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i was catching up on way to getting you don't need it. we'll take the whole safe in one. i was 5 right here in his queue up to speed on the morning headlines. join us again that i the i hello and welcome to stop there. all things considered peter real about russian president vladimir putin has penned a long article on russia and ukraine. needless to say, it is evoked a lot of responses. we tell you why this article is important. also so long angle of merkel. germany's long serving chancellor. what will be her lasting legacy? ah,

the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan semi raleigh in budapest. he's a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob, which is a political adolescent editor. if you know me, internet media project or gentleman cross talk roles and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to george in budapest, while george russia always seems to be in the news one way or another. but it's an, it isn't a very different way this time. vladimir putin, the russian president pen to very, very long article. a very studied article i would say about the relationship that russia has with ukraine now. and it's a, it's that the kremlin dot r u website. it's in english, ukrainian, and of course, russian, it is an enormous outcry and discussion and obviously criticism here. why did he

write this article? what's it about? and who was directed to go ahead? well, i think the reason he wrote the article is that he is very concerned about the recent development of the, particularly since the my down of 2014 mainly the use of ukraine as a battering ram against russia. there's no sign of a beating, whoever is in the white house is continued to be used and he wants to place in his story context. this has gone on for quite a long time. russia and ukraine. russians in the ukrainian people all want people argue that before and but however, there have been times when outside powers have sought to separate the russians in ukrainians, and particularly to use the ukrainian or russian. you mention the poles unethical.

went on to live, the big one, which is austria, hungary, and german and upper best. remember, last year, 100 german essentially created ukraine in the world. and what's happening now is a continuation of this effort. and he really emphasizes again and again as he has done the pool that he will not tolerate what nato's use of ukraine as basically a forward base from which to launch tactful, subvert russia. and that's really what he's he's concerned with is just simply rational, will not accept this use of ukraine by nature regard that as an existential threat . ma, what was the direct to because, you know, there is a number of theories out there. i mean, i think there are 3, i think it was directed to the, obviously the russian people. it was also directed to russians within the sovereign

ukraine right now. and also, i think it's ga, mentioned here as a signal to the west. the ukraine as very special significance, the russian national security and certain things will not be tolerated. go ahead. i think it was primarily written for the people of your brain at lunch. not only irrational, but also radiance will also suffer because of this terrible situation. i don't think, would you expect that any kind of reception, any kind of constraint is reception from? do you bring in government? he actually said right before i can call that ukrainian people are not hostile to russia. ukrainian leadership. now unfortunately, it's certainly foster russia and they're very responsible, 18 years or president landscape to this article shows that which was not from, you know, just you just said i will read it might have time. and he,

he drove something about, you know, russians and ukrainians, being brothers. he drove about kind an adult and he said, no, i see mr. fortune is wasting his time on. instead of meeting me though, basically different than what he had to say when he was campaigning. for the ukrainian presidency has been the very different thing. well, your shuttle is only asking this seems expectations because everyone knew that he was a russian speaker. i mean, he is coming to cobb, he's company made money on jokes in russian they almost never performed in ukrainian. and people expected him because he is from ukraine from rock. people expected him to be sensitive to the sentiments, always ukrainians. but it's not the 1st time that it's happened. so i mean, coach my problem is to make russian official language in ukraine. i mean the 2nd

official language and he received a he is electorate in the east. 1 after that, basically young core, which promised the same and he didn't do anything almost thing and to, to fulfill the expectations of here's electra so that fans juliana is not very different from the previous president. but that, you know, the bad side with the was i do it is the walk in teams. and i think food can wait until writing this article where he basically says the russians and you bring people, he has been waging because he hoped that these feeling the sentiment would express itself in ukraine. but now when you have a drink calling in language rules in ukraine, basically prohibiting the public use of russian language. when all the movies have to be dogged and ukrainian. imagine, you know, you live in canada and then some assess. first, you can't watch american movies for the usa,

