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me, the president joe biden invoke civil war parallels with greater frequency. this is ominous and dangerous. unfortunately, it would seem, this is how the major political parties and the media view, the state of our politics in a war, there are casualties and defeat in the culture. wars can one side bank and the other. oh right now, there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or obese. it's profitable to sell food that is 20 and sugary and the under the victim is not at the individual level. it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never

change as obesity epidemic, that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment, ah, what's driving the mac? it's corporate, me. ah, [000:00:00;00] the ah, i'm absent or tennessee, we're getting underground from britain in the midst of johnson's unique freedom. de corona virus experiments accused by doctors of creating

a breeding ground for new variance coming up of the show is israeli software. bugging your phone, the editor in chief of wiki leaks, which 1st exposed spyware on android and apple phones tells us what we should do. what it means for journalism and updates us on the usa is collapsing espionage case against julian assad, detained here in london. and did you make money? other coven, we investigate how leads have made billions from the global corona virus pandemic. alyssa, more coming up in today's going underground, but 1st this week sort of the mainstream media so called, collectively wring their hands about private surveillance companies of revelations about the alleged widespread reach of the so called pegasus spyware. developed by israeli surveillance from n s o group, the delayed reaction from the media could arguably be linked to the evenings ation of where helix founded julian assigned to, according to the u. n. a still being tortured in h. m. p. bell marsh in london. but is this the latest example of what we're healing, korean exposing, were private surveillance for a decade. joining me now from reykjavik in iceland is where helix editor in chief

christian robinson. christian, thanks so much for coming on. i'll get to whether i should throw my phone away in a 2nd and to your jail, co founder julian assange in a moment. but what do you make of all these journalists suddenly talking about an a . so group, when, when you, when you were doing this, i don't know a decade ago, was it? yeah, i mean, we did to point out the seriousness of this business to 10 years, almost 5 years. but i mean, i'm not going to say i'm important story and now i mean they do have evidence of wrongdoing. however, i mean, for those who have been following the industry for years and years and know that actually on december 1st, 2011, we can publish internal documents, exposing the incredible scope of over the,

the privatized spike companies and the servers they were offering to this particular jeans and targeting activities and political opponents, and i'm general. so at that time, actually if you go to the website website, we can resort, or you can reflect on what must be described. there was exactly the same things that we have come to the surface and getting attention in 2011. when the duty on a silence was launching this publication. another press conference at city university in that story got very little fraction that trivia. and i was very surprised at the time because it was such a strong revelation. strong story, but it has taken 10 years now to maybe read pollution. maybe people are now ready to upset the fact that these are spy tools that they can be carrying. but

it does come as a surprise to, to us we can do that, chris, and i better just ask you, what should we do? you presume? here in a person of interest to a certain government. so i know there's a case in spain about the surveillance by ca, linked companies of jeffrey robinson, q c. talking to julian, you have a phone there. how frightened you? i mean, edward snowden, who will you, with any help to get to safety and moscow said, take your same cut out when you tell what when you want total privacy. i mean, is that what we're supposed to do? you have to always expect that your, your phone has been meddled and i have been it's very difficult to detect think than coordinate people and it's not that easy to see. actually years ago, 11 expert in the field told me, well, i mean,

the only symbol that you can sort of the read into that your phone has been tampered with is the fact that the battery will die and go down very quick. that means that somebody is basically using a remote to your, your, your, your phone, your device spying to when i was doing regular reporting. remember hearing about how the drug dealers where operating with the old mobile phones when they were meeting. because they were afraid of being under surveillance by police, they will put their phones denton, the freezer that had the discussion. so you should simply always assume that this is basically taking away your privacy and security, or nobody is the cure. in today's world, we just live in that environment now. so group has given us a statement, they've been talking about this and they say, and this group is a life on

