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who's i'm action or you're watching, going underground, coming up of the show. after you get us he, you, nation armed israeli strikes on garza and syria. is the world complicit against international law? the un special operator on human rights in the occupied palestinian territories. today, the de palestinians would have gone to the poles, tells us israel is liable for war crimes. and we investigate the origins of islam, a phobia with an international human rights. who tells us why we shouldn't fear muslim planet all the small coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, today would have been palestinian presidential election day, but under an occupying power keys to walk crimes. after all, was daily israeli killing and multi $1000000.00 aerial bombardment. well, this is pegasus revelations of his really spyware company. and so group were

shattered by the news that ice cream company been in. jerry's would stop selling ice cream and illegal israeli settlements. join me now from ontario and canada is the un special repertoire on the situation of human rights in the occupied palestinian territories. professor michael link. thank you so much michael. for coming back on. let's just go straight to the letter that you and 2 other threats were apertures calling for elections. the not happening today. after all, have you spoken with israel? after all, armed by britain, the united states and european union nations that appears to say no elections in east jerusalem. i don't see any pressure for quite frankly, from the international community with respect to the, the rescheduling of these elections. we want these elections to be held, obviously in as soon as possible, hopefully within the next 6 months. and we would like, obviously all the participating birdies, israel, the palestinian authority from us as well as the international community to ensure that all palestinians have a link to vote

a right to participate. and particularly those and in occupying eastern islam where israel has made it very difficult to trying to conduct the policy and elections. i mean, we see those in palestine watching this right now. we'll go hang on a minute. there's been aerial bombardment every other day in the gaza, seemingly. why are we talking about elections? any response from the israeli government to the letter? know, quite frankly, i'm not surprised. i have been in the position of special repertoire for more than 5 years. i have never received a single reply from israel to any of the 75 or so statements that i released or any of the 10 reports that are released or any requests made by me to be able to visit the occupied palestinian territory. they don't recognize the mandate, they don't engage in it and they don't reply to anything that i write coming there being some noises, since terabyte is elected, does the united states even recognize you as un special roberta? i've not heard anything with respect to that. i don't have

a regular contact with the united states. so i'm hoping to now that we have a president that at least on paper is more open to i guess, recognizing some form of palestinian rights. we'll see down the line, i hope to be able to be in touch with the americans of the next time i'm in geneva and in new york, you think bennett will allow joe biden to put a u. s. consulate in east jerusalem for the ballast indians? i'm sure that a beach that's going on within the israeli government and the end of the day. i can't see how the how these really government can refuse the old opening a reopening of the u. s. council. that's been there since before. 948 is my understanding as simply restoration to the status quo. joe biden has done some on attacks. some of the issues that were that had been done by the foreign president such as the restored aid to unwrap the palestinian refugee agency run by the united

nations. he's attempting to try to reopen as constantly as restored funding to the palestinian authority. in general, i mean in the news has been hundreds killed or wounded in the shape your neighbourhood obviously directly in your remittance as these eviction processes going on. their supreme court decision comes. but can i just quickly go to gaza and ask you what you know of what is happening there, especially given israel has been area li bombarding it with weapons supplied to them and weapon birds from britain where i'm speaking to you for sure. the most recent statement was made by the united nations during a special meeting of the un security council devoted to the middle east. and the deputy un coordinator stated that there is attempts now to both to evaluate the amount of damage done to gather both with economy and to its infrastructure. it's

probably somewhere in the area of, of a half of a half a $1000000000.00 of damage that was caused during the violence in may. there is an attempt to try to raise money, which is going slowly among international donors to, to fund this. again, there's attempts to try to be able to whiten them a number of the amount of materials that are going in the gas, both for construction and reconstruction, as well as just for the daily economy. keep in mind, you know, gas is flat on its back, it's economy is stagnant, it has among the highest unemployment rate of any geographic unity unit that the world bank looks at at around 50 percent. its health care system is shattered both by lack of equipment as well as by the rise in cold cases. it's water is on principle. it's now up to about getting to around 14 hours a day of power each day, which is hardly enough to be able to, to restart in economy. any economic development goes on and gas so usually is