which say something good about police. and on the 2nd all the movies strong, the usa will be docked by our actors with a thief. so awesome, excellent. no. how would people, when kind of re, it's a prejudice and you know, after 5 years, which is finally decided, it was time to speak out and you know what, what, what i, what i find very interesting is that, okay, would you said that you agree in some direction, so on people and immediately the reaction in the west was like, oh this is a sign of a period is this is so dangerous, you know, mrs. merkel met by them in washington. you know, last week. and she and they said the chinese and me and rush isn't enemies, and this is not dangerous. this is local style. you know, basically, you know, by the said that we will not allow china to undermine all been free society, which open free society did shine the destroy the united states. and you will buy

subordinate, co in 2014, destroyed and open democratic society of ukraine. you know, if it is no longer your credit is suffering and they will tell you, and these people never apologized for that course they never do in georgia. what i think is very interesting here is that let me approach with, with great detail and a lot of research in time. and i've been told we actually wrote it to but this is a intra family issue that is talking about here. when you look at, when you look at western policymakers, i think we from nato countries, there interesting you, crane or ukrainian is scant best because your brain is from, from the western perspective, is a cudgel and burn the russians. i mean, i've always told this people, for many russians, ukraine is not a foreign policy issue. it's a domestic policy issue because of the familial relations they have people's

relationship to the dom bout and even further into the a hander land of ukraine. and that's why it is so very important to russian for the west. it's just an idea. it's a policy. it's a go ahead. yeah, that's exactly the point. and that's a point that makes the gain of the game in this article that the western house, and he says the western part of the century run. you great. i mean, ukraine doesn't be have any sober and it gets mostly because it is run out of washington and brussels their own. they, interesting ukraine is the way of just pushing russia to the east of eliminating all russian influence out of europe altogether. which is why they're also interested in bella ropes. i mean, what was the scenario that they played out in 2014, in, in my dance, they want to play out the bellows, the bellows. ukraine will be incorporated within the so the need so you can

and russia will be just gone and that's the job to go. so they have no interest at all in your great approach. and the evidence of that is that, look at the disaster. ukraine has experience just one of the 14th. i mean they last year as you said in this article, it doesn't look to me like interested in getting dumbass back, so they're almost lost the dumbass as well native and the year care less. i mean, let's be covering today if they really, really, really cared. they would bring it into the alliance like, but it wouldn't be because of the savings of the, of ukrainian people. and it's democratic experience. and when they call it the, the revolution of dignity, you know, but they don't, they in that is really, that's the answer. it has nothing to do with ukraine. what do you mean? because it seems to me again, if it was really they had interest in ukraine. i mean, they never had interest in the people of yugoslavia that had nothing to do with it

. okay. they don't care about the people in syria, but they're there. they don't care about the people in iraq, but they stayed there and then they don't care about the people about began to said and there are still some there. want to stay there or find a way to stay there. again, these are all countries go ahead. well, i don't know, maybe they deceive themselves. i mean that the nation build us in washington. maybe they don't. they don't want to have good results. but look, look at the fruit. ok. bushnell is now even worse than indeed in the dice, or what kind of florida, i mean, the privatization will, they do faster? you can only use off the area. you know, ukraine in the 1st year after my don, it's g d b. i mean big school crania and don't boss, but the g d p, all the areas which remained ukrainian and this is 97 percent of the ukrainian territory. the g d p fell almost 10 percent because ukraine cob all was almost always economic to russia. it left their free trade zone with russia embrace the

european union. european union did not allow them to do its markets. so it's a tragedy yet, but also geopolitically. i think joe, politically, it's a lucy tree for everyone in the national interest. you don't need my pencil, wrote an article, had learned how to break the code to read walk and ukraine, and the petro writes, and that basically it rushes great shift eastward as he calls, i mean, embrace in china and get him called katrina. it was an enormous bush when, when the last undermined young orange, and basically live, always paid to speak, made ukraine and russia by, by the way, wouldn't article, if you look at that, just do it. he says that we agree that ukraine is a sovereign state. by the way, i have to a little bit argue with, with the georgia. i think austria hungary not create ukraine. i mean,

even push controls about your grade in the early 19th century, but they certainly did create militant anti ration. ukrainian nation. that identity did not exist in the ninety's, but they created it as an independence. they didn't. ok, i mean, anyway, there was a short period after that, lucian, when the ukraine was ruled by you, nationalists, identity. i mean, the type over a 1000000 to bring in there says yes, it was created by, by hundreds and basically said that your grade isn't the but then we don't want to be russia. we won't accept or continue our discussion on some real estate with the the, the the