a life saving mission. and the company will faithfully execute this mission. undeterred, despite any and all continued attempts to discredited on false grounds, that's what the israeli company is saying. they used to break a p t. affiliate sex and drug trafficking rings. nothing to do with attacking new york times journalists and journalists from you know, reuters in the economist, lifesaving mission. anyone who's lives, others in the painters that are abusing this technology to go up to the political opponents. so do not live in some distance activities. we have no prob, i mean, roof about this and, and i should also say pension funds apparently here in britain invest in n s. so, so does that mean in capitalist countries where investing, i mean, we're paying our tax. you see that go into the military industrial complex and also

private pension funds are investing in a so group. i mean i, we all paying for our own we are, it's just giving that must understand. there's only one company of many. i mean, 10 years ago we pointed out this was a multi 1000000000 dollar industry. we were calling out the pointing out the fact that this had to be regulated just the weapons industry. it, nobody listens at that time. so it is unregulated and can easily be weaponized or we are calling this company, let's call it pull. what it really is. i mean, these are intelligence services and you know, and tend to say that we should call them non state hostile intelligence services. and the hostility is against the individuals against privacy and against the fund amendments of our democracy, democratic society. yeah, i mean they say that their clients love,

but there's another way of approaching this story. the 50000 phone numbers which n s o says is the equivalent of opening the wide pages and choosing these numbers randomly. it is that a lot of these media groups, they've been accused of being involved in the government, lies that get nato nations into wars. we leaks not appealing for the very information that may have been the may have been got through. and so pegasus spyware. so that we can find out the links between the journalist and so go mainstream media and the military industrial complex. the persuade, their populations into wars that killed wound or displaced tens of millions of people. i'm not going to encourage buying on journalists and all. i think it's disgusting practice, but it has been going on for quite a long time. you pointed out to the beginning, the lawyers had inspired or gone by

a private contractor. so could security company out of spain in the country, an embassy when julian massage was there. but on top of that, when there was a lot of journalists that came to visit julia, we had several journals with spider by this company, and including because they had to leave their phones with this company. for certainly they were used as infiltrated mist, malware and information was expected from that case because he's in spain. obviously we don't encourage buying on this either. but you know that the u. k. god, you and your old media partner doesn't appear to be giving much prominence. to a key witness in the trial here in london, one of the key witnesses for the united states government admitting he was lying about all his allegations. why do you think the guardian is not interested in that report, or any of the publications that are listed in this beggars a spyware report?

i haven't seen reuters news flash that the most famous journalist in the world. the key witness against him has admitted his line. well, it has little traction so far. i know that, you know, some of the major mainstream needed to doing without working on stories based on that. i just had that from the, the, the inverse of journalists where she broke her story. so let's give a little bit of time. it's a complicated story, but i mean, the essence of it is we, we kind of get time, can we? because there's a heat wave here in london, i don't know what the temperatures are in bell marsh. i don't know what the covert situation is, and bell much the united nation special rogers repeatedly meet on this program. and the british start is being involved in torture. there is no time is that you're right must be free to mediately that it is. it is absurd that he is sitting in prison after the victory in court and generally for it . it's absolutely absurd that he would be sent back to the prison,

which is creating the condition which was underlying the decision by the judge to actually been my explanation. and talking about procedure, i mean, i'm trying to point out, i mean, where on earth somebody sit in a jail for 6 months plus a wiley high court is coming to the decision whether to allow an appeal or not 6 months and a half a year. that's, that's absurd. it's a human rights violation that we would be condemning and any other country. a new revelation of blowing such a hole in the narrative by the americans in the entire it's cited in the on numerous occasions in the judge rates are ruling on january 4th. which means basically that the united states government was misleading a u. k. court. that's very syringe. ok, well the news here in britain is notes about that. in fact,