allowance of construction material to come in to repair. what is really missiles of one of destroying, i mean, just on the journalism element, the fact that israel has been carrying out air strikes in the past few days, weeks. why do you think it doesn't even make the front pages of newspapers in the capital of countries supplying the weaponry to, to bomb this area speak of. so, sadly, sir, i'd like to think i don't have a cynical bone in my body with respect to this. how else would i do this to help unless i'm, i'm going to journal optimist. but the question then becomes, if it's not, if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't leave here. we have more than 2000000 people penned up of behind a 14 year old blockade that constitutes collective punishment, which is the illegal under international law. and yet i can't think of a single other situation in the world where you have this number of people behind

a behind fencing and basically not, not able to move outside of that restricted area. and you know, the, well, the level of attention given to the ongoing rights violations caused by this is minuscule. yeah. but i mean, if it bleeds, it leads, they are bleeding and how many were injured in the illegal beta settlement? just in the past few days, 150 wounded. you call this this settlement? the settlements war crimes. yes. and that is not a hard thing to become. i think any international lawyer looking at the definition of war crimes under the room statute of 1998, which created the international criminal court, will see the definition of an occupying power. moving parts of a civilian population into the occupied territory is clearly on ambiguously defined as a war crime. and that language was directly borrowed from the 1949. fortunately,

the convention and the $977.00 additional protocols and those earlier documents international law that the security council, the general assembly and the un human rights council have repeatedly said, israel isn't flagrant violation of so it's no great logical step to say that if the settlements are, are great region 14 the convention, and using virtue the same language there war crime under the 1998 our own statute. well, israel obviously denies war crimes. united states doesn't appear to really recognize view in human rights, a counsel and presume really it's now up to the international criminal court to decide on the allegations of war crimes. does that mean that any businesses here in britain say, or in the you, if they are involved in settlement building or house destruction, are they facilitating war crimes? shouldn't be the definition that was created. 1998 is quite broad and says any

basically any actions directly or indirectly. those are the key words that are in the definition of war crimes in the rome statute maybe may amount to the prosecution of those involved in it. so it would be, obviously, these really military, political and administrative leadership that facilitated the creation of the subtle and civil asked by decades. but it could also involve international businesses that are both directly or indirectly with the maintenance of the settlement economy. and we're now at a new getting a new understanding, the international law. the businesses may be culpable, may be liable for either civil suits or for, or perhaps for war crimes. if they're involved in a manner that winds up violating what are our new understanding or crimes constitutes. so british companies, international companies that are, that are actively engaged in the, in the settlements. you know, please,

please keep the wanting to far from union leave the parent company of ice cream brand abandoned. jerry is having to apologize and say we oppose a boy called divestment factors. they may, they may thank those have been in jerry's for a, getting them off the war cry liability because they've refusing to fill the ice cream now and the legal settlement. sure. and if you think in the one, this is a, this is a tempest in that, in a tea party i merican ice cream maker is going to withdraw selling ice cream from the, from the settlement. but you can see how the reaction of the israeli government, the president of israels called us economic terrorism. the foreign minister said this is a form of anti semitism. at some point these arguments and the scare tactics are going to sound increasingly follow. the settlements are clearly illegal as international law. every single country in the world accepts and if they are illegal, a flagrant violation, say, according to the security council and

a war crime, then what are we doing? allowing those selling goods to come into the or be a market or the north american market. that economic oxygen given to them only allows them to continue to, to flourish their now around $700000.00 israeli saturdays. and somewhere between 252300 settlements occupied easter to some and the west bank. that's the, that's the engine of the occupation. and that's the main reason for the continuation of the occupation. and that's the main obstacle to realizing genuine palestinian self determination which the world says it is in favor of. well they are in sports competitions there in the eurovision song contest. and just to be clear then, isn't it enough? totally bennett, a war criminal because he is involved clearly in what you described as war crimes a the settlements. well, yes. you know, i think, i think the, the stretch of the where the reach of the prosecutors off of the international

