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tells us israel is liable for war crimes. and we investigate the origins of islam, a phobia with an international human rights. who tells us why we shouldn't fear a muslim planet all the more coming up in today's going underground with 1st today would have been palestinian presidential election day, but under an occupying power accused of war crimes. after all, was daily israeli killing and multi $1000000.00 aerial bombardment. well, this is pegasus revelations of israel spyware company. and so group were overshadowed by the news that ice cream company been in. jerry's would stop selling ice cream and illegal israeli settlements. join me now from ontario and canada is the u. n. special repertoire on the situation of human rights in the occupied palestinian territories. professor michael link. thank you so much michael. for coming back on. let's just go straight to the letter that you and 2 other rest were apertures calling for elections. they're not happening today. after all. have you spoken with israel? after all, armed by britain, the united states and european union nations that appears to say no elections in

east jerusalem. i don't see any pressure for quite frankly, from the international community with respect to the, the rescheduling of these elections. we want these elections to be held, obviously in as soon as possible, hopefully within the next 6 months. and we would like, obviously all the participating birdies, israel, the palestinian authority from us as well as the international community to ensure that all palestinians have a way to vote a right to participate and particularly those and in occupied eastern islam where israel has made it very difficult to trying to conduct the policy and elections. i mean obviously those in palestine watching this right now we'll go hang on a minute. there's been aerial bombardment every other day in gaza seemingly. why are we talking about elections? any response from the israeli government to the letter? know? quite frankly, i'm not surprised. i have been in this position a special rather tore for more than 5 years. i have never received

a single reply from israel to any of the 75 or so statements that i released or any of the 10 reports that are released or any requests made by me to be able to visit the occupied palestinian territory. they don't recognize the mandate, they don't engage in it and they don't reply to anything that i right. i mean there being some noises, since terabyte is elected, does the united states even recognize you as un special operator? i've not heard anything with respect to that. i don't have a regular contact with the united states. so i'm hoping to now that we have a president that at least on paper is more open to i guess, recognizing some form of palestinian rice. what we'll see down the line, i hope to be able to be in touch with the americans of the next time i'm in geneva and in new york, you think bennett will allow joe biden to but a u. s. consulate in east jerusalem for the ballast indians. i'm sure sort of beach that's going on within the israeli government and the end of the day,

i can't see how the how these really government can refuse. the old opening reopening of the u. s. council. that's been there since before. 948 is my understanding as simply restoration to the status quo. job whiteness done some on attacks. some of the issues that were, that had been on done by the foreign president such as the ease restore aid to unwrap the palestinian refugee agency run by the united nations. he's attempting to try to reopen as constantly as restoring funding to the palestinian authority. in general, i mean in the news has been hundreds killed or wounded in the shape, your neighborhood obviously directly in your remittance as these eviction processes going on monday, a supreme court decision comes but can i just quickly go to gaza and ask you what you know of what is happening there,

especially given israel has been airily bombarding it with weapons supplied to them and weapon pod from britain, where i'm speaking to you for sure. the most recent statement was made by the united nations during a special meeting of the un security council devoted to the middle east. and the deputy un coordinator stated that there is attempts now to both to evaluate the amount of damage done to gather both with economy and to its infrastructure. it's probably somewhere in the area of, of a half of a half a $1000000000.00 of damage that was caused during the violence in may. there is an attempt to try to raise money, which is going slowly among international donors to, to fund this. again, there's attempts to try to be able to white and the number of the amount of materials that are going in the gas are both for construction and reconstruction, as well as just for the daily economy. keep in mind, you know, gas is flat on its back, it's economy is stagnant,

it has among the highest unemployment rate of any geographic unity unit that the world bank looks on at around 50 percent. its health care system is shattered both by lack of equipment, as well as by the rise. in cobit cases, it's water is unprincipled. it's now up to about getting to around 14 hours a day of power each day, which is hardly enough to be able to, to restart in economy. any economic development goes on and gas usually is allowance of construction material to come in to repair what is ready, missiles of one of destroying, i mean, just on the journalism element. the fact that israel has been carrying out as strikes in the past few days, weeks. why do you think it doesn't even make from pages of newspapers in the capitals of countries supplying the weaponry to, to bomb this area speak of. so sadly, sir, i'd like to think i don't have a cynical bone in my body with respect to this. how else when i do this job unless

