in alliance and 10 years after the creation of the world, the newest countries out to done, we talked with new ambassadors of the court, saint james about whether its future will be its washington consensus past or as an african oil soup about all of them all coming up in today's going underground, the 1st today bars johnson leading a country with one of the worst corona virus. dest tools in the world. arguably, he tells britain if he is eminently to let corona virus run through the population as part of a policy of her immunity. no surprise then that in the liberal policy of competition versus cooperation governs you games when it comes to the global south and vaccination. joining me now from the other wife is the policy leads to the people's vaccine, the lines knock sam's health policy advisor, anna merritt, and i thank so much for coming on. what is the people's vaccine alliance? will we see johnson every day? tell the nation here that we have one of the best vaccine rollers in the world. say the people that seen the lion movement, a global campaign of organizations, individuals with chapters all over the world, and supported by many current president, some prime ministers,

as well as former needed and nobel laureates. i'm basically what the people back in is the last thing that's available to everybody on the planet. free of charge on the access is according to need and not ability to pay. and what we have is the absolute opposite of that right now. we have seen an extreme back being inequality that not only lives at risk in many of the poor countries in the world, but is actually continuing to be a threat for all of us. because we know that unless we get back to everyone, unless everyone is protected, then none of the say, well i know china is administered at least a 1000000000 vaccines. i mean what you just said that that's exactly why the g 7 hosted by boris johnson and coldwell said we're going to we're, we're going to give out free vaccines to the book delay so you should be happy with that. so i have to say that, you know,

if we look at the level of need to get them from the control the, the trip color charity that was offered at the g 7 is nothing short of a monumental failure. in our opinion. you know, we need another 1000000000 and i'm the g 7 off adult actually less than a 1000000000 in donations with no urgency in terms of when the nations are going to be made. and the reality is that the donation we're speaking about actually needed now, because we are seeing that breaks rising from the port of the country, but they're not going to fix this crisis to be back. we actually need the g 7 countries to back the listing of the patrons on the fact that the science and know how can be shed throughout, well, we can get more qualified manufacturers making them run production. that's the only way that we're going to get back to back to make everybody and this i'll get to

intellectual property. and in a 2nd, surely these g 70 doesn't know what you are talking about in this phrase. it's so often used about when safe, etc. at china, it exploded, 48 percent of the vaccines. it produced britain in the united states. i don't know whether, you know, how many they've, i mean it's reportedly as 0. why would they not do what you are saying given that it will hum their own economies? well, i think what we're saying is we actually seen a divider g. u. s. president have actually agreed to the proposal that we lift the patience on the batting the rest of the g 7 arrive sitting on the fence or in the case as far as johnson. and i'm awfully opposed to this proposal, and we can only put that down to narrow back the nationalism and government missing the profit interest, the big pharmacy corporations ahead of global interest in terms of guessing,

i guess, in this pandemic, under control. and we really need to see the government, the german government stock blocking these proposals that would run pop supplies on the right side of history. now if we've done this a year ago, we would be in a different position. now we would have so many more doses being made developing countries. we have a short supply. * for themselves, yes, 12 months after all those commitments that the best thing would be a global public good. and they're still standing in the way of boxing in developing countries. i mean, i've seen k street in washington dc and the massive big farm lobbying firms. i mean, you saying that the big firm and low being in london in brussels is, is worse than that in the united states. so that joe biden was able to, as you say, unlike britain in the you offer some kind of intellectual property waiver. i think i think the found my lobby is we own, i was incredibly strong in the us on behalf i explained why the us president is not

doing and not to turn those words into action at the well trained organization. but yes, the bama lobby is incredibly strong in europe. europe has the you have a very check history of putting intellectual property roles in the way of access and developing countries. i'll have the you k. so we need to switch sides that we must learn from history. 20 years ago, we had a huge crisis down to have a, we had a 10000000 people die on necessarily while they was treatment available that could have saved them. yet the pharmacy school monopolies refused to lower, their prices refused to allow the generic manufacturers to make those treatments. once that decision was changed, we have seen millions of life saved. we need to do the same again. now, ironically, these countries not doing what you want them to really affect,

