[000:00:00;00] ah ah we welcome to cross talk there. all things considered in peter bill. the binding ministration tells us the world faces the star, the choice between democracy and authoritarianism. is this make any sense? the balance of power in the world system is moving to multiple r t, and it's not defined by ideal logical preferences. dangerously. washington continues to claim it has the right to define what is the legitimate world worker. i

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, or as a gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob. she's a political analyst and editor, it's me, internet media project, gentleman cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want. appreciate it. okay, let's go to your 1st in budapest year. it's really quite interesting out by the ministration, endlessly talked about diversity, diversity diversity, and we see it in their politics domestically and now we see it. since they had been to the administration pushing diversity into the international system. which actually is really quite contradictory because diversity, it least nominally, is about having differences. but i think what we see with the bio ministration is an extreme form of universalism, and they're covering it up under diversity because it's either or, i mean, it isn't returned to the cold board, but we are returning to

a cold war paradigm. it is democracy versus authoritarianism and in that ideological minds and it kind of makes sense. but in the real world, it doesn't make any sense at all. go ahead. george. it doesn't make any sense. so there is really the difference between the sort of diversity at home and the superficial difference. because when the bite administration and ologist talk about diversity, they don't actually really mean views and opinions. they mean they've got a monolithic view of the world. they mean, you know, to be superficial attributes, you know, the color of the skin, what gender, you are with the sexual orientation it. but that's just the monolithic. well, you want to get into the bike ministration. you have to subscribe to a certain set of doctrines. so they're not going to have a bus, the bus to abuse that in the administrator. and i think that now they look on the

well, that the rest of the world have to follow this monolithic, logical mindset. now course it's bringing them into compensation of his name with the rival. great. but it's also bringing them into conversation with countries that normally would be on their side. so when the obama administration goes to obama, so when to kenya was the end of his administration. he started lecturing them about gay rights, so he was getting ready to welcome its favorite song. you know, the most, the most famous canyon in the well and what is the, there he goes to start lecturing them about agonized, like, and you know, when i think the right now when the bible was, you just a very involved in this vision is getting it up in call with countries that

nominally on their side, on the re, poland, to the great, great freedom fighters against communism, the early please be worshiped during the call. they got st. trend and now they demonized. why? because then subscribing to the western ideological moment. i lost count the number of times george use the word side, meaning choosing signs. again, this has nothing to do with diversity. it is actually a 0 sum game. and what's really quite remarkable is that russia and china are demonized as being authoritarian. but even if you accept that proposition, russia and china are not proposing in the promotion an extension of authoritarian powers. there's no evidence about whatsoever. so this is an idea walkable struggle coming just from one side. they use the word side again, go ahead,

dimmer your chord cried. i think george was quite right in the site and the examples of poland and hungary as country is, which just didn't fit the morally, the idea, logical monolith or the west. and it was interesting that president, do know poland, russo for because he's suddenly just a few days ago that the idea would you go constraints imposed by the european union . in fact, the idea of what you can constraints that were imposed by the soviet union. and the other example of gas done. i mean that the idea that you should educate goals before boys, you know, it just didn't go down and stuff and he couldn't. but there is no so, so i mean, 20 years, the longest warning american history americans are leaving, they're going to stop. and i don't hear a war the self criticism. what did we do wrong?

it's all about the table. i'm going to see know the other 2 cases, you know, they are unable to. so it's, it's the same story. again, i told you said the board 0 sum game and all the sites is very important because, you know, we are trying to find out why is the situation so bad in europe? i mean, it's no worse than a 1989 or even a 987. why did it happen? well, because of george be right. you're right in his article. it's a big wall, the importer, somebody most american foreign policy article published in the national interest. in fact, clinton, even clinton and george bush was also supported, universally from in stand on diversity. that was the, i mean, i remember how clinton many times came to law school with his wife lecturing russians on the,

on the benefits over american life. the problem was that you projected the immature great sympathy to what russian, so, i mean, it's just a noxious. you know, when he'll respond that a chance in russia before the election in 2016 and when she was there, sexual state. bill clinton never objected. even though that was basically undue. and you know what he said for many years when he was the president. so they basically impose this idea off against them. you know, instead of talking about compromise, talking about corporation in europe. it was about democratic west save in the former soviet republics from that authoritarian clark just over russia. i think that was the image or whatever that was very well presented by glen decent, our friend and participant in the, in the cross talk in his regional article on our team website in bel,

russian culture. the headline on that you for how the situation develop. basically, why did we have wars in the form of the former soviet union? the main reason why people have was, is when the situation presents an opportunity for nationalists. so the 1st time the national saw opportunity was in the end of the service union when loan to for moving, you know, in the, in, so we bought it. so people are nationalist in on me. and there isn't a bunch of nationalists in georgia just had to the moment you know, the moment when we can redraw board us or preserve, or the says they are, they started the worse if i could just jump in here, give me a, you're absolutely historically empirically correct, let me move over to george here, but this all was how he didn't being pro democracy in the west. just dba. got a spot on you have these rabbit, a national is looking for an opportunity and then they, they then the west and there. and there underlings in the media,