i'm a, i'm an internal optimist. but the question then becomes, if it's not, if it doesn't bleed, it doesn't leave here, we have more than 2000000 people penned up of behind a 14 year old blockade that constitutes collective punishment, which is the illegal under international law. and yet i can't think of a single other situation in the world where you have this number of people behind a behind fencing and basically not, not able to move outside of that restricted area. and you know, the, well, the level of attention given to the ongoing right file ations caused by this is minuscule. yeah. but i mean, if it bleeds, it leads, they are bleeding and what is it? how many were injured in the illegal beta settlement? just in the past few days, 150 wounded. you call this this settlement? the settlements war crimes. yes. and that is not

a hard thing to come by. i think any, her national lawyer looking at the definition of war crimes under the room statute of 1998, which created the international criminal court, will see that the, the definition of an occupying power, moving parts of a civilian population into the occupied territory is clearly on ambiguously defined as a war crime and that language was directly borrowed from the 1949. fortunately, the convention and the $977.00 additional protocols and those earlier documents and international law that the security council, the general assembly and the un human rights council have repeatedly said, israel isn't flagrant violation of so it's no great logical step to say that if the settlements are, are great breach of the 14 convention and using virtue the same language there war crime under the 1998 our own statute. well, israel obviously denies war crimes. the united states doesn't appear to really

recognize view in human rights council, and presumably it's now up to the international criminal court to decide on the allegations of war crimes. does that mean that any businesses here in britain say or in the you, if they are involved in settlement building or house destruction or the facilitating war crimes? shouldn't be that definition that was created in 1998 is quite broad. it says any, basically, any actions directly or indirectly, those are the key words that are in the definition of war crimes in the rome statute maybe may amount to person the prosecution of those involved in it. so it would be, obviously, these really military, political and administrative leadership that has celebrated the creation of the subtle and civil asked by decades. but it could also involve international businesses that are both directly or indirectly with the maintenance of the

settlement economy. and we're now at a new, i think you understanding international law businesses, maybe culpable, maybe liable for either civil suits or for, or perhaps for war crimes. if they're involved in a manner that winds up violating what are our new understanding or crimes constitutes. so british companies, international companies that are, that are actively engaged in the, in the settlements. you know, please, please keep the warning to fall from the union. leave the parent company of ice cream, brand, ben and jerry is having to apologize and say we oppose a boy called dev estimates. actually they may, they may thank those have been in jerry's for getting them off the war credit liability because they've refused to fill the ice cream now in the legal settlement . sure. and if you think in on one hand, this is a, this is a tempest in that in a t i merican ice cream maker is going to withdraw selling ice cream from the,

from the settlement. but you can see how the reaction of the israeli government, the president of israel's call this economic terrorism. the foreign minister is said, this is a form of anti semitism. at some point. these arguments and the scare tactics are going to sound increasingly hollow settlements are clearly illegal as national law . every single country in the world except and if they are illegal, a flagrant violation, say, according to the security council and a war crime, then what are we doing? allowing those selling goods to come into the or p and market or the north american market. that economic oxygen given to them only allows them to continue to, to flourish their now around $700000.00 is ready. supper is in somewhere between $250.00 to $300.00 settlements occupied eastern and the west bank. that's the, that's the engine of the occupation. and that's the main reason for the

continuation of the occupation. and that's the main obstacle to realizing genuine palestinian self determination which the world says it doesn't favor out. well they are in sports competitions. they're in the eurovision song contest. i mean, just to be clear then, isn't it enough tale bennett, a war criminal because he is involved clearly in what you describe as war crimes. the settlements? well, yes. you know, i think, i think the, the stretch of the, or the reach of the prosecutors off of the international criminal court would go to it doesn't convict states, convicts individuals. and the reach of the international criminal court would be towards any of the leadership, militarily, political and administrative that have been fostering, encouraging the development of the, of the settlement. well, the, i see obviously pay more famous for prosecuting a black africans than white people. you bleed just very quickly on the pegasus

