up to my friend because we're saying there is a lot of racial abuse we, we don't know full time so they have received, well, let me, let me qualify one of just because he did a hell of a statement. i know it could be for all we know, a dozen kids who come from the kinds of backgrounds where the bread to be racist told to be racist. encouraged to be so. so they grow up with these thoughts in their head, and they want to spend that bile as far as and why did they possibly can. so they choose this convenient method of going on. social media certainly goes viral and it appears to be a problem of monstrous proportions. it might not be, we simply don't have evidence to prove one way or another. the scale of this problem. what we do know is that in everyday society, racism has been diminishing. okay, look on that point, we're going to have to wrap it up, but my thank you will

a great discussion. that was bill me that a technology expert at this cash rule in the middle says your professor asked and university new market gases international affairs commentator. thank you. thank you for watching the back again in half. ah. when i was shot the wrong one all just don't the room. yes to shape out. the thing becomes the after an engagement equal trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart and we choose to look for common ground in the

ah ah with ah hello in welcome to cross top where all things considered i'm peter lavelle. remember the great 964 film dr. strange lobe. do you remember the subtitle of the film? it was how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. well, i have a 2021 updated subtitle. when it comes to the surveillance state, how i learned to stop worrying and love the intel community. folks today are not feared they're adored. ah, ah, cross talking the security state, i'm joined by my guess,

ray mcgovern in raleigh. he is a former c. i a analyst in atlanta. we have robert patello. he is a civil rights attorney, as well as a radio host and in lake jackson, we have daniel mcadams. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity. our child in cross sack roles and effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let me go to you 1st, re you're the spook on the program. i think when you were coming up through the ranks, we don't have to look at all of the decades, but i think you were coming up. that was all healthy suspicion of people like you in the ca. i remember the church commission and now speed up to the present. why does the liberal media adore the intelligence community so much? what changed? it's a remarkable chain if you look at m s m b, c. i mean, when tucker carlson claims that he was being surveilled by the n a say you had all these former bush cheney officials saying no tucker must be out of his mind or he

has a different agenda here. these are all on m s, n, b, c. these are all bush cheney people. ok, i mean, how did this all happen? go ahead re well, one has to understand that the media is really controlled by what eisenhower said 60 years ago now, was the military industrial complex chain. the media works for the rest of those. the corporate media is bought and sold is controlled by the rest of that complex. now it's the military, industrial, congressional intelligence, media, academia, think tank complex. i call it that. make you mad. now back in the day when i was working as a, there was a lot of interference with the media that a lot of people placed in the media. the church commission was in 1975 if memory

serves, and there were some steps taken aboard it. so one decade later, bill casey comes in under ronald reagan, bill k, she becomes the director of central intelligence. and the 1st thing he says at the 1st cabinet meeting in the white house, and i have an eye witness there and told me this when we have dish our information . so that everything the american people believe is why we will have achieved our mission. bill casey, a direct quote, shared simultaneous or contemporaneously with people or the washington post. so, you know, i don't know where bill case she is now. she's probably, well, i think, i, well, anyhow, i don't know. we all know where he is. we all know where you don't have to say, let me go to let me go to robert here. let me go to robert here. robert, i mean, you know, i'm a conservative, you're not obviously, but i mean,

when i watch cnn and m s m b, c. i mean, it's one intelligence official after another. i mean, where it's going, greenwald, or aaron, my k. i mean, because they would challenge these things and all i see is, is that the, i see these networks is just being mouthpiece for, for power. and for the intelligence community. like i said to me, just bring on when, when was get a different opinion there might be healthy for the, for the audience. it might be healthy for public discussion. go ahead, robert group, or the, pull it by the name of gil scott heron, who said the military in the monetary they come together whenever necessary. and that's what we're seeing when it comes to the media right now that they have their teams, they put on their jersey and whatever and, and the other team they are in favor of. so long as you have blood intelligence officials or anti trump, or anti conservative media or anti something along those lines, they will put them all in regards to whatever else they have done. what we have to remember the history that the intelligence agencies have particularly progressive

causes and even more particularly african american community. we look at fred hampton, and wet pampers. you can look at the surveillance of king america back there on the 19th. and so there is no great, well of trust between the intelligence organizations in the black community. but because so many of these media outlets are simply a anti trump outlet or anti conservative outlet. they will put on anybody who supports that worldview, whether it's anti their own world, or event, my friend. but robert is that healthy for public discourse? i mean, it's a, it's all about trump arrangement syndrome, 6 months after he's left. the office is that it is that the, the, the, me, the prism in which we have to see everything here because i can't watch these other networks because they keep beating a drum and it's not in the interests of the public. as matter fact, it just creates more complex. let me go to daniel here, daniel remark and what you've heard so far here because, you know, i get, you know,