criminal court would go to it doesn't commit states a convicts individuals. and the reach of the international criminal court would be towards any of the leadership, militarily, political and administrative that have been fostering and encouraging the development of the, of a settlement. well, the apc obviously pay more famous for prosecuting a black africans than white people. you believe just very quickly on the pegasus spyware? i think is it your understanding could be used against all people to track all people in the territories occupied. so excited 67 right now, maybe 1st of all is the way in which of these private, israeli and other cybersecurity companies have been able to sell their advanced cyber technology to countries around the world and put in many authoritarian

countries, has many of these companies, countries are able to use this advance of spyware on their own citizens, particularly with respect to political dissidents. and those engaged in critical journalism. that is a, a great breach of both the right to dissent, as well as the right to privacy. you know, the 2nd, you know, it shows that there is virtually no oversight list with respect to these really government who has to issue export licenses to these companies, such as, and so to be able to send their spyware abroad. and there's a huge gap with respect to that and perhaps suggest that there's been a fair amount of collusion between the israeli government and the spyware companies . in sending this, sending the cyber security surveillance off to companies that israel wants to be able to, to nourish a relationship. but the 3rd biggest, which is the one that's really been covered by these revelations over the past several weeks, is that this, the cyber spyware was developed on the palestinian population over the last 3 and 4

decades. most of these israeli cybersecurity companies at their origins and what is called unit $8200.00, which is the military unit devoted to surveillance of the palestinian population. so what is used on palestinians today is use on the world population to moral? well, obviously the and so group denies any wrongdoing and says what it's doing is trying to create a peaceful and well, it's measure of a to thank you. my pleasure. after the break, we ask international human right parcel and if the car, what's driving the global fear of a muslim planet, all this more coming up about to have going on the ground. the me a new gold rush is underway, and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the goldfields,

hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still will have the strongest appeal quiz per session is 0 time and like, what do you call that? what does that word? it's called communism right? only in communism with our state run countries, they have no recession, but they also have no way for anybody to have a life rather than being a slave. okay, that's where america the welcome back and part one, we talked to a un special rebel to or about legible crimes committed against, predominantly,

but by no means exclusively occupied palestinian muslims ever since 911. the cold war against islam has been arguably waged against the one point. 9000000000 muslims of the world will join me now from washington. d. c is around if the guy international human rights and author of the new book, fear of a muslim planet, global as i'm a phobia in the new world order. thanks so much for coming on, you know, in british t. v. or we see, or when it comes to muslims argue migrant arriving from countries that have been intervened. in predominantly, most of the ones tell me about fear of a muslim planet. well, personally, i've seen it actually the 1st play on the very famous 1990 album here, a black planet by public enemy. and really what it does, it's really the heart of a lot of what we're seeing in terms of modernist, on the phobia today. with the premises or other conservative governments in the west, you know, basically saying that we are going to be taken over by brown again,

replacement conspiracy theory. this rated in many parts of the world today that is leading to, you know, genocide level will be another. and them around the world, but it's arguably working. do you think these decades of, i suppose what you'd call propaganda, let alone laws in so called liberal countries like we are a b and union. and canada saying, yes, absolutely. i mean, if you look at the right sort of right wing entrenched nationalism all over the world, whether it's marine, france or victor, or on an angry or by other than the netherlands, or donald trump, i here in the united states, you know, we've, we've seen this describe the growing up nationalism, which in many cases is perpetuated and sort of exacerbated by a by white supremacists narrative, you know, brown and black people community over, you know, the majority ideas. and so that's what i always like to highlight is that,