spyware. i think is it your understanding that it could be used against all people to track old people in the territories occupy? it's exciting, 67 right now. maybe 1st of all is the way in which of these private israeli and other cybersecurity companies have been able to sell their advanced cyber technology to countries around the world and put in many authoritarian countries has many of these countries. countries are able to use this advance of spyware on their own citizens, particularly with respect to political dissidents. and those engaged in critical journalism. that is a, a great breach of both the right to dissent, as well as the right to privacy. you know, 2nd, you know, it shows that there is virtually no oversight, at least with respect to these really government who has the issue export licenses to these companies, such as, and so to be able to send their spyware abroad. and as a huge gap with respect to that and perhaps suggest that there's been

a fair amount of collusion between the israeli government and these spyware companies. in sending this, sending the cyber security surveillance off to companies or israel wants to be able to, to nourish the relationship. but the 3rd big issue, which is the one that has really been covered by these revelations over the past several weeks, is that this, the cyber spyware was developed on the palestinian population over the last 3 and 4 decades. most of these israeli cybersecurity companies at their origins and what is called unit $8200.00, which is the military unit devoted to surveillance of the palestinian population. so what is used on palestinians today is used on world population to moral? well, obviously the so group denies any wrong doing and says what it's doing is trying to create a peaceful entity from well with the visual editor. thank you. my pleasure. after

the break, we ask international human rights. and if the car, what's driving the global fear of muslim planet, all this coming up about to have going underground pop quiz procession is 0 time in length. what do you call that? what is that word? it's called communism right? only in communism with our state run countries, they have no recession, but they also have no way for anybody to have a life rather than being a slave. so okay, that's where america, that is oh right now, there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or obese. it's profitable to sell food that is fancy and sugary and healthy and addicted. not at the individual

level. it's not individual well our and if we go on believing that never change, that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment, ah, what's driving the reason for them? it's corporate. mm. the welcome back and bought one. we talked to a u. n. special realtor about legible crimes committed against, predominantly, but by no means exclusively occupied palestinian muslims ever since. 911, the so called war against islam has been arguably waged against the one point. 9000000000 muslims of the world will. joining me now from washington, d. c. is around if the car international human rights and author of the new book, fear of a muslim planet, global as i'm

a phobia in the new world order. thanks so much for coming on, you know, in british t v or we see, or when it comes from wisdom is arguably migrant arriving from countries that have been intervened. in predominantly, most of the ones tell me about fear of a muslim planet. well, personally, i've seen it actually the 1st play on the very same. it's 1990 rap album fear of a black planet by public enemy. and really what it does, it's really the heart of a lot of what we're seeing in terms of modern, it's on the phobia today with the pharmacists or other conservative governments in the west. you know, basically saying that we are going to be taken over by brown with some interest again and replacing the theory that waited in many parts of the world today. that is leading to, you know, genocide levels of another and them around the world. but it's arguably working. do

you think these decades of, i suppose what you'd call propaganda, let alone the laws in so called liberal countries like the urban union. and canada saying, yes, absolutely. i mean, if you look at the right sort of right wing entrenched nationalism all over the world, whether it's marine france or victor, oregon in under your advisor than another land, or donald trump. i here in the united states, you know, we've, we've seen this describe the growing up nationalism which in many cases, perpetuated and sort of exacerbated by a, by white supremacists, narratives about you know, brown and black people coming to take over, you know, the majority ideas and so that's what i always like. i like that, you know, even though i write about it on the, when it comes to sort of the other, i think human beings are going to turn it going. actually a biblical term. it's been around since time immemorial from the book of leviticus to show that we are the human race of always to blame other people for all of the ideals. and even though it might be today,

