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after the alleged us back, who in bolivia and continued u. k. u. s. attempts to overthrow the government of venezuela. what is going on in cuba? and why is nature nation media promoting the children of those who abandoned fidel castro's revolution, and arguably the best universal health care in the hemisphere. we speak to an advisor to the bolivian government and of the un publish a damning revolt into the state of global food insecurity. we ask the chief economist for the us, food and agriculture organization, whether only revolution can end world hunger after cove. it all isn't more coming out today's going underground. the 1st director all of a stone told us last week, how predictable it is for us president to go on the record and support forces trying to overthrow the cuban government. having to joe biden was the mayor of miami, who appeared to advocate us coalition air strikes against the island, famous for being the flashpoint, nearly lead to the end of the world. someone who knows about nature nation interference in the so called backyard is professor diego on the condo advisor to the incumbent bolivian president louis south. he joins me from london. diego,

thanks so much for coming on. your 1st the reaction to this, why you're in london. so you can see that coverage, some of it bizarrely from miami, present the children of, of those opposed to the cuban revolution. what was your reaction that wasn't long ago, they were saying, because during coal with the food security, there's 5000 that doctors, cuba is sending the 40 countries and now suddenly cuba is finished. the revolutions over thank you for having me. first of all, yes, good to be here in london where yes, i can see the coverage of international news has shifted. i think it's a bit different from what it was a few years ago. and i think sometimes there's are enough perspectives from the south, especially latin america and in terms of cuba. so historic change that's happening . blue bolivia, brazil, chilly. have all looked up to cuba in many ways as

a leader of the revolution and none of the events and phenomena, movements, and in america that are occurring now would happen without the leadership of cuba historically. so we are very anxious to see what is going to happen in cuba. i think there's the bar was the major or the major reason for the crisis and historically in the last few decades. but i think we also have to admit that the human economic model has failed to a significant extent to for some people in and inside cuba. and we have to be a little bit so critical as well. and maybe to see what other pathways are to get out of that more asked, in a sense, i think what's happening in south america on the last will be possible avenue for change and improvement in cuba as well. because of the economic transition towards, for example, green energy there, are there happening and truly believe the argentine in terms of lithium, for example, when i actually get to lithium in

a 2nd. but you mentioned those other countries. and of course, you're referring to to us in bolivia, maybe the return of lula in bolivia, in brazil, the latin american superpower in next year. you don't think washington is looking at that very closely. the fact that this so called return to the pink tide is going to help cuba let alone all those countries and washington has to exert something more muscular to use a terrible germ about lib liberal intervention. i mean, you hear that miami may are saying as strikes and needed like yugoslavia. not inconceivable. i mean, we know that this has happened in many countries and, but as well recently, i think it's possible there might be more and more still intervention. there was also for the case of the mercenaries in haiti recently and, and also in bolivia last year with some of that was covered just recently by the intercept. so as told and that's not impossible. and i think that us is really make

a mistake in instill, again, hard line stance towards a lot of this progressive governments and america, by insisting on the language of discourse, human rights, et cetera, when in fact some of what's happening in the american now is really not the violation of human rights, it's actually progressive movements and ideas that ought to be given the respect they deserve. sovereign countries. so definitely the us taking no, of course trumpeting instruction was it was worse. but i think even with biting, we see again, it's going to moralizing view that in the end hearse, both sides most latin america. and i think in the long run, heard us american interests as well echoed in the so called mainstream media. or are they chastened by the fact they fail to overthrow the venezuelan government? i mean one guy who has been to london in downing street with boris johnson bars, johnson is explicit that he wants the overthrow of the current venezuelan