the world global mainstream news had time to talk about jeff bezos going to space. that's a much more important story than the daughter of the most famous publisher in the world. maybe amazon quick to shut down a w s. their web services system for an s. so the israeli pegasus system, after having international started talking about all this spyware. great success, then, no problem. i know that we have leaks of often talked about amazon's close links to the intelligence services. i mean, that's so that's so that should not be the end of it. i mean, there must be an outcry in the, in the public. and as we've said for 10 years, and i was doing the trans pointed out 10 years ago, i mean, the nice it needs to be a regulation of industry. ok, i'm sure amazon, it's just an online bookshop. obviously, i just, finally, i mean, you know, time and time again, those defending wiki leaks of about the us constitution about norms,

international norms. the secretary pretty battelle year who she was just grace previously actually for di as to israel. she has got a consultation baby here, the home office on the official secrets act that some say make, makes leaks criminal. i mean we helix has always said, look, we're doing what journalists are supposed to do, you know, watergate kind of things. what do you make of the possibility that governments may say, i know there's a simple way to avoid the kind of legal problems that they're having to try and imprison, assigns for 175 years, make the kind of thing, the wiki likes to illegal, per se, april, all right, well let me that is exactly what the is the essence of the incitement against julian basically criminalizing journalists, and what should be of interest to people in britain is back. during the tradition hearing, we saw an attempt to read the fine or,

or defined the official secrets in the same manner. so as to just look, sample is being sucked because it has to be a jewel criminality. it has before you last time somebody, what is a lead? indictment has to be a crime in the u. k. so basically what, what the, what was merging out of the extradition process was a redefinition of mostly journalistic alignment. and basically yes for publishing and classified information coming from a li is a crime. so that's kramer. legend journalism, by remote there say in the question, robertson, thank you. and as i said in a so group has said the statement to us that there is no link between the 50000 numbers do. and this group of pegasus and their technology was not associated in

any way with the murder. would you mark shoji and that full statement can be found online or below this video? if you're watching on youtube after the break, forget the cayman islands or panama co founder, the tax justice network tells us why the u. k. in the us talk the leader board for the best off shore attack savings in the world. all this more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground come back while increasing numbers. they've been finding it difficult to feed themselves in the u. k. a u. s. during the global karone of ours pandemic, some of the, in raking in the cache is here in britain, 130000 have been killed by cove it. how? so joining me now from cambridge here is the co founder of the tax justice network and tax research u. k. director professor richard murphy. thanks so much richard for coming on. so we know that there was a scandal over the weekend about prime minister barak johnson exempting himself from isolation. we've got the health secretary, obviously width cove, it and we got a lot of stuff at the moment about the former prime minister david cameron's

lobbying allegations. how corrupt has the johnson governments response to corona virus? been in your estimation until this government came along. i had never dad call a u. k. government corrupt who was busy and that was a pretty i'm well, i think today because it was got to be pretty risky with regard to the locals. frankly, i don't think anyone has any concern about coding this government crop now because the evidence today, but whelming this government is pursuing its business in a fashion that is corrupted, favoring its own ministers. on some occasions with contracts, mat hancock got a contract from his own department from which he benefited something which by any reasonable definition of corruption might be involved in anti corruption campaign. in some way, for 2 decades, anyone would say is unacceptable. we see for the ministers lobby in ways of practically would be unacceptable in many countries, we see johnson frankly distorting the truth telling,

lies slowly without apparently any concern knowing that he'll be found out how you appear to be indifferent to the consequences. so this is a government that is, in my opinion, absolutely rotten to the call that have absolutely no shred of credibility and which is bluntly pursuing policies now, which show that it is completely indifferent to the well being of the people in the u. k. they are playing games with people in this country, putting their lines of risk, putting the lives of young people in particular risk dammit, my children, my late teens and 20 children at risk because they're not for the vaccinated because it wants to do something which is often the reckless in terms of the kind of policy i, i find it hard to contain my anger with regard to this government because i think a reasonable person should be angry with this government was, you know, bars trans denies, not only the dominic cummings is top advisors allegations disgraced former health secretary mat hancock after allegations about his mistress and lobbying denies all