it's going to be somebody tomorrow with somebody else yesterday. and that's why it's important for us to dallas, against them wherever you forgot russia as well, which also has a lot similar to the one used to be in britain that promotion of gay rights. but i mean them, arguably, as for liberal identity, politics is, do you not think that most muslims, perhaps like most abrahamic, judy, jewish and christian believers. that what do you think of their attitudes to trans, right? l g, b, g q plus rights and, and women rights in terms of equality. you really think that most muslim support l g b t q plus rights money. i think most, most definitely do in terms of protecting the, you know, civil and human rights of all people. but again, that sort of getting back into the sort of the, the time of the narrative, the me,

one people, the world that the most in the world and, you know, we don't conflate all christianity or all christians with, you know, some of the more orthodox teaching christianity and so i'm trying to see that we're, you know, we mustn't are as diverse as everyone else. you know, when you talk about racial profiling and listens in the west, it laughable because obviously represent every color of the rainbow. you know, here in the united states, for example, one 4th of american muslims are african americans have been there. ships came over the 151600. we have a 4th that are arrows again, more and more people in our world. wrongfully could conflate with that being arrows are being one of the, of a 3rd of the american was that are from the agents of continent and then you know, in europe and let you know as well. and so again, the purpose of the book is again to show that, you know, the irrational fear of, you know, in our case, you know, muslims coming to take over western societies. it has, you know, obviously,

you know, the historical claims that you know, do the worldwide jewish conspiracy or the black folks are brown for latino folks are coming to take over the united states. and so we have to look at it in terms of, of anti racism globally fastest growing religion here. i thought a slam, but i mean, i do want to sound like steve been and i'm not bidding for a job in terms 2024 cabinet. but you don't think that there is an attitude amongst elite and i want to bring the class dimension here that these white working class fundamentalist christians of the americans out there all the, there's a kind of prejudice against them. why? i think it all comes from, you know, misinformation, a lack of information. you know, obviously when you, when you look at any sort of demographic group, you know, where they are, who willingly homophobic those white christians in the midwest. polls show and polls about muslims that they have use on l. g. b t q writes,

not the same as those metropolitan areas. a class is the correlation here, right? but i answered your question 2 question to go. what i'm trying to get out is again, that 70 percent of white republican voters in the united states say that they don't know them. and so when you look at 16 or 17 republican presidential candidate to really try to sort of out of each other with down from saying that you want to complete and total muslims from coming into the united states. people like ted cruz and ben carson said that they wouldn't allow muslims, or even hindus to come federal judges here in the united states, saying that sure yet from the moral effect, the united states, even though our because the constitution states that no other law can be can do supreme love the land. so again, if, if pandering to a lack of education with information that we've seen. and again, it's something that we've seen for the last decade here in the united states, obviously with the immigration to be with latino, that hispanic time in memorial from the beginning of history, with the african american community. if you read to them, not only right now,

but again the over the 20th century with henry ford and obviously the holocaust and japanese internment, 140000 you have thrown in german camps. so again, this is the next chapter of the to the united states. and many was a good one could make the point that it is these countries nature nation countries that have often supported arguably muslim groups in muslim nations. there we'd love to validation, having joe biden is referred to them previously of the supporting financially. certainly those linked to our kinder in isis dash. obviously the majority in enough canister more recently in this area is, is this missing the point that actually, these western nations have been terribly proved, a particular type of muslim? because what they want is fights between different brands of islam in the muslim world. well, i mean if you look at the reason the, i mean us support,

you know that the muslim majority countries on earth, it's really been for the anti democratic body, authoritarian regimes that are cracking down on their own, on their own electric stores. the united states in the west, i really cited with whoever is most convenient for them, but again, i think it can cannot be underscored enough that everything, everything today in terms of american it was the policy towards the muslim world, the greater muslim world. it's towards more toward more democratic, more authoritarian and teens, and that's having a huge impact as well. i mean again the in my book, i'm not only highlighting western and white, it's on the for the i'm also highlighting eastern family. we have a 1000000 listings in internment camps in china. we have me on mar and yet with a 1000000 of them who've been pushed into a new one that we have india with the right thing. rise and afford during lurch and they're in there monday and all of his time with them. so again,