government. yes, and again, this is something that even in the u. s. i would say, 1st of all of us tend to ignore look in america and, and that's some big mistake. obviously there's the immigration test will be the major reason why we talk about a lot in america in the u. s. and there's a lack of economic integration, cultural integration. the whole idea of the us is exceptional and different. i think that's, that's a major blog. the thinking of some understanding of americans when in fact the us has a lot of commonalities with latin america as opposed to society with racial divisions and diversity in the presidential system. so all these similarities ought to be emphasized as opposed to being minimized and. and so that does trace the risk and this is reflected in foreign policy. i think the u. s. has to take a much more self reflective perspective and to change its position, but definitely via sort of more muslim progression is always on the table when it

comes to american foreign policy. so we have to be very aware of that. and i think the only way that it can be, stop is by pressuring from outside and from within a thanks to people like bernie sanders and others who are more progressive might be able to persuade president binding to take the road. but what, i'm sure, you know, i'm not sure how often they, they meet in spanish. i mean, you're an expert on lithium. what do you say to the bolivian president incumbent luis us about lithium? i mean, you heard a lot musk, a pioneer of electric cars powered on lithium. we all carry lithium in our mobile phones. in almost said we will, qu, whoever we want, no evidence that he was behind the jenny in the us bag. who would, i mean, how, how do you advise louise us to run bolivia in the face of one of the riches people are not saying we can qu, he won't. so that was a very controversial estate,

i think ultimately does mainly self promotion for only moscow. just to get and get into news and to say something provocative. there hasn't been anything directly involved in linking him to the cool. but this kind of off the cuff cowboys, kind of the statement i think is real dangerous because that has created a lot of animosity in bolivia towards the us and towards american companies. i think it's possible to repair that damage if you have an alternative kind of trip, an interpreter leadership within the us who are going to respect bolivia, laws and the blue people and come to work with bolivia as partners. and so one thing i advise the lease says that he should watch movies work with anybody. it could be china, russia, the u. k in the us. but they have to respect the laws and the people of bolivia that's, that's the 1st thing. and they have to have some idea of war believe what's the

history of the, what's the indigenous community order. they were there like you can just come in and take the lithium. so i think which is very much open to working with anybody as long as they respect the fact that it's a national national resources it's, it's not going to be privatized. but companies can come in and work to help extract the lithium and commercialize it until it in the best way that will help bolivia minimize poverty, but also improve its position geopolitically. and it's such a big resource, the resource and believe, you know, just so you need a beautiful soul lake and you know, we should be protected, of course, for environmental tourism reasons, but it's extremely large. and so it's kind of a win win situation for the world. you know, the whole world is to serve to green energy, and bolivia is key crucial elements in, in this transition. so it has to be done in a way the respects the sovereignty of bolivia and identify that it can be privatized past efforts, additional gas and water in bolivia, which led to basically the rise of mono morales, the american,

and oil. just have to learn from that and avoid stop going to be insisting on that . so i think it's possible to do that i think with lusan. so we have a more pragmatic technocratic approach to politics over the left. and i think again, any negotiation with usually rings on alarm bells in latin america, we can see what happened to ecuador, but i mean, even in the past few days, nescafe is reportedly worried about your new state owned coffee initiatives. the europe in union did not back morale as is allegations that there will be in the u. s. back who and now it's condemning the detention of this alleged d. c. washington proxy janine on years. i mean, i'm the catholic church as well, i think is condemning it. do you not tell the president the no country with resources that internationally desired in the global south last long?

well, i mean, we were hoping that that's not always going to be the case. so we can, we can be for the listing. i think we have to think that maybe this is the one time they're going to change history. of course, historically, right. this has happened all over the world from iran to cuba to julia sarah. but i think we're to be optimistic. i think we have to be talking craddick, man, history word that has meant privatization means more, more free markets. but the way that research approaching it is, yes, we can be, have socialist countries, navigate in a world of capital markets to its own benefit. and perhaps from their most blogs in which countries can corporate and acquire more sovereignty and to be able to deal with the major countries are much more equal playing field. how prepared is government for the onslaught of so called mainstream meteor, in nato nations. attacks on maybe you personally let alone the president,