be actually felt by global capitalism. is that why even the i m f w t o and will bank seem to be supporting what you're saying? yeah, i mean, i think economic idiocy to, to fail to tackle backing inequality. the, the i m f is that the cost to the global economy will be in the region of mine, trillion dollars. we're already seeing a whole because of the economy. it's not in the interest to protect the i'm watering profit, the just a handful of on the policy for corporations who are very successfully creating new 1000000000 as we speak while the rest of the economy and not means job losses. that means poverty rising. we already covered the rising for the 1st time into decades in developing countries, the economic consequences,

the social consequences of the failure to absolutely got struck. we need to see some urgency. we haven't seen it yet. we need, i'm going on bars. don't seem to get on the right side and support the missing of the patients on these things. i mean, we've heard on this program has some people are accusing kovacs of being an entire failure altogether. but i mean, johnson has pledged 30000000 doses through kovacs any point in that initiative even yes, said k boxed is an important mechanism in many developing countries is the only source of supply. unfortunately, that supply has just been the triple today and say, the foundation problem there is that came back to failed to challenge the pharmaceutical monopolies. they have basically just raise money of different pharmacies, corporations, what they want, and come back to the back of the key. for those back things, supplies,

while corporations prioritize back contracts with rich nations where they can make the most profit that are always going to do that. and that's why we need to, we need to, to a new model of more distributed manufacturing around the well, you know, the, well, the currently dependent on just for the corporations who are calling the shots, they get to decide how many get may, what price discharge and who get to buy them and that will always mean that the mechanisms like that for developing countries and developing countries themselves will always be about to the key is the summer saying that government scientists, i mean to today there's this announcement about what people are using the johnson administration of pursuing a heard immunity strategy. do you think government scientists, many of them i do, the big pharmaceutical companies may be saying quietly to ministers and politicians

look to many vaccines. you're just going to create variance, let heard immunity be the strategy rather than more vaccinations. i'm not, i don't know whether i can comment on what find the same to governments. change many of those conversations that behind by the door. well, i can't say is that people being alliance, a leading that could be me on that. it's from around the well, just a few months ago, back in march. and 2 of them said, unless we tackle this been inequality, we all going to see that being resistant, rare variance within 6 to 12 months. is that right? that gives us the very frightening prospect that we will. feedback being resistant variance on our sure. enrich kind of cheese that how, you know, successfully rolled out the back scenes where we're feeling protested. we could see those very in the right. by autumn when i'm the service station that will bring. it

just doesn't bear thinking about okay, trying to be positive for 2nd. do you not think that the global south will learn from this and begin to understand the importance of local infrastructure, pharmaceutical manufacturing? maybe they'll get leaked blueprints to these patients, did vaccines and start working for themselves, rather than relying on handouts from, well, it wouldn't be in the via the i m f from the g 7 countries. so, you know, i think we need to be clear that there is already a very strong back been manufacturing based in many developing countries in india. if you look at in the navy vietnam, those governments are now saying already, we can make these, you know, we have proven science that was largely public funded. and let's not forget the vaccines were funded by the taxpayers now into science. we share now with those

qualified manufacturers, we could see production ramped up in developing countries right now. within a matter of lungs, those manufacturers are coming. who would think we can make them as long as you client base already exist without. without that, we need more investment in manufacturing. in developing countries across africa. the african union has a target of making 60 percent of its own vaccines. within the next few decades, bishop target it's the right water. but those countries will need support and we need and they need the science now. manufacturing can be wrapped up when manufacturing people already. and typically there's no regulator here that can intervene. there's no higher authority the united nations to intervene to force the european union and the british government to give away the recipe to the vaccine against corona buyers. there is no higher level, i mean, every,

every proposal on the table at the well trade organization that would see these intellectual property listed. but to agree that is dependent on the government coming together and agreeing that now over a 100 countries already supporting this proposal, including president biden, including president my problem, including the russian government, including the chinese government. government is just a handful less like the u. k. and germany who was standing in the way, if they shifted, we could get a consensus and we could get things moving as quickly as possible. they need to get, they need to start blocking this proposal. and i thank you. thank you very much. after the break, 10 years after the george clooney in washington sponsored creation of south to done as a light of a new dawn. what next for the country blighted by civil war, corruption of famine and new liberalism. all this more can we help in part 2 of going underground?