they wrap it up into some kind of, you know, fluffy, democratic thing. i mean, it wasn't had nothing to do with that whatsoever. go ahead. george. no, nothing is all about the paradigm of the what was it was you the law in which the west deliberately deliberately misled the public about what was really going on in the slot in. so you have in croatia, princeton openly fashioned open apologise while the regime in world war 2, coming to power and browsing the patriot, the raven hatred will decide which was reminiscent of what they were doing in the night with the media western politician policy makers presented into some of these are real democrats, you know, they, they, there, then why does like a democracy, as opposed to the terrible people in belgrade pro russian ro come in, all these terrible articles, this big game, you know,

the model to be used elsewhere. so somebody who demand a big present that again, as a democrat, i mean the gaining ukraine also be nationally, crashes. the knowledge is a present that as democrats and the west. and so if you tell them, well, this guy, you know, this, you know, need to sort of a sort of like, right? and that's, that's not the west places. so, you know, they saw these nationalist classes islamic, and they, and number of gates as useful goals for destroying yugoslavia and weakening, basically weakening russia and presented to them as liberals and democrats. it's really interesting team and said, you know, again,

we have this kind of false choice or false binary. is it? if you want more reform and democracy must be pro western an anti russian? i mean, why can't you be pro reform and pro democracy and still be pro russia? of course i'm talking about beer roots. ok. they're creating these artificial divisions that are, are completely unnecessary and do not exist in real life. go ahead. well, i think glen d some presented very well in his article that i mentioned. you can also test driven by russian circus. he writes that basically the directions paid to make this choice between europe and russia, and in the same way ukrainians, aged to make the choice. i remember how the control or association agreement with the spot that it started in 2003, when president coach mart joined the joint economic space with russia and immediately mano, europe in commissioners. wiggle, he came to, you know,

you said you have a choice. you know, if you stay in join the comics base, say going back to the membership it will never be offered to you so the ukrainians were put before the same choice. the. the west is now forcing the bell russians to make and blend decent is very right that this was the reason for the conflict on the was in the former soviet union democracy de mer. yeah, i mean it's, it's amazing the west, my forcefully severing countries the performance of into products and they have well, when language, coleman history, common religion with russian by several of them from russia, the west repairs the truth for c one was making your grain of conflict and coming back to what they just said, you know, the 1st way will was, so it was, it was in that late ages early in one just one moment and we're moving in the soviet union and all this could be redrawn, you know, let me give you the example of georgia nationalists,

they decided that this is the moment to take away from the minority from their projects, from their agents, their terrible 1st president gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, it was that the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums and they didn't make you one when they found mr. so casually the back within a go to a short break break. we'll continue our discussion and some real new stay with our ah ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except when the short or conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at the point obviously is too

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ah, okay, let's go back to jim in moscow here we went to a quick break here. you want to finish up your point. go ahead. so some of the 1st wave off was so it was, was in the ninety's, the by the 1994. the situation stabilized, you know, the tools was find in the car box, georgia for some time stop their attacks against the party. and since all the safety and, and then it restarted in 2008 when saga really tried to retake. so why did you do that? why did the 2nd way? we'll see what was stopped in the pharmacy region because georgia and ukraine were promised to membership in bucharest. so the nationalists decided here goes there, but unity again, you know, we had the opportunity in the early 90 s late 81. the 17 wasn't integrating. we used it, but most of the food stamp now comes the 2nd and we've had the complex in caramark

and we had the civil war in ukraine. a basically in the, you know, the reason was need to express and you know, because need to, expression gave an impression of creating a new job political reality and giving you up. but you need to enter this in the form. so again, that's just that, it's great a creating a choice of either or and when you have a good part of ukraine, historically traditionally called re look towards russian errors the same. but they have to make this pact with the devil, george. ok. and it is the, you know, the title of this program is ideological stability because it's the ideology. all it does is great stability. yes, yes, that's it. then of course it was always the goal to scoop up. all of

these are all of the countries that had been aligned with the soviet union in the war. and those weren't aligned such as, scoop them all up with a native and scoop up all of the republics of the former soviet union also within native that was always the goal. and so they use this ology of freedom and democracy to present it as if somehow these countries, you know, they want to be free on russian influence. you know, there are to, you know, they're, they're fighting for freedom. and here we are, you know, the west coming to their assistance. but in reality, the point though, you know, these are countries who have distinct histories, distinct the national interest of cultural relationships with russia. they don't have any interest in being scooped up within nato, which apart from anything else, is leading them into perilous conflict in georgia

and the same. what does it prove to be in ukraine? i mean, it's never been thoughtfully explain, has been, you can want to have more transparent senior government. you want to have a government that respects rights, basic rights that are expected around the world. but you have the but to have that you have to be anti russian. it is never made any sense to me whatsoever. i want to change gears a little bit. you know you said you focused on europe and i think you're absolutely right but not mistaken. fema russians, good relations with japan, south korea, philippines, l. street, i mean they, there are no issues there. it's only in europe. ok. but then again, when you should, it should be east is a top prosy versus democracy argument false. why? and i think that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. it's only focused on europe at this point in time. go ahead. well, they're not. the states use the same argument against china. i mean it's,