let alone the currency, let alone, perhaps us back to a nato back terrorism, which we've seen in latin america over the decades. especially worried about what happened last year with mercenary is coming from the u. s. and that was stopped. i mean, this is something that came last year was recently reported by the interest on the guardian, etc. but this can happen at any moment. it's again, we need all allies within the u. s. within america to help us communicate better. i think it's the risk that we have to take, but very rarely do we have such resources like lithium, for example, that can be transformative for, for bolivia. and it has to be managed in a way that will provide health and education for everybody. and it should not be for a benefit, for particular regional bolivia. it has to be for everybody. so i think it's, it's a difficult process or this whole task, but we have to be optimistic. there's another alternative. and i think again,

finally have partners from anywhere in the world. but insisting that we have to be equal partners who cannot be simply giving away the resources and the media in the us basically, we were non existent in america based on a distance of america, especially especially mainstream media. so i doubt that's going to change. so it's really important to have alternative sources of information. and so that's something that we need to keep building. and to again explain what is the bolivian model. socialism is it's a different model from cuba. it's different from, from the previous cases, from it as well. it's a chronology successful model during the period girls or at least 5 percent every year. it's a reduction of poverty by more than 30 percent. so it's not the kind of popular socialism that we've seen before and many other countries. and i think it can be a sort of for the rest of the less when movements in america that we are seeing now the result of the constituents, the nuclear station in for chile,

the protest in columbia, i think they are taking a cue from bolivia. they're learning from the national model, bolivia, it's a new model that people should know about. and it's something that can benefit again, many, many sectors of society and it's not just for one, industry, etc. so i think we have to do a good job in transitioning from gas to deliver them. so that's a general strategy. i'm thinking to advise president our so on professor ga ga. what kind of thank you. thank you very much to player. now after the break from sanctions to was to climate change, we asked the chief economist of the us food and agriculture organization. if the goal of ending world hunger by 2013 as possible at all in the face of us had gemini, almost more coming up about 2 of going undergrad. ah,

welcome to mac geysers quite as a survival guide. looking forward to your investment. this is what happened is the benches in britain delicate watch kaiser report when i would show the wrong one, i just don't need you to fill out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground the welcome back. in part one, we looked at the effect of us sanctions joining a global pandemic on cuba and latin america. well, today

a report is published by the un on the stage of food security in nutrition in the world. but is there any chance of achieving the goal of eliminating world hunger by 2030 in the face of us sanctions and was in the extractive nature of global capital . joining me from room is the chief economist of u. n's food and agriculture organisation maximo, to rarer who co authored the report. thank you so much. maxima for coming on here in london were treated to pictures one so called mainstream media. richard branson, billionaires going to space. the u. s. fed says the american households at 13 trillion to their savings, the u. k. resolution foundation. say 7800 pounds richer. the house phone is got here in london. your report. 800000000 not being able to feed themselves. yeah. is that 161000000 people more than 2019 are growing and the nurse so it is hugely challenging. but that does not mean that we don't have

a good and that's what we try to raise this report. so the report is trying to bring up the numbers and especially on trying to show the big asian of the drivers which are normally climate conflict at low down and down terms of 19 how that's what the situation in one of the highest spike in the last 2 decades of, of increase of clinic and emerge. many of the world. exactly. there are recommendations. it's not just oh, they're all these people that would be more impoverished by corona virus. would you say that loans paid to the debt pre payments to the i m f. and so one of contributed as well no, no i think what, what we are facing and the ration because because of my team, he's basically because of the log down, not so long time period. ringback has been extended for a new computer and that has that correlate on on the, on the creek and the beatles and therefore,