the issue of doing a song, for example. ok, which is just a blackout in the mainstream media. there's a lot of things going on in his case, but they won't talk about it. okay. but it's been this, is that not just misinformation? it's just the policy of omission all of the time. go ahead, daniel. well, i think it is, you know, that the process of the media and the, and the intelligence community merging, started and has been facilitated by war if you remember. and you can go back further, i'm sure, but i would market the 1st gulf war, where you started seeing generals and other military personnel appear on cnn and appear on the other networks as experts they brought in their outside expertise and they brought it in to explain to people what was happening, of course it was colored by their affiliations. then you saw an increase in that of course in yugoslavia, more military people, more intelligence people. and now we're at the point where we're not bringing in outside experts to serve to explain military operations to civilians. you're

actually seeing a merger between the intelligence community, the military community and the media itself together in an unholy alliance. it really is what non chomsky called manufacturing consent because the american people are against war. they have been against war. any peace candidate wins. trump ran as a piece candidate. that's why he won. so you have to manufacture the consent and that's what we're seeing. the corporatization of the media, the media companies being owned by companies that also make the tools of war and bringing in people the propaganda as the americans to support this foreign policy. that's your unholy alliance. and that's what's creating the national security state . you know, re just, you were on the inside and i'm sure you still know a lot of people affiliated with the intelligence of always wanted to ask someone like yourself this question. i mean, when you, when it comes to journalists, are they afraid of the intelligence community? or do they see it as an opportunity to further their careers, or maybe it's both at the same time. go ahead re you took the words out of my mouth

theatre. it's both, but i have a little she very short been yet to prove the point. after i challenge rumsfeld 15 years ago now, and atlanta public board minute debate with him, i got a call in the fall. oh, this is anderson cooper. i have been been causing quite a start down here in atlanta. i would like to ask you on my program, but 1st i have a question. what that is reason why aren't you afraid? yeah, exactly. i thought anderson actually it was, it was a real high. i had done my homework. i knew that i asked the right question, have to lie a get it. and you might want to try that some time. he said, well, i'll have my people get in touch with you. okay. bye. no, no, no, don't do that. understand why? i don't have any, just call me back and i'll be on your show. do you know peter, the 1st on his show, why was, weren't you afraid?

there's no shame in it to be afraid to keep your job. and when it comes to edison engine coker, the air to the vendor bo fortune, it's more than just the money. it's the profile. it's been a pretty boy on cnn. well, i mean, being in the knob prefer is the easiest thing in the world. ok that's, that's the easy that, you know, robert, you know, i always go after seeing in an m s and b c. now i'm going to go after fox ok lore ingram. i, a couple years ago i had former c i a director was really, i think it was on and you know, and he was saying, well, yeah, sometimes it's ca, does this, you know, we talk about a read, you know, maybe guatemala. and then she asked or do they, you still do it today? and he did this, but bumbling act in front of her was really quite embarrassing for an adult man. and she just let it stand. i mean, i found out to be cowardice. i mean, it's you, so what is your answer? can you kind of elaborate, sir?

but no, that's going to commercial break. ok. so you know, so much as i go after the liberal media, you know, fox news is no better. go ahead, robert. or the end of the day, the whether it's a liberal or conservative media, they all have the same corporate money motive behind them. getting viewership, it's about making sure that you have to get to sell my pillow, get to sell all these other products that are being hopped on the network. and that's been done by getting viewership. think about the story that happened in international affairs every single day that affect millions of people across the globe. and then think about me, petting political arguments having and you guys things media. when you're talk about a genocide of the wake or genocide in my him or let's estimations in haiti, america, we're talking about c r t. and whether or not there's patriarch to, to say that or song or not though they make their money by keeping up the strength to keeping divide, it keep concentrating on the triviality of life and ignore what's going on in the macro sphere of the world. and the longer they can keep on ignoring people's last, the more they can fill as the sugar water and hamburger if they're trying to close

down our throats. because that's what america medium american media is, has nothing to be true. a reality is about making money. ok, daniel, last minute before we go to the break, go. well, interestingly enough, that segment you mentioned about woolsey on the lower income show. i remember that very well, because the last thing that was said is she asked woolsey. well, we don't interfere in elections overseas. we don't over term governments overseas, do we? and he laughed and while and said, only against the bad guys, that's right. effects. yes. so that was the admission that we do it. of course we do it, but by definition, any country, any election we attack overseas? well, they had it come in there, the bad guys. well, yeah, but again, it shows levered level of cowardice because anyone that you know, if anything about american foreign policy understands like, just the problem is, is that if we do it, it's okay for some reason. and that is to be element of american exceptionalism. that is so very damaging. ok. because how dare anyone interfere in our elections.