this is not something that it's supposed to wait for in the west, but again, it's metastasize in many part of the leading to genocide levels. obviously me and me are and moody publicly deny. deny that you mentioned a 1000000 in internment camps in gene jang. where do you get that figure from a 2018 human rights watch report united nations or words? again, i can spend an entire interview going over that when i'm trying to show again, is that part of a global problem? right. a lot of folks say, well, you know, it's only happening in the west point waco, beans or americans are doing it. no, it's a problem for all of us, just like google racism in any of any stripe is a problem and the human right for something that we should all be got. again, you know, the human rights watch report was based on testimony from sources that have been widely discredited. in fact, by evangelical christians, we've had on this program. people talk exactly about that. doesn't that destroy your case?

because what you're actually doing in this book is to is to talk about islam in a non, as a non threatening revolutionary ideology against current neo liberal norms. you talk about donna karen's, are a mango offering clothes for a particular class of muslim. that is more modest. don't you really want to turn islam into a thought of friendly capitalism, friendly religion rather than actually as regards supporting what is fundamental, the abrahamic religions which is a, which is a love of people that is a very conflicting question that doesn't even really make any sense what i've tried to do is i'm trying to humanize farm and look one to about majority of the world that has exposure to them, right? again, if you look at, you know, 22nd. but if you look at, you know, if you look at the images of all skin beard, beer didn't look men and women covered in hollywood movies and tv shows and,

you know, and then i didn't use gas. that's what's leading to a lot of the summer for me that we see today because of the fact again, the most people, when you don't have exposure to anything, you're going to make your decisions about the on the narrative that you are. barton has been on a daily basis. and so again, i think it's important for people on of all different, especially those who look like don't believe like us or from different part of the world. but again, it's important for us to understand in a global context, you know, or global village is shrinking on a daily basis. and it's important for us to understand the things that happened world way can have an impact on it also. and again, it's important for us to get out of our entrenchment. and so to look at things from more humanistic leader, the leads do have things to fear about rather than a muslim planet, a revolutionary abrahamic planet. we knew about the great revolutionary catholicism and latin america that fought against the u. s. power structures in the military

industrial complex. we know that islamic fighters in yemen, fighting in the world's worst humanitarian crisis against the military industrial complex, as seen by the pentagon, say you not taking away some of the power of abraham a religion to be able to fight elite power. i mean, 1st i don't understand your shorthand of elite, i don't know what that means, but when i'm, when i'm seeing that, yeah, there are issues here, but again, get, look at go from different context. we can conflate, you know, you know, 186 countries on the earth, 57 with most of the majority, wants to cherry pick and pick one or 2 isolated countries as indicative of a global trend is actually part of part of the same problem. again, you know, we don't, we don't want, you know, we don't want white people those because the versions on brown folks, i can see sort of like a general edition and a lot of the framework questions that are sort of address that same sort of millionaires. i'm trying to do that, you know, everybody is

a human being. we all have different countries in the west, palm and europe with different than if i'm in the middle east or south asia. we're in australia and we're leaving out. you can globally lead and the monolithic entity does not want to get to these anywhere in the world. and that's part of the, the book is to show that, you know, there is no, you know, monolithic entities. and so, because of that, we look at things for the fact as opposed to sort of trying to catch the version, you know, in blanket generalization. sam africa. thank you. my pleasure. thank you. that's have the show back on monday to investigate class war in a cornish fishing village in the bath to winning film bait until then keep it, try social media and let us know if you think the so called mainstream media is unfair. and it's reporting of muslim

ah the ah, the lawful protest raging in france for a 3rd weekend straight people venting their fury at coast health and a mandatory vaccination. the french are also angry over what they see on taunt and cordial, cordial understanding of the frogs becomes the only e u. country not exempt from corona virus florentine rules in the u. k. we are the people in pirates for their thoughts on the move thing. it's political, it's nothing else has anything to do with reality myers. i do think that it's, it's pretty ridiculous. they shouldn't single out certain countries over other