unprofessional economic recession. so that economy has created, brought him off. i said people don't having enough income to be able to support. so that's a challenge we're facing right now, and that is clearly reflected in the numbers we are observing. now in the numbers we're looking at also, we see that there are some prices and that is also linked to your the original va loans, latin america, which is mostly middle, middle income country, is one of the regional which is the most effective. and the reason for this is because that america is usually an informal economy, 55.2 percent. in average countries go up to 70 percent looking formality like now if you're in an informal economy where you don't have access to health insurance, you don't have access to employment insurance, and you don't have access to those acuity and economy loss slow. in some countries more than a year, then all these informal economy stopped economic activities. and therefore, before the middle class, now you have become in poverty under the nurse people because they don't have

access to cash anymore because they don't have any going to be. so i think it has, i think it all in the world. so it's more than just because of the payment of long . it's a more complex problem. of course, there is a driver's structural drivers already there. and these were the ones that was referring before climate change, conflicts, mostly clothing for the emergency, contact barrier in africa, and also a load on some boundaries of multi affecting is low down and down. yeah, i want to explore some of those issues of conflict in a moment, but britain obviously has had the greater numbers at food banks. we've had campaigns by football, markers, rash were to be able to retain free school meals as regards food insecurity in britain. why so little about countries like britain, which is facing food insecurity level in the united states, where tonight, what 40000000 more than 40000000 because of covert will not be able to eat without

handouts from the u. s. government. yeah, but that one of those countries is that they are formal. it is same as the economy is stopped because of their locked down, but employees still get their unemployment insurance. and when they are over the years of unemployment insurance, they will get. so there's a good which is no it under real income, but it will get resources in informal economy. you don't have that. ok on the u. k . and others have been able to mobilize their foot by hands on to be able to substitute their face of the closures of a school where it gets used to me. but that has not been enough, although the depletion in those countries is not as romantic other situation we're facing the nature of asia, africa, and america. now, countries like, for example, now we're able to expand their cash transfer program anonymously. you will see that today official numbers show that. busy they have been being reviewed as, as a result of in 1900. but it will look at putting security increase. why did you

sell enough? again, if another importance of using formal economy, which in brookfield were partially middle classic on them and which are, are eating their conditions in terms of hire. not just moving into poverty and transfers where only targeted to put it through the cash transfer program that he had in place. they didn't that fact the newport curity that were more barrier when people that were to know what else to forward, you're ready. but it, because of their formality, that'd be enough. so that those point between putting security and the effect of funds for programs which shows that also targeting has been a problem in the policy being implemented. so you want to recommend to those countries where the most people are starving systems of food distribution and health insurance. i presume you don't necessarily mean private health insurance and social care insurance. you want to recommend to those countries?

what is obviously failing in the richer countries? no, i don't think what i am saying is that there are 2, we're going to want to take into account 1st. i think that you need to have better data. and we were claiming 40, so the beginning of the 19 that we need to invest in week, sorry to able to find a new hot spot operating security. because clearly the effect of the last, not a typical problem. i think only the poorest of the poor. he was going to create a new, a new, a new post, what's up with the security. and that's something that can be done. we did for several countries in africa, what the support governments. and the 2nd thing is that we need to find in the solutions, the reviews for money. for example, sometimes it's like it's a video. they chose options of label relation, which is more adjustable to that. if i'm not sure if you make the legislation more flexible and formalize those people taking into account that this analogy you can feel they're working calendar and therefore you can give them so security,

you can give them a feature. so those are the good things that which will do 1000000 discounts, interest private public doesn't have an issue, and that's not, you know, we need to learn from best practices around the world. how much say that? that's key actually the public private debate. what about the effect of us sanctions? because we heard earlier about the effect on cuba more than 30 countries, the united states sanctions, britain, sanctions, various countries were not following the washington consensus. that increased hunger, george encoded the continuing sanction, say, against venezuela or iran. and so on. so i will, in the case of, of let me separate. the 2 types of card is one is it will look up around q and we look around $84.00. in the case of katie, which to a huge political crisis because of the nation of the pricing. but okay, have you had more than 50 percent of their population already on chronic under nurses. and these have been accelerated even more. and the political instability is making things worse. in the case of it,