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chemical illusion actually done on the, on the financial young hoody illusion. right. you lose could put it in, you could shoot it to the lower the news. welcome back. in part one we spoke about, maxine deposit is richard nations. would vaccines to the detriment of poor ones? but is this merely the way they to nation? imperialism works is 10 years since the creation of oil rich, south sudan, now auctioning oil contract on the global market ribbon buy food insecurity and killing the country's future, though, be brighter than anyone can imagine. joining me now is south sedans, new investors, london, agnes oswald, thank you so much master of coming on. people might have heard it out. you don't get george clooney you campaign for the creation of it. how isn't the 1st 10 years of its existence been there since 10 years overall has been

going well defined. the challenges also has made a lot of progress. as you are aware, we build the nation out of scratch given to never station on do over 50 years. so struggled, i mean, you have worth 3 enough 1000000000 barrels a day being produced at the moment. 90 percent of the oil hasn't been extracted yet . i mean, you say it's been going well, why does it have food insecurity and why? i don't know, take covert, for instance, i was reading, you only had maybe 4 ventilated population of 12000000 people. 24 in terms of cabin right now we have 11 to let us and thanks to the well wishes on the partners on wall health organization. it's also done supporting as you notate very well, we also have the united kingdom, usertesting and dario health and education. so the number of different tomatoes has

the increase rate of coverage. 19 you also don't need might not be the c via in comparison to other nation, but the impact is rio. yeah. the deaths and no and near as bad as hearing britain per capita. obviously you mention british aid, what did you make of this? so your counterparts in effects in juma apparently telling the me telling n g o is not to contact me the or especially sky news, about any discussion of the foreign aid cuts from london. i have no comment on you k as and you know they have their division because the aide comes from them. however, creating an impact on nations such as the republicans also done, which is a developing state in comparison to develop nations. so what are things also

learning for people not be attention being drawn to the money aspect is doug and we are faced with natural disasters such as flog low cost. so for the last 3 years there have been have you flooding throughout the country. so 7 out of 10 states and water and as we speak, the heavy rain, the sporting duty public. and at the same time these affects their livelihood. in terms of food security, in terms of small funding skin. because people who do form for self sufficiency, not necessarily for export, for instance, we do, which we had to look to develop. i mean, we haven't natural disasters in other countries though, that, you know, obviously affects different places,

but then they prepare for themselves. it wasn't able to prepare for the living. we're not able to prepare for the flooding given to what i have noted that it is a new nation build out of scratch. so, and this is the way it comes to health and the capacity building will leave in how to mitigate the flood. because he's not just, you know, it's a flood. most of the country seating on the water. i mean, eritrea has a new country. it has no food insecurity at all and health care. you don't think that part of the problem and sadly done is this reliance on washington consensus partners like london and the european union. more than more than the tilting to beijing, which i know is a massive invest in a growing investor and such as i noted,

so also dining manage out of a long struggle. so building institutions takes time and currently government through our vision. we actually have vision 2040. well we have to look into how to develop agriculture using their money from the oil. basically process of diversifying the economy, which would lead to the reduction of poverty. sol, so that being said, sufficient instead of relying on 8. but i noted earlier, the lundy is vast, verifying so small, farming scale makes a difference, such as backyard funding, you know, in cell. so down you can throw anything on the ground, i need gross. so the line is one time. so our main problem is the flooding and