you know, even though i read about it on the, when it comes to sort of the other, i think human beings are going to turn it into the actually the local term. it's been around since i'm in memorial from the book of leviticus to show that we are the human race of always the unit to blame other people or all of those. and even though might be today, it's going to be somebody tomorrow with somebody else yesterday. and that's why it's important for us to dallas, against them wherever you forgot russia as well, which also has a lot similar to the one used to be in britain that promotion of gay rights. but i mean them, arguably, as for liberal identity politics, prevail is. do you not think that most muslims, perhaps like most abrahamic, judy, jewish and christian believers. that what do you think of their attitudes to trans rights, l g b, g q plus rights and, and women rights in terms of equality. you really think that most muslim support l

g b t q plus rights money, anything most definitely do in terms of protecting the civil and human rights of all people. but again, that sort of getting back into the true sort of the, the time of the narrative, the me, one, people, the world that the most we going really in the world and, you know, we don't conflate all christianity or all christians with, you know, some of the more orthodox teaching her sanity. and so i'm trying to see that we're, you know, we mustn't are as diverse as everyone else. you know, when you talk about racial profiling and listens in the west, it laughable because obviously represents every color of the rainbow. you know, here in the united states, for example, one 4th of american muslims are african americans who have been here over the 151600. we have a 4th that are era, again, more and more people in our wrongfully could conflate with almost that being arrows are being one of the, of a 3rd of the american ones that are from the agents of continent. and then,

you know, in europe and let you know as well. and so again, the purpose of the book is, again to show that, you know, the irrational fear of, you know, in our case, you know, muslims coming to take over. western societies is as well as, you know, obviously, you know, the historical claims that you know, did a worldwide jewish conspiracy or the black folks are brown for latino folks are coming to take over the united states. and so we have to look at it in terms of, of anti racism globally fastest growing religion here. i thought a slam, but i mean, i do want to sound like steve been and i'm not bidding for a job in terms 2024 cabinet. but you don't think that there is an attitude amongst elite and i want to bring the class dimension here that these white working class fundamentalist christians of the american south. they're all there is a kind of prejudice against them. why? i think it all comes from, you know, misinformation,

a lack of information. you know, obviously when you, when you look at any sort of demographic group, you know where they are or who willingly homophobic those white christians in the midwest. polls show and polls about muslims that they have use on l. g. b, g, q writes not the same as those metropolitan areas. a class is the correlation, right? but i answered your question 2 questions ago. what i'm trying to get out is again, that 70 percent of white trump, republican voters in the united states say that they don't know. and so when you look at 16 or 17 republican presidential candidate to really try to sort of out of each other with donald trump, saying that you want to complete and total muslims from coming into the united states. people like ted cruz and ben carson said that they wouldn't allow them or even hinder, you can federal judges here in the united states. saying that, sure, from the moral of the united states, even though our, because of the constitution states that no other law can be supreme, love the land. so again, if it's pandering to

a lack of education with information that we've seen. and again, it's something that we've seen for lack of decades here in the united states, obviously with the immigration to be with latino, hispanic time in memorial from the beginning or district, where the african american community coming to them. not only right now, but in the or the 20th century, with henry ford and obviously the holocaust and japanese internment 140000 and you have thrown it in german camps. so again, this is the next chapter of the story to the united states. and in many parts was, well, of course, one could make the point that it is these countries nature nation countries that have often supported arguably muslim groups in muslim nations. there were lots of allegations. i think joe biden is referred to them previously of the supporting financially. certainly those link to our kinder in isis dash. obviously the majority in enough janice done more recently in this area is,

is this missing the point that actually these western nations have been terribly pro, a particular type of muslim because what they want is fights between different brands of islam in the muslim world. well, i mean if you look at the region, the u. s. and what to support, you know, the muslim majority countries on the 8th of the earth, it's really been for the anti democratic, despotic authoritarian regimes that are cracking down on their, on their own electric stores. the united states in the west, i really cited with whoever is most convenient for them, but again, i think it can cannot be underscored enough that everything that we're seeing today in terms of american, it was the policy towards the muslim world debate with some world. it's towards more toward more democratic and more authoritarian and retains, and that's having a huge impact as well. i mean again the you in my book, i'm not only highlighting western white islamic, i'm also highlighting eastern time. we have