ok. except for the fact that it maybe it's just uses the domestic political ploy. ok, i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to want a short break. that's about short break. we'll continue our discussion on the security state state with r t g the ah no look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except when the shorter the conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. the point obviously is to great truck rather than fear take on various jobs with the artificial intelligence, we have so many with him and a

robot must protect his phone existence with exist the time now for another of our summer solutions, we look at the solutions and not the problem is not great. well, next either we're joined today by dan collins. he is financial analysts, market analyst with an expertise on china. he's lived there for 20 years as an auto executive and entrepreneur and just cool guy and dental to summer solutions. he agreed to be back with

me ah ah, i use the welcome x across side where all things are considered. i'm peter a bell to remind you where can we will continue our discussion on the security state. the re, i only go back to you in raleigh. i kind of want to go back to the question i asked you in the 1st part of the program here about the fear in opportunism here. i mean,

how much it does, i mean, and this is through a continuum of across time here. i mean, how much policy is really determined by the security stayed here because we, we got to kind of a glimpse of that there reach under donald trump when he resisted. ok. and he constantly resisted, but he essentially gave up almost every single time here. and then we, you know, we have the, by the administration finally withdrawing from afghanistan. good, that's fine. i kudos to per, finally gimme getting out if they actually really get out. but i mean, how much does the security state determine what policy goals are and what are the limits of power that elected officials have, for example, the president of the united states. while the president of the united states does not have complete power, the making mad does the deep state is a major part of the mickey met. one of the ways that the media,

which is the cornerstone, the fulcrum of the deep state. the way it works is by suppressing information you may change. julian assigns before. you know, peter, that's the whole case. and surely, it's called park. it's collapsed all. but people who read the new york times don't know it because it's been deliberately suppressed. the guy who gave the information to the f. b, i recanted his testimony, but no american mainstream press knows about it. nor do they know that the charge of russian hacking into the 2016 election has been completely rebuffed by the guy by the horse's mouth, the cyber security chief of crowd strike. we testified 3 and a half years ago that there was no, no evidence that anybody hacked into the d and c, not the rushes at anybody. nobody knows that either. nobody knew before the 2004 re election of bush that they say it was,

it was tapping into or telephone calls and all our emails because the new york times. so james rice or no, no, it's july 2004 don't. it's too close. to the election, please suppress that and they did for 16 months. so there you go. they suppress what they don't like the american people to know. and so it's easy to do policies that are based on lies. you know, if they go, let me go to robert and atlanta, you know, they, i think all of us would agree what i hope all of our viewers would agree, the events of january 6 or a tragedy. it was a riot. it shouldn't have happened. and if people should be brought to justice, i just hope it's not political justice. a subject for a different program. nonetheless. and bringing up january 6, congress just gave the capital police $2000000000.00. the start setting up offices around the country. you know what this sounds like to me, robert sounds like the stars the. it sounds like an american version of the starchy

and in an environment of deep on the police there giving $2000000000.00 to a police force that didn't do its job on january 6. and i look at them, they didn't the media coverage at all. it's almost kind of like bravo, we need protection here from the, the, the, the unwashed or whatever here. i mean, i find it really extraordinary the, another branch of the intelligence community is being established, extremely well funded. and no one saying, don't you think this is going away away too far? i mean, it, what is it going to be parallel to the f b i instead of examining these agencies in their budgets or dis, expanding them? go ahead robert. well, you know, we've been in the same mindset since 911 where every time there's a problem, there's a new federal agency or france or federal agency to, to address that every. everything is everything of the mail. we want to be a hammer. so to say with all the same thing with black, white matter and quote unquote n t for protests were conservative, wanting to send out the f, b i, and the,

and other government agencies to root out quote unquote, black. i didn't the previous to route out and teen for groups and anti fascist group and start bringing both people and we think the influence of different infiltration in those groups. so what be, what start out of people being for protests, all of a sudden pallets a brick showed up out of nowhere. and signs and banners showed about a know where police were told to stand down out of nowhere, causing things to spiral out of control. which creates the type of domestic strife which is needed when you have the government entities infiltrating the mag movement on the one. and then you have government trading the black lab matter and then people move it on the other end. then you get the type of social stripe, which is needed to expand the governance or family for various states. they spam demanding states and take going individual reading. freedoms and rights were still god, we still don't know the full extent to which we lost our pro, freedom of identity or freedom of personal expression or freedom. war papers and effects after 911 is going to take up the other 20 or 30 years to roll that out.