date of the natural disaster, or some, i say your main problem is being so geo strategic there in africa and having oil in the 1st place is just go back a little. i mean, is it was the end of the ethiopian trail war, important for the creation of south to done is that is that part of the context of the creation of your country is also done. the 1st thing was not created. i came through a friend of the people in the south, so down struggled through a long civil war. we can lead to didn't know where she ations. i'm also in dependence. merge through random which marks the july and i and then for the reverse center. but in the army fighting, i mean we know from wiki leaks, julian assange is currently in jail in london. of course, revealing that the ca paid people in south to don's army

to, to fight for the creation as well. and to the, the circumstances in which the referendum began. and in that aspect, we grateful for the friends also don. thank you, kate. he story some friends or social them. us is a friend of 1000 down. the people are also done where they one on the front line. they died over for the last over 4000000 lives to arrive, where we are doubtful. we are grateful for partners and friends who stood with us during this trial. i mean, you say historical friends with the u. k. i mean, anyone who knows the colonial history of that area once done knows we slaughter and atrocities committed by british colonialism in what is now subsidized, actually, or they forgot that, well, i mean, on the other mega see,

has its own history. or in fact, you know, that the creation of what i'm, which i correct is that it's not the creation per se, because the people of south that died for the, for these come in a historically good relationship with london. i mean i'm going to statues and lord kitchener in job presumably i. 5 mean you don't to amend the relationship only by creation of the statute for them, but we have a good relationship with the u. k. we have an embassy and before that you k give them access to half emission in the united kingdom and this was before a data friend after the finding of the comprehensive piece of limb and in 2005. i don't know whether it amuses you that britain has a few problems with chinese investment in the past few days. big bosses of virtual meeting with the chinese government communist party. and at the same time,

under pressure from washington, arguably, britain is that to ban some chinese companies is that the same in south sit down because it goes, you're presidents of a gear, had to shut down oil production with a chinese investment and then reopen it at least pressures similar between britain and saddam in this geo political war between washington emerging in relation to investment south. so that is open to investors. meeting is open to the entire universe. a not we. we are ready to be invest in the new k. we china as well as washington and whoever, why, why did the president have to shut down the chinese oil facilities and then reopen them? i mean, is the problem here that the people that give you the age money,

do the talking and prevent development in south sudan? oh, wow. can you make it clear when, when do oil check 2 years ago, 2 and a half years ago, presidents of a year, shut them down under pressure from washington, and then said actually we are going to reopen it. of course. now there's massive chinese investment, hopefully coming into your country. but as you are aware, you've been before a day dependent. my deloitte, actually the investment was a chinese investment. so and also our friends, such as the us, was offered the blog, oil, and so if others are willing to come invest in the oil industry, they're welcome to come to sell. so don, i mean, you don't think you're close. relationship with washington creates problems. i mean, venezuela is the country with the biggest known,

while resources do you think south sudan would be able to do a deal for oil infrastructural investment in your country while london and washington are looking on by the birth. johnson wants to overthrow the venezuelan government. he's talked about that no, but he said, well, it's all tables for washing done. i'm not going to invest in social and he's not like directing them. we are willing, if they are ready and you are saying that british companies are welcome to get these new bids for these 5 blocks and 74025000 square kilometers. have just about to go they are welcome to south sudan and invent welcome to inventing the oil industry in agriculture and the different resources that we have. i just, i just finally of the environmental degradation of the country,

the settlements paid by british oil companies. i is the government going to protect the environment of don is it allows investment from british companies. we have ministry of environment. i'm sure. father street as well as the ministry of petroleum on commissions that are concerned with that effect. and we doubt we call for capacity building in the area of the environment. mazda, thank you. and that's for the show will be back on wednesday when the un security council needs to discuss the world's worst humanitarian crisis. yemen whose was fueled by british weaponry until then keep in touch, why will our social media channel subscribe to the channel on youtube? and let us know when you think that saddam should pursue in on the line path for a prosperous future. ah, ah,

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