wrong doing as does the former prime minister on the former prime minister. we've got to, we went to the treasury committee saying he did absolutely nothing wrong sending messages to ministers after leaving the house of parliament, it seems on behalf of greenfield capital, which made loans of 350000000 to liberty steel which employs $3000.00 workers. i mean, why would the treasury committee itself say, you know, cameron is innocent? is a, this isn't corruption, you've been cleared. well, i bank with the treasury committee. why with the treasury commit to do this? well, a because it has a set the parking georgie, frankly, to our parliament. all parliamentarians know that there is nothing they can do to challenge the government with the atc for georgie. however, elected by a minority of people in the new pay, we must always remember that which is the consequence of having

a 1st call supposed to electro system. which is to be unfit for purpose. we give a government like this one, a massive majority, which led to exonerate itself and blame for what it's done. exonerate previous 5 minutes. this the blame for what they don't applies the official whitewash to the action, but which action is basically representing a minority of people in minority. but as you know, culture of ours, johnson more popular than ever. and that's after we heard that the sleep watch dog is going to have one of his old bullying. didn't friends on the bullying? didn't club famous for? well, the allegations are, they used to burn 50 pound notes in front of the homeless people. what was your reaction to that, sir? as to grand chair of the committee, the savage in public life has his pathetic and inappropriate it is. i mean, what else? let's say specific an inappropriate we would have wanting a chump, a person who has, let's be honest, being

a member of an organization which clearly works on the basis of the bias within society. the billing thing club was set up to celebrate the privilege, and frankly, the abuse, the privilege provide the to deliver now its apparent being appointed to look at sleep in society. i do not think that is a clear and objective appointment to name how she lives would think was fair and appropriate. so i will use those measures was if i can describe this appointment, but it is clearly not appropriate. and this is the whole thing that we're saying within the capture of the processes of government by ok, a party, if you still the most popular in the u. k, which does not reflect the majority interest. now my suggestion is that we're going to see significant change in popularity. concert tonight in the u. k is never going to probably enjoy support of less than 30 percent of the electorate. that just seems to be it's hard core support. and that would never get to majority and comment. once we see the current kind of

a crisis develop and you've got to read the sensible epidemiologist. so an existence in the u. k. the people on independence age for example, look at their forecasts and caveat forecasts. i mean, i'm used to looking for cost and statistical data, and i know that a full cost is not a certainty, but look at all the range forecasts. and what we're seeing is that we're going to be hundreds of thousands of people getting it every day. we get significant rise in hospitalization, we all go to see a lot of people die over the course of the rest of this year. almost certainly within weeks we hope to see the country back in lot that and again because that is the only way we will. i mean, you know, you're not epidemiologist but apparently that is good for the economy. but my point is that once all those things, once these reverses happen, once johnson is found out from the most cool, absolute promise you may be, it's over locked down. let's finish. we've got freedom. i think we're going to see a significant change this popular actually, every government comes to the point where it's loc chrome. okay, all right,

well we'll see because some people are going to say that actually stano who hasn't really opposed this government to time and time again. that's the opposition for international views and actually between storm and john. so they might have a majority even on 1st post post. what might i mean? but let's come to selma then. i mean, i'm pretty cool. it's donna, i don't see why i shouldn't be like many. i really would like to know what the lead to the opposition is doing because he doesn't appear to be opposing the government to the fact. it will be sure that he might like to read the job title. it is lead of the opposition, which require to be actually stand up. and now for us, johnson likes to claim that that's unpacked, realty, to oppose the government. but actually, when this government is clearly failings, thomas should be offering. it'll tell that it's offering alternatives to go to this core issue a candid offering and all times division of the society that we want in the u. k. one, where our decent public service is where the coffee from the warehouse ation is fair . and when, for example, at this very moment, there's discussion on social care,