a 1000000 listen in internment camps in china. we have me on mar and yet with a 1000000 of them were pushed into one that we have india with the raising rise and authoritarian lurch and they're in there monday and all of his time with them. so again, this is not something that it's supposed to wait for in the west, but again, it's metastasize in many part of the leading to genocide levels. i think obviously me and mar and moody publicly deny. deny that you mentioned a 1000000 in internment camps in gene jang. where do you get that figure from a 2018 human rights watch report, united nations or words? again, i can spend an entire interview going over that when i'm trying to show again, is that part of a global problem? right? a lot of folks say, well, you know, it's only happening in the west point, wait frontier games or americans that are doing it. no, it's a problem for all of us to go racism in any of any state that is a problem. and as a human right for something that we should all be god again,

you know that the human rights watch report was based on testimony from sources that have been widely discredited. in fact, by evangelical christians, we've had on this program, people talk exactly about that. doesn't that destroy your case? because what you're actually doing in this book is to is to talk about islam in a non, as a non threatening revolutionary ideology against current neo liberal norms. you talk about donna karen's, are a mango offering clothes for a particular class of muslim. that is a more modest, don't you really want to turn islam into a thought of friendly capitalism, friendly religion rather than actually as regards supporting what is fundamental, the abrahamic religions which is a, which is a love of people that is a very conflating question that doesn't even really make any sense. what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to humanize, if i'm and look one to about the jordy of the world public. that has no exposure to

them, right? again, if you look at, you know, 22nd. but if you look at, you know, if you look at the images of all those in beard beer didn't look men and women covered in hollywood movies and tv shows and you know, the news cat. that's what's leading to a lot of the summer for me that we see today because of the fact again that most people, when you don't have heard anything, you're obviously going to make your decisions about based on the narrative that you are barton on a daily basis. and so again, i think it's important for people on of all different, especially those who look like don't believe like us are from different part of the world. but again, it's important for us to understand in a global context, global village is shrinking on a daily basis. and it's important for us to understand the things that happen world way and have an impact on us also. and again, it's important for us to get out of our entrenchment. and so to look at things from more humanistic leader, the leads do have things to fear about rather than

a muslim planet, a revolutionary abrahamic planet. we knew about the great revolutionary catholicism and latin america that fought against u. s. power structures in the military industrial complex. we know that islamic fighters in yemen, fighting in the world's worst humanitarian crisis against the military industrial complex, as seen by the end. again, say you're not taking away some of the power of abrahamic religion to be able to fight elite power. i mean, i don't understand your shorthand to believe i don't know what that means, but when i'm, when i'm seeing that, yeah, there are issues here. but again, get, look at global politics. you know, from different context we can conflate 186 countries on the earth. 57 with most of the majority, wants to cherry pick and pick one or 2 isolated countries as indicative of a global trend is actually part of part of the same problem. again, you know,

we don't, we don't want, you know, we don't want people to cast aspersions on brown folks. i can see sort of like a general edition then a lot of the framework questions that are sort of pandering that same sort of millionaires. i'm trying to do that, you know, everybody is a human being. we all have different countries. in the west. i'm in europe with different than if i'm in the middle east or south asia, we're in australia and we're leaving out. you can see what the global lead and the monolithic entity. there's no model, it's again to be used anywhere in the world. and that's part of the, the book. it showed that, you know, there is no, you know, monolithic entities. and so, because of that, we look at things for the fact as opposed to sort of trying to catch this version, you know, in blank generalisation africa. thank you. my pleasure. thank you. that's ever showing back on monday to investigate class was in a cornish fishing village in the bath to winning film bait until then keep and try social media and let us know if you think the so called mainstream media is unfair . it's reporting of mostly

use the really good boils among health care well because in england he said that they're offended over a proposed 3 percent pay rises, reward for that during the funds that make that reveal civil servants have been hundreds, thousands of pounds more during the covert try the on top and call the friends with raises, it becomes the only country, not exempt of our florentine rules and the people in paris. the thoughts on the thing is political is nothing else anything to do.