and while they're doing that, they're still taking more. busy and more away from that point than most americans don't have the haitian of freedom anymore patient or privacy. the more simply we assume the government resolve our we assume the government, i have a camera on our computer and on our phone that knows every where we go and track everything we do and that to be a steering place where we're going to be. yeah, i agree, daniel the, the, the thing that you brought it up in the 1st answer on this program that i asked you, is that, i mean, why should we give people more power in more money when they have a record of abysmal failure? i mean, object failure, okay. i mean, you have a police force that couldn't protect the capital, so you rewarded by x be expanding and giving it more money. look at the us military . i mean, you know, the, the war in afghanistan apparently is coming to an end, but there is no post mortem of why we had to stay there for 20 years. and why are we still in iraq? why are we in syria? there's no compensation in the, in the mass media, there is

a 0 conversation about that. but these are obvious questions to ask if you want to get you, we, they want money from us and then they want to curtail our freedoms. ok. and it, this is a spiral downward. go ahead, daniel. well, depends on how you define the term failure, because i would suggest it's certainly in the case of the capitol hill police. there were some great successes. there is video that exists of them opening the doors for the protesters to come in and share your view, peter, that people the damage things should be brought to heal for damaging things and for hurting people. nevertheless, there's plenty of evidence that they did open the door for some protesters. the capitol hill police are the perfect stars, the organization. they are the private intelligence and law enforcement. agency of the speaker of the house of representatives and the senate majority leader. the answer to no one else, but these 2 individuals, as you point out, they're expanding to other states to set up operations. they're also in the,

in the middle of deploying now intelligence, military surveillance equipment that they acquired from the army that have been used enough, gaining any iraq to deploy those around washington. and guess what? it's going to go across the rest of the country to this is the least transparent law enforcement intelligence agency in the country. even less transparent than the cia they don't respond to foyer. none of their internal investigations are ever made public. they haven't released a minute of these 14000 hours of video that they have of the so called riots. this is the american, stodgy. this is the corporate state because they are in bed with the weapons manufacturers. they're in bed with the military. this is one of the most dangerous developments that i've seen in the entire time that i've been covering the national security state rate. from your experience to these people, these faces bureaucrats from the n. s, a c i a and the rest of the alphabet organization. do they really, truly believe they know what's best for the country?

do they, do they feel that they have some kind of better insight than the democratic process? whether they do or not, they have unlimited power because there is no supervision. there is no way to check on what they do. and the people who are supposed to be in charge of oversight have turned oversight into overlook. why? because they know there's a file on ation. every one of those. now with respect to other c and the stacy, just let me say this. after. as snowden reveal the extent of the surveillance, we talked to all friends wolf gong smith from the spicy. he was a colonel. yeah. what. what do you say to say i don't mind being surveil. i'd have nothing to heidi. she's just, you know, mary mary polish. he said you don't get to decide what they use against true. the only way to comment is from being used against your top priorities from being caught in the 1st place. and that's it. you have that from being collected in the

1st place and the, the congress is cutlass. they're afraid they're afraid. and besides that, they're afraid. okay, well robert, i mean this has been a very, very depressing program here. i don't see any way out. i think we're, i think we're just being in circle here because again, a good part of the media just worship these, these organs of security. i mean, i find it really, really terrifying. and just to kind of extend with ra, what we had from daniel, i don't see a road record of, of success. so i mean, and robert, in your last answer, all this infiltration of all of these groups here. i mean, i remember it very well, reporting it in chicago, 968. now they've just turned it into an art form right now. it's very difficult to determine who is determining what go ahead, robert. one, appreciate that great. a german accent. i mean that so probably, quite frankly,

but what on, on the same, no, we have to understand the needs. people have a very hobby in view of the state of nature, and the idea of what people will be like without governmental oversight, know and overreach. they believe they need to control every part of our life. they have to control what our children read and to control what we eat. they control within the waters of why they need to know what's on all of your social media on time, including your burner accounts, even going to what books in your telephone calls. it is all in the interest of quote unquote national security. but we have to start asking are so what nation are they securing this still the nation that we were promised a nation that we believed in the freedom that we're supposed to have as america is that still a thing that can happen going forward and is the only thing that the american people care about because i think in most surveys and was telling you that our commission, you'll see that people say they what freedom and security will we rank it. they, they're more concerned about being free from terrorism, free from crime, free from foreign interference, than they are, will,

being free from governmental overreach to bang out here their lives. so i want to jump in here re, we have 30 seconds. i want to, i want you to tell my audience why you're growing a beard. 30 seconds it has to do with julian assigned. she happens to be a good friend of mine and who is actually in maximum peril right now. isn't bell marsh. heavy security prison in london all because she revealed us war crimes, pure and simple. he looked very dishevelled when he was dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy in april of 2 years ago. and this is today. ok, what i, what i want people to remember that and will when you shave your beer, will know what was good news. it's all the time we have gentlemen many, thanks them i guess in raleigh, atlanta and in lake jackson. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time, remember, cross out the

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