how to fund care for the elderly in the u. k. and the proposal that we're hearing from the government is that this may well be an extra tax on those who are chorused in the economy. and those who are youngest in fighting as this government so often does pensions between the have, the elderly and large, as i have said, that you can call me and i have not the young and in fighting picture between the rich and the pool. we should at this very moment be actually imposing taxes on wealth in the u. k. obviously, i mean, i'm sure those in the lead to watching this will say jeremy corbin did off of that and it was rejected at the ballot box. but that's go to our international view, as i just said to lack of, there was an election. the international view is especially the rich ones watching . why do you think britain is one of the greatest tax havens in the world? now that's something to be proud of. surely, i've written 2 books on tax havens and i've also this opinion that britain is now one of the biggest tax savings in the world. and i will give you the explanation in

a few numbers. there are 4700000000 companies in the u. k. we can't explain why a population size need so many companies the tax so far. if he's only off the tax returns from too many of those companies and half of the the rest say we are not trading, please do not trouble us by asking for a tax return. and then the u. k. we say, yeah, that's all right. we won't ask you for information of the ones that do submitted termination, a significant number say they have no profits and the number of investigations is tiny. so if you want to set up a company somewhere, which is not going to make displeasure, come to the u. k. pay 15 pounds for your company. signed no physical documents to do so, provide no proof of identity, which you would have to do. so in any the recognized fact based in the well form your company trade for a while and then get rid of it. and literally company house in the u. k. will get rid of your company on payment of 10 pounds and a declaration that is never traded. whether that is true or not. so this is the

place which provides the greatest opportunity for tax cheats in the world. now, we should be deeply ashamed of that and the power will not. i don't understand why we want to undermine our own economy by providing the opportunity to tax cheats to thrive within it, to provide the people of many other countries to what the cheat taxes in their own country is the opportunity to do so. but frankly, it is easier to pull the company. it is easy to t t t taxes if that's your goal using a u. k. healthy. now that a company, a jersey, the man came in british regina is almost whatever you like tonight. ok, this isn't an advert for infants for the rich. i was just thinking, but i mean could even cohen the vaccine companies were doing there apparently is going to switzerland in delaware. we were presenting it as a britain is a new delaware, but install this joe biden, after all his going for this global corporate tax rate, show us celebrating that, johnny ellen,

announcing the global minimum corporation tax. or will it just encourage companies to go to countries that don't have it? i do celebrate this deal. is it perfect? no. it better than anything i could have imagined 7 months ago when you might remember, we had a president trumped in the white house. this was going to be impossible at that time. now we're talking about the possibility of actually having a us lead, but international coalition of a $130.00 nation states agreeing to set up a minimum global tax rate that 50 percent now. barrel cap. yes. caveat thought the applies to some very large companies. it is going to by large pay the additional taxes to countries like the usa and the u. k. and not to develop countries of the world that may well need that money more than you can. the us, they do right now take the time when they are under stress as well,

and measures in this be able to tackle the tech companies look to be pretty how hot it is better than no deal in terms of moral leadership. biden is providing some here, so i've got to congratulate you on that. i've got to say that this is a step in the right direction. that are big flaws. one of the very flaws in this is that it is dependent upon the quality of the accounting information provided by these companies. and i am a professional child accountant amongst the various roles i play. and i am well aware of the game that my profession plays and the open unity that they take to manipulate numbers to suit their purposes, shall i, would you like that? and this could be a game that she's now going to be played. that companies will be restating reorienting, which they provide for their accounts to try to avoid the tax bills that they should be. i'm worried about that there is still campaigning to do. the door is not

closed on this deal as yet. so that could be reform. i'm certainly putting quite a lot of african seeing whether we can improve it between now and october, when the opportunity closes. reservation you have that's it for the show will be back on saturday to yesterday. since for us, johnson became the prime minister, the u. k. following the resignation of theresa may the 2nd consecutive resignation of a prime minister in the past 5 years after she failed to deliver breakfast until then keep it as social media. and let us know if you think there needs to be a stronger track down on tax havens. the julian from the worst flooding in china in a 1000 years. it's called death wiped out the transport infrastructure region and even sparked it's huge of loss aluminum. the situation is said to be getting worse, nobody suggesting that, i'm sorry,