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back to cross topler. all things are considered. peter labelle, this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real names. the let's go back to georgia in budapest. well, england merkel, georgia is finally finally leaving the political stage. you know, i have to admit, i had a lot more hope for her in the beginning, mostly for the reason that she comes from eastern germany and i now you play in retrospect, i'll be honest with you. thought that she could be more of a bridge, a beach for between east and west, and i was been proven disastrously wrong. ok. she's been in power along time. and i think she leaves with a pretty scanty legacy about a negative one. go ahead. george burst at the legacy really what she's been about is just staying in power,

not making any decisions and trying to have it both ways of old times. so she goes to. 2 washington law trip to washington. 5 and sign a washington declaration with joe biden, which others, the usual nato piety is about democracy and so on. but basically, what most important, that, that name is the call of european security that she actually is here. and then she has the insolence to demand that russia continue to provide gas via the ukraine route. and so no, no, trying to nothing to do with the use of ukraine as a natural gas. i mean, you know, americans are ignorant about all of this. they were like, it was germany that had went to the russians and said, we want this stream to

a pipeline under the baltic because we are worried about the security of the actual german industry, which is basically the power that powerful german economy based on x. well, it doesn't have secure energy, it's in a lot of trouble. now, she says, well, you know, we're going to hold the russians feed to the fire. well, germany is not in any position to tell the russians, you know, where, where and how they get, just send an actual guess. i mean, so, so, i mean, but of muslim she does list. so i know trying to, i mean, she goes off to washington and the rates, the russians are typical of much chancellor, when there was the legal change of government in she didn't say a word. did she ok. i mean, that is why germany wanted pipelines because of e u. nato policy, that just stabilized ukraine that made

a different trans that necessary for joe. so i think that is really one of the most of the greatest failings of her chancellor's hip. i mean, she botched the ukraine policy. she's trying to save energy policy and it's not germany. if european why. ok, so the most again, i thought she came in with great hope and it's this kind of a, a whimper as she goes out the door. go ahead. well i, unfortunately i didn't have the same high expectations for her in 2005 when she came to power because i speak german and i followed the story. and for 1003, when i get a truck that had the courage to refuse to go to iraq and medical was against it. you know, just look at the article, look at her speech and the bone to start. she said, well, i mean she's kind of so she says something like, we have to stay loyal to all american. read your weiss, well, you know,

translation to normal human language, the math. we had to go that we had to go with them just like the old days. you know, the breeders did. and that would have been a disaster for drugs. so i didn't speak patients for her when she came to power into 1005, but they disaster the food was beyond anything. i would imagine it was. look, what was, you know, europe when she came to power. there were some meetings between russia and the you you know, that they quoted me was developed and no one dream daughters had night mass about degree crisis, which she handled terribly. you know, basically dispossession a lot of private the job had money in on their bank accounts. in cyprus, at other places, greece, no one could imagine a war and you or in eastern europe. and let's face it. she only did not say what

she actually promoted the mind on her foreign minister of esther male. it came and spoke to the so called protest us, who killed 38th ukrainian policeman in the process of this. so cool that last, that actually for almost 5 months, between 20152014 nico at petro and his article, i think you're very right. you're right that the west repudiated that the peaceful condition of power which was agreed and which was signed on the 22nd of february, 2014. immediately after it became clear that critical had a chance to seize total control. the west forgot about the supreme it was medical was the 1st to forget. it was her foreign minister. now the president of germany found while she signed this, she guaranteed this agreement between young that position. and now the western media pretense, it doesn't remember, it portion was said,