it's terrible. in the last few decades, china has been many and ties with japan, you know, there was a trail, april, some median, all the presidents on japan, south korea, and china just presently. things seem to be moving up, you know, looking up and now they're like to stay. success or chinese. so gratian in south china, sea or chinese, so aggressive east china sea. and they even don't look at the joke, different names that are actually close to china when you are right. you know, i think that the problem with much deeper than just for in, for all of the systems use certain frame. yes. so the weaknesses of the nation is that the control, the not is used germans pension for collectivism and for collective sacrifice. sometimes in the same way, you know, the american authorities are using these st demand in america. america is a nation of immigrants, and people in america, you know,

melville describe very well and you won't be come and liberate the world, destroyed the tyrants, you know, destroy this payable way, which is a symbol of evil, right? so the story just in the united states are using it very clearly, and it's very interesting in article george be gold. jeff k, you know, kennedy, i'm like, wilson was called on making the won't say for you more can you just said make the world say for diversity. that's very, that's a very important distinction. you know, and i think that the moment is the early seek just we will very close doing you agreement between the soviet union and the united states. that would save a lot of lives and effort. you know, ga cannon wrote about it by the field because kennedy was killed and you know, are the people came to power? but in general, i think it should be the slogan. all the,

they want to avoid another world war. we need to make the world safe for them and diversity georgia, that important thing is that for a stable, international order, all of the major stakeholders have to see the international order. it is being legitimate. but the ideology coming out of steroids now from the, by the ministration is that, you know, if you do not participate in act in the international system as we deem then you weren't illegitimate after. and if you deem a major power like rush and china is not being legitimate, then the order itself cannot be legitimate because you're denying them being stakeholders. yes, yes. and that's why the russians repeatedly emphasize the united nations charter and the united nations as a whole, as the very basis of the international system. and the reason they do is that we

created this of the system of the security council in which the great powers are given a veto. in other words, we have a mechanism in place in which way where we get it to issues in which grape, our interests are on the line, the great right to veto. and that created these, the stability that was absent in the league of nations because it was, you know, you can say ok, you know, no one can do anything that will threaten the interests of soviet union. russia. no one's going to think that will threaten the interest of china and so on. so that the, that was why the united nations has worked. where the league of nations failed because the great power li, oh, there's nothing in it for me. i mean, i don't, i don't know and that's why what the west is talking about. the rules based all the

is simply arbitrary rules that the nato power just cobbled together at any particular moment to justify what they do and to demonize and di, legitimize what, you know, great power, like china and russia, they will, you know, we don't, can find the on the list, when you set the rules and we are held to be in violation of the rules. what interesting georgia is that remember samantha power, she lamented russia's use of the beat. and it's really quite incredible i would say to samantha, how it shows the system works because that's how it was supposed to work with the that was the whole point. that's why they put that in the veto. they don't want to do what they, why, and the legal nations rule that failed. so we can't do this again. you know, if you know this, this, this is hiding behind the close of democracy. but well, let's look at the record yugoslavia. let's look at iraq. let's look at syria,

afghanistan, we go on and on. i mean, it's really quite incredible. there's this idea logical offensive his garnered very little games. ok. and ends in failure every single time. and we have, we have to buy administration actually doubling down on it and, and if you just pointed out in the 1st part of the program, no interest section whatsoever. why didn't work, go ahead. well, you're right. and not only did fail spectacularly in the, in libya or in a game where it's obvious. but it also failed the former soviet union. i mean the idea, george a demon it's, it's bailey and i just right. but the idea that the western interference can help you more chrissy is absolutely counterproductive. glenn decent shows it very well in his article. at the use of pinion website. basically,

the majority of the russians on law 40 her last or even phone. or, you know, you get the least popular person. they're looking for someone who could replace shackle and preserve with russia. someone like barber ego. but the west, the narrative is out in only $200.00 k. you know, the, that's the problem with, with the military and i would just, they have only one can do that. they have only bond area. and you know, so that out in the colonels, that's very counterproductive. you know, when dance economy start was working badly when you have a role in the money and outside interference is in lockets relations. and that's exactly what happened in beller was in your brain because western influences. that's what happened in russia regarding what have step down from the political scene back in the early ninety's. if there was real competition, you know, not impeded by western financial injections,

but because the work has been helping lindsay and the obligation, he stays there because he opens the controls some of these michael, right. so and talking about relations between conscious, you said europe and asia, well, basically similar processes in europe. you know, there were 2 attitudes, one, you know, be strong against russia. the other one represented by the brand and the others negotiate with russia and the brands. strategy worked in asia again. there were 2 approaches. mom, the japanese one is like stand for, you know, until you see the islands no peace treaty. and then there was the chinese or did you go, she'd be cramped, you know, corporate and the chinese know variant worked while the japanese you know, they just, they, when they are 60 years or 7080 years later, they just stay wherever they are. so these entered, it also doesn't work with russian. this control last word here. i mean as far as

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