birth. johnson wants to overthrow the venezuelan government. he's talked about that nobody said, well, it's all tables for what you've done in london to invest in social and he's not like rejecting them. we are waiting if they are ready. and you saying that british companies are welcome to get these new bids for these 5 blocks and 74025000 square kilometers. have just about to go they are welcome to south to down and invest. welcome to investing the oil industry in agriculture and the different resources that we have. i just,

i just finally, the environmental degradation of the country, the settlements paid by british oil companies. i is the government going to protect the environment of don is it allows investment from british companies. we have ministry of environment. i'm sure. father street as well as the ministry of petroleum on commissions that are concerned with the effect. and we doubt we've called full capacity building in the area of the environment. mazda, thank you. and that's for the show will be back on wednesday when the un security council meets to discuss the world's worst humanitarian crisis. yemen whose was fueled by british weaponry until then keep in touch by all our social media channels, subscribed to the channel on youtube. and let us know when you think that saddam should pursue in on the line path for a prosperous future. ah, ah.

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