but they lost the paper. you know, they were when he was asked to produce this document, which people saw signed on television. you know, we just lost it, but i can find that it's the paper. i mean go back to georgia, 2015. they opened the doors, the immigration to europe at that is, i think that is really the hallmark of history 100 years. now remember her that yes because of course it was the policy an absolute disaster in itself. but. 2 he led directly to the breast, and i mean, i have not been, she hadn't opened the door. the british was none of them to leave you. and that was a huge calamity for you because it helped fuel the orbit, who hunger. now, all of the europeans, a little tearing their hair, all this horrible, horrible person, you know, creative, you know, he sees on this issue. he was always the nationalist, but this was, that was,

you know, meat and drink room with him is the things is that she lives every calamity. i mean, she bungled. also leave the energy policy because of the book. she mostly got to close down all the sort of the nuclear power plant. she said, okay, we're going to get rid of all the fossil fuel energy, the energy, which is one of the reasons why you move for this not seem to. and now she essentially goes and blames the russians for something that she did. but the strange thing is, is that she has the viable these years. and there you can see the something fundamentally wrong in germany. this, this was the some, the placid complacency, like that just wise and goes on and on in georgia. seems to me it's really interesting and we have the mantra for the establishment of nato, after the 2nd world war and the beginning of the cold war as they keep the americans in the germans down in the russians. us. she is. that embodies that. but

it's not necessarily in the national interest of germany or even europe in my mind, me. and so for me, it's a spend force and it's getting negative returns, except for, you know, people making money off of this in western journalism and think tanks and things like that. i mean it's, it's a spent force. it's showing, it's not it's not generating any positive returns, say with you george, go ahead. yeah, that's it. and we now look hopefully, well, maybe the next person in away from michael. but chances are the next book will be very much like michael will try to have it both ways. well, you know, we, we need good relations. russia with stability, europe. we need this to stay with the american. so that kind of revolution follows the of a demon reverse with gal schroeder, i make a short of this week to have some fresh ideas that that's not going to happen. i mean, the game, you know, whoever makes man in is just going to be yeah, yeah let's, let's the next in line speaking,

the next person i deemed you and i have talked at great length about how mediocre europe's political class is. my think the anglo merkel is the queen, mother of the mediocrity that we see in the of the political class. go ahead. if you want me to cut the long story short, what i dislike about what was the worst thing about her? she is a real alter liberal. she speaks to that very georgian, that explains all of her favorites. i mean, the look at the political scene in germany when she came to borrowing 2005. no one could imagine that radical part is when she was a 2 party system. when the liberals between them, you know, the christian democrats at social numbers, it looked like it would continue. now we have the furniture for germany, which obviously reflects billions of many people in germany, especially good relations with russia and beulah defensive rope on angel. but the

party has been sidelined, i mean morocco was the 1st time to say that these people are never going to have any influence on politics whatsoever. so she, she basically, she's a division figure, she's the hillary clinton over on germany. that sounds, but the other things that george just mentioned, they're also variable, and she was the motor of sanctions against russia that were in post after 2014 crisis in you, in ukraine. they already cost europe, at least $100000000.00 euros. they want to post more because they keep exchanging these sanctions and during your meetings with the buy them the she, she can keep saying that sanctions need to stay. why should something that doesn't produce and you pointed to, why should state, you know, and also i think she played a very negative role. you know,

i represent, you're told that i joined your when trump warning tonight, the states as given, you know, the german news, right? you know, merkel became a sort of leader of the free world because she was so ideal or you are and now. 2 when you read the same way though she spent for mental need her, she wants to have no store seemed to. she had been, we know by them is the lead or the so i don't just croy is just dismissal people. even those who serve that your job, but i would contest would be my had to say, you know, this can kind of purity your i think that disc complete mediocrity all over the place. muddling through and missed opportunities left and right and create and change to the political landscape of germany a while when deem is absolutely right. we have people contesting this ideology and the, the establishment. and that's all because of merkel over the last 30 seconds. got

a huge or there's always been an opportunity for your 2000 independent roll between the united states and russia. and, you know, there have been people like rolling on occasion before when they did that you know, the role to quash, anything like that. and actually europe into just a slave of the united states. okay. i guess i think that will be her legacy or german. that's all the time we have. want to take my guess here in moscow and in budapest, i don't want to think our viewers for watching us here in our tc. you next time. remember across the the me

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