we look at the island estate's q for example, killa, before we'd be didn't have pieces of the nourishment. it was already there was no hunger if you ok. he apparently now have shown signs of problems 30 percent of what they think that they don't have access to currency and they are starting to face cars, which is bring in some political problems. so for sure, there are some political context of picking them and avoiding them to come back to the currency they need to measure sanctions. they're going to say at all they've gone through that adventure, so whoever, right. ok, why think some people will be surprised that your so outspoken in this report about israel restrictions are movement in palestine? how did you come to the conclusion, the restrictions on movement of people and goods are affecting food security for

children in palestine. know that they access it and the availability, so they're not wanting to access which i was reverend before, which is if i have enough income to be able to get it. but if you have enough ink and you have some income and you don't have a legal foot, that's a big problem. and that's where the restrictions of mobility are great and they cut the rates dissipation even more. because then the price is given to start with. the increase mobility, the sandra, and that is also a short trade versus a lot of other things which happen because a lot of our quotation is trade is offensive. you move foot from one location where there is no foot, you bring throat from other locations internationally. and even within the same country and obviously sanctions contribute to the stoppage of trade and food insecurity. i think that's kind of obvious. you talk about conflict, time and time again in this report. the importance of conflict during cove it do you think it helped when joe biden bombed syria and iraq just in the past few weeks

that help foods insecurity. israel of course has been bobbing syrian high. you have a yeah. i got referred to areas we have and we showing the report is confusing conflict like game and another countries in conflict, they accessories even more than the nourishment. so what we saw in the report is that when you have company and you have another that i read that we'd like, like to low downs and numbers, which can be for sure with grade that your situation is the fact that right, the more. so again, it's important because conflict is one of the major drivers of the courses which i took, right? so why didn't you recommend any recommendation list the end of the arms trade with britain, of course is supplying weaponry falling on yemen. you have a big section on yemen. why is that not your, these are report better requirements integrating too many thought in development and building 41 actually mean. yeah,

but it is not that report about about arms and he's not that report about the results and report looking at what we can do in our experience when we work in conflict on we can find mechanisms through linking food and trying to increase where we can have these quantities which are because of all the political reasons in a complex situation. and you definitely expect 5 to 7000000 more children with stunted growth by the food insecurity situation exacerbated by corona virus, and people wasting up to 40000000 more. what do you mean? wasting 40000000 more? june 20, 202030. so there will be a significant increase of those 2 indicators which are on the nourishment indicators. and that's why we need to try to tackle and try to reverse. so chronic on the north main is one dimension. wasting is when you have a problem, all right, for age or weight for age. so, so we need to look at those other indicators because then you want to look at all the forms of minimal corrosion that we're just finally,

is it difficult being there at the f a o, what's the criticism to your face when you come up with reports like this, you are at the well, bank yourself so often blamed by many in the global south for creating the food insecurity that you write of in this report. no, i think there are 2 different impacts of the world bank, the money lending institution for development. my job there was to work on the important right to, to facilitate res lending so that we can reduce forward the way the young here is a different job is trying to bring everything and availability of information so that we can thing that can support companies to change their policies to reduce that cheaper hunger. so, but that requires a lot of strength and information and that's what the report, right? so green, we are very open in the formation we provide. we are equally base and we make all our data public. so we are one of the institutions where all the data that we publish, i think country level is made public and people can the lowest through ours. but so

i think that's like push a role because we have to validate the data that we and my life and we call it and we normally have one program, what i want indicate. so i think we've come up with a set of information that has that also understand the ones that are facing and hope that we can create a formation and change what you, what we want in as you do at this point. maxima, tara, thank you. a pleasure, massive of the show will be back on wednesday. i had a meeting in italy of june, 20 environment in energy ministers with the immediate future survival of humanity on the table until then keep in touch with social media and let us know what you think or who you think is to blame for food and security in cuba ah ah, join me every 1st day on the alec salmon show and i'll be speaking to guess in the

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